Mi/we 1.03

[Nobunaga]

I want to ask about your opinion about MI 1.03 stats? How do u think about the overall gameplay and balance? I remember calvary speed was really high

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Where can I get it at m8??

[Nobunaga]

Here they are:

-The TroopStats.txt:

Projectile type: NONE = 0, LONG = 1, MTLG = 2, ARQB = 3, MSKT = 4, NINJ = 5
Unroutable: true = 1, false = 0
Marching speed: 1 - 24
Running speed: 1 - 24
Charging speed: 1 - 24
Minimum turning speed: 2 - 8
Maximum turning speed: 2 - 8
Max turning angle whilst in motion: 8 - 256
Speed at which soldier turns towards the direction of motion 8 - 8
Space between neighbours left and right: 30 - 125
Space between neighbours back and front: 30 - 125
Enemy engagement proximity threshold: 500 - 2000
Charge bonus: -6 - 12
Melee bonus: -6 - 12
Defence bonus: -6 - 12
Armour level: 1 - 12
Honour level: -4 - 8
Ammo ( arrows or bullets ): 0 - 255
Unit size (based on 60)


SamuraiArchers
{
1, 1, 5, 9.2, 11, 2, 8, 8, 256, 75, 75, 500, 2, -1, -1, 1, 0, 36, 60
}

YariSamurai
{
0, 1, 5, 8, 9.5, 2, 6, 8, 100, 75, 75, 1500, 0, -1, 2, 2, 2, 0, 60
}

Naginata
{
0, 1, 5, 8, 8, 2, 4, 8, 8, 75, 75, 1500, 2, -2, 10, 6, 8, 0, 60
}

Nodachi
{
0, 1, 5, 10, 12, 2, 8, 8, 100, 75, 75, 1500, 8, 4, -1, 1, 8, 0, 60
}

CavalryArchers
{
1, 1, 8, 23, 27.6, 2, 8, 8, 64, 115, 125, 2000, 15, 0, 0, 2, 2, 18, 60
}

HeavyCavalry
{
0, 1, 8, 20, 24, 2, 8, 8, 40, 115, 125, 2000, 14, 2, 6, 6, 6, 0, 60
}

YariCavalry
{
0, 1, 8, 24, 28.8, 2, 8, 8, 60, 115, 125, 2000, 20, 1, 1, 3, 4, 0, 60
}

YariAshigaru
{
0, 0, 5, 11.7, 14, 2, 4, 8, 8, 75, 75, 1500, 0, -4, -1, 0, -6, 0, 60
}

Phantoms
{
0, 0, 5, 10, 12, 2, 8, 8, 96, 75, 75, 1500, 0, -1, -1, 2, -4, 0, 1
}

Arquebusier
{
3, 0, 5, 7.5, 9, 2, 8, 8, 128, 75, 75, 500, 0, -8, -10, 1, -4, 10, 60
}

Musketeer
{
4, 0, 5, 8.4, 10, 2, 8, 8, 192, 75, 75, 500, 0, -8, -10, 2, -4, 15, 60
}

WarriorMonk
{
0, 1, 5, 10, 12, 2, 8, 8, 256, 75, 75, 1500, 4, 4, 4, 0, 10, 0, 60
}

A_Ninja
{
5, 1, 8, 12.5, 15, 2, 8, 8, 256, 75, 75, 300, 8, 8, 4, 2, 10, 10, 12
}

A_SwordsMan
{
0, 1, 5, 12.5, 15, 0, 8, 8, 256, 75, 75, 1500, 8, 18, 7, 0, 8, 0, 1
}

A_Mongol_Javelin_Thrower
{
6, 0, 5, 8, 10, 2, 8, 8, 192, 75, 75, 400, 0, -1, -1, 4, 0, 3, 60
}

A_Mongol_Spearman
{
0, 0, 5, 9.2, 11, 2, 8, 8, 256, 75, 75, 1500, 0, -1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 60
}

A_Mongol_Polearmsman
{
0, 0, 5, 7.5, 9, 2, 8, 8, 256, 75, 75, 1500, 4, 1, 5, 3, 4, 0, 60
}

