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tito
01-07-2007, 20:59
what about the map?
it would be like rtr?
Did we have a part of africa(Niger,soudan,ethipia)
Did we have the arabia part?(oman ,eden...socotra)?:egypt:

saapas
01-07-2007, 21:20
https://img223.imageshack.us/img223/7383/1071mapmininamespl9.jpg

mayhem87
01-07-2007, 22:28
tito, you must read those threads more carefuly and not ask questions on everything:book:

tito
01-08-2007, 08:27
sorry!
but can i say that i am not agree with this map?
i would like to know if it is possible to discuss about it or if it is like the faction -no discussion available.
for my part ,I would prefer all arabia ,afganistan ,all scandinavia and subsahara city like tobocto and if it is possible the nubia,wich was an orthodox country would can be use against egypte and could be a good allied for crusader....

mayhem87
01-08-2007, 16:45
Problem is, that there is only 31 slots for factions and they r full -> with more important factions. And they will not change it ( until release of 1.0 version )

tito
01-08-2007, 17:01
Yes of course
But;can we have strong rebel instead of faction.
for example strong nubian rebelor nomad rebel in the sub sahara area will be a good challange for moor or egypte
moreover it will open a new front with this faction (sud border issue!)

tito
01-08-2007, 17:01
Yes of course
But;can we have strong rebel instead of faction.
for example strong nubian rebelor nomad rebel in the sub sahara area will be a good challange for moor or egypte
moreover it will open a new front with this faction (sud border issue!)

Baldwin of Jerusalem
01-14-2007, 18:58
Am I missing something? "Strong" rebels won't challenge anyone.

mayhem87
01-14-2007, 23:57
dont worry, its just Tito ;-D

Octavianus
01-27-2007, 01:39
Why don't you add Iceland in the top left of your map ? Danes colonized it.

Icefrisco
01-27-2007, 14:59
how relevant was iceland to medieval warfare?

nekrotyrael
01-27-2007, 19:37
how relevant was iceland to medieval warfare?

very much. basicly, iceland was the center of the known world in medieval times.

Zenith Darksea
01-30-2007, 12:28
very much. basicly, iceland was the center of the known world in medieval times.

You are taking the piss, aren't you?

pontifexx
01-30-2007, 17:06
Why is the balkan peninsula so screwed again... and why is there a seaside kingdom of Serbia and no kingdom of Croatia?

Zenith Darksea
01-30-2007, 22:01
As far as I'm aware (and my memory is a little hazy), the Serbian faction in the early period represents the Kingdom of Rashka, which would grow into the larger Serbia later in the game. I think that frankly, when push came to shove, MTR felt that they could only really afford to use one faciton slot for that area of the map and decided that Serbia was more important in the long run than Croatia.

derfinsterling
02-26-2007, 16:18
Croatia recognised the Hungarian king as King of Croatia in 1102 and stayed in that personalunion until th 16th century. Serbia, on the other hand, gave rise to four independent kingdoms till the 14th century that would eventually become the Serbian Empire in 1346.
That, of course lead in turn to the downfall of the Serbian people when they were conquered by the Ottoman Turks in 1371. But in the time scale of M2TW, Serbia's much more a mover and shaker than Croatia.

AnthoniusII
02-26-2007, 19:43
Croatia recognised the Hungarian king as King of Croatia in 1102 and stayed in that personalunion until th 16th century. Serbia, on the other hand, gave rise to four independent kingdoms till the 14th century that would eventually become the Serbian Empire in 1346.
That, of course lead in turn to the downfall of the Serbian people when they were conquered by the Ottoman Turks in 1371. But in the time scale of M2TW, Serbia's much more a mover and shaker than Croatia.
Cities in western balkans like zara,ragusa etc where under a semi indipantante state under the banner of the Roman(Byzantine)Emperor since the last balkan wars of Basileios II Bulgaroctonus.Their local rulers had the title of Dux(dux of serbia,dux of croatia etc).In 1071 Serbian reagions revolted but croatia still had the same goverment status for atleast 50 years.Croatia was under the protection of the Hungarian rulers even the time of the Crusade attack against Zarra in 1202.:book:

OssomTossom
02-27-2007, 19:45
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Why don't you add Iceland in the top left of your map ? Danes colonized it.
No they didn't. Norwegians did, mostly, and the colonization period ended before the start of this game (it ended in 930). It remained independent until the thirteenth century, when it came under Norwegian rule. Only with the Kalmar Union did Iceland fall under the Danish crown.

