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Here my small attempt on a tuareg model.
The sword is similar to one posted in army unit thread, and beduin color also.
https://img486.imageshack.us/img486/474/bed13pc.th.jpg (https://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bed13pc.jpg)
Tell me what you think.
the graphisme in this unit is very good ,but the sword is too short.
congratulation it 's very nice
edyzmedieval
03-22-2006, 09:37
The sword is too pointy. Make it more smooooth....
Here come a black bedouin.
https://img20.imageshack.us/img20/610/blackbed4kk.th.jpg (https://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackbed4kk.jpg)
Now you msut put MORE AND MORE pictures for this faction.
After 3 beduin with this dress, people will get sick of bedouin :)
for edzy: more smooth? i already make it longer. what mean smooth?
In vanilla, bedouin have this scimitar, while this pic posted show long and not curved blades.
Tell me which one to use.
Also, i need pictures of a shield, in case bedouin have, and what put on shield as emblem or what else.
And colours of this dress, also, or are jsut white, blue and black?
I need more info, and pics, and unit list, and all, like for magyar.
Also need to know what must change in magyar units...
Bye
edyzmedieval
03-22-2006, 12:35
Bedouins used only these 3 colours. And they only had a round shield.
No emblem for the bedouins. Fot God's sake, they are nomads, not an empire!!! :laugh4:
Make it a bit long. It looks like a short sword. And very square. :dizzy2:
They use the bow, scimitar, round shield and spear.
Bedouin Camel Warriors - Camel riders, touaregs with spear and round shield.
al moravides used camel more than horses.can you create a cataphrate camel?
with round shield and long spear?
Rodion Romanovich
03-22-2006, 15:11
almazor did anybody really use cataphract camels? Isn't that unhistorical?
yes i agree with you,but castillans have an excelent heavy cavalry ,and the almoravides use camels more than horse and also they like fighting on foot,i think that we can give them the most powerfull camel in the game,and in the batttle of zallaca, the castillans cavalry was crushed by al moravides camel,because the horses of the castillans haven't see before this battle any camel.do you agree with me?
Rodion Romanovich
03-22-2006, 15:54
Yes, we can make very good camels, but the camels shouldn't wear armor in combat, should they? We can add the "scares horses" property to the camels, which means they'll easily rout enemy heavy cavalry. We can also add "bonus vs cavalry" property to the camels. That way the camels can kill the horses more effectively, AND make the horses more likely to rout. But we don't need to dress up the camels in armor for that. Do you agree that that is an acceptable solution?
ok you are right.i agree with you,and you can add something that: almoravides will have the best camels units in the game more fast,more powerfull.they are the only faction who camel can rout heavy cavalry.if you add this it will be an acceptable solution do you agree with me for that?
Rodion Romanovich
03-22-2006, 16:06
yes, I agree :thumbsup:
Well, here came another beduin.
Then i ended the variation, remain just some dirty grey dress :)
https://img157.imageshack.us/img157/2180/bed36zp.th.jpg (https://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bed36zp.jpg)
I added a shield posted in other thread, and longer sword.
If need to be curved, tell me.
Now you agree on all, please psot here a list of unit like for magyar.
So i can make proper units, instead of just beduin on camels :)
Rodion Romanovich
03-22-2006, 17:00
The almoravid unit list isn't ready yet, I'm afraid ~:( I'll be back...
oh my god this is amazing
This is the black guard, mounted on horse
Must give me example of indian sword, i just sticked the same beduin sword.
Please notice skin is black, as yo usaid was senegalese people :)
https://img74.imageshack.us/img74/6154/blgu0hj.th.jpg (https://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blgu0hj.jpg)
Any critic welcome.
black guards must be heavly armorred,and it was the most powerfull almoravides unit like varanguian guard of the byzatines,it wasn't a light cavalry.there attack and defense were very good.but you can take this for sudanese light cavalry.
and i think that we call the them black guards because they are wearing black cloths ok some of them were recruited from senegal but a large part of them very andalucians,berbers,and uluj(christians who embrassed islam) there number was 4000.i suggest to u to views the screenshot in crusader tw,it's only to develop this mod, no for publicity of this mod,and i didn' like it but units is good
thanks.
Armored with what? chain, leather, scale?
Need more info :)
I just saw the black guard unit from the crusades.
They are very similar, just have shield, and some more conical shape of head.
And are white skin, of course. Didnt see any armour on them, just black tunic.
Beside shape of head, they are the same unit, you sure of what are writing? :)
Bye
no info about that but in the crusader,you can do the same thing like sibyan al rikab round shield and scal armor i'mnot an expert,but you are doing well
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/hobby.one4/Almoravides.htm
Well, here is an armored almoravids, similar to those you mentioned (the scale armor i mean).
https://img387.imageshack.us/img387/7708/armbed18ti.th.jpg (https://img387.imageshack.us/my.php?image=armbed18ti.jpg)
The shield, is nice, if you find me a pic of one similar, i can copy it :)
No way i draw it by hand :)
Can make tons of this bedouin, they look all same. can put armor on them, if you think that small figurine are okay, historical wise, i can make all of them :)
Bye
beauchamp
03-23-2006, 01:23
Sehr Toll!
Awsome Tuaregs!
Thi is an almoravids archer, based on the figurine in low right corner.
https://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6357/bedar11dw.th.jpg (https://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bedar11dw.jpg)
Any critic welcome.
Need more figurine or draws, and a unit list.
edyzmedieval
03-23-2006, 11:46
Uhhh.Very nice. ~:)
you wan some medieval shields
http://www.imperialweapons.com/armour/MacLeod.jpg
http://library.thinkquest.org/10949/images/shield.jpg
and also indian sword and shield:
http://www.khukriwala.com/pcat-gifs/categories/swords.jpg
http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos/items/18/001618/ph-0.jpg
oriental-arms.com/photos.php?id=1208
http://www.soldiers-russia.com/new_soldiers/near_east/arab_warrior_with_axe1.htm
https://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b195/MightyMacbeth/shamshir_large.jpg
http://www.strongblade.com/prod/prodimages/sbx-shamshir1_l.jpg
http://www.russianswords.com/Shamshir-giraffe.htm
http://www.qomheritage.org/persian/pe_pic/shamshir_1.jpg
beauchamp
03-23-2006, 15:35
Im sorry, but here I would have to dissagree. Given the time period, and the circumstances, the Almoravids were not capable to having that many Shamshir, seeing that they were from persia. I belive that the blades would more likely be like the old arab broadswords (Here are the blades of the Prohpets Muhammed and Ali: http://www.usna.edu/Users/humss/bwheeler/swords/swords_index.html)
or like the famed El Cid sword eventually adopted by the spainiards. Only until about, 900 AD did the Swords we know as the Shamshir was widespread.
