mtw-2 map

[bozkirsovalyesi]

https://img233.imageshack.us/img233/382/worldmap0on.png

europe - middle east - north africa - west asia.

[lancelot]

What on earth am I looking at here?

[TB666]

You forgot America:scastle:

[Divinus Arma]

Impressive. That really is spectacular.

[Duke John]

Where can I download this mod?

[Ser Clegane]

Is that a part of a MTW2-screenshot?

[bozkirsovalyesi]

https://img456.imageshack.us/img456/4200/kopyas305ms12009wp.png

[R'as al Ghul]

Is this a riddle? :dizzy2:

[TB666]

Is that a part of a MTW2-screenshot?
Nope, it is his version on how he think the MTW2 map will look like.
If it was a real picture then we would have seen a huge black spot towards the west.

[Dutch_guy]

Is this a riddle? :dizzy2:

I think we'd all like to know.

:balloon2:

[Divine Wind]

I got all excited when i saw this thread....oh well back to work.

:no:

[bozkirsovalyesi]

france
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https://img342.imageshack.us/img342/3893/fransa2567so.png
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[Don Corleone]

Never mind, it would appear our friend fixed his link.

[bozkirsovalyesi]

GERMANY- BENELUX - SWİSS - AUSTRİA



https://img338.imageshack.us/img338/3003/almanya2568dz.png

[Templar Knight]

What exactly is this? The official M2 map layout plan? :inquisitive:

[TB666]

What exactly is this? The official M2 map layout plan? :inquisitive:
Probably something he plans to mod or something.

[Dutch_guy]

What exactly is this? The official M2 map layout plan? :inquisitive:

No one other than the man himself knows...

I don't think he's going to let us in on his little secret any time soon...

:balloon2:

[bozkirsovalyesi]

my recommendations map.

for medieval total war-2
or rtw chivalric mod ....
or other mods ....

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my idea

europe = 116
west asia = 68
north africa = 24

total 208 province...
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polonia and tchekia - slovakia

https://img87.imageshack.us/img87/152/polonia6os.png

[bozkirsovalyesi]

espana and portugal

https://img129.imageshack.us/img129/8239/ispanya2560cf.png

[Antiochius]

very interesting your opinion of the provinces

[bozkirsovalyesi]

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TÜRKİYE & east agean island & kıbrıs
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https://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2159/trkiye2569ww.png

[bozkirsovalyesi]

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İRAN
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https://img363.imageshack.us/img363/3145/iran2569yy.png

[bozkirsovalyesi]

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PAKİSTAN & AFGANİSTAN
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https://img108.imageshack.us/img108/9546/pakistanveafganistan2566nx.png

[bozkirsovalyesi]

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nort arabia
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https://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8645/kuzeyaraplkeleri7hf.png

[bozkirsovalyesi]

nort east africa and south arabia
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https://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4840/douafrikavearabistan7qc.png

[Barbarossa1221]

Where is America on the main map of your first post?
But other than that looks pretty solid.

[bozkirsovalyesi]

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Scandinavia and Baltics
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https://img58.imageshack.us/img58/9331/iskandinavyavebalt305k0re.png

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[Diurpaneus]

:inquisitive: ~:confused: :coffeenews:

[lars573]

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TÜRKİYE & east agean island & kıbrıs
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https://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2159/trkiye2569ww.png
If this is really going to be for a M2TW or a edieval mod you need to change those names to Greek forms/versions and Istanbul needs to be Constantinople.

[Weebeast]

Interesting...

That's a huge amount of provinces to conquer. I wouldn't mind at all if the devs use this as guideline though. Assuming people play to conquer the whole thing, 400 turns seem to be enough time.

[The_Doctor]

It looks quite good.

Maybe you should show it to the Medieval Auctoriso team.

[bozkirsovalyesi]

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Auctoriso team .... ???

where auctoriso team..?

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balkans states.

https://img104.imageshack.us/img104/3950/balkanlkeleri2hv.png

[NodachiSam]

Is this complete conjecture or do you have some inside source on this? Otherwise... I'll wait and see.

[cutepuppy]

Is this complete conjecture or do you have some inside source on this? Otherwise... I'll wait and see.

complete conjecture, I guess.

