The Renaisance World: Total War

[richyg13]

Mod Build: 0.1 Development Period
Engine: M2TW

This mod is based on the original concept by Lonely Soldier, his idea to create a whole playable world from the dawn of time to the modern day. The concept has wittled down in scale somewhat to a new start date of 1453, the year that Constantinople fell to the Turks, marking the end of the Byzantine Empire (Eastern Roman Empire).

(excuse my placeholders for the time being, the faction list is incomplete, images shown here are not final and subject to change)

Factions

The Papal States
https://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4397/papal6ot.gif (https://imageshack.us)
Region: Western Europe
Captial: Rome
Leader: ...
...

The English
https://img354.imageshack.us/img354/6885/english7ry.gif (https://imageshack.us)
Region: Western Europe
Captial: London
Leader: Henry VI
...

The French
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Region: Western Europe
Captial: Paris
Leader: Charles VII
...

The Holy Roman Empire (Germans)
https://img69.imageshack.us/img69/3245/germany0zi.gif (https://imageshack.us)
Region: Western Europe
Captial: ...
Leader: ...

The Spanish (Castile)
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Region: Western Europe
Captial: ???Madrid???
Leader: John II

The Ottomans
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Region: Eastern Europe
Captial: ...
Leader: Mehmed II

The Aq Qoyunlu (White Sheep Turkomans)
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Region: Middle East
Captial: ...
Leader: Uzan Hussan

The Russians
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Region: Eastern Europe
Captial: ...
Leader: ...

The Aztecs
<insert image>
Region: South America
Captial: ...
Leader: Moctezuma I

The Inca
<insert image>
Region: South America
Captial: ...
Leader: Pachacuti

The Japanese
https://img301.imageshack.us/img301/1369/japan5vr.gif (https://imageshack.us)
Region: East Asia
Captial: ...
Leader: Go-Hanazono (Emperor of Japan)

The Chinese (Ming Dynasty)
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Region: East Asia
Captial: ...
Leader: Jingtai

The Angkor
https://img79.imageshack.us/img79/6397/angkor4vq.gif (https://imageshack.us)
Region: East Asia
Captial: ...
Leader: ...

The Gupta Empire
https://img475.imageshack.us/img475/6506/gupta0vq.gif (https://imageshack.us)
Region: East Asia
Captial: ...
Leader: ...

The Portugese
<insert image>
Region: Western Europe
Captial: Lisbon
Leader: ...

The Polish
<insert image>
Region: Eastern Europe
Captial: ...
Leader: ...

The Crow
<insert image>
Region: North America
Captial: ...
Leader: ...

<placeholder for North American Tribe #2>
<insert image>
Region: North America
Captial: ...
Leader: ...

The Hungarians
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Region: Eastern Europe
Captial: ...
Leader: ...

The Egyptians
<insert image>
Region: North Africa
Captial: ...
Leader: Inal

potential extra 10 -
Switzerland
Sweeden
Venice
NA Tribe #3
Moghul Uprising in India
The Netherlands
Austria
Korea
... to be completed

[iberus_generalis]

ma man, what about the portuguese??? they are an unmistakingly importante faction of the Renaissance...they were the ones who directly and indirectly started the renaissance....with the nautical, and geographic discoveries, even before the Spanish...so making a renaissance mod without portugal is a waste of time.. and as always ppl tend to give the english, french, and germans, way too much importance in the renaissance, when in truth they hadn't. don't forget that this powers only expanded later, and at the expense of robbing, betraying the portuguese, spanish and papal states... that's a fact...maybe you should add portugal too...that's my point...

[richyg13]

Yeh im planning to add Portugal as a faction given that it doesnt detract from adding factions from the rest of the world, Europe will have the most factions of course, given that there maybe the option for up to 30 factions then Portugal will DEFINATLY be there, although it will more than likely be present anyway, I'm working it out currently :)

[Myrddraal]

Note to Moderator: Being there is no place specified for M2TW mods ive posted here until one becomes available.

The best place is in the M2TW general forum. This forum will be split into sections, then your mod will be moved to a better place. For the time being, the M2TW forum is the most appropriate.

Moved

Good luck :bow:

[richyg13]

thank you, decision noted :)

I'll be posting some material here soon.

[Avicenna]

The Inca would dominate the Americas pretty easily, though. Also, how can you only have two factions representing all the Islamics?

