Britain Total War

[RTW King]

This MOD would be set in Roman times in Britain, Ireland and Northern France. The factions would be mainly British tribes who fight each other to gain lands, but at the same time must unite to stand a chance against the huge invading Roman armies.

Three Generals from the Julii Family control lands in northern France, after just having conquered the Gauls. These Generals command vast armies, and are rewarded with further reinforcements for completing missions given by the Julii Family. The British Tribes must unite to defend themselves against these mighty Roman armies.

This MOD would be a big project, but it's only the second I've ever made (my realism MOD will soon be up for download in RTW Heaven). I can research, and change units stats and discriptions. I would need a lot of help with unit graphics and things like that, as I don't have 3dsmax. So, if your able to help, please tell me as soon as possible.

[RTW King]

Sorry, I'm new to this site. I didn't realise this part was just for mods in development.

[RTW King]

Or are ideas supposed to go here to?

I'm very confused. ~:confused:

[Sundjata Keita]

Blame the moderators ;) Lots of people post ideas here too, mainly in the hopes of getting a team together so development can begin, so don't worry, you posted in the right place. If you have an idea but have no intention of actually making the mod yourself post in the general modding forum. The unwritten laws of the org...

Regards,

Sundjata Keita

[RTW King]

I do want to help with this MOD. I can do research and stats and descriptions and all the boring stuff like that. I do know how to MOD stuff like this I've done it before (its my realism MOD it should be ready to put up for download in RTW Heaven fairly soon). I would just need a couple of people to help with stats and stuff like that, and a few modelers and skinners aswell.

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[Ianofsmeg16]

I can edit Provinces, unit names and faction names....what tribes will you be including?
will you be including the isle of man? cos i know alot bout our history and would be of some service

[RTW King]

Yeah, the Isle of Man will be included.

I'm in the middle of doing research for the tribes right now :book: , I'll tell you whatever I get later today. I'm also making a website for this mod, the link is in my signature.

[RTW King]

OK, I've pretty much got the British tribes sorted out. Go to my website (in my signature) and see them. The annoying thing is, because its a free website builder I'm using, I can only right the info for 7 of the tribes due to a paragraph limit :furious3: . I'll see if I can do anything about it. Anyway, have a look at what I've got and tell me what you think.

[Ianofsmeg16]

OK, I've pretty much got the British tribes sorted out. Go to my website (in my signature) and see them. The annoying thing is, because its a free website builder I'm using, I can only right the info for 7 of the tribes due to a paragraph limit :furious3: . I'll see if I can do anything about it. Anyway, have a look at what I've got and tell me what you think.
looks good! maybe you should include a map of where the tribes will be

[RTW King]

I'll try. Theres a website you can look at, I'll get a link for it once I find it again.

[Ianofsmeg16]

i looked at your site...the manx celts were of a completely different culture to the mainland celts and, if you cannot include them as a faction, at least give them units you can only recruit in the isle of man (or Ynys Manau, main town Balley Cashtal)

[RTW King]

I've added the map to the Factions list bit.

[RTW King]

I've also got some information on the basic units on the website. I'll need help researching this I can't find much information.

[King of Atlantis]

many unit models that could be used for this mod will probably be in BI.

[RTW King]

I've added lots of ideas for units to the site. Tell me what you think about them.

[Agraes]

You may ask the First Triumvate team, they plan to make a lot of differents mods on each period of Roman history, we work with them for Gallia : Total War, I think it will be interesting to collaborate.

Ask them on the forum :
http://www.rometotalrealism.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=9&sid=a7478d69085218bc8a730942daf0a311

You may also ask Ranika who know a lot of things on the Celts (he works with the EB team but he help others modders like the Age of Vikings and Fanatics team or my other mod project Arthurian : Total War). He will give you historically accurate units (not Kerns or Gallowglasses).