And, anyway, Iceland as a country wasn't terribly important during the Middle Ages. There was a small civil war here, just before it became part of the kingdom of Norway, but I don't think any king raised a whole unit here to fight in a war on the continent. Some wool and fish was exported, but that's about it, as far as I know.

Anyway, what should the settlement in Iceland be called? There were no villages, towns or cities here at this time, only farms.

Of course, that being said, I would personally love to be able to play an Icelandic faction and go on to conquer at least Norway and Denmark :laugh4:

Baldwin of Jerusalem
02-27-2007, 21:35
Why does the map have to go so far east? In my opinion it only needs to go far enough east to include the south eastern edge of the Caspian sea. That would also free up enough province slots for more detail in Europe and you could lose Transoxiana and free up another faction slot. It just seems to me that the extra 10 faction slots are going to be wasted with this un neccesarily expanded map and the factions will be spread very thin. Diplomacy is now moddable as opposed to RTW which was basically a lost cause no matter what mod was applied, so you could afford to have factions in close proximity now, because they can actually talk to each other. I know that the Seljuks have to be represented adequately but my suggestion would do them justice I think.

D. Afonso Henriques
06-16-2007, 19:29
Well Baldwin those as a point, but please don't remove too much. The Turks were a powerfull faction, so we must be carefull not to "underpower" them, after all, they do have to fight the Bysantine Empire.

Milovan
06-16-2007, 22:14
The Turks were powerful, but they didn't keep control over those vast areas of Asia. As a nomadic nation they just left them for the ones they took from Rhomania.

D. Afonso Henriques
06-17-2007, 11:39
I never said they did, in fact that's one of the reasons for me to agree to the idea of removing those provinces:
1. For realism;
2. To give room for other more important, Like the Algarves and many others.

Bayard
06-26-2007, 11:58
I think there should be at least one more province/city in France, which was the most populated kingdom of Europe during the Middle Ages: 15 to 20 millions "Frenchman" compared to only 4 in England and Spain for example.

Pablo Sanchez
07-01-2007, 20:55
I think there should be at least one more province/city in France, which was the most populated kingdom of Europe during the Middle Ages: 15 to 20 millions "Frenchman" compared to only 4 in England and Spain for example.

France indeed had a much greater population than other nearby states during the period being modeled, but I think the population of the area is only a secondary factor in determining the number of provinces is represented. Spain and England had drastically lower populations than France, but were able to raise and maintain armies of comparable fighting capacity, and their treasuries weren't exactly tiny by comparison, either.

AnthoniusII
07-02-2007, 00:10
I think there should be at least one more province/city in France, which was the most populated kingdom of Europe during the Middle Ages: 15 to 20 millions "Frenchman" compared to only 4 in England and Spain for example.
Twenty milions????When crusaders of the 1st crusade saw Constantinople they admited that the 10 biggest cities of western europe could fit in the city's ground.In the plague period 60% of europe's population died...they were almost 10 milions!!How france had 20 milions of it's own?European cities were just villages compered to huge east urban centers like Thesalonica,Anthioch,Edessa,Bagdad,Alexandria and many more...The only exeption were the islamic cities of south spain Cordoba,Granada etc.:book:

Sandouras
07-02-2007, 02:53
Anthonius, I just noticed you are Greek as well! Hehe patrioti!
Arent you a bit biased in your last post?

Pablo Sanchez
07-02-2007, 19:18
Twenty milions????When crusaders of the 1st crusade saw Constantinople they admited that the 10 biggest cities of western europe could fit in the city's ground.

France lacked large cities in the medieval period because it's population was overwhelmingly rural. The French economic and political system favored decentralization, and it also favored castle towns over cities.


In the plague period 60% of europe's population died...they were almost 10 milions!!

So what you're suggesting is that the total population of Europe in 1347 was only 17 million? That is staggeringly low and I have to ask where you've got it from. Reliable estimates of total European population in the 1340s are right around 70 million!

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/pop-in-eur.html


How france had 20 milions of it's own?

The commonly accepted figure for the French population in 1340 is about 20 millions.