A_Grenadier
{
7, 0, 5, 9.2, 11, 2, 8, 8, 256, 100, 100, 100, 0,-6, -3, 1, 4, 3, 30
}

An_Ashigaru_Xbowman
{
8, 0, 5, 9.2, 11, 2, 8, 8, 96, 75, 75, 500, 0, -6, -3, 1, -5, 16, 60
}

A_Nijinata_Cavaleryman
{
0, 1, 8, 22, 26.4, 2, 8, 8, 40, 115, 125, 2000, 16, 4, 0, 4, 8, 0, 60
}

A_Mongol_Light_Cavaleryman
{
2, 0, 8, 24, 28.8, 2, 8, 8, 64, 115, 125, 2000, 11, 0, 0, 1, 4, 50, 60
}

A_Mongol_Heavy_Cavaleryman
{
0, 0, 8, 20, 24, 2, 8, 8, 40, 115, 125, 2000, 10, 2, 2, 5, 6, 0, 60
}

The projectiles.txt:

Projectile-type related stats:-

Length, Frequency, Range, Speed, Accuracy, Power, Reload, Is a gun?, Is Waterproof?

Longbow
{
35, 11, 5000, 150, 0.6, 0.5, 6, 0, 1
}

Mounted Longbow
{
20, 11, 5000, 150, 0.8, 0.25, 4, 0, 1
}

Arquebus
{
0, 15, 4000, 230, 0.12, 6.0, 33, 1, 0
}

Musket
{
0, 15, 5000, 230, 0.16, 3.6, 27, 1, 1
}

Ninja Star
{
0, 5, 1200, 100, 0.8, 1.2, 3, 0, 1
}

Javelin
{
0, 5, 1500, 80, 0.13, 1.0, 5, 0, 1
}

Grenade
{
0, 5, 1500, 90, 0.03, 6.0, 6, 0, 0
}

Crossbow
{
10, 5, 4000, 250, 0.15, 3.0, 15, 0, 1
}

[Puzz3D]

The cavalry speeds were not increased from v1.02 to v1.03. However, some of the cav in both v1.02 and v1.03 are increased over v1.01 which had the same speeds as original STW v1.12. In Samurai Wars, we've returned to original STW v1.12 speeds except charge speed is 10% higher than run speed, and the NC has the same speed as HC and CA. Hatamoto is silghtly faster than HC because they have the best horses.

I would not use v1.03 for SP campaign. That stat was designed for MP. What I would suggest is v1.01 or checkout this thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=61917) if you want to get back closer to original STW v1.12 gameplay.


(Cav walk, run, charge)

STW v1.12
----------

CA 8, 20, 20
HC 8, 20, 20
YC 10, 24, 24


STW/MI v1.01
--------------

CA 8, 20, 20
HC 8, 20, 20
YC 10, 24, 24
NC 8, 16, 20


STW/MI v1.02
--------------

CA 8, 23, 27.6
HC 8, 20, 24
YC 8, 24, 28.8
NC 8, 22, 26.4


STW/MI v1.03
--------------

CA 8, 23, 27.6
HC 8, 20, 24
YC 8, 24, 28.8
NC 8, 22, 26.4


STW/MI v1.05
--------------

CA 8, 23, 27.6
HC 8, 20, 24
YC 8, 24, 28.8
NC 8, 22, 26.4


Samurai Wars for MTW/VI v2.01
-------------------------------

CA 8, 20, 22
HC 8, 20, 22
YC 10, 24, 26
NC 8, 20, 22
Hatamoto 8, 22, 24

[TosaInu]

I would not use v1.03 for SP campaign. That stat was designed for MP.

Very true. But in my experience, it works very well in SP too. But it's just what you like.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

k, what file do I edit it into,then I be all set :-) :-)??

[Nobunaga]

The two files are: TroopStats.txt and projectiles.txt

here is a link to a thread that contain much more details about installation:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=22855

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

ok thanks m8, so I add this??

