Russian Tzardom

[cegorach]

The official thread will be used to add more information about the faction.


For now you can post anything you find useful including ideas for faction specific buildings, events, advisors etc MILITARY UNITS EXCLUDED - that is well researched and only later we will possibly need more details.

[DukeofSerbia]

Starting military leaders in 1570 from EU2.


historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 09172 }
category = general
name = "Vorotinski"
startdate = {
year=1550
}
deathdate = {
year=1573
}
rank = 1
movement = 5
fire = 3
shock = 4
siege = 1
}
historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 09175 }
category = general
name = "Ivan Shuiski"
startdate = {
year=1560
}
deathdate = {
year=1587
}
rank = 4
movement = 2
fire = 3
shock = 3
siege = 0
}
historicalleader = {
category = conquistador
id = { type = 6 id = 09210 }
name = "Burnash Yalichev"
startdate = {
year=1565
}
deathdate = {
year=1576
}
rank = 9
movement = 4
fire = 2
shock = 3
siege = 0
}

[Sheogorath]

Too my knowledge, the best Russian troops in this period were the Streltsy, basically a standing army of musketeers, VAUGLY similar to the Ottoman Jassinaries. They werent very prominient at the start of this game (1550, Im assuming?), but they grew later on.

Those aside, I beleive much of the Russian military was composed of non-professional 'militia' type units. Although I understand that even at this point they liked their cannons.

I dont think that Cossacks played any major role in the Russian military scheme yet. Could your ability to recruit them be based upon the capture of specific provinces? If not, I would make a set date prior to which Cossacks could not be used.

The Tsar (the first Tsar ever ;)) right now would be Ivan IV...Im not sure if hes insane by this point though. That might affect his starting stats :P

Oh, and will Russia be able to build naval units? From what I know, they didnt bother with one until Peter the Great, and isnt he a bit out of the scope of this mod? :P

[Lord Winter]

He's at the very end of the mod,

The russians shouldn't have a princess unit as they were forbidden to marry outside of the orthodox religon, which after constantinople, fell constited of just the russians.

Also an idea for a building, the russians bathed more frequently then the rest of europe. Perhaps a public bathhouse (Bagnios) would be good a good idea for a building? It could perhasp give a small cash bonus (for addmission) and a public health bonus?

[cegorach]

Good idea with the bathhouse, an important part of their culture for sure.


I will post the unit roster tomorrow so you will have some idea that it is pretty advanced :yes:

[DukeofSerbia]

Starting diplomacy:
Russia was in Livonian war (1558-1582) against Poland-Lithuania and Sweden over Livonia.
1571 Crimean Tatars burned Moscow.

Poland-Lithuania – in war
Sweden – in war
Crimean Tatars – almost in war
Ottoman Empire – very bad

Russian army

Basis of Russian army created Ivan IV who created special units – Strelcy (Стрелецы) which he used to control boyars. The way of organization, wages and accommodation of them give Strelcy status of standing army.
From the mid of XVI century great reformation started. Standing army was created towards western patterns. Mercenaries from Scotland, Sweden and Germany became command personnel of cavalry, infantry and others. Mercenaries lived in separated military areas, where they owned land. With Strelcy and Cossacks they made well equipped army. Reform was done by general Vasiliy Golitsyn in 1678. :book:

[cegorach]

Ok here is the unit roster - some images are missing or will be added later ( I need to find them in my 'archives' ).

Generally Russian army was large, lumbering with large artillery and generally well fitted for sieges.

The time between 1570 and 1700 sees many changes, reforms which later allowed Peter the Great to grasp the hegemony in Eastern Europe partly thanks to some good fortune and partly because of the new changes.

Anyway with all new reforms the army still found this time as a series of military defeats, mainly from better commanded, more mobile and possessing excellent cavalry - the armies of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.


Cavalry

Oprychniki - a sort of XVIth century NKVD/KGB - terrorising force.
Here in black

https://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/cegorach/russian%20roster/TheArmiesofIvantheTerrible-02.jpg

feudal

Pomestnaya Konnitsa - 2 types archers and 'naginata' type.
https://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/cegorach/russian%20roster/TheArmiesofIvantheTerrible-02.jpg
https://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/cegorach/russian%20roster/rosja.jpg
https://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/cegorach/russian%20roster/rosyjskalekka.jpg

Znat

https://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/cegorach/russian%20roster/uniform1.jpg

Sluzhiliye Kazaki - mounted 'Cossack' (fashion not people), dragoon-like cavalry


guard

Ryndy - mounted Ryndy

Stremenniye Streltsy - similar to Zhilcy, but no wings



Zhilcy
https://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/cegorach/russian%20roster/RussianHussars.jpg
https://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/cegorach/russian%20roster/zilcyiinni.jpg
https://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/cegorach/russian%20roster/zhilcy.jpg
https://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/cegorach/russian%20roster/zilcy2.jpg

reformed

--from around 1633 - 1654-> Reytary
as in the west, but often used carbines and kept armour for very long just like Hapsburg cavalry
https://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/cegorach/russian%20roster/ironsidesenglishcavalry1588168.jpg