Anyways, Kudos on the great reasearch and Modelling, Im really looking forward to playing the game :2thumbsup:
beauchamp
03-23-2006, 15:44
Here is a better example of North African and Almoravid swords:
http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/image/links_subseccions/swords/arabian-swords.jpg
In the song of roland, it is mentioned more about famous moors, Ill try and find my old copy and post some stuff.
yes i know but he want some figure of indian sword and i give it to him.(if you read about the batlle of zallaqa you will inderstand the black guards use indian sword and long spear).
and you why not they could use the form shamchir?
about me its and this is my opinion it's nice to see an almoravide or andaluce unit using this magnifique form of sword.
and also to develp the quality of sword in the unit .
do you inderstand me?thanks for the replay
this is could be used by castillians or franks and maybe german,but for the almoravides i desagree with you.
Here comes a numidian, or mauri spearman.
https://img125.imageshack.us/img125/3791/bednu4yh.th.jpg (https://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bednu4yh.jpg)
https://img125.imageshack.us/img125/6058/bednu21vj.th.jpg (https://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bednu21vj.jpg)
Has that patched leather mail, i saw in several pic on that site of almoravids figurine.
Saw it also on saracen unit in crusades, so i used it myself.
Tell me if is historical, or must be changed.
Need at least another good pic of a shield, with 3 shield i guess can do all the units...
As always, critics welcome.
some arab sword:
http://www.umich.edu/~eng415/topics/war/Islamic_Swords.html
http://www.syriangate.com/swords.htm
http://www.arms2armor.com/Swords/scimitar.htm
http://www.kultofathena.com/swords-arab.html
about arabs:
aromors:http://www.sfusd.k12.ca.us/schwww/sch618/War/WarArmor.html
castle adn fort:
http://www.sfusd.k12.ca.us/schwww/sch618/War/WarCastles%26Forts.html
the siege weapons:
http://www.sfusd.k12.ca.us/schwww/sch618/War/Siege.html
military art:
http://www.sfusd.k12.ca.us/schwww/sch618/War/War.html
weapons:
http://www.sfusd.k12.ca.us/schwww/sch618/War/Weapons.html
I will stick on long straight sword, seems, then.
Maybe can make a scimitar for a unit, dont know.
But i need this unit list, else i do unit at random...
bye
some sword of the prophet muhamed:
http://www.sunna.info/souwar/data/media/12/sac8.jpg
sword of ali ibn abi taleb you can use this for almoravides sword man:
http://www.sunna.info/souwar/data/media/12/seeeef5.jpg
An all white sword+shield+horse beduin.
https://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3707/bedwhit14zs.th.jpg (https://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bedwhit14zs.jpg)
Where is legio and his unit list :)
it's a good unit,i love it.
i have a suggestion that for the almoravides units can you make them more like tuareg :
http://www.farbklecks.net/portfolio/images/Sahara_Tuareg_2.jpg
and almoravides camel like that:http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Travel/Pix/gallery/2005/08/23/gal-Tuareg-Libya.jpg
because historicly andalucians call tha al moravides almoulathamin almoulatham a person how hide his face.
beauchamp
03-23-2006, 20:20
I guess for the later dynasties, their should be Shamshir, that is without a doubt. But the earliest Al-Andalus warriors probably used the Arab broadsword, due to the fact that they were the remnants of the old Ummayad order turning tail against the Abbasids. Anyways, good reasearch and awsome models.
oh yea, BTW Almazor. I think that blade you are showing is belived to be Dhul-a-faqar or better known as Zulfiqar (my favorite sword in history!), originally the blade of Muhammed, it was passed down to Ali and saw action througout both of their campaigns, even unto Karbala. I think in arabic it means something like "spine cleaver" or "blinder", and was orignally shown with two points at the end, and was used especially for gougeing out eyes :).
yeah, all first beduin was with covered face, i did a pair with face visible to change the aspect.
Almazor, you can produce something like an unit list?
like 12-14 units, from low rank to elite, so can work on it.
I have already 6-7 beduin ready, am half way seems.
ok i understand,ok i will set up a unit list for the al moravides soon.i'm working on it.thanks for all
Another spearman beduin on horse.
White and blue, the shield isnt so great, i painted by hand. sigh
https://img104.imageshack.us/img104/6776/bed812ct.th.jpg (https://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bed812ct.jpg)
edyzmedieval
03-25-2006, 12:25
Wow. Really nice.
I love the bright colours. :2thumbsup:
it's nice yhe colors must be more dark,but it's ok
yeah will darken them more.
How goes with the unit list?
Rodion Romanovich
03-25-2006, 18:41
I think this is the list we're supposed to use for al-andalus/almoravids faction:
-Arab noble cavalry: T: heavy cavalry (royal bodyguard), N: 20, A: good, C: very good, D: very good, W: spear, curved sword, H: iron, Ar: mail coat, S: oval, Mo: excellent, St: good, Co: very expensive.
-Arab light cavalry: T: light missile cavalry, N: 40, A: average, C: good, M: average, D: average, W: arab bow, curved sword, H: leather, Ar: leather, S: round, Mo: good, St: good. Cost: expensive.
-Andalusian cavalry: T: medium cavalry, N: 40, A: good, C: very good, D: good, W: spear, curved sword, H: iron, Ar: mail coat, S: round, Mo: good, St: average, Cost: expensive.
