Game starts, and all AI factions are at peace with Slaves! Help Please

[gladiator777]

:wall: I changed diplomacy settings in the game so that the factions would attack rebels first and expand and then take out each other, in any case now no one is at war with slaves when game begins and in the desc_strat it says all faction standings are at war with slaves, what did I do wrong do you think?

Now the factions just sit around doing nothing in the beginning, when they should be taking every rebel settlement next to them. France has a lot of rebel settlements nearby, on turn 22, they still haven't attacke one, nor has spain, portugal, denmark etc.

Here is what I did, in the desc_strat, on the pad everything looks placed correctly, I followed instructions, but I obviously screwed up somewhere.

; >>>> start of diplomacy section <<<<

faction_standings england, 0.5 france, scotland, venice, milan, hre, poland, hungary, spain, sicily, denmark, portugal, papal_states
faction_standings england 0.2 russia, byzantium
faction_standings england -0.5 moors, turks, egypt
faction_standings england, -0.9 slave
faction_standings scotland, 0.5 england, france, venice, milan, hre, poland, hungary, spain, sicily, denmark, portugal, papal_states
faction_standings scotland, 0.2 russia, byzantium
faction_standings scotland, -0.5 moors, turks, egypt
faction_standings scotland, -0.9 slave
faction_standings france, 0.5 england, scotland, venice, milan, hre, poland, hungary, spain, sicily, denmark, portugal, papal_states

faction_standings france, 0.2 russia, byzantium
faction_standings france, -0.5 moors, turks, egypt
faction_standings france, -0.9 slave
faction_standings venice, 0.5 england, france, scotland, milan, hre, poland, hungary, spain, sicily, denmark, portugal, papal_states

faction_standings venice, 0.2 russia, byzantium
faction_standings venice, -0.5 moors, turks, egypt
faction_standings venice, -0.9 slave
faction_standings milan, 0.5 england, france, scotland, venice, hre, poland, hungary, spain, sicily, denmark, portugal, papal_states

faction_standings milan 0.2 russia, byzantium
faction_standings milan -0.5 moors, turks, egypt
faction_standings milan, -0.9 slave
faction_standings hre, 0.5 england, france, scotland, venice, milan, poland, hungary, spain, sicily, denmark, portugal, papal_states

faction_standings hre, 0.2 russia, byzantium
faction-standings hre -0.5 moors, turks, egypt
faction_standings hre, -0.9 slave
faction_standings poland, 0.5 england, france, scotland, venice, milan, hre, hungary, spain, sicily, denmark, portugal, papal_states

faction_standings poland, 0.2 russia, byzantium
faction_standings poland -0.5 moors, turks, egypt
faction_standings poland, -0.9 slave
faction_standings hungary, 0.5 england, france, scotland, venice, milan, hre, poland, spain, sicily, denmark, portugal, papal_states
faction_standings hungary, 0.2 russia, byzantium
faction_standings hungary -0.5 moors, turks, egypt
faction_standings hungary, -0.9 slave
faction_standings spain, 0.5 england, france, scotland, venice, milan, hre, poland, hungary, sicily, denmark, portugal, papal_states

faction_standings spain, 0.2 russia, byzantium
faction_standings spain, -0.5 moors, turks, egypt
faction_standings spain, -0.9 slave
faction_standings sicily, 0.5 england, france, scotland, venice, milan, hre, poland, hungary, spain, denmark, portugal, papal_states

faction_standings sicily, 0.2 byzantium, russia
faction_standings sicily, -0.5 moors, turks, egypt
faction_standings sicily, -0.9 slave
faction_standings denmark, 0.5 england, france, scotland, venice, milan, hre, poland, hungary, spain, sicily, portugal, papal_states
faction_standings denmark, 0.2 russia, byzantium
faction_standings denmark, -0.5 moors, turks, egypt
faction_standings denmark, -0.9 slave
faction_standings portugal, 0.5 england, france, scotland, venice, milan, hre, poland, hungary, sicily, denmark, spain, papal_states
faction_standings portugal, 0.2 russia, byzantium
faction_standings portugal, -0.5 moors, turks, egypt
faction_standings portugal, -0.9 slave
faction_standings papal_states, 0.5 england, france, scotland, venice, milan, hre, poland, hungary, spain, sicily, denmark, portugal
faction_standings papal_states, 0.2 russia, byzantium
faction_standings papal_states, -0.5 moors, turks, egypt
faction_standings papal_states, -0.9 slave
faction_standings moors, 0.5 turks, egypt
faction_standings moors, -0.5 england, france, scotland, venice, milan, hre, poland, hungary, spain, sicily, denmark, portugal, papal_states, russia, byzantium