--from around 1633 - 1654-> Draguny
here, but mounted
https://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/cegorach/russian%20roster/med_03.jpg

'copies' of Polish units

--from around 1633 - 1654->Gusary


--from around 1633 - 1654->Stremenniye Kopeyshchiki
https://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/cegorach/russian%20roster/polish20pancerny2016831cj.jpg

Don Cossacks - they were mainly light cavalrymen or dragoons

https://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/cegorach/russian%20roster/RussianArmyoftheSevenYearsWar2-02.jpg

Ural Cossacks - conquered Siberia

https://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/cegorach/russian%20roster/1772ff453435.jpg

auxilia

Tatarskaya Konnitsa
https://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/cegorach/russian%20roster/mon48ac.jpg

--from around 1622 (scripted event - 'Kalmuk Horde migrates' ?)-> Kalmuk
Here as above or as below
https://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/cegorach/russian%20roster/Zorndorf1758-03.jpg

Infantry

Vybranniye Streltsy
https://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/cegorach/russian%20roster/med_04.jpg
https://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/cegorach/russian%20roster/ostrzalpodkatemzprzodu-boku.jpg

Streltsy
https://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/cegorach/russian%20roster/med_02.jpg

--from around 1633 - 1654-> Kopeyshchiki
https://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/cegorach/russian%20roster/748fca947f7f.jpg

--from around 1633 - 1654-> Soldaty
https://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/cegorach/russian%20roster/med_01.jpg
https://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/cegorach/russian%20roster/streltsy.jpg

Ryndy - ceremonial guard
https://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/cegorach/russian%20roster/RussianRyndy.jpg

Opolcheniye - peasant militia

Poteshnyi - first soldiers of Peter the Great



Special

Gulay Gorod - warwagons as Poles and Cossacks used them for very long (steppes)

https://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/cegorach/russian%20roster/gulay-gorod2.gif


24 units for now - officers will be added later. As you see some units use the same model as other, that will be important for the hardoded limit purposes.:egypt:

[slav frunze]

I don't know if you need them or not, but I have a list of common Russian names and surnames. I will post the male first names for now, and if surnames and female names are needed, I can post them later.

Male first names:

Adam
Adrian
Akim (Joachim)
Alexander
Alexey (Alexis)
Anatole
Andrey (Andrew)
Anton (Anthony)
Arkadi
Afanasi (Athanasius)
Boleslav
Boris
Vassili (Basil)
Victor
Vladimir
Vladislav
Vyacheslav
Grigori (Gregory)
Dennis
Dmitry (Demetrius)
Evgeny (Eugene)
Ivan (John)
Igor
Ilya (Elijah)
Joseph
Kirill (Cyril)
Constantine
Leo
Luka (Luke)
Maxim
Matvey (Matthew)
Michael
Nikita
Nikolay (Nicholas)
Oleg
Pavel (Paul)
Pyotr (Peter)
Porfiri (Porphyrius)
Roman
Rostislav
Ruslan
Rurik
Svyatoslav
Semyon (Simeon)
Sergey (Sergius)
Stanislav
Stepan (Steven, Stephen)
Feodor (Theodore)
Filipp (Philip)
Yuri (George)
Yakov (James, Jacob)
Yaroslav

[cegorach]

THank you. But I have the name list ready for a long time.


Finished roster so back on the top.

[Ivan_the_Terrible]

He's at the very end of the mod,

The russians shouldn't have a princess unit as they were forbidden to marry outside of the orthodox religon, which after constantinople, fell constited of just the russians.


I'm sorry, but thats completely wrong. Russian Princesses could, and did, marry foreign men of different religions. For example there was Uliana Alexandrovna of Tver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uliana_Alexandrovna_of_Tver) who married the Lithuanian Grand Duke Algirdas in 1350 - who was not only not an Orthodox Christian, but a pagan!

There are numerous other examples of Russian princes marrying into Roman Catholic families (most notably, the French royal family and various German families).

Excuse me if I come off as a little abbrassive, but that statement was completely wrong.

Thanks.

[Trax]

These examples are from an earlier period, during the reign of Ivan IV it would have been unthinkable.

[Ivan_the_Terrible]

Why would it be any different under Ivan IV?

He did not change the religion or its norms. If it happened (rather frequently) before and after his reign and there is no evidence to suggest that he (or anyone else) personally forbid the practice, then why not give the player the opportunity to use princesses?