-Berber cavalry: T: missile cavalry, N: 60, A: average, C: good, M: excellent, D: average/weak, W: javelin, sabre, H: no, Ar: no/leather, S: oval or bilobed, Mo: good, St: excellent. Co: average
Image of berber cavalry:
http://www.maderuelo.com/historia_y_...tohispano.html
-Negros: T: heavy Sudanese swordmen (personal guard of calipha), N: 60, A: very strong, C: strong, D: strong, W: curved sword, H: iron, Ar: no, S: no/bilobed, Mo: excellent, St: excellent, Co: very expensive
-Mamaliks (slave professional warriors): T: heavy slavic spearmen, N: 80, A: strong, C: good, D: strong, W: spear, sword, H: iron, Ar: mailcoat, S: round, Mo: excellent, St: good, Co: expensive.
Image similar to mamaliks:
http://www.maderuelo.com/historia_y_...ia_siglo8.html
http://www.maderuelo.com/historia_y_...cionarmas.html (coloured paint)
-Murtazika: T: heavy berber spearmen, N: 80, A: good, C: good, D: very good, W: spear, sword. H: leather, Ar: leather, S: bilobed, Mo: good, St: good, Co: quite expensive.
-Muttawia: T: light berber infantry, N: 120, A: weak, C: average, M: good, D: average, W: javelin, spear, H: no, Ar: no, S: bilobed, Mo: average, St: good, Co: cheap.
-Muyahids (jihad warriors): T: swordmen infantry, N: 80, A: good, C: strong, D: average, W: sword, H: leather/no, Ar: no, S: oval/bilobed, Mo: very good, St: very good, Co: average. Religious boost morale when combat christian or pagan
-Rigal (andalusian line infantry): T: medium spearmen, N: 80, A: good, C: average, M: good, D: very good, W: javelin, spear, sword, H: leather/iron, Ar: mailcoat, S: round, Mo: good, St: average, Co: a bit expensive. Can make shield wall
Image of andalusian rigal:
http://www.maderuelo.com/historia_y_...cionarmas.html
-Rabita (frontier levy troops): T: light infantry, N: 120, A: average, C: average, D: good, W: spear, sword, H: leather, Ar: leather, S: round, Mo: average, St: average, Co: average. You can use as levies.
Image of rabita:
http://www.maderuelo.com/historia_y_...cionarmas.html
-Rumat al-sinniya: T: Bowmen infantry, N: 80, A: weak, C: average, M: good, D: weak, W: Frankish bow, short sword, H: leather, Ar: no, S: oval, Mo: average, St: good. Co: cheap/average
-Mawaly heavy cavalry:mawaly bani umayya,they play a great role in the history of andalucia,we find in history somes vizirs and great generals like "ghalib al nassiri" and we find abu jaafar al meshafi was a hajib of the caliph "al hakam II"
the provenance of mawaly is from the east they was slavs of the ummayad emirs and after the fal of the ummayades caliphat they migrate to andalucia,the ummayade give them there liberty but they continue serving the caliphate.
Another almoravid with covered face.
https://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7202/bbb12gk.th.jpg (https://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bbb12gk.jpg)
that is the unit for almoravids or al andalus? I thought was al andalus, and i read somewhere was somewhat different.
I dont have any pic of al-andalus, i fear, so need search for it, maybe
Rodion Romanovich
03-25-2006, 22:34
Another almoravid with covered face.
https://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7202/bbb12gk.th.jpg (https://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bbb12gk.jpg)
that is the unit for almoravids or al andalus? I thought was al andalus, and i read somewhere was somewhat different.
I dont have any pic of al-andalus, i fear, so need search for it, maybe
All berber units belonging to al-andalus could be made after the almoravid pictures.
edyzmedieval
03-26-2006, 19:09
Legio,
Have you received Palissa's skins?
Oh, the unit looks nice. I always love bright colours. ~D
http://www.toysoldiers.ca/popup/WAB%20EL%20CID.jpg
the unit list of the almoravides:
the number of infantry units of the almoravides must be hight because the almoravides like fighting on foot,and in there battle they use infantry more than horses add to that they are very desciplined like roman legion,they use also camels.
1-the lamtuna:heavy spearmen the rulers of the al moravides were from the tribe of lamtuna.the most loyal and powerfull unit
of the almoravide.
heavy spearmen, N: 120, A: strong, C: good, D: strong, W: spear, sword, H: iron, Ar: mailcoat, S: round, Mo: excellent, St: good, Co: expensive.Can make shield wall
2-the black guard:
heavy cavalry (royal bodyguard), N: 60, A: good, C: very good, D: very good, W: spear, curved sword, H: iron, Ar: mail coat, S: oval, Mo: excellent, St: good, Co: very expensive.
i suggest that the number must be hight because,in the battle of zallaqa,the number of black guard was 4000 20% of the army and it's very hight for a personnel guards.and we give the player the possibility to dismount this killers,Can make shield wall if they fight on foot
3-al moravide horsmen:
medium cavalry, N: 40, A: good, C: very good, D: good, W: spear, curved sword, H: iron, Ar: mail coat, S: round, Mo: good, St: average, Cost: expensive.
4-al moravide warrior:swordman unit
T: swordmen infantry, N: 80, A: good, C: strong, D: average, W: sword, H: leather/no, Ar: no, S: oval/bilobed, Mo: very good, St: very good, Co: average. Religious boost morale when combat christian or pagan
5-al moravide spearmen:
T: heavy spearmen, N: 120, A: good, C: good, D: very good, W: spear, sword. H: leather, Ar: leather, S:"your choice ", Mo: good, St: good, Co: quite expensive Religious boost morale when combat christian or pagan.
6-berber infantry:
T: light berber infantry, N: 120, A: weak, C: average, M: good, D: average, W: javelin, spear, H: no, Ar: no, S: bilobed, Mo: average, St: averege, Co: cheap.
7-Rumat al-soudan: they are recruited from senegal
T: Bowmen infantry, N: 80, A: weak, C: average, M: good, D: weak, W:bow, short sword, H: leather, Ar: no, S: oval, Mo: average, St: good. Co: cheap/average.
8-cammel drummer:extra drummer, scare all enemy units.
9-Andalucians Auxilaries:light infantry, N: 120, A: average, C: average, D: good, W: spear, sword, H: leather, Ar: leather, S: round, Mo: average, St: average, Co: average. You can use as levies.
