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Yep thats right another god damn mod about Vikings but Vikings are that cool!
Ok so my mod overs the time period about 840AD to 1066AD, this covers the period when the Vikings secede mierly to be privates and raiders but started to settle in the British isles and the East.
In this time period populations begun to settle once more, the Frankish Kingdoms begun to be more defined France in the west and Germany in the east. The rise of the russo-slavic State of Kiev.
And there weren't just Scandivian riaders either, out of the hungryian plains came the Maygar who Raided the Frankish kingdoms throughout the 9th and 10th century.
Factions
Vikings
Norwegians
Danes
Swedes
Anglo-Saxons
Wessex
Northumbria
Merica
Celts
Welsh
Picts
Irish
Scots
Franks
Western Francia (Kingdom of Charles)
Mid Francia (Kingdom of Lothar)
Eastern Francia (Kingdom of Lewis)
Slavs
Poles
Bohemians (maybe)
Others
Maygar
Rus
Emerging
Normans
Campaign map
https://img133.imageshack.us/img133/4573/campaignmap001rz.th.jpg (https://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=campaignmap001rz.jpg)
It is a bit of a compromise but i think it works.
It still needs some more twecking but its almost there, might add some more provences
Units
https://img83.imageshack.us/img83/2753/thegns0zw.jpg
Saxon Thegns
https://img82.imageshack.us/img82/3673/greaterfryd8ty.jpg
Greater Fryd
https://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8646/landsmen9oa.jpg
Viking Landsmen
https://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6794/karls5mq.jpg
Viking Karls
I have some more units but i like to keep things close to my chest
Anyway other than getting some info about my mod out I would also like some suggests at the moment I am not sure what do do with the Swedes, in hisotry they were the ones who conquered in the East but by 838 the Rus state had been founded so I was thinking they would Conquered Finland?
And any suggests for other Slavic peoples like the Pechneg or the Kipchaks?
Pantsalot
06-23-2006, 17:39
wow this mod might actually last & not like the others
Great work on u're head start:2thumbsup:
great concept ,hope we ll play it someday,keep the good work on
Another viking mod!
Heh, those units you modelled or reskinned vanilla?
I see some vanilla shield there :)
Anyway good luck, I wonder how far it will go.
Bye
It will be fun, another Viking mod~:cheers:
Looking forward to it
:viking:
Iam hoping to release in August
Heh, those units you modelled or reskinned vanilla?
I see some vanilla shield there :)
Yeah when your a one man team its one of the only way, thats the compromise, however being a one man teams means i will probably finish.
To set the record straight iam quite a competent modeller ~;p
http://www.teestainstudios.co.uk/RTW/panzer4.jpg
This is an old Panzer VI i did a while ago, its not in this mod but it is an example of purely my work.
http://www.teestainstudios.co.uk/RTW/panzer4_squadron.jpg
the rotates did turn btw.
I plan on release some pics of some picts on sunday
P.S. thanks for he support
Myrmidon Warrior
06-24-2006, 14:02
I am a huge Viking fan. Hoping the mod gets completed. You are well on the way to another enjoyable mod.
Thanks!
Wasnt any critic :)
If want help for something, just call. I have many models to skin :)
Rus vikings - this is joke - nonsens ....
rus -or russ or ros - peoples (slavs) from place river ros ( near dniepr ) river - kievan russ:book:
rus -or russ or ros - peoples (slavs) from place river ros ( near dniepr ) river - kievan russ
I can see that you are from ukraine so iam guessing you have some nationialist baised, but there is alot of evident to say that the rus and russian state were very scandinavian
And need i menion Rurik or Roric of Jutland
But if it makes SOOO much diffence they can be in Misc because they arn't Slavs and they arn't Vikings
this is just theory -not historical ....
yes slavs heave aliance with vikings (and call vikings -varyazy or varjagi)/ also heave some vikings liders in kiev - but 99.9 % peoples in kievan rus this is slavs nations - not vikings germanic.
all slavs langv. identical - ukraine or poland or czesh or horvat or russian-or any slavs - this is not germanic langv...
but the Rus were germans yes the majority of the people were slavs but the upper class were german. Then agian the Slavs are Germanic (well use to be) as well.
In England it is a simplier situation most "Anglo-Saxons" were not racially germanic but they speak germanic languages and had germanic culture. Just the ruling classes that was germanic.
But anyway!
