New mtw icons for .org?

[Kraellin]

i realized that these shld go in the mtw forum rather than the stw/we/mi forum, so here they are:

http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/saladin-k-1.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/henry-k-1.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/generic-k-1.gif

http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/knight-k-1.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/princess-k-1.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/spearman-k-1.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/eventspre-k-1.gif

these were taken from pics on .com, cropped, enhanced and i had borders on them as well, but goofed on that part, so i'll have to fix those up later, maybe.

as far as i know they are all copyrighted by creative assembly.

the original artwork is quite impressive. i was particuarly impressed by some unfinished line drawings of various riders on horses. i've been working with a couple of those to try and turn them into icons for use here, but it's a LOT trickier than the above ones, so they may come later. we'll see. :)

folks, these are just submissions to the .org personnel for their use in the .org, if they want them. if not, well ok.

oops. just tried to post this and got a message that i've exceeded the maximum limit for images per post. limit is apparently 8. not sure how i got 10 or 12 or whatever it was over in the we/mi forum then. lol. anyways, i'm removing 3 of these and i'll post them later on.

allright, this is pissing me off now. removed the 3 and i'm still getting that message.

K.


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[Papewaio]

Sweet! Choice! Cool! Keep em comming http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Schultzy]

Hi chaps.

I had a go at making a few as well. Cropped from MTW artwork I found on IGN.
I'm not sure they're up to the standard of Kraellin's above but, here we go. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p506215c7c78d86cdd8e8269deea284f9/fd67b7d1.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/pbc05f3715173165570b043f73bc617d4/fd67b7d0.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p8062535a1912ee84b541c68b34717da6/fd67b7cf.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p42df724511862263932f7a4144698fc5/fd67b7ce.jpg


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"Jetzt ist der Winter unserer Rabattpreiszelten."

[Kraellin]

whelp. couldnt sleep, so here's a few more.

http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/mtw-k-1.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/mtw2-k-1.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/mtw3-k-1.gif

http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/mtw5-k-1.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/mtw6-k-1.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/mtw7-k-1.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/mtw8-k-1.gif

damn, this image limit is annoying.

K.


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[Hirosito]

nice! some of those are right grim looking. schultzy yours are just a bit blurred apart fromthat excellent

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Hirosito Mori

Hirosito the Baptist of the Babbiest Babe Thread.

Gentile or Jew
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.

[Itonami]

Yea nice job Krae and Schultzy, they look great

[Toda Nebuchadnezzar]

damn cool. Schultzy's first pic could definately be used as a no. of posts pic for everyone. It looks very good. Just try upgrade the detail a bit perhaps Krae can do that for you.

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Jaguara-Spoken like a TRUE SPAMMER Toda!

No Fear Legend.

[NagatsukaShumi]

I like all the icons, if I ever had one I'd prefer one of those drawings to be one of the skecthes, they just look good I feel.

[Kurando]

Excellent finds K^2.

I'll tell you m8, we had to make a lot of consessions over the years because we had to add borders to all the icons; the difference between what you can do in 44x44 with a border and 50x50 without a border is more profound than most people realize + making a custom icon in 44x44 is like writing on the head of a pin sometimes...

-It looks like for better or worse the borders are being phased out now though + I often think that if I'd only made the first batch 75x75 how much more we could have accomplished with the extra elbow room.

[Schultzy]

Thanks for all the great comments chaps!

Yeah, I know they've turned out a little bit on the blurry side, sadly it happened during the resizing.
I'm working with Hypersnap as my only Graphics editor, http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/eek.gif since my PSP7 30 day trial ran out.....a loooong time ago. lol

But, i've gone back and had a fiddle, tried to get the first one looking better, also had a go at a couple of others.
If you like them, please feel free to use em, fiddle with them to get them looking better etc etc.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p061a0b1450c0e58fa47846e8c1adf9d3/fd679255.jpg http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p79806c7b5c399b043dc82b120fae3ca2/fd679253.jpg http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p9f2e180eda8f139933618dfc463b0938/fd679252.jpg

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"Jetzt ist der Winter unserer Rabattpreiszelten."