10-al moravide camel raiders:bonus againt horses,can rout heavy cavalry,they will probably the most powerfull camel in the game.armed with spear and oval shield.
11-andalucians cavalry:medium cavalry, N: 40, A: good, C: very good, D: good, W: spear, curved sword, H: iron, Ar: mail coat, S: round, Mo: good, St: average, Cost: expensive.
12-Arab light cavalry: T: light missile cavalry, N: 40, A: average, C: good, M: average, D: average, W: arab bow, curved sword, H: leather, Ar: leather, S: round, Mo: good, St: good. Cost: expensive.
13-Berber cavalry: T: missile cavalry, N: 60, A: average, C: good, M: excellent, D: average/weak, W: javelin, sabre, H: no, Ar: no/leather, S: oval or bilobed, Mo: good, St: excellent. Co: average
http://www.toysoldiers.ca/popup/WAB%20EL%20CID.jpg
Ah, almazor, good list.
You think can associate some of those almoravids i did with units in your list, and tell me what need to change or add? Like change weapons, or add them, and provide pic of shield, if different :). Thanks
if you saw the image:this is a battle between al moravides and spanish,(i have another image much better),the almoravide horseman have oval shield,armed with sword and long spear,the face is headen.
for infantry they have a different type of shield,and i think that oval shield is'nt a good choice.
This is a fatimids infantry i did just today.
https://img61.imageshack.us/img61/7240/fr23mf.th.jpg (https://img61.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr23mf.jpg)
i must do some of those berbers unit also, i think, with covered and uncovered face.
I need pic for berbers also
perhaps the shield must be dark,can you change the color of the shield to black it will look better?
Yeah, the peanuts shield came a bit too much oversatured in this environment i used.
must check in game, and see how it comes.
https://img67.imageshack.us/img67/6670/fr18hl.th.jpg (https://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr18hl.jpg)
https://img129.imageshack.us/img129/6083/fr26gm.th.jpg (https://img129.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr26gm.jpg)
egyptian cavalry
Rodion Romanovich
03-27-2006, 20:13
looks good!
http://flyhi.de/images/cry_havoc/ch_croisade.jpg
can you replace the javelines with a round shield like this pictur
Arab tribesman
https://img154.imageshack.us/img154/4691/fr24ag.th.jpg (https://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr24ag.jpg)
You have mroe pictures like that :)
no i'm desagree,with you historicly and illogical i guest that you have seen an osprey publishing of "the armies of caliphates",the unit seem like an acient egyptiens(pharaoh).i'm sorry i don't like it.
historicly is wrong,and if we yhink logicly,if an arab tribesman was like that a chikken in the macrowave,it's too hot in midel east(egypt,palestine,jordan,iraq).
i think that the pictur "http://flyhi.de/images/cry_havoc/ch_croisade.jpg" will provide to you a good example of arab units,the osprey publi is good but they made some mistake like that
Ah okay. welll that was in the picture i used. I thought same, that was a bit naked for an arab, but i just copied it :)
No problem, critics always welcome.
LEVEL1:
Rumat al-soudan(archer,bow)
Berber cavalry(cavalry,javelin,sabre)
Arab light cavalry(light missile cavalry,arab bow,curved sword)
6-berber infantry:(light berber infantry,javelin, spear,)
LEVEL2:
Andalucians Auxilaries(light infantry,spear, sword,round shield,You can use as levies.)
al moravide camel raiders:bonus againt horses,can rout heavy cavalry,they will probably the most powerfull camel in the
game.armed with spear and oval shield.
andalucians cavalry(medium cavalry, spear, curved sword, mail coat,round shield,expensive)
LEVEL3:
the lamtuna(heavy spearmen,spear, sword,round,excellent,expensive.Can make shield wall)Religious boost morale when combat
christian or pagan
al moravide warrior(swordmen infantry,sword,Religious boost morale when combat christian or pagan)
al moravide horsmen(medium cavalry,spear, curved sword,round shield,expensive)Religious boost morale when combat christian or
pagan
al moravide spearmen(heavy spearmen,spear, sword,quite expensive)Religious boost morale when combat christian or pagan
LEVEL4:
the black guard(heavy cavalry (royal bodyguard),spear, curved sword,mail coat)
Muslim urban militia
https://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5945/fr22kn.th.jpg (https://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr22kn.jpg)
I can make a version with face covered, for almoravides, i guess.
Almazor, can you assign to those list some beduin i did already? and tell what must be changed and what can be kept?
So i know which ones need to be done and worked over.
tuareg model:
https://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bed13pc.jpg
if you change camel to horse ,and you add a round shield +a long spear,for armor chain mail,it would be great.
we can call them al moravide horseman.
black bedouin
https://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackbed4kk.jpg
you add a round shield +a long spear.i like this one,for shiel you can create a simple round shield.
we can call them almoravides camels raiders can rout heavy cavalry
https://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bed36zp.jpg
change the camel to horse,this unit is a good light cavalry.
i don't have any suggestion about this
https://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blgu0hj.jpg
balck guards: change this unit some thig is wrong i don' like it,black guards must be heavly armorred: mail coat,and it was the most powerfull almoravides unit like varanguian guard of the byzatines,you can take for example sebyan al rikab,or abtal askar,or somethig else or other cavalry and change the color to black,and change the aspect to saharians unit.
https://img387.imageshack.us/my.php?image=armbed18ti.jpg
this unit is good but try change the helmet or change the yellow to black,white or blue
call them al moravide spearmen
https://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bedar11dw.jpg
it's nice but not for almoravides,take them to andalucians.
https://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bednu4yh.jpg
we have 2 choice:-take this unit to fatimids(soudanese spearmen).