Some "celtic" units, they are not racially the same the irish/scots, picts or welsh however they were Culturialy celtic ~:p
https://img47.imageshack.us/img47/9822/pictwarriors7ov.th.jpg (https://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pictwarriors7ov.jpg)
Pictish Warriors
https://img501.imageshack.us/img501/6677/pictarmouredspearmen2af.th.jpg (https://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pictarmouredspearmen2af.jpg)
Pictish Armoured Spearmen
https://img525.imageshack.us/img525/2294/irishdartmen3qc.th.jpg (https://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=irishdartmen3qc.jpg)
Irish Dartmen
https://img524.imageshack.us/img524/526/celticwarband4rl.th.jpg (https://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=celticwarband4rl.jpg)
Celtic Warband
edyzmedieval
06-30-2006, 22:29
Why don't you help Age of Vikings and Fanatics TW? We desperately need help.
Why don't you help Age of Vikings and Fanatics TW? We desperately need help.
Or Combine Projects into one unified project or go with the present 2 different but simillar projects
:idea2:
Btothexicus Maximus
07-02-2006, 01:51
You already have a campaign map done! That's a solid assurnace that this mod is wlel wonderway! And the untis look excellent!
Err... looks a lot like BI to me.
King of Atlantis
07-02-2006, 06:22
In England it is a simplier situation most "Anglo-Saxons" were not racially germanic but they speak germanic languages and had germanic culture. Just the ruling classes that was germanic.
But anyway!
Some "celtic" units, they are not racially the same the irish/scots, picts or welsh however they were Culturialy celtic ~:p
https://img47.imageshack.us/img47/9822/pictwarriors7ov.th.jpg (https://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pictwarriors7ov.jpg)
Pictish Warriors
https://img501.imageshack.us/img501/6677/pictarmouredspearmen2af.th.jpg (https://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pictarmouredspearmen2af.jpg)
Pictish Armoured Spearmen
https://img525.imageshack.us/img525/2294/irishdartmen3qc.th.jpg (https://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=irishdartmen3qc.jpg)
Irish Dartmen
https://img524.imageshack.us/img524/526/celticwarband4rl.th.jpg (https://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=celticwarband4rl.jpg)
Celtic Warband
Very nice, but Irish Dartmen aren't really historical. Every Irish soldier would carry a "dart" as a secondary weapon, but there was never any group that relied upon them soley.
Not to say you can't use them in your mod, just offering some historical feedback.
Regardless, this is a very cool mod and I wish you the best of luck. Some of the units do look BI as said, but hell a mod with BI-like units is better than a mod not finished so I say keep up the good work mate.
Very nice, but Irish Dartmen aren't really historical. Every Irish soldier would carry a "dart" as a secondary weapon, but there was never any group that relied upon them soley.
Yeah i have got quite stuck on the celts in general, the dartmen are from MTW so, thats how stuck i was, but never mind i set out to make a mod not write a history essay.
I am working on the Russians at the moment, i can't wait to get the screen shots up, they look pretty kick arse! but i will hold off to friday.
PMed you with some things on the appearance of Gaels at a request of some one who noticed the mod, mentioned you needed some help with 'Celts'. 'Celtic' units would no longer exist, and the Gaels (Irish and Scots) wouldn't have remotely the same type of soldiers as the Welsh (Celtic Britons who had been heavily affected by Romans and then Saxons to an extent) or Picts (though the Picts were steadily more 'Gaelic', but they were largely un-Romanized British Celts). For one, Gaels never fought shirtless; they wore long shirts, and their professionals (the body of the Cliarthairi) didn't wear trousers of any kind (those were for low class soldiers only). 'Darts' were used by the Ceithernn (the 'warband'; the non-professional levies) as a weapon for skirmishing or before charging. They'd wear thigh length shirts, with tights (trac or trews) and shoes. The Cliarthairi used larger, heavier throwing spears, and wore cloaks with plaid, stripes, or checkers. There was a professional, organized body of the military (Cliarthairi, the professional local soldiers drawn from the Ocaire and Boaire, and Buanna, mercenaries drawn from other sources, and supplied by the Cliarthairi with arms and equipment). None of the names mentioned so far would be single units; they're very broad terms that encapsulate portions of the military. The most advanced would be Aire, nobles, and specifically Arras, the bodyguards of the higher nobles, and the Deaisbard, the bodyguards of lower nobles. They'd wear the most armor, be the most disciplined, etc., and they'd fight on foot. They would not look like Welsh soldiers, who had adopted a lot of 'Roman' caveats, and still possessed Romano-British inspirations in some weapons and armor. For one, Gaels were never that similar to Britons anyway; while Britons (along with Belgae, Gauls, and the non-Celtic Cruithni) had once inhabitted Ireland, they had been conquered by Basque-blooded Iberians and Aquitannians, who had an entirely different culture. The ensuing cultural mesh created Gaels, who had a different language, different clothing, different weapons, etc. Gaels are at most 'demi-Celtic', in that they had large portions of Celtic culture, but much of their culture was thoroughly Iberian or pre-Celtic Irish in extraction (they're usually just simplified and called 'Celts', because the actual origin of the Irish gets very confusing due to the huge number of invasions and successive cultural waves that created them).