[theforce]

I would like the icon of "Constantinou Palaiologoi" plz aka the last emperor of the Byzantium http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

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http://www.dedicatedgaming.com/~angelsofdarkness

[Stephen Hummell]

I'd like the saladin one or El Cid.

[Toda Nebuchadnezzar]

I want doesn't get...well at least thats what I was taught.

I think these icons are for general ORG use not personalised ones.

But you guys have the right idea.

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Jaguara-Spoken like a TRUE SPAMMER Toda!

No Fear Legend.

[Kraellin]

thanks guys :)

and nice work, schultzy. i recognize those pics ;)

k-man...44x44? ugh. tough enough at 50x50. i hadnt realized you made some of the first icons for the .org. cool. which ones did you do? post em?

and what's with this 8 image limit in this forum? i posted 12 in the we/mi forum without any problem, but in there i'm limited to 8 per post and my own personal icon seems to count as 1 of them, so i can only post 7 new ones at a time.

anyways, more coming later on.

K.


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[Emp. Conralius]

hmmmm.........I'de like one of El Cid or Sulieman the Magnificent....

[Kraellin]

here's a few more.

http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/spy-k-1.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/mtw4-k-1.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/manuel-1.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/knight-1.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/joan-k-1.gif

i'm also going to post some of the original art and transition pictures that got me from the original to the final versions. but that's all for now.

K.


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[This message has been edited by Kraellin (edited 08-14-2002).]

[Kraellin]

these are a couple of the original art works i pulled off the .com site. i am in awe of the person that does these. i've always loved black and white line drawings. i had a friend that could do these free-hand and it always flabbergasted me how she could capture each important feature and line of a person's face in such remarkable clarity with just a series of lines.

i'll post the original art on a line and then 1 or 2 of the transition pieces i did in order to render them into icons. these were a LOT harder to do than the full color icons. many more stages to put things through to get a final product.

and shld the original artist see these, i can only hope he/she takes no offense at my alterations of this work. my only reason for doing this was to make something that would show up a little better when reduced down to the sizes used for the icons. i have nothing but respect for the original work and the artist.

the original:
http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/c6.bmp

the transition:
http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/c6-k-1.bmp

the original:
http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/c3.bmp

the transitions:
http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/c3-k-2.bmp http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/c3-k-3.bmp

if for any reason, CA, or the original artist objects to these being here, i'll remove them immediately. the same goes with kuma. say the word and they're gone.

K.


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[MagyarKhans Cham]

jeeez u really upload bitmaps?

and what are the flies around that person?

[Sir Kuma of The Org]

Thank you guys. I have added them to my Org icon folder. Maybe some of them will made to generic icon, that is if you don't mind that we use your work http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

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What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger

[theforce]

They are not giving me my icon...
Admiral...
Prepare the landing troops.

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I cannot return l presume so l will keep my name among those who are dead by bows!
http://www.dedicatedgaming.com/~angelsofdarkness

[Kurando]

Quote i hadnt realized you made some of the first icons for the .org. cool. which ones did you do? post em?[/QUOTE]

I pretty much did all the icons except for the force, soly, Jag, and kocmoc (and anything without a border that has shown-up recently). The rare ones are listed here (http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/Forum6/HTML/002431.html).

P.S. I did not do Shuko or the The S:TW League on the rare list.

[Ii Naomasa]

Excellent choices and making of the icons, Krae & Shultzy. It does sadden me to think the samurai ones are going away (being naturally quite partial to them), but change is inevitable.

Perhaps when a Shogun II comes out in 2015, I'll have eventually worked my way up in post counts. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

Kurando-dono, I do have to applaud your past work. I never thought about just how small the icons were. Having done icon/button/otherwise-tiny graphic work for a programing friend of mine, I was nearly driven insane by trying to work in such small confines, whether I start off the small originally or work larger and then try to make a shrunken version look good.

Anyway, great work all around by both.

[Hirosito]

yeah fabulous and schultzy's 2nd batch are lot better well done guys.

