Faction list!

[Aldaceleb]

Here is the faction list for NW:TW:

Spain
England
France
New Netherlands
New Sweden
United States
Russia
-
Apaches
Pueblos
Utes
Shoshones
Tlingits
Haida
Blackfeet
Dakotas
Comanche
Osage
Pawnees
Montagnais
Iroquois Confederacy
Huron Confederacy
Ojibway
Ohio Tribes
Susquehannock
Creek
-
Cherokee?
Choctaw?
Pirates?

[Warluster]

The united states will be like a horde faction, appearing when the revoulution happens.
The pirates will probaly be in the game, and playable, maybe blackbeaard will be in it:laugh4:

[Incongruous]

You might want to reconsider the title Britain.

England and Scotland, at the start date we're still very much independant of each other. Scotland did have it's own dreams of colonial Empire, but which floundered amid bankruptcy and bad planning.

Having the two nations in is far better, methinks.

[Warluster]

That would be Great Britain your thinking, Britain means just England, and we probaly wont include Scotland because it didnt have a lot to do with America back then.

[Incongruous]

Britain is a title used to describe the geagraphical area of the Isles. The United Kingdom of Great Britain is the political unit, which was far from reality in in the 1550's.

So perhaps you should make it, England?

[Warluster]

Thanks for pointing that out Bopa, changed now.

[Incongruous]

No probs!:2thumbsup:

[Russ Mitchell]

May I suggest Pequots and Narragansetts? Otherwise, the Goyana Shegoa is going to be able to move east too easily, and then the Hurons are screwed... okay, MORE screwed... ;)

[Aldaceleb]

Actually, Susquehannock faction is really a combination of various eastern tribes at that time, as making them all different factions would cause much work. Most eastern tribes didn't exist as political powers for the end of our campaign, so its better to make them a single faction.

[ratbarf]

Hmm... One thing I think you should add was the fact that a lot of those imperial powers also had to contend with other European powers. For instance Prussia and Germany, as well as the Austrians, Hungarians, and you still had the Ottoman Turks in there somewhere.... As well as the pope. Which played a massive part in colonialism in the 16th century with that half Spain and half portugal mess... Then you had the whole schism thing... Yah could add a bit more to the European part of it? Also please include Canada!!! (had important role in containing Northward expansion of America. Also we're the only ones to defeat them that I can think of. [yah we did have the help of Britain but oh well])

Also if you need a modeldb file writer, I can do that for you.

Just PM me.

[Roman_Man#3]

Maybe Canada could be an emerging faction. Doesn't seem right that they would be a faction from the start...

[Warluster]

We don't have Canada there ?

They are part of the France Faction, altough we could ahve them as a faction like Untied STates, they emerge after some time, will discuss that.

[Boyar Son]

Yes modern countries occupying the Americas will all be emerging factions, it makes sense.

[Roman_Man#3]

You might want Portugal as well. If memory serves, they did compete with Spain, France, England etc. for getting the most land as possible. They colonized Central America, and a bit of both the other Americas...If memory serves. I think they were too important in colonizing to forget... I would think more important than a Swedish faction considering the other factions you have...

RM3:wizard:

[Warluster]

But wasn't Porutgal a Main contender in South America, not North or Central ? And I don't think the colonised a lot of islands compared to others.

[ratbarf]

The Canadians would really just be Quebecois until they were conquered by Britain in 1776. (Quebecius are French Colonists) So that is out of the time frame if memory serves. Also, you should create a skirmesher unit of "Voyaguers" who were the ones who opened up most of the area into "New France" they should be recriutable by the French and the Huron, and Algonquin if they are being included. Also if you are going to include them, make them a province specific unit. Mostly to the cities of Quebec and Montreal, as well as St. Marie among the Huron as a fort. (wow, my sentance structure sucks) Another unit you should consider would be the local militia of Quebecois, who were frequently called upon in times of need. (Should be a strong light infantry unit with decent feildcraft skills and a hardy constitution.)

Also I can do ModelDB files if you want me too.

[methoz]

Why Russia? Russia conquest america? have some "interest" in america? More better is Bohemia :) :DBut its too unreal as Russia..