Projectile type: NONE = 0, LONG = 1, MTLG = 2, ARQB = 3, MSKT = 4, NINJ = 5
Unroutable: true = 1, false = 0
Marching speed: 1 - 24
Running speed: 1 - 24
Charging speed: 1 - 24
Minimum turning speed: 2 - 8
Maximum turning speed: 2 - 8
Max turning angle whilst in motion: 8 - 256
Speed at which soldier turns towards the direction of motion 8 - 8
Space between neighbours left and right: 30 - 125
Space between neighbours back and front: 30 - 125
Enemy engagement proximity threshold: 500 - 2000
Charge bonus: -6 - 12
Melee bonus: -6 - 12
Defence bonus: -6 - 12
Armour level: 1 - 12
Honour level: -4 - 8
Ammo ( arrows or bullets ): 0 - 255
Unit size (based on 60)


SamuraiArchers
{
1, 1, 5, 9.2, 11, 2, 8, 8, 256, 75, 75, 500, 2, -1, -1, 1, 0, 36, 60
}

YariSamurai
{
0, 1, 5, 8, 9.5, 2, 6, 8, 100, 75, 75, 1500, 0, -1, 2, 2, 2, 0, 60
}

Naginata
{
0, 1, 5, 8, 8, 2, 4, 8, 8, 75, 75, 1500, 2, -2, 10, 6, 8, 0, 60
}

Nodachi
{
0, 1, 5, 10, 12, 2, 8, 8, 100, 75, 75, 1500, 8, 4, -1, 1, 8, 0, 60
}

CavalryArchers
{
1, 1, 8, 23, 27.6, 2, 8, 8, 64, 115, 125, 2000, 15, 0, 0, 2, 2, 18, 60
}

HeavyCavalry
{
0, 1, 8, 20, 24, 2, 8, 8, 40, 115, 125, 2000, 14, 2, 6, 6, 6, 0, 60
}

YariCavalry
{
0, 1, 8, 24, 28.8, 2, 8, 8, 60, 115, 125, 2000, 20, 1, 1, 3, 4, 0, 60
}

YariAshigaru
{
0, 0, 5, 11.7, 14, 2, 4, 8, 8, 75, 75, 1500, 0, -4, -1, 0, -6, 0, 60
}

Phantoms
{
0, 0, 5, 10, 12, 2, 8, 8, 96, 75, 75, 1500, 0, -1, -1, 2, -4, 0, 1
}

Arquebusier
{
3, 0, 5, 7.5, 9, 2, 8, 8, 128, 75, 75, 500, 0, -8, -10, 1, -4, 10, 60
}

Musketeer
{
4, 0, 5, 8.4, 10, 2, 8, 8, 192, 75, 75, 500, 0, -8, -10, 2, -4, 15, 60
}

WarriorMonk
{
0, 1, 5, 10, 12, 2, 8, 8, 256, 75, 75, 1500, 4, 4, 4, 0, 10, 0, 60
}

A_Ninja
{
5, 1, 8, 12.5, 15, 2, 8, 8, 256, 75, 75, 300, 8, 8, 4, 2, 10, 10, 12
}

A_SwordsMan
{
0, 1, 5, 12.5, 15, 0, 8, 8, 256, 75, 75, 1500, 8, 18, 7, 0, 8, 0, 1
}

A_Mongol_Javelin_Thrower
{
6, 0, 5, 8, 10, 2, 8, 8, 192, 75, 75, 400, 0, -1, -1, 4, 0, 3, 60
}

A_Mongol_Spearman
{
0, 0, 5, 9.2, 11, 2, 8, 8, 256, 75, 75, 1500, 0, -1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 60
}

A_Mongol_Polearmsman
{
0, 0, 5, 7.5, 9, 2, 8, 8, 256, 75, 75, 1500, 4, 1, 5, 3, 4, 0, 60
}

A_Grenadier
{
7, 0, 5, 9.2, 11, 2, 8, 8, 256, 100, 100, 100, 0,-6, -3, 1, 4, 3, 30
}

