PCI Expres/AGP Motherbaord

[monkian]

Hello

My Mother board has just died and rather than buying another out of date one that only supports AGP I was wondering if any of you guys knew of a motherboard that supports AGP and PCI Express.

I can only afford a PCI express only one if it comes with a decent onboard graphics cards as I cannot afford to buy a new generation one just yet.

Cheers !

[CBR]

Hm what cpu socket?


CBR

[Just A Girl]

I only found.
http://www.directron.com/nf4ula9.html
This Bosts 8x AGP funcionality, (well XGP)
And as such Does not suport all AGP cards.
Here are the know suported cards...

Brand Model AGP
ASUS Geforce 4 Ti 4200-8X 8X
ASUS 5600XT 8X
ASUS ATi 9800 XT 8X
Biostar VN400XXB3N64MB/128Bit 4X
Biostar VN4000XC2T128MB/64Bit 8X
Biostar VN4000XB2T64MB/64Bit 8X
Biostar VN4000XB1T64MB/32Bit 8X
Biostar VN520XXC3B128MB/128Bit 8X
Biostar VN520XXC2B128MB/64Bit 8X
Biostar VN570LED3B256MB/128Bit 8X
Biostar VN570LEC3B128MB/128Bit 8X
Biostar VN570LEC2B128MB/64Bit 8X
TRANSCEND ATi RADEON 8500 8X
TRANSCEND ATi RADEON 9100 8X

GIGABYTE ATi RADEON 9000 8X
GIGABYTE ATi RADEON 9500 8X
GIGABYTE ATi RADEON 9700 8X
ELSA 920FX 8X
ELSA ATi 9800 Pro 8X
ELSA FX 5900 Pro 8X
ELSA Geforce 4 MX460 4X
ELSA Geforce 4 Ti 4200 4X
MSI Geforce 4 Ti 4600 4X
MSI Geforce 4 MX440-8X 8X
WinFast Geforce 4 Ti 4400 4X
WinFast FX 5200 8X
WinFast FX 5600 8X
WinFast FX 5700 8X
WinFast FX 5950 Ultra 8X
Joytech ATi 9200 128M 8X
Joytech FX 5200 128M 128bit 8X
Joytech FX 5200 128M 64bit 8X
Joytech MX 4000 128M 64bit 8X
Joytech MX 4000 64M 64bit 8X
Joytech MX 4000 64M 32bit 8X
Joytech MX 400 64M 128bit 4X
Joytech 5700 LE 256M 128bit 8X
Joytech 5700 LE 128M 64bit 8X
Joytech 5700 LE 128M 128bit 8X
Sparkle FX 5900 XT 8X
Sparkle FX 5700 Ultra 8X


As far as I am aware.
Agp Used the simple foundations of the pci slots.
And when they introduced PCI E. Agp became a Issue.
As the foundations now changed.
The work aoround was AGP extentions.
"AGPe" or XGP

Although i did read that the guys at via had managed to get AGP and Pci running Dual.
http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.aspx?catid=34&threadid=62396&enterthread=y

Have a google for.
Pci Express / AGPe /XGP.
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Heres a note About AGPe...

AGPe slot(s), makes the board compatible with existing AGP graphics cards.
AGPe isn't an official standard, and it's not quite AGP. Because the AGP specification is derived from good old PCI,
Albatron was able to hang an AGP slot off of the PCI bus and make a functional AGP slot, although with somewhat diminished capacity.
Without the higher clock speeds and additional signaling tricks of AGP, this "AGPe" slot has only 133MB/second of bandwidth—much less than AGP 8X's 2.1GB/second of bandwidth.
Not only that, but a card in the AGPe slot must share bandwidth with other PCI devices in the system. AGPe should be responsive enough for basic 2D applications, but I wouldn't expect much from its gaming performance.
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Personaly...
if you want my Oppinion.
I would opt for pci Express over AGP.
And if your going to be using an AGPe board any way...
The on board Gfx would probably be faster than your Agp card due to the slower Clock speed of the AGPe slot.

However.
that 1st link does say it can do 8x Agp.(2.1GB/second )
Which is better than the AGPe. (133MB/second)

But i dont know enough about the XGP slots to be able to tell you if its as fast as the old AGP slots.
(It imply's it is But dosent catagoricaly state it is)

so you should now see,
You cant get a TRUE AGP slot on a pci E board.
Due to the new PCI foundations.
But there are alternative options. And the better one would be XGP.

But at the end of the day.
I would personaly get the pci E board.
And suffer for a while with bad GFX rather than buy a AGPe Pci E board, That may just end up being slower than the on board.
XGP.... I dont know enough about So i would avoid untill i heard Good reviews.