European cities were just villages compered to huge east urban centers like Thesalonica,Anthioch,Edessa,Bagdad,Alexandria and many more...The only exeption were the islamic cities of south spain Cordoba,Granada etc.:book:

Again, the societies of western Europe were extremely rural during the middle ages. One major cause is the feudal socio-economic system, which kept on the land peasants who might otherwise have moved to cities in search of better prospects. The gist is that in Western European countries the cities made up an insignificant portion of the population.

To be fair, the European population in 1340 (when France had 20 millions) definitely represents the peak of the medieval period.

AnthoniusII
07-02-2007, 19:19
My dear felow sadournas is there any Thesallonike else than in Greece?Anyway what i have wrote is the memories of a crusader when he saw Constantinople.For the european population the info i use was in "history chanel" movie about the plague and the afects it had to the known world.That's it,i had no bad intantions to anyone i'm just trying to be correct.I am not perfect...who is anyway?:laugh4:

King Orko
07-02-2007, 19:57
Twenty milions????When crusaders of the 1st crusade saw Constantinople they admited that the 10 biggest cities of western europe could fit in the city's ground.In the plague period 60% of europe's population died...they were almost 10 milions!!How france had 20 milions of it's own?European cities were just villages compered to huge east urban centers like Thesalonica,Anthioch,Edessa,Bagdad,Alexandria and many more...The only exeption were the islamic cities of south spain Cordoba,Granada etc.:book:
It is really true! European medieval cities were huge and vast! the "small villages" of London, Rome, Paris and Venice had 100,000 people each! They also had very few publiic buildings such as cathedrals, university, lots of guilds, huge markets, taverns, inns, schools, hospitals, courts. They also had a poor mangemant, with laws, civil codes, punishments for certain crimes, rights and duties list for every citizen. These is a truely poor managemant system! and off coruse that europe had 10 nillion people after the plague and that a century before it had 60 million people, and it is totally possible that that since than, 650 years past and europe's population greaw in 6530%, it is surely possible, isn't it?

AnthoniusII
07-02-2007, 20:15
It is really true! European medieval cities were huge and vast! the "small villages" of London, Rome, Paris and Venice had 100,000 people each! They also had very few publiic buildings such as cathedrals, university, lots of guilds, huge markets, taverns, inns, schools, hospitals, courts. They also had a poor mangemant, with laws, civil codes, punishments for certain crimes, rights and duties list for every citizen. These is a truely poor managemant system! and off coruse that europe had 10 nillion people after the plague and that a century before it had 60 million people, and it is totally possible that that since than, 650 years past and europe's population greaw in 6530%, it is surely possible, isn't it?
You are correct about italian cities,london,paris even for some ex roman cities and forts...Constantinople in 1000ad had 600000 population and it was only one of the huge urban centers throuch out the east...European cities could NOT habidant over 100000 (if you are wright) because they had not what they need to...clean water mainly and health fasilities swers for examble.Exept the italian and the ex roman cities no other european one had such comforts maybe because in the catholicism was blasfime for people to clean them selfs...See the famous renaisance pallaces,they had no toilets...If the royal members were like this imagine the peasantry...When spanish took over Granada they destoyed most of those health fassilities...That was the main deferance between eastmen and westmen...Arabs translate all ancient sripts and continued the roman way of city structhures..,When the crusaders ocupayed Jerusalem massacered almost all the population cristian and muslim and desroyed all it's fasillities because they could NOT oparate them."HISTORY OG BALTWIN"

King Orko
07-02-2007, 20:39
You are correct about italian cities,london,paris even for some ex roman cities and forts...Constantinople in 1000ad had 600000 population and it was only one of the huge urban centers throuch out the east...European cities could NOT habidant over 100000 (if you are wright) because they had not what they need to...clean water mainly and health fasilities swers for examble.Exept the italian and the ex roman cities no other european one had such comforts maybe because in the catholicism was blasfime for people to clean them selfs...See the famous renaisance pallaces,they had no toilets...If the royal members were like this imagine the peasantry...When spanish took over Granada they destoyed most of those health fassilities...That was the main deferance between eastmen and westmen...Arabs translate all ancient sripts and continued the roman way of city structhures..,When the crusaders ocupayed Jerusalem massacered almost all the population cristian and muslim and desroyed all it's fasillities because they could NOT oparate them."HISTORY OG BALTWIN"
1. the reinessance palaces didn't have toilets because in this times, the toilet an invention that was not still invented them!
2. I read a book about it and it says that in the 11th century Europe started using advanced medicine, they started building hospital and they were the first ones to do so, in spain there was a medical testing for all the citizens once a month!
3. I also read a book about that and I discoverd that constantinople had 200,000 in the middle ages
4. Paris was one of the most advanced cities in europe, with a wide number of people and public buildings and I am sure that it got 100,000 people in that time