Your provinces in Ireland and Scotland could use a lot of work, as well. Belfast didn't exist (founded by the English much, much later). 'Ulster' technically was divided into a few kinglets, and very disunified (that is, where as Leinster, Meath, Connacht, and Munster each had united kingdoms composed of sub-kings, like an Irish microcosm). The arguable 'capitol' of Ulster would be Ard Macha (Armagh), which was the seat of the church in Ireland, or Emain Macha (Navan), but it was falling out of use. Dublin is placed in wholely the wrong place; it'd be in Meath, and it didn't exist until the Norse invasions, AND it wasn't that important a city for a long time (not till the Norse lost Wexford and Wicklow to Gaelicized Norse lords who swore fealty to the king of Leinster). The key fort in Meath was the 'capitol of Ireland', Teamhair (called Tara by the Norse); Dublin was founded in eastern Meath, south of the river, over the town of Atha Cliath (which would be present), in the land known as 'Brega' (once inhabitted by the Brythonic Brigantes tribe, from which comes the name). It's where the high kings were crowned and several ruled from there. Leinster, a better city might be Wexford, if you don't mind it being post Norse invasion. It was a key port. However, the 'capitol' would be Ferns, which is probably the most realistic choice, as it was the seat of the rulers of Leinster. The capitol of Connacht was Taum, and the on-and-off capitol of Munster was the fort of Casiel, which was a royal residence and fortress. Also, the 'Scots' (they weren't called that yet) did not control Ulster by any stretch; they had control of a tiny strip of the coast. Ulster was technically under rule of the Ui Neill families, though they were still often pretty displeased with one another and the region was arguably then 'indepedent'. Also, if you have a generic 'Irish' faction, please don't start them in Leinster; Leinster allied with the Norse. A better choice would be Munster, the kingdom of Brian Boru (and used the actual flag of Ireland at the time; three crowns on a blue field, not the gold harp on a green field). Munster would, incidentally, be the best developed province in Ireland; it was free of major succession wars for centuries and was very well developed. However, Leinster, Ulster, and Munster would both have 'paved roads' in them already (the major wood highways had been in place for centuries).
Edinburgh was a part of Northumbria, and the region (Lothian) was inhabitted by Anglo-Saxons, not Picts. The capitol of Gaelic Alba was Dunadd. Alcluyd was a seperate kingdom entirely, and the fortress of Alcluyd was not controlled by Gaels, but by Britons (the Strathclyders). The city on Mann at the time should probably be Caer Roisin or Dun Roisin, and be inhabited by Gaelic soldiers as rebels. The 'Scots' and 'Irish' would have the same types of soldiers (there was not nearly enough difference in their militaries to justify otherwise at the time; the Scots were effectively Irishmen who inhabitted Britain at the time). Both Ireland and Scotland could be divided up much more (and should be at least a bit; both had very complex political climates, and the kingdoms in those regions were actually pretty powerful at the time, and pretty well developed; Brian's 'first army' (the regiments from Munster) alone outnumbered the Norse army of Dublin, even when allies and reinforcements and mercenaries were factored in, and that was only about a 1/6th of what he could have mustered in total). All of southern Britain was not part of Wessex yet; Cornwall was indepedent still. The map could really use many provinces added over much of it, except the thinly populated regions (of which would not include the British Isles, which had relatively large populations). Europe could surely use a few more.