Hope this helps
:bow:

[monkian]

Socket A athlon xp

And thank you !

I'm struggling to find a decent PCIE Mobo wiht a built in graphics chip - any ideas ?

[CBR]

Unfortunately I dont think there are any socket A that supports both.


CBR

[monkian]

Yeah, didnt really think about the Processor.

Doh !

I usually buy stuff from here

www.overclockers.co.uk

If you can see a PCIe motherboard on there with built in graphivs that you can reccomend I would be highly greatfull !

[Just A Girl]

price range?
and have you looked at http://www.dabs.com ?
its where i get most of my stuff from...

"Dwi am gweld os ti'n siarad cymraeg...."

[monkian]

price range?
and have you looked at http://www.dabs.com ?
its where i get most of my stuff from...

"Dwi am gweld os ti'n siarad cymraeg...."

Well - any price really - onboard graphics is a must though

[CBR]

One option would be to get a Asrock 939Dual-SATA2 or ASUS A8V-MX as they both has AGP and PCIe but of course that still means new socket 939 cpu.


CBR

[Geezer57]

Hello

My Mother board has just died and rather than buying another out of date one that only supports AGP I was wondering if any of you guys knew of a motherboard that supports AGP and PCI Express.

I can only afford a PCI express only one if it comes with a decent onboard graphics cards as I cannot afford to buy a new generation one just yet.

Cheers !
Of the very few hybrid boards (AGP+PCIe) made, all will require you to buy a new CPU (Athlon 64, either socket 754 or 939). If you can't afford a new graphics card currently, you wouldn't be able to afford a new CPU either, so that's not a good option.

I'd forget about upgrading to a new "hot" graphics card for now, and focus on just replacing the existing motherboard. For integrated graphics, I've had good results with the NVIDIA nForce2 IGP. It gives you the equivalent of a GeForce 4 MX card, which is great for 2D productivity applications, and OK for older 3D games. And they're also pretty inexpensive right now.

Later, when you can afford a CPU + motherboard + graphics card upgrade, you can take the plunge into the "new generation".

[monkian]

Of the very few hybrid boards (AGP+PCIe) made, all will require you to buy a new CPU (Athlon 64, either socket 754 or 939). If you can't afford a new graphics card currently, you wouldn't be able to afford a new CPU either, so that's not a good option.

I'd forget about upgrading to a new "hot" graphics card for now, and focus on just replacing the existing motherboard. For integrated graphics, I've had good results with the NVIDIA nForce2 IGP. It gives you the equivalent of a GeForce 4 MX card, which is great for 2D productivity applications, and OK for older 3D games. And they're also pretty inexpensive right now.

Later, when you can afford a CPU + motherboard + graphics card upgrade, you can take the plunge into the "new generation".

Yeah, just looking around for a socket A motherboard - found a few decent ones.

Found a brand new one with a stick of 512 ddr ram for about £25 so gonna go with that.

Using my Borther's old iMac at the moment - blurrrgh !

[Just A Girl]

you may want to concider buying a cpu and motherboard bundle package some time. there relitivly cheap and a good idea for upgrades on tight budgets.
You need to be sure your ram will work with it or you may need to buy new ram as well.
But everything els you have should just plug in.
and you could use your old case.
thus reducing the cost of geting a new pc whilst actualy taking a big step there and making the best improvment.

And then progress to better GFX cards excetera...
when you have the foundation to improve on.

Bundle packages should be relitivley inexpensive for something quite respectable. if you shop around.

[monkian]

you may want to concider buying a cpu and motherboard bundle package some time. there relitivly cheap and a good idea for upgrades on tight budgets.
You need to be sure your ram will work with it or you may need to buy new ram as well.
But everything els you have should just plug in.
and you could use your old case.
thus reducing the cost of geting a new pc whilst actualy taking a big step there and making the best improvment.

And then progress to better GFX cards excetera...
when you have the foundation to improve on.

Bundle packages should be relitivley inexpensive for something quite respectable. if you shop around.

Kinda like this

AMD Athlon 64 3200 Retail / Abit UL8 / 512MB GeIL PC3200 CAS2.5 Dual Channel Kit - Bundle (BU-011-OK)
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Venice 90nm (Socket 939) - Retail (ADA3200BPBOX) (CP-118-AM)
GeIL 512MB (2x256MB) PC3200 Value Dual Channel Kit CAS2.5 (GE5123200BHDC) (MY-004-GL)
Abit UL8 ULi M1689 (Socket 939) Motherboard (MB-079-AB)




Price: £164.85 (£193.70 Including VAT at 17.5%)

[Just A Girl]

Thats the idea