Milovan
07-02-2007, 21:03
1. the reinessance palaces didn't have toilets because in this times, the toilet an invention that was not still invented them!
2. I read a book about it and it says that in the 11th century Europe started using advanced medicine, they started building hospital and they were the first ones to do so, in spain there was a medical testing for all the citizens once a month!
3. I also read a book about that and I discoverd that constantinople had 200,000 in the middle ages
4. Paris was one of the most advanced cities in europe, with a wide number of people and public buildings and I am sure that it got 100,000 people in that time


??????????

1. The toilet itself was found in palaces of ancient Greeks and many others (I can't believe what we're discussing right now...)
2. So 11th century EUROPE INVENTED hospitals? Did they not exist in the Muslim world long before that? And weren't these European hospitals meant to house only plague victims? And the advanced medicine usually included ingredients such as 'unicorn's horn powder' (that's from the London plague in the 1600's)
3. What book? Great discovery, Columbus.
4. Sure, it was big and great and center of known world, etc but WHAT makes you so sure it was 100k?

Sandouras
07-03-2007, 02:31
King Orko you are extremely biased and a blind fanboy. learn2/history
Also, last year i did a project about hospitals in the Byz. empire. Sure, they didnt have scalpels and modern drugs, but you would be amazed by the level of organization these hospitals had. They had wings for different illnesses, wings for the elderly and the staff/patient ratio was 3:1 if i remember correctly, which is outstanding! Historians say that modern hospitals have their routes on those byz hospitals.

King Orko
07-03-2007, 11:35
??????????

1. The toilet itself was found in palaces of ancient Greeks and many others (I can't believe what we're discussing right now...)
2. So 11th century EUROPE INVENTED hospitals? Did they not exist in the Muslim world long before that? And weren't these European hospitals meant to house only plague victims? And the advanced medicine usually included ingredients such as 'unicorn's horn powder' (that's from the London plague in the 1600's)
3. What book? Great discovery, Columbus.
4. Sure, it was big and great and center of known world, etc but WHAT makes you so sure it was 100k?
1. these toilets were just holes where you craped in and not truely toilets, and these toilets existed in the middle ages.
2. yes Europe invented hospitals and the great center of medicine ever was in the city of Salerno, That is in EUROPE
3. belive me
4. the book I read

AnthoniusII
07-03-2007, 12:16
1. these toilets were just holes where you craped in and not truely toilets, and these toilets existed in the middle ages.
2. yes Europe invented hospitals and the great center of medicine ever was in the city of Salerno, That is in EUROPE
3. belive me
4. the book I read
Why my dear felow can you not admit that in ancient,roman and medeival ages europe was far behind in medicine,health facilities,state organisation and many things more,than greek,roman,midleeast,chinesse and other civilisations...Alicarnasus (today under turkish rule in the west coast of asia minor) had swers build in 8th century bc and are still in use...Ancient people like egyptians,persians ,greeks and many others payed to much attention to public health.After all all doctors of the world still vouh on Ippocrates... Afcourse Romans took the technology of health ages beyond...Byzantines used and developed this tech.Arabs after they conquered ex roman and ex byzantine provinses adapted the culthure they found in them,simply because they were open minded and had no coblex of superiority...See the islamic cities of toledo,cordoba,granada and compeare them with european cities of their time...If europe knows something obout ancient culture,philosophy and technology is becaouse of the arabs and their weal for knowlege.:book: So my friend be open minded your self.You might know something more...