[Ludens]

Is this complete conjecture or do you have some inside source on this? Otherwise... I'll wait and see.

my recommendations map.
He is just posting his ideas of how the map should look. It is an impressive amount of work, and I would certainly like it if the M2:TW was this detailed, but I don't agree with every choice. For example, why add Chalkis and the Ionian isles, but not other more important Grecian cities? How come all of the current Netherlands be Frisian? Oh, and it is Constantinople, not Istanbul.

[The_Doctor]

where auctoriso team..?

Here:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=61488

[Alexanderofmacedon]

America? Will the Americas be in MTW2?

[bozkirsovalyesi]

Ludens:

I to make provinces and borders ...
suitable real historical borders.
not big cityes.

My maps to be .. this my logic - my ideas

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Alexanderofmacedon:


mtw-2 america....

piece of nonsense.
many nonsense.

[bozkirsovalyesi]

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İTALY
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https://img113.imageshack.us/img113/6029/italya3ei.png

[Ludens]

I to make provinces and borders ...
suitable real historical borders.
not big cityes.

My maps to be .. this my logic - my ideas
And quite impressive ideas they are. I merely pointed out some obvious errors. Especially calling Constantinople Istanbul is a mistake that even someone as ignorant of history as I can see.

[ArnoldLol]

wow...

but what is it?

[bozkirsovalyesi]

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MAGRİB (northwest africa)
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https://img328.imageshack.us/img328/1356/magrip4sq.png

[bozkirsovalyesi]

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GREAT BRİTANİA and İRELAND
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https://img87.imageshack.us/img87/5593/britanya2561yl.png


MY RECOMMENDATİONS MAPS...

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[Riadach]

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GREAT BRİTANİA and İRELAND
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https://img227.imageshack.us/img227/783/britanya2563cj.png



MY RECOMMENDATİONS MAPS...

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Seems more pragmatic than historically accurate. But you could replace connachta with leath coinn and laigin with leath mogha, hence maintaining the convenience of two provinces and throwing in some historical accuracy as well.

[Lusted]

Plus nottingham would be more appropriate than leicester of england.

[Vladimir]

It looks like Wessex should be Sussex :laugh4: . Good maps though. I can see the logic of having the islands be separate (groups of) provinces.

[bozkirsovalyesi]

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My basic. map historic-real borders.

all maps:

only important -- suitable ( for great map suitable ) -- large -- provinces and cityes.

and "countryes populations" balances "provinsces number"

A.D. 1200 staticks.

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Riadach:

in ireland.

connachta = your name recommendation.?

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Lusted:

mercia capita l= nottingham ..?

that map... nottingham in anglia.

mercia history real capital = leichester

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Vladimir:

wessex more great provinces.

in mtw-1 that place wessex.

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total 208 provinces.

"countryes populations" balances "provinsec number"
and territorial greatness and strategic location.


A.D. 1346 populations:

germany and austria = 19 provinces ..... but ( friesia- lorreine- brabant- swiss- bohemia exluded = 15 )
only germany and austria populations: 14.000.000

france = 14 provinces ..... but ( including corsica- lorreine- burgonia- provence )
all france populations: 15.000.000

italy = 9 provinces ........ but ( corsica and malta exluded )
populations: 10.000.000

hungary = 5 provinces ( including croatia )
populations: 5.000.000

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more good adjusment for: I think income balance.

[Riadach]

well

leath cuinn- would equal connacht/ ulster so you could place the capital there at tuaim capital of the kingdom of connacht which had dominance in the 12th century or tara which was the tradtional capital of all of ireland, and of the powers at the start of th 11th century.

leath mogha i would place a political capital at caiseal but as regards trading dubh linn would be more important.

[bozkirsovalyesi]

riadach:

ireland ...?
ok.?

[Lentonius]

Well, you never know, maybe in MTW2 they will introduce a new campaign map style... There could be more settlements, or castles, or 2 settlements in a province... unfortunately we just don't know yet...

[bozkirsovalyesi]

https://img20.imageshack.us/img20/791/araz3046sw.png

[bozkirsovalyesi]

https://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5338/9250od.png

https://img445.imageshack.us/img445/1434/10001an.png

https://img506.imageshack.us/img506/6894/10306pe.png

https://img391.imageshack.us/img391/5439/10718ig.png

https://img77.imageshack.us/img77/8209/10923mb.png

https://img65.imageshack.us/img65/5549/11001sd.png

[Riadach]

like the altered map. except can you bring the black line down closer to dublin, it doesn't need to go up like that. It should just level off
and could you replace laigin with leath mogha?