[Roman_Man#3]

They did go into Alaska.... So they might be a good idea, but not the best.

[Warluster]

Thats why we have them, as there main goal is to conquer Russia, and as TW games go 'Change History' you could conquer Mexico with a Russian Tzar!

[ratbarf]

Hey, shouldn't America be an emerging state? Also if all of the indian tribes are broken apart, then how the heck are they gonna win? Plus they were traditionally allied with a lot of the different factions, whose survival and well being directly impacted them.


Maybe later on make them become vassal states? To either the strongest power or to whoever they like the best at the time...

And that russian shit rocks man!!!! ph43R T3H L33TN3SS 0F T3H Tz4Rs!!!

[Warluster]

yes, America is a emgering state, a Civlised Horde as I said in the FAQ.

Yes the First Nation Tribes are broken up in this game, as they were hsitorically, all of the FIrst Nation tribes were not untied at the same time.

the First Nation tribes were also allied with France,ENgland Spain etc/etc. And soem of the units in the game will be First Nation units.

There victory conditions will probably alogn the liens of reclaimign land which the Settlers of the Old World took, or gainign revenge on toher nations. And yes you could make them a vassal,

or maybe the American indians could make the settlers vassals?

And I am gald you like the mod!

[Aldaceleb]

The First russian settlement in North-America was established in 1740s, so they will quite likely be an emerging faction. Russians never succeeded to establish a bigger more stable colony in Americas, but it is always possible to change history. The main reason why they are included is to bring more action to Tlingit and Haida campaigns(more info in preview coming quite soon).
Yes, it's true, many native factions never had a change to challenge the whites, but some stronger tribes, such as Apaches, Tlingits and the Iroquois Confederacy did have enough ppower to do so. Not sure about the Canada thing, as we are not going to include 19th century(maybe later), but it would be possible to extend the campaign to 1810s-1820s to get the 1812-1815 War and Tecumseh in.

[Tiberius maximus]

the lists look good to me. i see this being a hit:2thumbsup:

[Dyonisius]

Hm, did not know sweden colonised north america unless, you are refering to the presumed viking colonisation of the dark ages. Sweden may have sent mercenaries to the war of independance, but then also allot of german states did, and more abundant.

If you want to include south america then Portugal played a crucial role, otherwise you should rename your mod to something else like North america total war, not the New World.

[Aldaceleb]

Try wikipedia for some basic info about New Sweden:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Sweden

[Filibustería]

Hey, shouldn't America be an emerging state?

America? America is a giant continent, not a state.

[uanime5]

That would be Great Britain your thinking, Britain means just England, and we probaly wont include Scotland because it didnt have a lot to do with America back then.


Britain is a title used to describe the geagraphical area of the Isles. The United Kingdom of Great Britain is the political unit, which was far from reality in in the 1550's.

So perhaps you should make it, England?

FYI Britain (male form) or Britannia (female form) refers to the parts of the United Kingdom conquered by the Romans (modern day England and Wales). It later included Scotland either after James VI (King of Scots) became King James I of England in 1606 or after the Acts of Union 1707 were passed (combining the Scottish and English Parliaments).

Ireland is not part of Britian. Though the whole of Ireland used to be part of the United Kingdom, due to the pressure from terrorist groups (such as the IRA) the Catholic Republic of Ireland is now independent, while Protestant Northern Ireland is still part of the United Kingdom (the religions were mentioned because they played an important role in decided which parts of Ireland stayed in the United Kingdom).

Confusingly the term British Isles refers to the Britain and the islands surrounding it (including all of Ireland).

[Vazul's Ghost]

What i am about to say may seem extremely ignorant and stupid but what about belgium? seriously what about belgium? i mean, this isn't my exact sphere of expertese or anything, but i know they owned allot of colonies in africa... Feel free to shoot me down over this.

[Warluster]

Only probelm is we do exactly have heaps of Africa yet, this mod is mostly about AMerica, not Europe or Africa.