faction_standings moors, -0.9 slave
faction_standings byzantium, 0.5 russia
faction_standings byzantium, 0.2 england, france, scotland, venice, milan, hre, poland, hungary, spain, sicily, denmark, portugal, papal_states

faction_standings byzantium, -0.5 moors, turks, egypt
faction_standings byzantium, -0.9 slave
faction_standings turks, 0.5 egypt, moors
faction_standings turks, -0.5 england, france, scotland, venice, milan, hre, poland, hungary, spain, sicily, denmark, portugal, papal_states, russia, byzantium

faction_standings turks, -0.9 slave
faction_standings egypt, 0.5 moors, turks
faction_standings egypt, -0.5 england, france, scotland, venice, milan, hre, poland, hungary, spain, sicily, denmark, portugal, papal_states, russia, byzantium

faction_standings egypt, -0.9 slave
faction_standings russia, 0.5 byzantium
faction_standings russia, 0.2 england, france, scotland, venice, milan, hre, poland, hungary, spain, sicily, denmark, portugal, papal_states
faction_standings russia, -0.5 moors, turks, egypt
faction_standings russia, -0.9 slave

faction_relationships england, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships france, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships hre, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships spain, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships venice, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships sicily, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships milan, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships scotland, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships byzantium, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships russia, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships moors, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships turks, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships egypt, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships denmark, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships portugal, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships poland, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships papal_states, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships aztecs, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships slave, at_war_with england, france, hre, spain, venice, sicily, milan, scotland, byzantium, russia, moors, turks, egypt, denmark, portugal, poland, hungary, papal_states, Aztecs

[econ21]

This is a modding topic - moving to the M2TW modding area.

[WImPyTjeH]

suggestion: restart campaign

last option: ask a friend or member to copy the descr_strat.txt and paste it into your imperial_campaign folder :wink:

other option: download a mod :)

W

[Agapeus]

:boxing:

hm, after looking around these cool mod threads, through some mods according my personal ideas, in my game not only that major factions attack rebels but sometimes slaves attack me ( Nothingam being sieged by rebels because i left 1 archer unit there), and as such they might attack other factions. that is playing at vh/vh.

as some suggests rebel agresion might be influenced by their wealth (!) & standings (?).

My tests r with england.
in descr_strat i have

start_date 1080 summer
end_date 1630 winter
timescale 1.00

in turn 71 i did try 2 times to take Brugge after Fr and HRE lost there each 2 packed armies. i lost - badly.
Brugge still rebel is full with all kind of troops at 3 bronze exp some at 1 silver. And buildings: port, abbey, market, etc.
on 1 island in mediterana got myself in front of a rebel citadel (!!!) heavy garrisoned. all in all this might put a strain on factions in gen but after some experiments i thing i got the value that makes me happy-puppy. lol

well down near the bottom of descr_strat r settings for slave factions. I changed as following:

faction slave, balanced smith
ai_label slave_faction
denari 50000
denari_kings_purse 10000

I want a "masochistic" vh/vh :whip: thus besides some better standings with Popey ( ahem, meant Poop, auch , strike that: its "the Pope" ) as UK im almost immediately at war with Scots & Fr. till turn 20 the scots didnt attack being busy very hard to take dublin & Inverness both packed with rebels ( replenished each turn - creepy):charge:
even taking York was a challenge lost 1st time got it 2nd. heavy losses.

in faction relations ( anyway my idea of a medieval world playing as UK )