[kingwill]

hi rtw king. i have been working on a britain total war mod for quite some time. its a bit different, concentrating on scotland england and wales and only having a single roman faction which starts in the very south east of england. if you can't get a team together it would be great if you would help with my mod.

map_heights

https://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/kingwill/map_heights.bmp

[RTW King]

I'm going to see if I can get a team together. If you want to help, tell me and I'll put your name on the team bit of my website (link in signature). Modelers and skiners are in particular required.

[RTW King]

Does this sound OK for the proper name for this mod:

Britannia: Romanorum Incursio (means roughly Britain: Roman Invasion)

[Ianofsmeg16]

sounds great, btw, is there anything i can do for you....i can chage the shape/position/names of provinces, change the names of factions/units/towns...and i can edit the camp map a little e.g. little islands or adding onto the land

[RTW King]

It would be great if you would join the mod team and help get it started. I'll put news and stuff on the mod team part of the website. So, do you want to officially join the team?

[Ianofsmeg16]

yeah sure!
BTW Looked at your units and a couple of things....Welsh Bowmen? are you going to keep that name? cos Wales as a country didnt exist until the saxons came and called the Wealhas(sp??) and the manx were also famous for their use of heavy cavalry so add another unit on.....and what jobs can you do? cause i can only do basic camp map work so i may need a guy to help me do the map and i can make any little changes that you feel needs to be done

[kingwill]

the main tribes of wales were the silures, dementae and ordovices (which included the segontaci, deceangi and cornovii)

please dont include Pict Crossbowmen this is a unit taken from viking invasion and is totally stupid for the time period. and also reneame hobilars to something more appropriate. also no phalanxes.

[RTW King]

EB gave Spearmen to a British tribe, and they formed a phalanx.
Also, ian of smeg, do you want to use the pic in my signature for yours. I'm making an improved one, and it might help recruit for the modding team.

[Ranika]

I PMed you some stuff, and the phalanx in EB is a fill in for a shieldwall. I PMed you all my main complaints with your unit list, foremost being the huge inaccuracies of your 'Hibernian' units (you have all dark/middle age units there).

[RTW King]

Those units were just ideas, nothing is definate. I wan't sure about Pict Crossbows and the Irish units.

Oh and Ian of Smeg, I'll add your Manx Cav and fix the Bowmen. Go to the Mod Team part of the site for any news.

[kingwill]

are you going to give the barbarian factions catapults?

[RTW King]

Would it be historically accurate?

[kingwill]

no idea, i was asking for my mod. On one hand i wouldnt think so historically, except for the southern factions perhaps, but on the other there is a big disadvantage for the factions that can't get them.

[RTW King]

For my mod I was thinking to reducing the city levels of Romans to 3 to match barbarians, and maybe only make Palisades and Wood Walls available. I'm not sure, but I don't think Romans built stone walls around thier towns and cities in Britain much. If Romans got stone walls in the game, it would be practically impossible for the tribes to get by them. BTW, what kind of units are you using in your mod. You can check mine in the website (my signatures mucked up right now, go to www.freewebs.com/britaintw).
:rtwno: :charge: :wall: :duel: :knight: :knight: :knight: :knight:

[RTW King]

Sorry, its www.freewebs.com/britaintw

[kingwill]

im going to set myself up a website soon, perhaps tonight if i can be bothered and ill put all the planned units and screenshots of the finished ones there.

[Ianofsmeg16]

RTW king, can i get the picture for my sig, thanks.

[RTW King]

I'm not quite finished it yet, but I'll try and send you it sometime today. I don't have a clue how to. How did you get the EB Casse link for your sig?

I've still to make the pic a link for my website, and I might give it a different coloured background.

[Agraes]

You may give stone wall to the Romans but also to the Celts. We have in project for Gallia : Total War to make oppida wall (mixed stone and wood). You may do the same.

Check our units for Gallia : TW also, it will give you some ideas (thought insular Celts may looks like more 'savages', for the Northern Tribes, with tatooes and this kind of stuff).

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=48638

[RTW King]

Thats a great idea for the wood and stone walls. Thanks.

And BTW everyone, I'm still looking for people to join the mod team here.