Oh woah your a real history buff!
i have read your post and i know alot of what you have said, on the campaign front i have already admitted:
It still needs some more twecking but its almost there, might add some more provences
I am probably going to add alot more provences but after a while it just gets INSANE i have to draw the line somewhere i could make ireland 15 provences.
on the "citys" front when i put the map together for convience i just used modern citys names or an old one i found. (for example i know edinburgh is an anglo-saxon place because a BURGH is an anglo saxon word for fortified settlement)
you didn't point out dumfries is about 50 miles to far east
About England i am having lots of provences for the same reason in RTW that italy has lots of provences, because its an interesting place. Once I am finished france might look just as carved up
I only have 84 provonves right now so I could go mental! i still have 170 provences to play with :laugh4:
On the Irish (Gael) front i have never heard the Iberian connection before! i had heard of an Baques-Welsh connection.
You have given me alot of useful info which will use to put the Gaels, the Britons and the Picts in order. Thanks for the feed back.
The Basque-Welsh connection is far more tenuous; in truth, the genetic connection either comes from Silures (who were very Celtic culturally), or from later Irish invasion (the Irish at one point controlled Dyfedd, but the area was still 'Welsh' in culture; just, it had Irish nobility). The connection in Ireland is far more plain; the old Irish graves reveal people who are genetically Basque generally. But the genetics aren't even the important part, it's the kind of culture they lived in. Gaels were very distinct from Welsh; people didn't assume them even related at all for a very long time (discounting Roman accounts of Britons in Ireland; that would be because Britons inhabitted certain portions of Ireland rather late, but the Gaels eventually overcame them culturally). Of a related note, Gaels would have much bigger shields; big round or long oval shields, and many regular soldiers fought in tight supported formations; the shieldwall in BI would do that well enough (it wasn't exactly the same thing necessarily, but very close). Picts can use some Gaelic models, but they'd not be the same units. Some Picts would also fight shirtless and such, like old Celtic warriors (which many effectively were). Have you given consideration to Gall Gaedhil soldiers though?
And yes, a much more divided up map, with more accurate cities would be nice to see (I understand the necessity of having a 'working' map though, just to tinker with); however, the region Edinburgh is in currently, regardless of what town you would use there, was still part of Northumbria; when the Danes conquered the area that would then be the Danelaw, the Northumbrians largely retreated there, becoming a rump kingdom called Dumbarton or Lothian, which was eventually absorbed by the Gaelic kingdom of Alba (Scotland was actually a Saxon name; Gaels never called themselves 'Scots'; Scotti was a Romano-British term). A realistic Gaelic unit list would be nice too; VI did them horridly. 'Highlanders'? Before the creation of Scotland? Nonsense. Highlanders couldn't exist before Scotland was actually a kingdom; all highlanders were were the Gaels of Scotland (the lowlands were inhabited by Britons and 'Englisc'; Anglo-Saxons and then Normans). Oh, and 'Bonnachts'; a Bonnach is not a type of soldier. It is a generic term meaning any paid, professional soldier (thus all Buanna, mercenaries, and Cliarthairi, troopers/regular soldiers). Buanna and Cliarthairi aren't names for individual troops either, but they're a lot more concise than 'bonnacht'. And the 'Scots' and 'Irish' would have the same unit lists realistically at the time, but in VI the Scots were like a generic rehash of other 'British' factions, and the Irish had a unique but pretty nonsensical unit list (like gallowglass; they didn't exist till the high middle ages) that was a clear product of poor research (we actually know a great deal about the military organization of Gaels).
Right ok so if i had a Gaelic unit list somethink like
Musterfield
Gaelic Peasants (filler unti, i am still not sure how i want to structure the mod yet)
Barracks 2
Fianna (warband of youths, axe or sword, javalins)
Cliarthairi Spearmen (light spearmen)
Barracks 3
Ceithernn Levy (better version of the Fianna)
Barracks 4
Deaisbard (Armoured Spearmen)
Barracks 5
Arras (Elite hand to hand unit)
On the Russian front i have a few units that i am going to spare (and some Iam not)
https://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5863/tribesman0ys.jpg
Slavic Tribesmen
https://img342.imageshack.us/img342/2053/russpearmen5tv.jpg
Rus Spearmen
https://img417.imageshack.us/img417/7330/druzhina5wp.jpg
Druzhina Infantry
Fianna is a name of an old warrior brotherhood that is semi-legendary, and that in reality hadn't existed for at least three centuries by the time the vikings invaded.