[Whitey]

how about ranks then? keep them the same?

[Kraellin]

thanks guys.

and kuma, feel free to use them, as far as i'm concerned. it's my contention that these still belong to CA and not me. the original art is all theirs. i'm just a forger ;)

and k-man, i dont know why yer out of the biz of making icons. you're obviously good at it. very professional stuff.

i also went browsing last night for more medieval art work. only this time i went outside of the game stuff to actual medieval art sites. quite an eye-opener. there's tons of stuff out there.

K.


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[Kraellin]

couldnt resist doing a few more. some of these are from the game sites and one is one that soly posted in OT and i *gasp* tampered with and there's a couple off those medieval art sites i mentioned.

http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/woman10.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/fem-warrior1-k-1.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/knight3-k-1.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/kraemedi-k-1.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/praying-joan-k-1.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/serf1-k-1.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/warrior1-k-1.gif

K.


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[This message has been edited by Kraellin (edited 08-16-2002).]

[NARF]

http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/cool.gif his helmet is really really shiny

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What is it that makes a complete stranger dive into an icy river to save a solid gold baby? Maybe we'll never know.

[FasT]

Nice work to all http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

[JulioIP]

Great work guys.

[Loras]

wow, these are great, i want the screamy guy on the end there. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

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-All knowledge is worth having-

[FasT]

More http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif FasT is collecting these in his picture Folder http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

[Sir Kuma of The Org]

Now open in the focus forum:

An open discussion about the orgs icon policy, what should it be with the release of MTW.

Speak now or forever hold your tongue.

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What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger

[Kraellin]

bump! just because i'm a vain old fart :)

K.


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[solypsist]

nice work Krae. I just sent in the icons that will probably be used once the site switches over. If you (Krae only)email me, I'll attach them and you can have a look over. They're within the accepted size/restrictions, but no longer square. Just to get things going: the Mod icons are all religious heads.


[This message has been edited by solypsist (edited 08-27-2002).]

[Kraellin]

soly,
you have mail.

K.


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[solypsist]

got yer mail, Krae. Check the mods forum for a look at what's in development.
BTW, there may still be some graphics up for grabs (ie. little images used throughout the main-page links)

[Kraellin]

cool beans :)

K.


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The only absolute is that there are no absolutes.

[Kraellin]

here's one i did made from 3 separage images from the game files. i call it "Desert Night"

http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/desert-night-k-1.gif

K.


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[This message has been edited by Kraellin (edited 08-29-2002).]

[solypsist]

LOL
wow! it almost looks like a screenshot from an old Commodore 64 game
you should try Flash, and make it an animation

[Kraellin]

too grainy, soly? (the reference to the c-64) i havent played with animations in a while. i've only ever done one. i get too impatient with them. i suppose i could use the psp animation thing though. havent tried it yet. still trying to learn all the features of psp 7.

K.


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[Kas]

Cool new Icons!

I look like a beercan...

Kas http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Hosakawa Tito]

Whoa, I got to post this just to see what I look like.

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Diplomacy is the art of telling someone to go to hell so that they look forward to making the trip.


Same old me lol!

[This message has been edited by Hosakawa Tito (edited 08-29-2002).]

[Dwimmerlaik]

Mmmm.. these are medieval-icious!

[This message has been edited by Dwimmerlaik (edited 08-29-2002).]

[Lord Aeon]

These are very cool... "except i keep ending up as that damn white guy."

- Spawn



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"You have offended my family, and you have offended a Shaolin temple."

[JAG]

glad a still have my old icon http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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"...but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive,
and the other would accept war rather than let it perish,
and the war came."


Abraham Lincoln, 2nd Inaugural Address
4 March 1865

[DarthGuru]

Nice icons, once again great job by the .org, thanks!!

[Vlad The Impaler]

well nice icons http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif nice look; great job http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

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One sword to behead the white ruler sitting on the white throne in the Vatican.
One sword for the ruler who will come and unite us under the sign of the cross
with broken arms. Eleven swords to behead eleven lords and rulers of the land
united under the blue banner. A hundred swords to defend our southern
boundaries against black plague and half moon.
And one axe for me to defend my stronghold, and may I call this axe, "Bane of
Christendom" soon.