-call them lamtuna (hide there face,and they must have some kind of armors).
https://img104.imageshack.us/img104/6776/bed812ct.th.jpg
they are to bright,change the spear to javelin,but you can add this to a berber cavalry unit.
berber cavalry
https://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bedwhit14zs.jpg
for fatimide i think,light cavalry
arab cavalry raider
https://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bbb12gk.jpg
al moravide warrior it's ok this unit is quite good if you change the shield it would be great
Muslim urban militia
https://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr22kn.jpg
for fatimid i guess that you are influenced by osprey publishing,and take a look for other units of ghaznavide or abbasside
this unit is good
arab tribesman
https://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr24ag.jpg
i don't like it
https://img61.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr23mf.jpg
nice but change the shield
https://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr18hl.jpg
add round shield,and long spear make this unit as medium cavalry,i think we can have 2 choice:
1-arab cavalry for fatimids
2-andalucian cavalry
Another fatimides horseman
https://img481.imageshack.us/img481/9075/fr21uq.th.jpg (https://img481.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr21uq.jpg)
i will try to do as yo usuggest with pic above, one at time :)
Well, of course am suggested by osprey, i have jsut that pictures :)
i read something in history book,that the banner and flags of the umayyade(al andalus) were white, and the abbasside were black(first the ummayade called abbasside "al mousawida"=in arabic personwhoi wear a black clothes),and fatimide green.i mention that because i want all unit of each caliphat.it's only to integrate some of this colors in your skins.
thank for all man
and this is the beta unit list of the fatimid
1-infantry:
Nubian Infantry:spearman
sarracen infantry:heavy infantry
arab warriors : swordman
caliph's guard or abyssinians guards:i dont know two possibilities heavy spearman or heavy axe man
muslim urban militia(already done)
2-cavalry:
beduin cavalry :light cavalry (long spear,round shield)
maghariba cavalry:medium cavalry(long spear,round shield,chain mail)
Arab noble cavalry:heavy cavalry
sudanese cavalry:maybe it will skirmish or light cavalry
beduin camel raider not good as almoravides camel raider
3-archers
saracen archers
Nubian archers
Nizaris
Sudanese Javlinmen
pictur of round shield you could use it in skinning units
http://home.messiah.edu/~gdaub/armor/pictures/medrep/targe.jpg
and some islamique banner and shield:
http://www.littlebigmenstudios.co.uk/littlebigmenstudios/new%20images/ISLAMBANNERS.jpg
http://www.littlebigmenstudios.co.uk/littlebigmenstudios/new%20images/ISLAMIC(PM)B.jpg
Al moravide horseman
https://img475.imageshack.us/img475/4650/fr11ic.th.jpg (https://img475.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr11ic.jpg)
https://img379.imageshack.us/img379/2296/fr28bi.th.jpg (https://img379.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr28bi.jpg)
It carry long spear, a sword as secondary weapon, shield round, and i added a chainmail over the top part of torso.
nice,but i don't like the shield can you replace it with:
http://home.messiah.edu/~gdaub/armor/pictures/medrep/targe.jpg
Here it goes.
https://img233.imageshack.us/img233/885/fr14mo.th.jpg (https://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr14mo.jpg)
Let say this unit is done :)
ok we can say that and if you want you can use this shield for the almoravides or andalucians.
i posted a beta unit list of fatimide i need some critics to develop this unit list but i prefere finishing the al moravides and al andalus after that we can pass to fatimid and later abassides.legio and edyzmedieval do you agree with me?
Well, being me only making units, can just go on and finish first the almoravides.
Tomorrow i try to finish off anotehr unit, and put in the done unit basket...
At the end of this, i will be the modelers with mroe arab unit at his active :)
i think that we must do a new thread unit progress list?
Rodion Romanovich
03-29-2006, 11:41
yes, that would be useful
i create a new thread progress unit list.and if the unit look good i place "X" after the name of unit.
https://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bedar11dw.jpg for this Rumat al-sinniya can we vaildate this unit palissa?
Another arab cavalryman
https://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6056/fr23nj.th.jpg (https://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr23nj.jpg)
https://img70.imageshack.us/img70/5265/fr14yo.th.jpg (https://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr14yo.jpg)
For the rumat, if is okay for you, is okay for me :) if need some change tell me and i will do.
I noticed a small error in face, that black line, i already fixed it.
Ah, almazor, remember, that any unit can be mounted or dismounted, on camel or horse, maybe you know already.
So if i put on horse, dont worry, can also go on foot.
If want a drummer, remember, that he will not use drums, can only take around as an object, we dont have any animation to make him use drums.
Here is the second unit, the black beduin, mounted on camel, with a very long spear, a knife as secondary weapon, and a small rounded shield.
https://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5488/fr12hr.th.jpg (https://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr12hr.jpg)
Of course if have better image for such a shield, i can change it.
I prefer make each unit with different shield, but is up to coordinator the choice.
ok i understand,for the rumat if you fixe that error it's ok.for the arab cavalry man can you chage the colors of the shield to another color like green or chage the shield,and olso his head the 3amama i don't like it,for this unit i don't were we can put it in andalus , abassides or fatimide.
i prefer that you finish the almoravides-andalus units after that we move to the fatimides.
for drumer i will search some thing,do you have the book of osprey publishing
"moorish or armies of islam in the west" in periode of the almoravides i think that they exist an animation almoravides drumer.
i add rumat al siniya to almoravides unit list,i think the number of skirmish is too low,we need an almoravide javelineman do you agree with me?
Yeah need mroe javelin stuff.
On horse or on feet?
on foot ,we will call it almoravide javelineman? for cavalry we have berber cavalry we don't have javelinemlan for the almoravides.
this is a pictur of shield!http://www.celticgrounds.com/images/scanned/celticartthings/weaponry/targ17c.jpg
if you look the mod of crusader you will find the unit abtal askar, heavy cavalry you can take this model of unit to develop the arab noble cavalry or the black guard.do you agree with me?
i think it will be a good model,for the camel unit it's ok.
The black guard in crusaders is like one i already did.
I think we can change it, adding a mail, or a lamellar armor, or yo uthink we must redesign it totally?
That shield we already used, i think, is the one on first beduin.
I have some shields with inscription in arab language, but i dont know what it mean, and dont want risk to be offensive or what else, seeing the times around...
ok,i'm waiting to see this unit if black guards
Here the javelinman
https://img65.imageshack.us/img65/1307/fr14ln.th.jpg (https://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr14ln.jpg)
it's ok i like this unit,for the lamtuna heavy in want something like that(not the same thing)with large shield(like Medieval total war),long spear you can heavely armour.now we validate almoravide javeline man.what 's the next unit you want to do?
i ask the learder of this mod if the unit list of abassides is done?if not i can make some historical research to set up a unit list for them?i think that unit list will be the same as the fatimide(for arab and bedouin unit)but the difference between the two faction,is that abbasside have the khorassanian guards and turks and the fatimides have the maghariba or the abyssinian and some other unit for booth.