An_Ashigaru_Xbowman
{
8, 0, 5, 9.2, 11, 2, 8, 8, 96, 75, 75, 500, 0, -6, -3, 1, -5, 16, 60
}

A_Nijinata_Cavaleryman
{
0, 1, 8, 22, 26.4, 2, 8, 8, 40, 115, 125, 2000, 16, 4, 0, 4, 8, 0, 60
}

A_Mongol_Light_Cavaleryman
{
2, 0, 8, 24, 28.8, 2, 8, 8, 64, 115, 125, 2000, 11, 0, 0, 1, 4, 50, 60
}

A_Mongol_Heavy_Cavaleryman
{
0, 0, 8, 20, 24, 2, 8, 8, 40, 115, 125, 2000, 10, 2, 2, 5, 6, 0, 60
}

The projectiles.txt:

Projectile-type related stats:-

Length, Frequency, Range, Speed, Accuracy, Power, Reload, Is a gun?, Is Waterproof?

Longbow
{
35, 11, 5000, 150, 0.6, 0.5, 6, 0, 1
}

Mounted Longbow
{
20, 11, 5000, 150, 0.8, 0.25, 4, 0, 1
}

Arquebus
{
0, 15, 4000, 230, 0.12, 6.0, 33, 1, 0
}

Musket
{
0, 15, 5000, 230, 0.16, 3.6, 27, 1, 1
}

Ninja Star
{
0, 5, 1200, 100, 0.8, 1.2, 3, 0, 1
}

Javelin
{
0, 5, 1500, 80, 0.13, 1.0, 5, 0, 1
}

Grenade
{
0, 5, 1500, 90, 0.03, 6.0, 6, 0, 0
}

Crossbow
{
10, 5, 4000, 250, 0.15, 3.0, 15, 0, 1
}

[Nobunaga]

yep you only change the contents of the 2 files. 1.03 is not an official patch it is only a stat developed by the stw community

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Ok, I went into those two files and took out the orginial stuff (I downloaded from the link you gave me) and added that stuff you told me to. So,it should work now,right :-) :-)??

[Nobunaga]

yep it should :2thumbsup:

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

ok thanks m8 :-)

[Nobunaga]

no problem :)

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I'm going to do some online stuff Tonight and tomarrow, to see if it works, hopefully it works, and mabye I see some of you guys online then :-) :-)

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Hey,

I got a ploblem :-(..It saids it still the 1.00 patch, and not 1.03, should I get 1.02 first then 1.03??

[Nobunaga]

you need to have 1.02 first.

remeber that 1.03 are only stats so even after putting them the game's version will be 1.02

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

k thanks. I'll look around for 1.02, and if I can't find it, I'll be back :-)

thanks guys,cya on STW (hopefully on Saturday/Sunday) :-)

[Nobunaga]

no problem :bow:

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

unless I'm stupid or not looking hard enough, I can't find it. Can I have the link to it please??

[Drisos]

It's findable trough google:

http://www.3dgamers.com/dlselect/games/shogun/Missions/shogunmv1.02_euro.exe.html

Select one of the public servers. Need any help, instructions are at the link 'About this file'.

Good luck, and perhaps see you sometime in the foyer!:bow: ~:)

[Nobunaga]

http://www.3ddownloads.com/totalwar/STW_WE/Patches/?sort=size&order=desc

this contain all stw patches

[Nobunaga]

i was doing some tests and i noticed that heavy calvary beats yari calvary in 1.03???

[Drisos]

i was doing some tests and i noticed that heavy calvary beats yari calvary in 1.03???

I never tested 1.03, so I'm not sure. But it would be odd if that were true... are you 100% sure you had the same honour-weapon-armour levels?

:dizzy2:

:bow:

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

k thanks m8 :-) :-) .. Do I install 1.02, and the files I editied to 1.03 stays the same??


Update:

I am getting 1.02 for MI (I got gold edition,doesn't matter,right?)
so once I install it, and update it again to 1.03,it should work,right??