faction_standings england, -0.8 france, scotland
faction_standings england, -0.8 slave
faction_standings scotland, -0.8 england
faction_standings scotland, 0.4 france
faction_standings scotland, -0.8 slave
faction_standings france, -0.8 england
faction_standings france, 0.4 scotland
faction_standings france, -0.8 slave
faction_standings venice, -0.2 byzantium
faction_standings venice, -0.6 milan, hre
faction_standings venice, -0.6 slave
faction_standings milan, -0.4 venice, hre
faction_standings milan, -0.8 slave
faction_standings hre, -0.2 poland
faction_standings hre, -0.8 venice, milan
faction_standings hre, -0.8 slave
faction_standings poland, -0.2 russia, hre
faction_standings poland, 0.2 hungary
faction_standings poland, -0.6 slave
faction_standings hungary, -0.2 byzantium
faction_standings hungary, 0.2 poland
faction_standings hungary, -0.6 slave
faction_standings spain, 0.2 portugal
faction_standings spain, -0.8 moors
faction_standings spain, -0.6 slave
faction_standings sicily, -0.2 moors
faction_standings sicily, -0.4 byzantium
faction_standings sicily, -0.6 slave
faction_standings denmark, -0.6 slave
faction_standings portugal, 0.2 spain
faction_standings portugal, -0.8 moors
faction_standings portugal, -0.6 slave
faction_standings papal_states, -0.2 hre, scotland
faction_standings papal_states, 0.4 england, portugal, poland, hungary
faction_standings papal_states, -0.8 slave
faction_standings moors, -0.1 sicily
faction_standings moors, -0.8 spain, portugal
faction_standings moors, -0.8 slave
faction_standings byzantium, -0.2 hungary, venice
faction_standings byzantium, -0.4 sicily
faction_standings byzantium, -0.8 hungary
faction_standings byzantium, -0.4 turks
faction_standings byzantium, -0.8 slave
faction_standings turks, 0.4 egypt
faction_standings turks, -0.8 byzantium
faction_standings turks, -0.8 slave
faction_standings egypt, 0.4 turks
faction_standings egypt, -0.8 slave

faction_relationships england, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships france, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships hre, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships hre, at_war_with milan
faction_relationships spain, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships venice, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships sicily, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships milan, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships milan, at_war_with hre
faction_relationships scotland, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships byzantium, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships byzantium, at_war_with turks
faction_relationships russia, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships moors, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships turks, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships turks, at_war_with byzantium
faction_relationships turks, allied_to egypt
faction_relationships egypt, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships egypt, allied_to turks
faction_relationships denmark, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships portugal, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships poland, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships hungary, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships papal_states, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships aztecs, at_war_with slave
faction_relationships slave, at_war_with england, france, hre, spain, venice, sicily, milan, scotland, byzantium, russia, moors, turks, egypt, denmark, portugal, poland, hungary, papal_states, aztecs

the above
faction_standings papal_states, -0.2 hre, scotland
didnt help as scots may bust :smash: me anytime while me even complaining is a reason for Papal anger... lol:wall:
ill try -8 just to see what's happening...

thus perhaps pre-setting some peace & war plus increasing (lol) love & hate might help, based that rebels r "fat" & "attractive" to major "suitors" as Fr , HRE etc those buggers will go for them as nuts.:viking:
~:wave:

[gladiator777]

wow those are some very aggressive settings, would definitely make for a difficult game once everyone starts ganging up on you. I think that after the patch comes out i will see what changes if any are made to diplomacy, try a campaign and see how hard it is. If its too easy then I will increase the diplomacy settings to make factions more aggressive in general and towards me. Right now I am surprised, playing as the scots england was a push over, one of their stacks rebeled and england used its forces to fight it, but they always fought it with less forces and lost all of their armies, all they really ended up with were generals, so they were pretty easy to beat. Perhaps the rebel settings should be reduced some as my provinces are in good order, but I always find a new rebel stack somewhere, this one had about 10 units next to inverness.

I find I am not fighting that much either, mostly just siege battles, so yup, after the patch comes I will see how it is and how diplomacy is, should make the game outstanding I hope.

[Agapeus]

I find I am not fighting that much either, mostly just siege battles, so yup, after the patch comes I will see how it is and how diplomacy is, should make the game outstanding I hope.
:duel:
sieged here as well. since my inability to muster enough forces to play aggressive. i was till turn 120 mostly on defence in fr. while i concentrated all my forces in north to fight the scots. the best part of all those settings , besides the incredible hard game-play in gen (imho) is that I fought HRE advanced troops, and mad M2TW scots (lol). and last but not least (absolutely) is that in my painful crusade i fought Janisary, Ottoman infantry etc. and being repelled (btw - i called the crusade, fr. Venice, HRE joined - we all got beaten vh ) i took that island west Acre. packet with cool Byzantine troops i had to seige it 8 turns last two turns being in negative balance... but now is getting better. thus , although a bit too "masochistic" so far "my" relations & other value's settings r giving me a serious & entertaining challenge.:whip:

M2TW is perhaps the best game i ever played.
:charge:
imho