[Papewaio]

Not specific to the game but more to the entire site. So to OT where the icon master can decide what to do with it.

We may just play ping pong with the thread and bounce it between the forums... last one to touch it keeps it.

Who said Mods don't have a sense of humour.

Tag Jag and Soly you're it.

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Pape you're a disgrace. - NinjaKilla
Pape has the right idea. - Sir Kuma of The Org
Papewaio is right on the money. - Nelson
True Pape, so very True. - Barocca
Pape has it right./ As usual. - Minamoto Yoritomo / Sjakihata Akechi
Pape, Pape, Pape, naughty naughty naughty. - BigHairyDeal
Pape, have you been taking viagra with your evening milk and cookies? - NagatsukaShumi

[solypsist]

sorry Pap..this thread just hit the net. We already have a thread for icon comments etc. so this one is closed. Too bad,too, since Krae had some nice stuff in here..

[Jaguara]

It was requested by Kraelin and Cheetah that this thread be sent to the MODDING forum...so I have reopened it first, as requested...

Jaguara

[Kraellin]

thanks guys :)

K.


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The only absolute is that there are no absolutes.

[Cheetah]

http://cheetah_tw.tripod.com//sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/knight01b.jpg
http://cheetah_tw.tripod.com//sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/knight02a.jpg

doh, doesnt work ...


:-)
Does now
some feedback suggests Tripod may also be 'cutting' the calls unless you have the images in your cache
so i dregged them over to my site...
http://doragonbarocca.homestead.com/files/Cheetah1.jpg - http://doragonbarocca.homestead.com/files/Cheetah2.jpg
[This message has been edited by barocca (edited 08-31-2002).]

[This message has been edited by barocca (edited 08-31-2002).]

[barocca]

very nice by the way,


With Tripod Sites,
Build a webpage on your site displaying the images you want to link to,

then view the page and right click on the image,
then use that as the reference,

if you check your home page the link the image displays when you right click it may not be where it actually is in your file system over there
http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
(a neat trick of their's to minimise "hotlinking")

BTW
Cheetah are these free domain, or are they reserved for you?
(email me baroca_x@hotmail.com)

[This message has been edited by barocca (edited 08-31-2002).]

[Cheetah]

thx Barocca! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

[Kraellin]

those are excellent, cheetah. would you mind if i did a little highlighting on them and re-post them again here?

i've also been working on some others. i didnt really like how tera's came out, now that i see it more, so i cleaned that one up a bit. i tried with tosa's too, but not sure it's any better. and Fast, forgive me, but i tried with yours also. i'll remove it if you dont like it.

http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/mtw7-k-1e.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/TosaInu-k-1c.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/Fastcustom-k-1.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/Cardinal-k-1b.gif
http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/Image3-k-1a.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/c6-k-1e.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/bedouin-k-1a.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/mini-chick-1-k-1.gif

K.


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[This message has been edited by Kraellin (edited 09-01-2002).]

[solypsist]

so we got your thread down to just one copy on the forum? good....there was a doppelganger for a while...

[Hirosito]

fast's is really the odd one out there.

i haven't been around for a few days could someone please go over the new ranks and icons associated with them. i see that some have stayed from stw and the mods now have a huge variety of titles and icons. nice. now i'll see mine

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Hirosito Mori

Hirosito the Baptist of the Babbiest Babe Thread.

Gentile or Jew
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.

[Kraellin]

hehe, when i spam, soly, i REALLY spam :)

K.


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[Cheetah]

lol, Krae who is number 8? And who's gonna get this babe ... er I mean icon? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

BTW, of course you can work on those two icons of mine.

[Kraellin]

hehe, thought you guys might like that one :) no idea who gets it though ;)

ok, well here's the attempt on your icons. btw, did you do those from scratch or tweak them from an existing graphic?

http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/Cheetah1-k-1.jpg http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/Cheetah2-k-1.jpg

thanks, cheetah. i do like those.