[richyg13]

I dont mean to get nasty but if you read at the top of the factions list it says "the lists are incomplete" i havnt decided on many of the factions yet, still doing research to find more for both the islamic and american regions. The Far East also only has 4 factions to date. America will have at least 2 more factions representing natives of north america.

Probable near addtions:
Portugal
Egypt
Crow (North American Tribe)
and another american tribe

Suggestions are welcomed... still alot of the potential factions depend on the rumoured 30 factions count for M2TW, 30 factions would make the mod that much more interesting.

[Favre]

I understand that while your faction lsit is incomplete, this looks a bit odd so far.

1/2 your factions are already included by CA, and its right in the middle of the current time period, I just dont see the idea here? Maybe i missed it?

[econ21]

...its right in the middle of the current time period, I just dont see the idea here?

I think the time period for this mod starts where the M2TW campaign will be winding down and I suspect it will extend past it.

But anyway, I suspect that with the compressed passage of time in M2TW, there will be a lot of scope for mods that look at specific eras in more detail.

[Slasher]

You will probably be doing the time period of EU2 I suppose?

Also how are you possibly going to get such a large expanse of land using the limits of MTW2....is Britain going to be scaled down to the size of a large coin or something?

[richyg13]

econ has the right idea here, I havnt posted an end date because im delagating where to end, probably about 2 centuries afer the start date, but wont enter the Napolenonic Period for definate. I'm not familiar with EU2 but im aware that it does run similar to Pike and Musket's dates but the detail on the factions and landscape will obviously be much less.

The issue with the world map has already been tempered with by a contact of the old team, I'll have to chase him up again. He used the largest map scale possible without being ridiculous and it does mean that britain is extremly small. It means that importance of individual cities will be much greater... London maybe the only starting english city (need to research) but it will provide all the wealth of britain, all things that need to be tried and tested. Although not the same style of game, if you play the world map scenario on Civilization IV then you see that they have the same issue there. The point of the game comes around mamaging an empire accross the world adding the challange of having huge distances to cover with your armies.

The faction names may appear to be the same and thats because they historically were. I've researched items for Europe and these were the powers dominate through the period (Aztecs/Inca/North Americans are not but are required to make the game interesting).

The type of warfare fought in this mod is particually different to the medieval period, your knights wont stand up to much against a volley of muskets.

[cegorach]

Sorry, but you are planning to make a mod starting in 1453, WITHOUT the largest european state i.e. Poland-Lithuania ?

That is pretty strange :inquisitive:

[richyg13]

So says the man from Poland :)

Yeh ok Poland is yet again another faction that should be here, i dont know much about this period so im learning as i go along. I found a whole lot of media for the Croats too so i want to include some of their units. Poland as a state is likely and i aslo want to add an Austro-Hungarian faction if i have room for them. The need for 30 factions is proving great, i hope i can add what everyone wants limitations aside.

[cegorach]

You can always check our Pike and Musket subforum for some feedback - you are not directly in my 'turf' so you can ask for some support - it will be your decision what to choose anyway.
I realise how hard choice it is, believe me that is why I placed our starting date in 1570 to avoid too many medieval/early renaissance units and I am still worried it could be hard to prepare the final unit roster for MTW2 edition.

And I say it after more than 2 years of dedicated research of many people with considerable knowledge in the beginning...

Good luck !:2thumbsup:

[richyg13]

Your encouragement is taken with much gratitude :)

With choice being what it is, a few nations will probably become "permenantly allied" as one faction, others will be represented as rebels. The far east will be filled with diffuclt rebels to make progress difficult for them.

[Ignoramus]

Citadel: Total War has the same idea. They've been around for 2 years or so. Perhaps you could help them? Their time frame is 1402 - 1600.

[richyg13]

Timescale the same, aim is not. Citadel seems more similar to Pike and Musket, with time scale shifted to the left.

[][GERUDO][Mojoman]

your forgetting the Dutch...they were pretty big in the renaissance...and theres also Venice and Denmark.

[richyg13]

Venice and The Netherlands (Dutch) are on my potentials list and will be added if i can fit them in, lets pray to CA for 30 factions :)

Sorry for no updates, been working on my physical fitness levels in preperation for my football team's first ever friendly (port talbot [wales] sunday league). I'll be doing a small preview of the Japanese units some time soon, got a good book for reference on samurai as well as many other aspects that this mod covers.