We stick on blue-white black colors?
For almoravides, i mean.
yes this 's a good thing.
A version of black guard with lamellar and a new shield
https://img453.imageshack.us/img453/166/fr10gz.th.jpg (https://img453.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr10gz.jpg)
And with chain mail
https://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5087/fr36sj.th.jpg (https://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr36sj.jpg)
tell me what think better.
(I like more lamellar, but is personal taste)
nice unit,for me the lamellar is god,the shield didn't apear clairly,and black guard is cavalry unit,please you add long spear and the horse.if you do this we pass to the lamtuna.can you use some shamshir swords? if you change the sword it will be greate,i want to see this unit with shamshir
Shamshir? tell me where are a good picture of it, saw so many word pics, i got lost.
like this
http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos/items/18/001618/ph-0.jpg
and this:
http://www.strongblade.com/prod/prodimages/sbx-shamshir1_l.jpg
and this unit is good i think we will call them almoravide spearman:
https://img387.imageshack.us/img387/7708/armbed18ti.th.jpg
but can you make them saharien unit blue-black colors,and i don't like the helmet.
for the lamtuna you can do the same thing but the shield must be large and the spear very long
ok?
That last spearman with green shield, what need to be changed? I didnt got it :)
this is nice but you have to make them more saharian unit,i think you may make the head like the almoravides javeline,the face is headden but you can preserve the white but i didn't like the yellow ok?is it clear?
ok man thanks.
for the al moravide warrior i want you to change the shield,the shield seems like a european men-at-arm.
https://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bbb12gk.jpg
change it to round shield.
Okay, this is that one fixed.
https://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3657/fr17yq.th.jpg (https://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr17yq.jpg)
So this is stored, i hope.
Changed shield (oval islam) and sword (not so much but can be seen i hope)
https://img426.imageshack.us/img426/2807/fr17qr.th.jpg (https://img426.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr17qr.jpg)
for the spearman it's ok,and for the secund the sword is ok.
for the shield i didn't like the color,if you can change it with another colors like white and black or white blue(more darkness).
the secund possibility you add a simple round shield.
i will search some pictur of islamic shild.what is the next unit we will do?
I try another shield, if find one decent.
Next unit? I dont know :) let go in order :)
Here new shield.
Added some particulars too.
https://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8864/fr18bn.th.jpg (https://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr18bn.jpg)
ok,what is the next step? lamtuna or berber infantry?
for the lamtuna, iwan't it like the almoravide spearmen but you change the white to blue and the they must have a large shield
Berber cavalry with a stendard, or such.
https://img235.imageshack.us/img235/2587/fr12aa.th.jpg (https://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr12aa.jpg)
https://img235.imageshack.us/img235/289/fr22mt.th.jpg (https://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr22mt.jpg)
can also go on foot, i guess.
he is like a ninja,the banner is too big, and don't hide his face becaus berbers of andalus or of morroco don't hide there face and they don't live in sahara ok?
this is firts the secund thing the berber cavalry is a missil cavalry throw javlines:
13-Berber cavalry: T: missile cavalry, N: 60, A: average, C: good, M: excellent, D: average/weak, W: javelin, sabre, H: no, Ar: no/leather, S: oval or bilobed, Mo: good, St: excellent. Co: average
Ah yeah, i wanted ask if veil face or not :)
I will uncover face, and can add javelin. Spear or sword, when ended javelin?
Ah sabre, i read it.
https://img93.imageshack.us/img93/7923/fr17dh.th.jpg (https://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr17dh.jpg)
(sabre is there but hidden as secondary weapon)
Ah, figure it is on horse, i forget to add horse :)
Ok.the head need to be change.he 's like a chinese
that is what CA pass in BI for a moor raider....
Same model, same skin.
Need change face or the had totally?
I can put some other face, maybe with some beard.
This is how shows the lamtuna
https://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4527/fr10uj.th.jpg (https://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr10uj.jpg)
https://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1981/fr28rb.th.jpg (https://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr28rb.jpg)
Again need critics. Added a new type of shield, somewhat oval. And changed armor, added some kind of armor, found on vanilla :)
Almazor, scans the faces in bi/data/models unit/textures, and if find a good face for that berber, i add it :)
for berber i think the face maybe the head too,
for the lamtuna can you change the color of the shield to black and the cloaths to white?this unit is good for me.
I think will put back a turbant head on that berber, and leave face uncovered.
Will put white dress and make shield black. But black isnt a good color, for skins, i fear.
Maybe a very dark blue? Let see how comes the variant.
Then after this 2? what remain outside?
We msut find a good picture for a general and his bodyguard.
Must tell me how resemble a general of almoravides..
if the black isn't a good for skins you don't use it ok?you can do 1 thing,if you play the Medieval total war you remember the murabitin infantry,
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/hobby.one4/images%20site/Arabes/arabe2.jpg
you can use the same shield (simple shield)?
for the al moravide general they didn't hide there face,you can take this as a model:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/hobby.one4/images%20site/Arabes/youssouf.jpg
and use this links:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/hobby.one4/Kremlin.htm
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/hobby.one4/Almoravides.htm
the sources of arab medieval is too poor i didn't find something interresting,
if you want you can use:the opsrey publishing of "islam armies of the west:the moors".
https://img81.imageshack.us/img81/1239/fr10pe.th.jpg (https://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr10pe.jpg)
This is that lamtuna changed.
Now i change head at that berber.
https://img99.imageshack.us/img99/337/fr12mk.th.jpg (https://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr12mk.jpg)
Here i hope definitive berber cavalry. is on foot, but can mount, no problem.
Now i work some on the general, i guess
https://img238.imageshack.us/img238/7972/fr12gk.th.jpg (https://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr12gk.jpg)
https://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4124/fr22po.th.jpg (https://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr22po.jpg)
Here a wip general. what think about it?
ok the berber is good now i will i update the new shield,but the lamtuna we must search another shield or you can add the shield of murabitin infantry(simple shield).