King Orko
07-03-2007, 12:38
Why my dear felow can you not admit that in ancient,roman and medeival ages europe was far behind in medicine,health facilities,state organisation and many things more,than greek,roman,midleeast,chinesse and other civilisations...Alicarnasus (today under turkish rule in the west coast of asia minor) had swers build in 8th century bc and are still in use...Ancient people like egyptians,persians ,greeks and many others payed to much attention to public health.After all all doctors of the world still vouh on Ippocrates... Afcourse Romans took the technology of health ages beyond...Byzantines used and developed this tech.Arabs after they conquered ex roman and ex byzantine provinses adapted the culthure they found in them,simply because they were open minded and had no coblex of superiority...See the islamic cities of toledo,cordoba,granada and compeare them with european cities of their time...If europe knows something obout ancient culture,philosophy and technology is becaouse of the arabs and their weal for knowlege.:book: So my friend be open minded your self.You might know something more...
From my impression it seems that you try to argue with me and take this too serious. I don't say that you are completely wrong, I knoe that roman, Arab and Greek civilizations were advanced I don't say they weren;t, I zust try to prove you that the european middle ages were not the most poor ages of all times and that only bad things happend than and nothing good happend, that all of the populationwas stupid and they didn't know anything about managemennt, medicine or science, because you think so.

AnthoniusII
07-03-2007, 17:38
From my impression it seems that you try to argue with me and take this too serious. I don't say that you are completely wrong, I knoe that roman, Arab and Greek civilizations were advanced I don't say they weren;t, I zust try to prove you that the european middle ages were not the most poor ages of all times and that only bad things happend than and nothing good happend, that all of the populationwas stupid and they didn't know anything about managemennt, medicine or science, because you think so.
I have nothing personal with anyone...In these forums we all try to make the GAME we like a bit better.No human race is stupid that's for sure.All humans have their own share for humanity's development.As for the history we all must remember what Thoucidides(the father of historians)said... History is a number of facts that none can change...but if someone wishes to know them can not simply have only one view,even after 100 views a historian is just closer to the truth...:book: :2thumbsup: PS This series of games were a good reason for all of us to learn something more and we just share our knowlege.Have fun:laugh4:

King Orko
07-03-2007, 19:26
I have nothing personal with anyone...In these forums we all try to make the GAME we like a bit better.No human race is stupid that's for sure.All humans have their own share for humanity's development.As for the history we all must remember what Thoucidides(the father of historians)said... History is a number of facts that none can change...but if someone wishes to know them can not simply have only one view,even after 100 views a historian is just closer to the truth...:book: :2thumbsup: PS This series of games were a good reason for all of us to learn something more and we just share our knowlege.Have fun:laugh4:
OK so it is fine now

Pablo Sanchez
07-03-2007, 20:26
Looking over the map a little more, I'm finding things that I'm sort of mystified by. For example, why does Livonia have three provinces, and Scotland four, while the Low Countries have only two?

Also, while some areas (Hungary and the Balkans, British Isles, Southern Italy) look very good viz. the province boundaries, other areas (mainly the HRE) look very odd. Stuff like tearing up the Tirol and Switzerland into a bunch of pieces and distributing them to neighboring provinces, giving Ostfriesland to the Netherlands, and in general some very oddly shaped provinces in the HRE that I can't really understand the reasoning for. Everything in the map looks fairly good, apart from the HRE (and the Algeria province which reaches down into interior and looks really weird).

EDIT:
Nevermind, I did a google image search and I guess the map of the HRE is being based directly on the official division of the Empire as here (http://www.uncp.edu/home/rwb/Holy_roman_Empire_Map1.jpg). In fact that might be the exact map they're using. I just disagree with it because the way the provinces were officially set up was not how they were actually divided in practice.

mlp071
07-04-2007, 16:50
1. these toilets were just holes where you craped in and not truely toilets, and these toilets existed in the middle ages.
2. yes Europe invented hospitals and the great center of medicine ever was in the city of Salerno, That is in EUROPE
3. belive me
4. the book I read


I don't know which book you read , but i would sugest you to find different author.:2thumbsup: That one sunds like someone that had all things twisted :beam:

Did you ever had chance to se Roman toiletes?They were not just holes, they had runing watter in it. After fall or WRE, barbarians (Saxons, Allemanni,Goths,etc...)neglected almost everything that was unknown and new for them(civilized) .They kept only their tribal ideas(hence fiefdoms and petty internal fights)

Universities and hospitals were invention of Ancient world (not just romans).
Only ones that kept them alive were ERE and eastern nations.While in Europe ,when they needed to go , they would grab first tree.