[RTW King]

ian of smeg16, I just got a trial of a programme that allows me to make way better sigs, I'll have it ready by some time tomorrow.

[Ianofsmeg16]

okay, cheers....am i still the only guy on the mod team?

[RTW King]

yeah. If your the leader of AJC, could you recommend this mod to the members or something?

[King of Atlantis]

Hes the leader of our legions not the whole thing ~;)

I could try to help with historical research...

[Ianofsmeg16]

Thanks for blowing my cover Atlantis!! ~;) We already have most of our historical work done(going on the website) we could use stuff on the regions
See if any other AJC members want to help!!

[King of Atlantis]

We really need a modller on the ajc who has do whatever units the other member tells him. ~:)

[Ianofsmeg16]

complete control...MWAHAHAHAHA! yeah i'll ask the members to see if they want to help, not now though, i have to go to school in a few minutes

[King of Atlantis]

btw, these two britain mods should merge. If both of you need modllers then you probably wont get them, trust me their hard to get.

[RTW King]

ian of smeg16, why are you going to school in the middle of the summer holidays? Mine started almost a fortnight ago.

[RTW King]

King of Atlantis, do you want to officialy join the mod team?
It might end up merging with the other B:TW if they want to.

[RTW King]

BRILLIANT NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just got 3dsmax7!!!!!!!!!

I'll have a go at modelling some of the units myself now. Don't expect brilliant results though I've never done this before.

[Ianofsmeg16]

ian of smeg16, why are you going to school in the middle of the summer holidays? Mine started almost a fortnight ago.
WHAT THE F**K!!!! WERE OFF FROM THE 27TH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh yeah we have two weeks off for the TT races...hahahaha lol

[Ianofsmeg16]

Btw, 3dsmax is hard...I dl a trial version and i couldnt get the hang of it, its gud that your on summer hols therefore you have the time...

[RTW King]

BTW, your sig only leads to imageshack. And is anyone from AJC interested in joining the mod team.

[RTW King]

And do you think the sig looks professional enough, compared to EB-Casse and stuff like that?

[Ianofsmeg16]

yeah it looks good....what we could do is put the faction icons into different sigs andhave a sig or every faction like EB or RTR...faction icons, theres something we need to think about

[RTW King]

I was goin to do that later on.

[RTW King]

ian, I've asked the other Britiain TW leader if he wanted to merge mods with ours, as we seem to be struggling to get members. Is that alright?

[King of Atlantis]

King of Atlantis, do you want to officialy join the mod team?
It might end up merging with the other B:TW if they want to.


Well, i cant really do all that much, im learning to skin though, but i could do research if you need any.

[RTW King]

Thats fine, so do you want to officially join the mod team (we might merge with other Britain TW, is that OK?)

[King of Atlantis]

alright

[Ianofsmeg16]

ian, I've asked the other Britiain TW leader if he wanted to merge mods with ours, as we seem to be struggling to get members. Is that alright?
Sounds good, do they have much done? oh yeah, welcome Atlantis, iof you want, you ccould research towns and provinces for us?

[RTW King]

It great to see the mod development picking up pace at last.

I don't know how the other Britain TW modders are getting on, I PMed their leader and asked.

[King of Atlantis]

okay ill start looking up towns and provinces.


This site has all the major tribes and their cities.

http://www.roman-britain.org/_tribes.htm

[RTW King]

Thats the site I used for the tribes

[kingwill]

yeh that site has some nice maps, and also lists of the tribal kings.

[RTW King]

BTW, are our mods merging?

[Barbarian King]

nm..

[RTW King]

nm..

What do you mean? Are you part of the other BTW team?

[Ianofsmeg16]

how is your attempt at moddleing going RTW King? i've asked the guys on the AJC to help, a couple seemed interested, maybe they'll post here...

[RTW King]

I'm struggling so far. I was looking at a Archers like in the guide in a thread here somewhere, but I haven't figured out how to do much yet. Have you started working on the campaign map yet?

[RTW King]

And BTW, your sig leads to imageshack, not the website.