K.


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[This message has been edited by Kraellin (edited 09-01-2002).]

[Kraellin]

soly,

i also made an attempt at yours. knowing your penchant for purpleish, i attempted to add that in as well. you realize, of course, that i'm secretly after your job at maxim, right? ;)

http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/solypsist-k-1e.gif

K.


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[solypsist]

yes! hopefully an Admin will see it and replace my purple-haze icon with this, much crisper Krae made icon (which probably contains spyware)

[Kraellin]

rofl. well, isnt that what that pic is all about, spying? ;)

K.


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The only absolute is that there are no absolutes.

[Kraellin]

bump, just cause i like doing these.

http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/patron2-k-1a.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/papewaio-k-1.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/jaguara-k-1.gif
http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/bedouincamel-k-1.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/barb-k-1.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/fd67b7ce-k-1.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/rath-k-1.gif

K.


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[This message has been edited by Kraellin (edited 09-05-2002).]

[Kraellin]

more.

http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/chivalricknights-k-1.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/chivalricsergeants-k-1b.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/erado-san-k-1.gif
http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/helmeted-k-1.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/image7-k-1b.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/kraelin-k-1.gif http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/patron1-k-1b.gif

K.


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The only absolute is that there are no absolutes.

[This message has been edited by Kraellin (edited 09-10-2002).]

[baz]

hiya Kraellin, i was wondering if you would mind if i uploaded a few of the icons that you have made for use in the kenchi ikonboard http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif it would be just so that people who haven't made there own can have a few to choose from http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif would you mind?



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previously BarryNoDachi - KenchiBND

Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)

[Kraellin]

hi baz,

nope. dont mind at all. i would only ask that those that are unique to certain individuals here on the .org, remain unique to those people, like mine, tera's and so on.

i shld have properly documented the original source work on these too, since all i do is tweak other folk's work. most are from the game, through various files and screen captures, but a few come from other sites. i've long since lost track of where, but again, most do come from the game. so i suppose asking you to also credit the source work would be a bit silly, other than for the CA artist originals.

maybe i'll start a new art form...50x50 miniature computer graphics :)

edit: also baz, if you've got any art you'd like me to work on, just post it here and i can save it and have a look. doesnt have to be from the game either.

K.


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[This message has been edited by Kraellin (edited 09-10-2002).]

[baz]

hiya k,
thanks for the response http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

Quote Originally posted by Kraellin:

i would only ask that those that are unique to certain individuals here on the .org, remain unique to those people, like mine, tera's and so on.

[/QUOTE]

damn i was gonna steal yours http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif (j/k) obviously if a icon is unique to an individual then we will help keep it that way http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

i will save some and get tera to upload them onto the server, once we have done this i will post the url of the forum here for you to go take a look http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif (you can check i didn't steal yours http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif )

and thanks for the offer of any tweaking, i may hold you to it http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

thank you - barry

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previously BarryNoDachi - KenchiBND

Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)

[Kraellin]

hehe, cool beans, mate :)

K.


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The only absolute is that there are no absolutes.

[baz]

if you wanna go check it out goto
http://terazawa.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi

its just a ploy to get you to register, hehe. anyway if ya wanna check out what icons we used goto
your control panel>personal info>avatar options http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

thanks again k your one in 2938 http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

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previously BarryNoDachi - KenchiBND

Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)

[Kraellin]

wow. that's a pretty cool board, baz. i like all the animations and stuff. soly told me i shld get 'flash' and do some. i dont have flash, but i do have paint shop pro's animation shop...perhaps i'll break back into doing some. i didnt register yet on your site; gotta go to work, but i'll come back later and check it out some more. i did run through the posts though and saw at least one of mine being used :) always nice to get a little validation once in a while.

glad you didnt use ezboard :)

i love that 'joan' pic at the bottom too. good choice there. that's one of my favorites from the mtw artists.

i'll check more of it out later on...prolly even register and say hey :)

K.


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The only absolute is that there are no absolutes.