[Nobunaga]

Originally posted by Drisos:

I never tested 1.03, so I'm not sure. But it would be odd if that were true... are you 100% sure you had the same honour-weapon-armour levels?


well i made the test on ironing bord, both units had no weapon and aromor upgrades and both were of honour two. the heavy cavalry is always winning.

i will check the stats again and make sure they are 1.03 maybe i messed them up by mistake

:bow:

[R'as al Ghul]

Keep in mind that anything else but "normal" difficulty gives a bonus to either AI or player.

R'as

[Nobunaga]

Originally posted by {BHC}KingWarman888

k thanks m8 :-) :-) .. Do I install 1.02, and the files I editied to 1.03 stays the same??

Update:

I am getting 1.02 for MI (I got gold edition,doesn't matter,right?)
so once I install it, and update it again to 1.03,it should work,right??


Well if you have the gold edition you don't need the 1.02 patch, the gold edition comes already updated. all you have to do is change the troopstats and projectile files

[Nobunaga]

Originally posted by R'as al Ghul
Keep in mind that anything else but "normal" difficulty gives a bonus to either AI or player.


normal difficulty gives bonus to the player in mtw but i remeber that it didn't give any bonus to the AI nor the player in STW.

the thing is i tried: YC vs HC with the AI the HC: result HC wins
and i tried: HC vs YC with the AI the YC: result HC wins

today I will recheck the stats (i suspect i messed them up by mistake) and i will do some lan tests.

[R'as al Ghul]

normal difficulty gives bonus to the player in mtw but i remeber that it didn't give any bonus to the AI nor the player in STW.


Normal shouldn't give any bonus, that's my point.
In MTW there's definitely no bonus on "normal", I assumed that's true for STW as well, but I'm not sure.
YariCav can beat HCav in Samurai Warlords because of the anti-cav bonus for YariCav. HCav was designed to be the strongest unit in STW, iirc.
I guess Yuuki can clarify this.

R'as

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Well if you have the gold edition you don't need the 1.02 patch, the gold edition comes already updated. all you have to do is change the troopstats and projectile files


K m8, I'll check it out and re-fix,thanks :clown:

[Puzz3D]

normal difficulty gives bonus to the player in mtw but i remeber that it didn't give any bonus to the AI nor the player in STW.

the thing is i tried: YC vs HC with the AI the HC: result HC wins
and i tried: HC vs YC with the AI the YC: result HC wins

today I will recheck the stats (i suspect i messed them up by mistake) and i will do some lan tests.
Charge bonuses are very high in v1.03 for cav especially for the YC. This means the initial charge makes a big difference and could be why you're seeing HC beat YC.

[TosaInu]

But YC being a yari unit, does mostly cancel a frontal charge?

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

k ploblem m8... I had STW:WE (Warlords Edition), and when you said Gold Edition should have 1.02 (I forgot), I uninstalled WE and stuck Gold Edition on it, and it was 1.00 m8... I'm going to stick WE on again... I got that link from what you gave me,but dunno what I should download..

[Nobunaga]

Originally posted by {BHC}KingWarman888

k ploblem m8... I had STW:WE (Warlords Edition), and when you said Gold Edition should have 1.02 (I forgot), I uninstalled WE and stuck Gold Edition on it, and it was 1.00 m8... I'm going to stick WE on again... I got that link from what you gave me,but dunno what I should download..
Yesterday 20:48


well gold edition 1.0 is equivelent to WE/MI 1.02 so if u have the gold edition u don't need to patch.

if u want to patch WE here is the link:
http://www.3ddownloads.com/totalwar/STW_WE/Patches/ShogunWv1.02_Euro.exe

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

k thaks m8, I wand kinda wonder, Why the heck this isn't 1.02. Thanks sicne I can now do some STW online :-)

[Puzz3D]

But YC being a yari unit, does mostly cancel a frontal charge?
I think it's only the yari infantry that cancel frontal charge by cav.

[Specksturm]

OK, one question. Before I do anything I would like to ask. Is it possible to play between modified version and unmodified version. aka. 1.02 vs. 1.03.? So if i don´t mod up my 1.02 to a 1.03 I can not play with you?