[Ianofsmeg16]

how do i make it lead to the website?

[Duke Malcolm]

Good day, folks. My comrade in the AJC, noble knight and commander of the Legions, has asked if I can assist here. So, what can I do for you (although it cannot be too much, since I go on holiday this Friday).

[RTW King]

So, do you officially want to join the team?
Can you model or skin or make unit cards or anything like that?
If not, can you research buildings and tech trees for the tribes. Click on my sig to find out the units were using.

[RTW King]

BTW everyone, I just PMed Barocca to ask if we can get a section in Hosted Mods for Britannia: Romanorum Incursio.

[Duke Malcolm]

I'm not exactly skilled at modelling, but I can skin, and, whilst never having tried, I have an idea about how one does unit cards.

I shall try some research, and some skinning tomorrow

[RTW King]

Thanks, so I presume your an official member now?

[King of Atlantis]

RTW King, that map i gave you/ you already had, had all the major cities, so now all we have to do is place them in their right spot.

[Ianofsmeg16]

Guys, i'm going to be away from today until teusday, so i wont be able to get any work done on the map (it's a shame, i was going to try today). RTW King, could you pm me a picture of the map your going to useduring the course of the weekend , it could just be a pic of the British Isles but i need something to go on.
Thank you and i'll try and get some work done on teusday!

[RTW King]

OK, I've got an outline map. I'm not sure how to PM with an image. If I don't get it to you by this afternoon my brother'll show me how to do it tonight.

[RTW King]

How is everyone getting on with the research and stuff?

BTW everyone, we're still looking for help so please join the team!

[King Ragnar]

This mod looks promising, i will help you guys with some reseach when i have time but im not promising that i will be able produce loads.

[RTW King]

Thanks. When you have time, could you research British gods for the temples?

[King Ragnar]

Ok one question is this for RTW or are you waiting got BI??

[RTW King]

This is just for RTW

[King Ragnar]

This is just for RTW

ok will start some research later ~:)

[RTW King]

This is a list to give a rough idea of how big a team I think we'll need, and show whos doing what:

Unit Research:
- RTW King

Unit Stats/Descriptions:
- RTW King

Unit Modelling/Skinning:
- King Malcolm
- ?
- ?
- ?
- ?

Unit Cards/2D Graphics:
- King Malcolm
- ?
- ?

Building Research:
- RTW King
- King Ragnar

Building Editing:
- ?
- ?

Building Graphics:
- ?
- ?
- ?
- ?

Campaign Map Research:
- King of Atlantis

Campaign Map Editing:
- ian of smeg16
- ?
- ?

Other:
- whoevers willing or has time

This is just a rough guide for justnow

[RTW King]

Thanks to Ranika for the info on these Goidil gods
Tell me what you think of these ideas for the Goidils Temples:

Dagda (creator of universe)
Lv.1) +10% order due to law
Lv.2) +15% order due to law, +2 morale
Lv.3) +20% order due to law, +4 morale, enables training of Hammermen

Llyr (demigod and herioc warrior)
Lv.1) +10% order due to happiness
Lv.2) +15% order due to happiness, melee weapons +1
Lv.3) +20% order due to happiness, melee weapons +2, ranged weapons +1

Morrigan (goddess of death and fertility, Dagda's wife)
Lv.1) +0.5% growth, +5% public health
Lv.2) +1.0% growth, +10% public health
Lv.3) +1.5% growth, +15% public health

[King Ragnar]

I can also help with the unit research and stuff like that

[Ianofsmeg16]

Hi guys, I'm back from my trip to england....so RTW king, do you want to just include Briain and ireland? or do you want to include some of gaul? cos i'll google up a map of modern britain and france to go on...

[RTW King]

I'll look for a map and send you it straight away. BTW, what do you think of the guide to the clan modding team (a couple of posts up the page). And do you like the ideas for the Goidils (Irish) Temples?