A warband (the literal meaning of Ceithernn) should never be superior to Cliarthairi; Cliarthairi are professional soldiers. The Ceithernn is just a levy. Additionally, a Ceithernn should never carry swords, and in most cases not even axes. They were typically just spearmen with darts to throw. The upper Ceithernn was called the Fianadi, which were semi-regular infantry (but were still less than the Cliarthairi). The Fianadi would potentially be armed with swords, but most of them would still be spearmen. However, they would wear a padded jacket (an ionar). Cliarthairi are NOT light soldiers; they are regulars who wore heavy quilted coats (acton). Just because it's not metal doesn't mean it's light. An acton can repel a huge amount of force, and was known for completely displacing the force behind most smaller or lighter ranged weapons, and generally had to be engage by stabbing through their armor, or using heavier javelins. Cliarthairi used spears as well, but also used swords and formed other types of shock infantry, and used throwing spears, where as the Ceithernn used lighter darts and much less armor. No Gaelic unit should lack some ranged weapon though; all classes used something to give distance. However, the order of soldiers by class, from lowest to highest class, was:
Ceithernn (any type of levied, non-professional warband; skirmishers, light infantry, archers, scouting cavalry, and slingers were in this)
Fianadi (any semi-professional warband that drilled; like the lower Ceithernn except they wore light padded coats, sometimes helmets, and sometimes fought as shock infantry)
Cliarthairi/Buanna (disciplined, professional paid soldiers/mercenaries, fought almost entirely as various forms of shock and line infantry or as cavalry, known as Marcshula)
Cliarthairimor ('Great Troopers', meaning the selected best of the Cliarthairi; would wear mail or scale armor of some kind usually in place of an acton, otherwise similar to Clairthairi)
Deaisbard (bodyguards of lesser nobles)
Arras (bodyguards of upper nobles)
Gaels didn't have peasants (the social structure of Gaelic society didn't produce what we would recognize as peasants, as it was highly mobile). They had the 'Fine' and those below them; that is, Free-Men, and servants, but they were all of relatively the same class, and would look pretty much the same way. Also, 'Ceithernn Levy' is redundant. All Ceithernn are a levy; that's the idea. The name is translated to 'Warband' usually, but can also mean 'Levy'. They're just levied members of the Fine, armed hastily (most often with a spear), given a few darts, and a cheap shield.
Another Friday another four units to show off
https://img55.imageshack.us/img55/7966/irishskrimishers1hq.jpg
Ceithernn skirmishers
https://img466.imageshack.us/img466/3261/clithernn8ra.jpg
Cliarthairi in padded armour
https://img124.imageshack.us/img124/7688/buanna9oh.jpg
Buanna armed with 'Expanded' swords
https://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3198/frankpeasants4zc.jpg
And some Frankish Peasants
Looks decent, though the Buanna's swords look oversized. Irish swords were pretty small affairs (even their version of a Celtic 'longsword' was relatively short). Also, the Ceithernn should be wearing tights (it'd not be remodelling, trews are skin-tight, just some skin work); any warband would (but not the Cliarthairi, Buanna, or nobles; all the warbands, including the Fianadi, did though). Remember that Buanna should be mercenaries and available to anyone (though mainly in Ireland; however, Buanna worked in Britain and northern Europe as well), and there were multiple kinds of Buanna (as a Buanna is any mercenary); they would, more or less, represent Gaelic mercenaries, which were prevalent, and could compose an entire army if one really desired (at least some cheap Buanna skirmishers off of your Ceithernn model would round them out). The Buanna would also have throwing spears, like other Gaels. I like your Cliarthairi, their acton look well, and I like the cloaks. Be careful of too many beards on Gaelic units for Scots and Irish though; the Gaels didn't wear beards that often unless a bit wealthy (since they wanted servants to help maintain it). It looks fine on this Cliarthairi though. The Buanna would also wear cloaks (even the poorer ones generally wore a cloak).
Will religion work the same way as total war ro will you take a differant path with it?
Tzar Vladimir
09-09-2006, 14:03
Is this Mod I wish still alive?
max_minimod
09-20-2007, 04:05
yes, I wonder too if this is alive:
Let's make a joint?
https://img50.imageshack.us/img50/9457/vikbanner1vikinginvasioxy5.jpg
a new Darkage/Vikingmod recruiting now: modders, skinners, historians (http://http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=119455)
max_minimod
09-20-2007, 04:30
error in link, should work now:
https://img50.imageshack.us/img50/9457/vikbanner1vikinginvasioxy5.jpg
a new Darkage/Vikingmod recruiting now: modders, skinners, historians (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=119455)
This is a really promising looking mod; i love the campaign map and the mod subject. The units look well sweet, and i for one would LOVE to play it, i just hope it gets completed :)
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