[Parokkikala]

Turku should be the capital of Finland at this point instead of Helsinki, which was founded in 1550.

[bozkirsovalyesi]

ok.
I correction.

but in ireland: anyway leath cuinn % 55 - 60 earth
leath mogha % 40 - 45 earth ...

so good border.

[edyzmedieval]

Actually, he's a turk.

Didn't you see that all provinces were in Turkish? Istanbul.... :laugh4:
Plus lots of errors.

By the way, what's Perecen in Moldavia? Ask any romanian on this forum, no one ever heard of Perecen.

And, you even have a Turkish mistake. For Moldavia, it's Karabogdan, not only Bogdan. :no:

[bozkirsovalyesi]

I for obstinacy turkish names.

today (2006) yet western maps write constantinopol.

I write for obstinacy all turkish names.
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pereçen:

peçenek (patzinaks) castle. 11. and 12. centurys peçenek castle.
after kuman (cuman) castle. in boğdan.
yet existing historic maps.
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boğdan or karaboğdan:
just both.

kara + boğdan .....
kara = black .... but
black = this place meaning: bottom, under, low.
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you want bizantium total war for to benefit my map recomendations?

[edyzmedieval]

Moldavia was half Cuman... Half no man's land.
Wallachia was Pecheneg, but only for a short time.

[Riadach]

one mistake with the leath mogha map. its missing out on the clare peninsula. on the west just above the border that peninsula there should be in leath mogha, should compensate for the 50-50 effect. borderline is basically a straight line across along the old slige riada

[bozkirsovalyesi]

I foundation borders real historic borders.

not province borders.

east and south ireland 10. century norway invasion (dublin norsks)
and 12. - 13. - 14. century east ireland english invasion.

I so to adjust.

[Gazi Husrev-Beg]

Bozkirsovalyeski,that is some nice additions...but i think they have developed most of the map already.They wont even add Bosna and it was first european country to use gunpowder...that is how they have helped Dubrovnik (city state) against Venetianz.

[Joshwa]

If they put every province on that people want there would be far far too many. For a start, there wouldnt be enough physical room to fit your units on the map! I honestly think the number they have at the moment in MTW is spot on, not too many, not too few. A few more factions, like 5 or so, would be good, but thats about it

[spain_medieval]

https://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5338/9250od.png

https://img445.imageshack.us/img445/1434/10001an.png

https://img506.imageshack.us/img506/6894/10306pe.png

https://img391.imageshack.us/img391/5439/10718ig.png

https://img77.imageshack.us/img77/8209/10923mb.png

https://img65.imageshack.us/img65/5549/11001sd.png



very well all the maps, congratulations.


They are correct historical maps:book: VERY WELL !!


The kingdom of SPAIN:

- Kingdom of Leon and Castile CORRECT, WELL.

http://www.dhistoria.com/web/img/heraldica-91.jpg

-Kingdom of Navarre CORRECT, WELL TOO.

http://www.dhistoria.com/web/img/heraldica-102.jpg


All the maps are correct, good work !!

[Jolt]

Meh, Portugal won't and shouldn't have just one province. They had 1 million population in the country, enough to match the size of Poland's population. Plus, how could one province like that colonize a good part of the african coast, another good part of the indian coast (For 1 million pop), some islands in Modern Indonesia and the totality of the brazilian coast? Meh, they should have at least three provinces.

[spain_medieval]

Meh, Portugal won't and shouldn't have just one province. They had 1 million population in the country, enough to match the size of Poland's population. Plus, how could one province like that colonize a good part of the african coast, another good part of the indian coast (For 1 million pop), some islands in Modern Indonesia and the totality of the brazilian coast? Meh, they should have at least three provinces.

The conquests of Portugal of America and Africa?
Of which year these speaking?

What your these never counting happen in this game.:dizzy2:

[bozkirsovalyesi]

UP
my recommendations map

[Ignoramus]

Ah, you've been using Colin McEvedy's book, "The New Penguin Atlas of Medieval History."

[4th Dimension]

Ehh as far as I know Medival History of Balkans if you vant to be correct, Bosnia shouldn't exit there out to the sea. A province named Zeta should be where curently Montenegro is.

[SirGrotius]

While this thread started out humorously, it's become tragic now that we know we are to expect about 10% of the provinces shown here.