Hospital and University in Baghdad or Cordoba (for example) were established before any in Europe.They were part of great mosques, but they still existed.
Soap was used by Easterners 500 years before Europe,they only started to use it(in very limited way) after First crusade.Constantinopole had runing watter , public baths and libraries till it's fall.While at same time London had open sewage in middle of the streets till 18-19 century(yuck).

It was noted by catholic monks visiting Moorish Cordoba , that just one household library there contained more books then whole Western Europe at that time.

And eye surgeries(or any complicated) were common in those same areas way before medieval Europe even knew about them. Not to mention that in East there were using some version of checking accounts already.

I am not gonna even start how much advanced Chinese were in comparison to Europe at that time.

King Orko
07-04-2007, 19:20
I don't know which book you read , but i would sugest you to find different author.:2thumbsup: That one sunds like someone that had all things twisted :beam:

Did you ever had chance to se Roman toiletes?They were not just holes, they had runing watter in it. After fall or WRE, barbarians (Saxons, Allemanni,Goths,etc...)neglected almost everything that was unknown and new for them(civilized) .They kept only their tribal ideas(hence fiefdoms and petty internal fights)

Universities and hospitals were invention of Ancient world (not just romans).
Only ones that kept them alive were ERE and eastern nations.While in Europe ,when they needed to go , they would grab first tree.

Hospital and University in Baghdad or Cordoba (for example) were established before any in Europe.They were part of great mosques, but they still existed.
Soap was used by Easterners 500 years before Europe,they only started to use it(in very limited way) after First crusade.Constantinopole had runing watter , public baths and libraries till it's fall.While at same time London had open sewage in middle of the streets till 18-19 century(yuck).

It was noted by catholic monks visiting Moorish Cordoba , that just one household library there contained more books then whole Western Europe at that time.

And eye surgeries(or any complicated) were common in those same areas way before medieval Europe even knew about them. Not to mention that in East there were using some version of checking accounts already.

I am not gonna even start how much advanced Chinese were in comparison to Europe at that time.

The book is not wrong, you are wrong!
The liibrary of Cordoba had more books than all of existing ones in Europe?!!! Come on! to do that you had to build a two miles high buildings that has 10 miles each side! it is impposible!

medieval toilets were just like Roman ones!
So you are right, the Europeans didn't invent hospital, but they invented universitys for sure, they wrote in wikipedia that the first universities were estabelished in Europe, in Bulgaria, and than in Constantinople, than in Salerno, Bologna(that is consided as one of the most greatest univeritys in the world), than in Paris, than in Oxford. they didn't say in Cordoba! do you know what was the size of hotel dieu in Paris that was founded in the yrar 653?

Milovan
07-04-2007, 20:49
The book is not wrong, you are wrong!

:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Thanks for that one, I needed a good laugh... Seriously, though, if your primary sources are wikipedia and a book whose name or author you consistently avoid to expose, you really won't get anyone to believe those claims, completely ridiculous or not (and they pretty much are).

mlp071
07-04-2007, 20:50
Well according to same Wikipedia(which is not most accurate resource , btw ):

- if you don't count Plato's school as university , although by size it was
- University in Nalanda( todays India) 450AD
- University in Constantinopole 5th century AD
- University of Al-Karaouine (Fez , Morroco) 859AD
- Al-Azhar University around (Egypt) 9th century

then you have Ohrid , and then Salerno.....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University#The_first_universities

Last 2 (Al-Karaouine,Al-Azhar) are oldest universites that are still working.So 4 oldest ones are not in Europe , except one in Constantinopole:2thumbsup:

Most renown in Christian world was Bologna and in Islamic world is Al-Azhar (even today). So "most renown" term is also relative from religion point.

Please remember that Church was trying to supress any knowledge of writing for centuries, trying to keep it limited to clergy only.Thats why there was not to many books in Europe att.While in East at same time written word was fully encouraged.

And most of European knowledge came from research and discoveries made in so-called "Islamic golden age " that lasted from 622 to 1258, when was destroyed by Mongols.That knowledge triggered Renaissance period later on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

Just to make it clear i am originally from Europe (in USA now)and i was born and lived near relatively close to some of those European universities.