[Incongruous]

Hi guys.
I'm from The Age of Vikings and Fanatics: Total War team.
I have quite a bit of info on your time period laying about from when I thought that our MOD was in an earlier time period. If you like I could post some of it for you.
Mostly its weapon and armour info. ~D

[RTW King]

Yeah, thanks, that would be great.

[King Ragnar]

If you were looking for a forum i know a site that could host this you guys. Should i ask them if they would host this mod?

[Incongruous]

Ok, If you PM me your ideas for units and such it will make my helping you much quicker and easier.

[Ranika]

Llyr should be Lugh. Llyr was a Briton name (there were several depending on the local tradition and dialect) for Lugh.

[Ianofsmeg16]

How about this for a map we can use?
https://img30.imageshack.us/img30/4862/vcmap6jb.th.gif (https://img30.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vcmap6jb.gif)
Obviously the regions won't be the same, it will be larger and more of Gaul will be included

[RTW King]

I'd keep it as it is, just inclulde a little bit more of Gaul, enough to fit in 4 settlemements (for the 3 Roman Generals and Julii main).

[Ianofsmeg16]

kk now all i need is the regions....who was doin that?

[King of Atlantis]

I got all the cities, but now i got to find where they go on the map.

[RTW King]

King of Atlantis, you'll need to wait till ian_of_smeg finds out about the regions. Send him the info on cities so he can base his regions on them.

[RTW King]

How is everyone getting on with the mod?

[Ianofsmeg16]

I just need Atlantis to get back to me with Cities and i can get started on the map.
And Atlantis? dont worry about the Isle of Man town i already know it....

[RTW King]

BTW, do you want me to set up forums for this mod. I could get them set up by tomorrow.

[Ianofsmeg16]

That would be excellent, definatly

[RTW King]

I've made the mods first unit. ~:) I don't know how to post screenshots here, and I can't get Imageshack to work. Anyway, its a Pict Cavalry, and its basically a mounted Woad Warrior. It would be ideal for the tribes in Scotland.

[King of Atlantis]

Alright im compiling all the cities and im goignt to try to find their relative postition, should be done in a few days, but Ian you should just make a couple big regions to start with and then I can fill you in with the details.

[Ianofsmeg16]

Yeah, i can do that ok

[RTW King]

BTW, could one of you'ze (how are you supposed to spell that?), send me the file:

data, world, maps, campaign, imperial_campaign, descr_strat

I've been an idiot and lost the backup files when I was editing it. :embarassed: Perhaps you could put it on the download section of RTW Heaven. I won't have acess to the internet for the next few days. It would be great if you sent me it as I can't do the campaign. :furious3:

Thanks anyway. ~:cheers:

[King of Atlantis]

Hey guys, my computer was down for a couple days(i to use a very SLOW one) and i lost the time i could have done the cities. My time is going to be very limited in the next week too. I might be able to help later, but i really cant help much for atleast a week.

[RTW King]

Does anyone look at this anymore? hows everyone getting on with the mod?

[RTW King]

Someone Pleae Reply!!!!

[Ianofsmeg16]

I'm just working on the map_heights and map_regions file now. But it's going to take a while because this is only my second go t making a new map.

[dragoon]

As a guide, the Romans didn't start building walls until after the Boudicca uprising.
As for 'Celtic' Gods there is a good basis in this site: http://www.pantheon.org/areas/mythology/europe/celtic/articles.html

Also in the Iron age/early Roman period many of the defensive structures in the north were made of stone. Nearly all buildings were round house based.
Hill fort size tended to be bigger in Southern England, while Western England tended to have mainly defended/Walled Enclosures.

Hill forts also appear in the Welsh hills, and drop into enclosures again the further into the south west you go.

Maiden castle is MUST...at least if it is possible to mod such a structure.
As a side note, I worked in a dig in the Cambrian mountains, at this cistercian abbey, and there were Bronze and Iron age hillforts on opposite hills...looking across the valley at each other. You should also note that the majority of hill forts have had no real survey work done, so you can have quite a bit of artistic liscence on them ( except for the round house thing ).

Sorry for a long post, but would love to see the mod completed.