[sun]

If this is really going to be for a M2TW or a edieval mod you need to change those names to Greek forms/versions and Istanbul needs to be Constantinople.



I think it's not so important . In that years , Istanbul (Constantinople) was under the protection Ottoman Empire . So it's name was Istanbul .

[JR-]

is there going to be a higher density of provinces per given area than the original M:TW?

ie, France will have six subdivisions in M2:TW rather than the five subdivisions found in M:TW.

[econ21]

... it's become tragic now that we know we are to expect about 10% of the provinces shown here.

I am sure there will be in-depth mods, although I rather suspect they might be more geographically focussed - creating a quality mod with 9x as many provinces is a lot of work.

Personally, I've always been relaxed about having small numbers of provinces. The whole of TW is an abstraction, so I would think in terms of gameplay rather than historical fidelity here. I prefer fighting fieldbattles to sieges. IMO, having large open spaces as in BI, is more fun than "settlement" hoping, as in RTR. I'm ok with just sieging London, Nottingham & York without having to also get through Oxford, Norwich, Leicester, Bristol, Lincoln, Lancaster, ... (almost ad infinitem). If you did want the latter, a mod focussing just on England - e.g. the War of the Roses or Simon de Montforts rebellion etc might be most suitable.

[Bakma]

Bozkirsovalyeski nice maps!

i would realy like to see central asia iran and europe on the map in M2:TW
and also the safavids timurids and moghuls als playable civs.

[bozkirsovalyesi]

Thiefs: :furious3: :furious3:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1534254#post1534254

[Marcus Camillus]

Thiefs: :furious3: :furious3:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1534254#post1534254

I would be careful there with accusations like that. The RTR7 campaign map design dates back to end of 2005 to beginning of 2006, predating your ideas here by a year or so. The only thief would be yourself, but RTR does not take such a shallow approach to the TW modding community, neither does the Total War Center Forums.

Besides, the tilted-axis approach to designing a campaign map goes back even farther. An old favorite wargame of mine, Imperium Romanum II (and its predecessor, Imperium Romanum), designed by a company named West End Games, dates back to 1979 for Imperium Romanum, and to 1985 for Imperium Romanum II. Both the 1st and 2nd edition of this game were designed by Albert A. Nofi.

Back when RTR was deciding on a new campaign map for RTR7, and the idea of using a tilted-axis approach to the campaign map was being discussed, I pointed out it would be a great idea, which was used by one of my favorite wargames, long before most people designing RTR, or most RTW mods for that matter, were even born, let alone out of elementary school.

Here a screenshot of the Imperium Romanum map...
http://images.boardgamegeek.com/images/pic36518_md.jpg

Here is a screenshot of the Imperium Romanum II map...
http://images.boardgamegeek.com/images/pic10924.jpg

This was an awesome wargame in its time, covering the period of Romans with 35 scenarios dealing with everything from the Roman Civil Wars to Rome's many wars against various other foreign nations. Back when I played this wargame, computer games were still confined to very simple affairs or were located on university mainframes that I had used during my school years.

I played the game in a wargame club, where we used either the simple abstract tactical combat system of the game for battles, or another tactical-oriented wargame or a miniatures wargame to fight out our battles, importing the results back to the strategic scale of Imperium Romanum II.

Here are a few other photos of the game. This is the game's box cover...
http://images.boardgamegeek.com/images/pic10922.jpg

Here is a photo of the game being enjoyed by wargaming enthusiasts like myself...
http://images.boardgamegeek.com/images/pic145342_lg.jpg

So, in the end, this map concept is fairly old, nearly as old as myself. :laugh4: The new campaign map being developed for RTR7 is not yours or in anyway related to any files, materials, or ideas of yours. The RTR7 campaign map was created by the excellent work of a fellow modder, and RTR7 development team member, named Muizer.

So, cool down and be glad the many RTW modding community members are not crying foul to your false accusations, as warranted as their response may be.

[Whacker]

This thread is a severe victim of necromancy. :dizzy2:

[Moral55]

I am vary sure you forgot Venice.

[Augustus Lucifer]

This thread is a severe victim of necromancy. :dizzy2:

It would seem so, but truly it is not:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1534254#post1534254

The thread creator recently posted in the RTR team forums, and Marcus Camillus is merely responding in the thread he was linked to after finding the culmination of the accusation towards the end.

All the Best,
Chris
Achtung! 0v3rl0rD

[sapi]

Necro ~:(

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