[Gorky]

The Austro-Hungarians

Is it an independent faction?

after the battle of Mohács (1556) - the main hungarian army lost and the king dead, one part of the hungarian nobels assist the Hasburg Ferdinand (1526-1564) but the eastern part of the country is (Transylvania) assist a hungarian noble (János Szapolyai)...
after 1541 the turkish occupy the capital city of Buda (Budapest)
the country fall apart three part:
- north: Kingdom of Hungary
- south: Realm of the Turkish
- east: the independent Principality of Transylvania (hungarians, székely - the descendant of Attila the Hun - , szász - Saxon and romanian)

this part is always try to reunion the Kingdom of Hungary
and the austian always want to rule this land but we can speak austo-hungarians only after 1867...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary

I suggest you two different factions

mostly because the hungarians has many great leaders at the independent time:
John Hunyadi, the Warlord
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A1nos_Hunyadi

Matthias Corvinus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthias_Corvinus_of_Hungary

[richyg13]

What of 1453? as i have already stated, my knowledge of this period is weak so im learning as i go here. Which would be more prominent for my start date?? I'll include both as playable factions if possible but i need a top 20 and a potential 10 at the moment.

[Gorky]

I just want to refer that said austo-hungarians is like said english-irish;-)

her is some important date from this time
(I'm not a historian only a hungarian;-)

prolog:
1443 John Hunyadi (hungarian noble)
start a campaign to rout out the turkish from europa
but at 1444 (at Várna) the hungarian king killed in a battle
and the army (the remains) have to reteat

1453
the pope proclaim a crusade
send priest Kapisztán János (Giovanni da Capistrano) to recruit a troop
but
at 1956 II Mehmed reach "Nándorfehérvár" (Beograd)
Mehmed has got 150 000 soldiers, 300 cannon, 200 ship
the another side there are only John Hunyadi with his own soldiers
and we won...

(but by a plague after the broken siege Hunyadi died)

His elder son was executed after his death
but younger son was saved and the nobels (gentry) acclaim him to King
His name was Mátyás Hunyadi
Matthias Corvinus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthia...nus_of_Hungary

"Matthias gained independence of and power over the barons by dividing them, and by raising a large royal army (fekete sereg or Black Army) of mercenaries, whose main force included the remnants of the Hussites in the Czech lands. At this time Hungary reached its greatest territorial extent of the epoch (present-day southeastern Germany in the west, Dalmatia in the south, Bulgaria in the east, and Poland in the north).

He was victorious against the Ottoman Empire, both in beating back attacks and starting smaller campaigns of retaliation: 1463-64 in Bosnia, 1475 in Southern Hungary, 1479-83 in Transylvania, Wallachia, Serbia, and Bosnia; and in 1481 he send a contingent to help in the retaking of the Tarentine port Otranto. Like his father, Matthias desired to strengthen the Kingdom of Hungary to the point where it became the foremost regional power and overlord, strong enough to push back the Ottomans; toward that end he deemed necessary the conquering of large parts of the Holy Roman Empire. Until his death in 1490, Matthias Corvinus gained control of Moravia, Silesia, Lusatia (these in 1468/1469/1479-1490), and half of present-day Austria (1477/1483-1491); he even ruled from Vienna after 1485."

after his death (may killed by his enemies)
throne is occupied by weak rulers and
at 1521 I Szulejmán Sultan attacked the hungarians
and at 1526 (Mohács) Szulejman detroyed the hungarian main army
(at this time the hungarian's greatest warrior was a priest called Tomori Pál)

after this the country fallen into pieces and the hungarians has to fight with the austrish and the turkish too...

There are many brave man in Matthias' Balck Army like Pál Kinizsi (he ride on a black horse and his favorite weapon was the two handed sword, usually one in each hand;-))

I hope it is a helpful information for your mod!

[Master_Thief]

Hey all. I would be interested in doing a bit of historical research for this if you're interested. I'm currently doing an A-level (the exams after compulsory education and before university (for anyone not from the U.K.)) in early modern history so I've just finished looking at Henry VIII, Louis XiV, and the English Civil War. Next school year I'm studying the Mid-Tudor crisis, Elizabeth I, and the Golden Age of Spain. Basically my mind is currently on the renaissance, which I'm interested in anyway, so it wouldn't be hard for me to read around the subject a little more and contribute to this mod if it makes it to development.

Just a thought .~:thumb:

[JuliusCaesar]

Did you guys ever make the campaign map? The one covering the whole world (from when this mod was supposed to be a RTW mod). Because if you did and it actually works (it shouldn't be possible due to the landmass ratio) I would really like to take a look at it and mabe use it to a minimod of mine. If thats ok though.