Okay can change the shield, but want big one? i will put a simple wooden like shield, and see how come. So big shield, let hope wood come out okay.
the general is good,can you add spear with banner in the left of general?
Mmm, banner on general? I think must make a musician for banner.
Will study something. General dont use banner, i fear. But am not expert on that thing.
Need a general, a captain and a musician i think
Here a simple wooden shield.
https://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6531/fr17bq.th.jpg (https://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr17bq.jpg)
for the shield is not good,i don't know if you have another suggestion show me.you can see this form chivalry total war "murabitin infantry"
https://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=murabitin9id.jpg
yes we seed a capitain and camel musician
You like that shield? Can do similar, maybe rectangular shape.
Will see what can realize
Here is the other berber. infantry or mounted, dont know, can choose.
https://img307.imageshack.us/img307/4223/fr19rj.th.jpg (https://img307.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr19rj.jpg)
https://img307.imageshack.us/img307/4725/fr20ah.th.jpg (https://img307.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr20ah.jpg)
Now will try to add that shield of murabitin.
Here is with a similar shield.
https://img228.imageshack.us/img228/421/fr18mt.th.jpg (https://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr18mt.jpg)
for me the lamtuna is good,i will add a link in the progress list,for berber i have some critics,they didn' seem from berber or from islamic cultur.the problem with muslim is we didn't have ,but i find some picture
http://www.dutkins.com/catalog/photos/MA/1120.JPG
http://urduseek.com/images/heroes/ajdel.jpg
http://urduseek.com/images/heroes/somnath.jpg
http://www.sfusd.k12.ca.us/schwww/sch618/War/war3%20(converted).gif
http://www.sfusd.k12.ca.us/schwww/sch618/War/helmet.jpg
http://urduseek.com/images/heroes/sind.jpg
you can make them like that and add djelaba youwill find some of unit with djellabah in DBA armies(i forgot the link)
http://urduseek.com/images/heroes/sind.jpg
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/conquest1.jpg
http://urduseek.com/images/heroes/spain.jpg
http://urduseek.com/images/heroes/turkestan.jpg
http://urduseek.com/images/heroes/turks.jpg
http://urduseek.com/images/heroes/jerosalem.jpg
http://urduseek.com/images/heroes/mongols.jpg
and this is the pictur of sultan of morocco in the 19th ad i post it to give you idea about djellabah traditionnal moors clothes
http://urduseek.com/images/heroes/morocco.jpg
http://www.danheller.com/images/Africa/Morocco/Berbers/Slideshow/img2.html
with amamah
http://www.danheller.com/images/Africa/Morocco/Berbers/Slideshow/img3.html
http://d89156.i50.quadrahosting.com.au/images/ospmaa125.jpg
http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Moorish_Cavalry#
http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Army_of_Allah#
beauchamp
04-02-2006, 20:36
Awsome work everyone! Im really liking this faction alot, Can't wait to utilize these dudes to kick some Spanish a**.
Those berber i did on osprey plates.
https://img412.imageshack.us/img412/7013/fr14ad.th.jpg (https://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr14ad.jpg)
https://img154.imageshack.us/img154/7017/fr24sp.th.jpg (https://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr24sp.jpg)
This is what osprey say about andalusian cavalryman
https://img445.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thearmiesofislam7th11thcenturi.jpg
ok it's ok but dress him with some armor or cloaths and you can make berber cavalry like in oprey ok?
you can inspire inthis
http://www.dutkins.com/catalog/photos/MA/1120.JPG
and this link is usefull:about andalucians
http://www.dbaol.com/armies/army_103_figure_1.htm
and berbers(almoravides berbers units:):
http://www.dbaol.com/armies/army_125_figure_1.htm
http://www.dbaol.com/images/faces/1081_face.jpg
you can use this shield
Well, andalusian cavalry is exactly like in all those pictures, so i think can go for it.
Andalusian infantry i am doing one like i nthat plate, let see if like it.
Those berbers dont seems much berber, seems like all beduin I did till now.
Will change some the infantry berber, next.
Bye
Andalusian infantry, again based on that plate posted above.
https://img89.imageshack.us/img89/9638/fr19va.th.jpg (https://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr19va.jpg)
https://img129.imageshack.us/img129/5346/fr26am.th.jpg (https://img129.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr26am.jpg)
That are sources i have, else, can make them all covered in mail like in that site you posted.
please make some change berbers,for the andalucians infantry you should make them more influenced by arabs for example(all muslim must unit have the 'amamah) add turban('amamah)to the helmet(in the head)like this pictur:
http://www.dutkins.com/catalog/photos/MA/1120.JPG
This msut be the ramat al soudan, from senegal, archer, as written in unit list.
I hope will go, i like this unit :)
https://img119.imageshack.us/img119/9152/fr12ys.th.jpg (https://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr12ys.jpg)
It's very good what'is the next unit ?we should do arab noble cavalry?with this you can modify and add unit of berbers like that.
Here is the modified andalusian infantry. added the veil in the back
https://img471.imageshack.us/img471/744/fr13qq.th.jpg (https://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr13qq.jpg)
Mmm, must check that berber infantry, then can do an arab cavalry.
I dunno what missing from the list.
What doesnt like from this unit? (berber infantry)
https://img307.imageshack.us/img307/3726/fr16ke.th.jpg (https://img307.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr16ke.jpg)
Nacheras
04-03-2006, 18:29
Excellent imaging palissa, and excellent work, almazor.
Only my opinion: the unit you call "andalusian infantry" is my proposal for "rabita".
In this picture from Osprey that almazor mentioned
https://img445.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thearmiesofislam7th11thcenturi.jpg
I think the right low warrior will correspond to "rigal" infantry
The bowmen corresponds to "rumat al-sinniya".
At this direction mentioned almazor:
http://www.dbaol.com/armies/army_103_figure_1.htm
"cavalry" or "knights" correspond to "andalusian cavalry" (as you correctly create)
"spears" to "rigal"
"knights", with modifications (turbant, etc), can correspond to "arab noble cavalry".