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

ok, I know I am a pain, but I been getting bad ploblem here, trying to fix the MP issue with STW, several times, giving up..


Nobu, I could not install WE again,dunno why, but I was able to install GE,Gold Edtion. Well, I go to Mutilplayer, and only see LAN Gams section. What was the file I have to edit so I can play on the fakserver??

[R'as al Ghul]

OK, one question. Before I do anything I would like to ask. Is it possible to play between modified version and unmodified version. aka. 1.02 vs. 1.03.? So if i don´t mod up my 1.02 to a 1.03 I can not play with you?

Two players need to have the same stats to play each other. If they don't their versions are incompatible and one will fail to join the game of the other.

You can download the statswapper (http://www.mizus.com/files/files/STW_WE/stats/StatSwapper2.0.exe) tool that makes swapping between 1.02 and 1.03 easy.

:bow:
R'as

[Nobunaga]

ok my mistake, yari calvary will win however it is a close win cosed by the differnece in the charge.

[Specksturm]

R'as - OK- I got the statswapper. But I don´t know how it works. When I click on the Statswapper.exe icon I see a MS DOS prompt flash for a second. When I go in and have a look at the files troop and projectiles files in the shogunfolder nothing have changed. I don't say that it is hard to change the files by hand. I just wonder how I can make it work as it is meant to. Should the whole thing be put in the shogun root folder?

[R'as al Ghul]

10xSwap.bat needs to be in the Main folder, as does the folder "stats".

You just unzip the file into main folder.
The dos window then offers you the possibility to change the stats.

R'as

[Specksturm]

That is what I had in mind. But now I uninstalled the first one and reinstalled as you said straight into the Shogun main folder. But the problem is still there. The dos window just flash once I click the 10xSwap.exe. I doesn´t complain about missing files or bad directory or anything. It just doesn´t want to co-operate.

[R'as al Ghul]

stand by....

[Specksturm]

*listening to muzak*

[R'as al Ghul]

Download this
http://www.3ddownloads.com/strategy-gaming/totalwar/Tools/WinXP-Bat.zip

copy and paste "choice.com" to C:\WINDOWS\system32 folder

batfiles can be used now.

R'as

[Specksturm]

I would like to say it works but it doesn´t. First of all I had a hardtime when the system32 folder was gone. But I found out that I could make it appear by a commandline in dos. So no i have that file in the system32 folder. So when I start the 10xStat application it now stays up.
BUT! My dos now complains about the AUTOEXEC.NT file in my system32 directory. The system file is not suitable for running MS-DOS. Choose 'close' to terminate the application. I click 'close'. And nothing happends. And it makes that well known windows "something is really wrong" sound.

[Specksturm]

Ok I now found the solution to fix a the bad autoexec.nt. There is a folder called 'repair' in the main Windows folder. I copied the autoexec.nt from that folder and pasted it into the 'system32' folder. So now this 10xStats.exe application runs smoothly!
Thank you Ra´s for all the help! :)

[R'as al Ghul]

Mmmh.

try this download:http://www.ascentive.com/support/new/libraryfiles.exe

I remember that some of those files are needed.
The problem is that XP doesn't support DOS anymore.
We've had that in the past and I hope this is all you need.
A reboot may also work wonders.

:bow:
R'as

[R'as al Ghul]

Ok I now found the solution to fix a the bad autoexec.nt. There is a folder called 'repair' in the main Windows folder. I copied the autoexec.nt from that folder and pasted it into the 'system32' folder. So now this 10xStats.exe application runs smoothly!
Thank you Ra´s for all the help! :)

:2thumbsup: Excellent.
I've seen this post too late and posted an alternative which you can ignore now.

Have fun.

R'as

[Specksturm]

Me and Malik just tried it out and fun it sure was. :)

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I may never get it to Work

Warlords Edition will Not Install

and I tried doing that (installnig 1.02 and adding the stats) and there is no "Online" Option for GE

I'll try WE again, and if that doesn't work, I'll give up and just try the STW Mod for MTW then :-( :-(