And regarding Baghdad Library :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Wisdom


Either way we are getting way off the topic of this thread .You can open another thread for this discussion. I don't mind going there and discussing it further :beam:

King Orko
07-05-2007, 07:17
a book whose name or author you consistently avoid to expose
What????!!!!!!!!
I am very sad for that you can't read, my fellow :embarassed:

Milovan
07-05-2007, 07:47
What????!!!!!!!!
I am very sad for that you can't read, my fellow :embarassed:

For the love of... What kind of an illiterate idiot are you? Either we're all blind or you're trying to make a fool of us all. Where did you name the book and the author? In every post you refer to it as "the book". You're just being obnoxious, SO CAN WE PLEASE GET BACK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND HERE?

King Orko
07-05-2007, 08:04
For the love of... What kind of an illiterate idiot are you? Either we're all blind or you're trying to make a fool of us all. Where did you name the book and the author? In every post you refer to it as "the book". You're just being obnoxious, SO CAN WE PLEASE GET BACK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND HERE?
Well, you didn't ask anything about it and how can I avoid to expose something like that? why? you didn't ask! you didn't tried to say it to me in other words! Iv'e mentionned it only two times so consistently trying to avoid it? come on!
and for that you won't say anymore that I am "Consistently trying to avoid" it, the name of the book is "the age of faith" and it got several authors

Sandouras
07-05-2007, 10:26
Orko, how old are you and where are you from?

King Orko
07-05-2007, 12:04
Orko, how old are you and where are you from?
I am 18 years old from Israel

Sandouras
07-06-2007, 20:54
I am 18 years
It shows.

King Orko
07-06-2007, 21:30
It shows.
A very adult thing to say :/

AnthoniusII
07-07-2007, 12:52
My dear friend King Orgo i have an age twice as yours.My advice to you is again the same...BE OPENMINDED...Don't use your nation's hates to learn history...For examble after emperor Heracleios defeated Sassanids Persians he banished all jwes from the reagion you now call Israel then part of east Roman empire becouase the helped persians to capture Jerusalim...Your people found sellter to gothic spain that time.When arabs invated spain they didn't heart any jwes untill the spanish reqonquista when they forced to leave spain by the cristians.That time the turkish sultan Suleiman the mugnifisent allowed your people to setlle in greek teritories and sities such Thessalonike ,Constantinople and many others.For this the local populations saw your people as invadors that help the other invadors to encure their occupation...ASK YOUR ELDERS OBOUT YOUR OWN HISTORY!!YOUR NATION'S WORST ENNEMIES WERE NOT ARABS!!!:book:

King Orko
07-07-2007, 13:07
My dear friend King Orgo i have an age twice as yours.My advice to you is again the same...BE OPENMINDED...Don't use your nation's hates to learn history...For examble after emperor Heracleios defeated Sassanids Persians he banished all jwes from the reagion you now call Israel then part of east Roman empire becouase the helped persians to capture Jerusalim...Your people found sellter to gothic spain that time.When arabs invated spain they didn't heart any jwes untill the spanish reqonquista when they forced to leave spain by the cristians.That time the turkish sultan Suleiman the mugnifisent allowed your people to setlle in greek teritories and sities such Thessalonike ,Constantinople and many others.For this the local populations saw your people as invadors that help the other invadors to encure their occupation...ASK YOUR ELDERS OBOUT YOUR OWN HISTORY!!YOUR NATION'S WORST ENNEMIES WERE NOT ARABS!!!:book:
1. Arabs today are my worst nation's enemires.
2. I know everything you say and it doesn't have anything with what I said
3. I am openminded, but I can't accept anything that other people say when it is about history.

AnthoniusII
07-08-2007, 00:11
1. Arabs today are my worst nation's enemires.
2. I know everything you say and it doesn't have anything with what I said
3. I am openminded, but I can't accept anything that other people say when it is about history.
Then you don't talk about history but a fantasy of your own...That IS NOT a reason to offend others and their knowlege for anythink...When you are a member of a forum like this you must be ready to axept other's opinion...Respect to all is a vital rule for such forums...Their intention is to share not to offend!!!We are all funs of a game we want to enjoy.P.S. We all have nations that some times have been hostille to us (France vs Germany,France vs England,North italians vs South italians,Greeks vs Turks...)The list is endless.Those hostillites can NOT change history.For examble even i am greek i can't change the FACT that ottomans were the first faction that create batteries( that means the artilery units) as indepantant units or that ottomans created for the first time in european history units with same and offisial uniforms...Europe created such uniforms 200 years later...So enjoy the game and....who knows we all may learn something more...:2thumbsup:

King Orko
07-08-2007, 06:49
Then you don't talk about history but a fantasy of your own...That IS NOT a reason to offend others and their knowlege for anythink...When you are a member of a forum like this you must be ready to axept other's opinion...Respect to all is a vital rule for such forums...Their intention is to share not to offend!!!We are all funs of a game we want to enjoy.P.S. We all have nations that some times have been hostille to us (France vs Germany,France vs England,North italians vs South italians,Greeks vs Turks...)The list is endless.Those hostillites can NOT change history.For examble even i am greek i can't change the FACT that ottomans were the first faction that create batteries( that means the artilery units) as indepantant units or that ottomans created for the first time in european history units with same and offisial uniforms...Europe created such uniforms 200 years later...So enjoy the game and....who knows we all may learn something more...:2thumbsup:
Why are you saying that I am trying to offend others? I am not. I am ready to accept other people's opinion, but it doesn't mean that everything others say I must accept.
well, I think it will be better if you PM me and we will get back to the theme of this thread.

Sandouras
07-08-2007, 23:12
ASK YOUR ELDERS OBOUT YOUR OWN HISTORY!!YOUR NATION'S WORST ENNEMIES WERE NOT ARABS!!!
Yeah, it was Hitler!

that ottomans created for the first time in european history units with same and offisial uniforms...Europe created such uniforms 200 years later...
Not so great a breakthrough in my opinion. I thought it was something pretty common in the middle ages. Romans had official uniforms for their soldiers. Please clarify what you mean.

Why are you saying that I am trying to offend others? I am not. I am ready to accept other people's opinion, but it doesn't mean that everything others say I must accept.
well, I think it will be better if you PM me and we will get back to the theme of this thread.
I agree with you. You dont offend anyone. You just jump to conclusions and act a bit.... childishly. I mean no harm, dont get me wrong, just ease up.

Yeah, lets get back to the main theme.

PS: To all of you: When you want to answer to a person, just respond. Quote some important parts, or important words if necessary. You dont need to quote his whole damn post! We can read what he wrote.

King Orko
07-09-2007, 06:52
Yeah, it was Hitler!


An enemy cannot be an enemy if he is dead!

PuppetMaster
07-10-2007, 04:44
An enemy cannot be an enemy if he is dead!


I support King Orko for the following reasons:


1. He's from Israel, and I am a proud American who backs his allies.

2. This "book" he keeps referring to, although it is probably made up, has had me laughing non-stop with each subsequent thread. I love how everyone in here is bugging out over how he cites it, yet he doesn't even state the author or the title haha.

3. He's in the Feudalism: Total War forum with me, where I started a lot of trouble with some kids from the Balkans just by kididng around. Lol.

Sandouras
07-10-2007, 11:17
So you think he did not cite the book title but still support him? Well you are dumb enough just for that, but even more, because he said which book it is and amazon has a great review for it. Who knows? It might be good.

All in all, i dont see how you support him, other than just saying that you do.

PuppetMaster
07-10-2007, 14:04
All in all, i dont see how you support him, other than just saying that you do.


Exactly.

Yo it would be in your best interest, Sandouras, to stop ruffling my feathers. Maybe I'll have to face you head to head on multiplayer and you'll see who is the boss...

Sandouras
07-10-2007, 16:26
CAPS LOCK MOTHERF#$#%! BRING IT ON! Just kidding. Yeah i would love to....

Milovan
07-10-2007, 17:11
Dear God, not here too...

PuppetMaster
07-11-2007, 15:23
Dear God, not here too...


Best get used to it son!

Milovan
07-11-2007, 16:50
Best get used to it son!

I ain't your son, you spoiled little brat. As long as this childish clutter keeps piling up, there's no point in discussing mods. I'm out.

Sandouras
07-11-2007, 19:53
Its not that you have posted anything in this thread before, or at least for some time WarHeart....
GTFO if you dont like it.... brat!

Maikiri
10-16-2007, 17:41
Hey guys just a question...

Weren't the berbers supposed to be in nowadays morocco and the moors a bit more west? i mean berbers are a rather nomadic nation and allowing them to control Tunis.... ??