And finally the almoravids were a puritanian factions into Islam. At least at first centuries they were very poor for their dresses, meaning the simplicity of the true believers, so the colours should be only black and dark blue, and perhaps, white (the bright colours were considered luxurius). And the shield had not images or decored: plain brown leather or cow skin.
In the other hand andalusians used very decorated shields with geometric motions.
thanks for the replays and also for the compliments,for the rumat al siniya not all that osprey publishing is right for the example the famous mistake of "arab tribes man"(the mistake is that tihs unit is too naked fo arab unit).
back to rumat al siniya:the objectif is make the rumat more influenced by arab(because they ruled spain under the umayyade).
for al moravide i agree with you,but for the elite unite we must add something to the shield because this elite unit(blak guard,almoravide warrior...)are the most well equiped unit in the army of almoravides and it's nice for the design of the game.for you proposal of rabita i will think of it and i will speak with palissa,your critics is wellcome and thanks for all.
This is my proposal for a arab cavalry, to complete this almoravides.
https://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1627/fr15en.th.jpg (https://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr15en.jpg)
https://img335.imageshack.us/img335/8419/fr22yu.th.jpg (https://img335.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr22yu.jpg)
Is kinda simple, but again, got from an osprey plates :)
This is black guard, if need change, must tell me what prefer.
Can add a spear as primary weapon, no problem
https://img467.imageshack.us/img467/8853/fr18jp.th.jpg (https://img467.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr18jp.jpg)
https://img467.imageshack.us/img467/4854/fr25ix.th.jpg (https://img467.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr25ix.jpg)
ok for the black guards if you add a long spear,
but for arab cavalry it seems like almoravides,you must change the turban(the ammamah to another colors like white),add some armor to it and a rounf little or tiny shield,and also a helmet(muslim type) in the head like another arabo-muslim armies.if you change all of this we will finishing this almoravides very soon
good work
we can use this flag for one of the muslm faction
http://malay.endera.info/images2/SaladinFlag.jpg
beauchamp
04-04-2006, 01:55
Salaam Alekum! Wonderful work!
Ok, can add an helmet over the turbant.
Shield can only add a buckler, on the left arm, because cant use bow and shield, of course.
Can add a chain mail also, or prefer a leather mail?
Let me know.
Also, how we do bodyguard? Similar armored to black guard?
I will do also that standard bearer, and then we need those camel drummer.
Or we need another unit instead, because drums dont have animation.
I maybe can add on a camel model, but dunno the result and how will go in game.
Let me know what do you think of it
for bodyguards ,the black guard was the bodyguard of the emir almoravides
we don't need to add a body guard.
for drumers and this is a pictur of drums
http://www.magictails.com/abydos/images/mid-east/hand-drums/large/nakers.jpg
if you can't add tell me.
if we can't do this unit we can do another unit.
the next step:berber infantry,arab light cavalry,camel Drummer.if we finish this we can says to almoravides bye bye and we can move to (andalus,fatimids,Abassides).
please do modification of arab light cavalry (add buckler),and berber infantry, and camel drummer is the last.
This is the arab cavalry, added helmet, chain mail, buckler.
https://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3773/fr25xe.th.jpg (https://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr25xe.jpg)
https://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8531/fr10nk.th.jpg (https://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr10nk.jpg)
What to change in that berber infantry? tell me what we need.
It has veil on the back, and an armor, and shield.
Tell me what wrong
the arab light cavalry,is good but replace the blue with white or red,for berber infantry you can make them like the rumat al sudan(shield of animal)?
Like rumat al sudan? mean black skin? or just the dress similar?
And weapons? need an armor?
Shield of animal skin is the most difficult i fear. need a very good picture to make good shield.
I thought berber was white skin color, not black. Give me more details :)
Here the camel drummer.
https://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4407/fr17or.th.jpg (https://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr17or.jpg)
And here the arab cavalry
https://img216.imageshack.us/img216/2364/fr19cu.th.jpg (https://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr19cu.jpg)
ok never mind,dress the berbers similar as the rumat al soudane,for animal shield if it's difficult don't do it ,you preserve the old one,add turban and helmet.
for weapons :shield,spear and a round shield.
we have to do now only the berber infantry ?congratulation good units
here berber infantry again. tried a strange animal skin shield :)
https://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1466/fr10tx.th.jpg (https://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr10tx.jpg)
https://img304.imageshack.us/img304/8934/fr20yo.th.jpg (https://img304.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr20yo.jpg)
the camel drummer will not use drums, of course, but at least have it on camel.
beauchamp
04-04-2006, 23:14
So will the capitol be at Granada then? Or perhaps in Algiers? I recently read a book about the Alhambra in Granada and the history of Islamic spain... and it seems to me that most of the Caliphs resided around their. Also, im starting to take Arabic and will be willing to help on any translations, but it seems like almazor has got it down.
the capital of al andalus under umayyade was cordoba "qurtubah"
under the almoravides was sevilla also almohades
granada was a capital of some taifa kingdom like banu ziri(berbers of sanhaja)
and after the fall of sevilla and cordoba =>granada was the capital of nasrid emirs arab dinasty who will ruled spain for 262 years.
Sudanese mercenary infantry (or slave infantry). Can be useful?
https://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9545/fr20ri.th.jpg (https://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr20ri.jpg)
https://img80.imageshack.us/img80/8339/fr11nu.th.jpg (https://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fr11nu.jpg)
beauchamp
04-05-2006, 23:20
Heres a unit Idea, but its a bit farfetched...
You could recruit Kanem-Bornu heavy cavalry from Mali.
I currently did some reasearch for Pike an Musket II about the West African kingdoms. Tell me what you think for these units (also, sorry the pictures are so big :sweatdrop: )
Heres the link: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=63026
BTW: Nice work!!!
ok for this unit you add a helmet and turban,i think it will be a fatimide unit i'm working on a unit list of abassides and olso fatimides.i need only 2 day to do a historical research,after that i will post the unit list,for i think that this pictur can be used for fatimide sudanese unit (and maybe for almoravides if we want add new unit) but add another faction is too dificult(in this periode they was an african empire of Ghana(pagan) but it almoravides crush it).
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