[MehmetTheConqueror]

You should be sure to include Portugal. The Treaty of Tordesillas (1494) split the New World between the Spanish and the Portuguese. Because of this Treaty the Portuguese took control of Brazil and held it for a long time. Any New World map would require the Portuguese as the had the single largest landholding in South America

[methoz]

anybody making new units ?? tools just exist...

[Wladyslaw IV]

Here is the faction list for NW:TW:

Spain
England
France
New Netherlands
New Sweden
United States
Russia
-
Apaches
Pueblos
Utes
Shoshones
Tlingits
Haida
Blackfeet
Dakotas
Comanche
Osage
Pawnees
Montagnais
Iroquois Confederacy
Huron Confederacy
Ojibway
Ohio Tribes
Susquehannock
Creek
-
Cherokee?
Choctaw?
Pirates?


Sorry! had to quote your list to see it, I'm too lazy to scroll down.. ;)

Apache - yes. Peublos and Utes where peaceful tribes occupying Arizona/New Mexico and Nevada/Utah, respectively. No need.

Shoshones - did not have much impact at all on anyone. Best known for helping the L and C expedition under Sacajewia. (sp)

Tlingits, Haida - what???

Blackfeet Dakotas - Blackfeet: Southern modern day Canada, plains region. Dakota, North and South Dakota, Nebraska. Dakota - yes. Blackfeet - no. Can I suggest the sub tundra Cree?? (no K, it is Cree) Much better choice.

Comanche - Texas, ok...

Pawnee - very close to Dakota, but bitter rivals. No point in both. Mod would be better with Indian factions vs. the new colonials.

Montagnais - See Tlingits, Haida. (???)

Iroquois - yes! very important. By 1520, consisted of the Mohawk, Oneida, Cayuga, Seneca, Onadaga. Tuscarora (from North Carolina, orginally) NOT ADDED UNTIL 1722. Don't forget that.

Huron - yes! very important. Stern allies of the French. Iroquois, England.

The definite latter 4 - need: Shawnee. Kentucky, Tennessee. Ojibway is realy spelt Ojibwa, moderately important. Ohio tribes - can be... Fox, Saux, Illionois and of the many variety. Pick one (1). All Alogonquin (sp) speaking, got along quite nice ;) Susquehannock - (who??) Creek - yes. located west of the Cherokee, east of the Mississippi River.

Cherokee, Choctaw - More southern US tribes. choctaw located: North of both Cherokee, Creek. Formed northern part as if in a triangle. I would include all three.

Suggestions: Micmac - very important New England, New Bruswick Canada nation.

Pirates - don't know how you'll do it, but - piracy was at its height worldwide in the middle of this period. Very important to have marauding ships.

The Portugal discussion - Portugal was a huge player back then. In North america, maybe just brazil but has a MAJOR influence in Africa up until it let go its last colony in 1970 (yes, 19)

The British discussion - entire Island group called THE BRITISH ISLES. England, Scotland, Wales form.... the island of BRITAIN. Ireland is simply called the island of Ireland, of course. THE UK (stood) for.. the UNITED KINGDOM of (Great) BRITAIN and Ireland. Today called.. the UNITED KINGDOM of Great BRITAIN and NORTHERN Ireland. In 1803 became the UK. In 1707 became GB. GB stands for the Kingdom of GREAT BRITAIN and Ireland (not united). Before 1707-- Wales annexed downright by England in 1500's. Scotland loosly and times not so loosly connected with England, but still an independant entity. In 1707 union between England and Scotland, Wales still an annexed territory of England. Ireland considered a conquered realm within English Empire. England unites with Scotland to form Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (again). in 1803 again, Wales officially PART of UK, and Britain (at this time, England and Scotland) formally unite with Ireland to form the UNITED KINGDOM (UK)

In 1550, JUST ENGLAND without a doubt. By 1800 (end of mod) STILL GB. (Great Britain and Ireland, Kingdom of).

Sorry about my sporatic English, but it took about 20 minutes to type all of this, I was getting writers blog (if that means shakey fingers, then yes)

[Jasper The Builder]

Ireland is only called "The Island of Ireland" by Republicans, I very much doubt that the majority of People in Northern Ireland would Agree with you there. The British Isles are England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland, It also includes places such as the Isle of Man and so on.

And Wales is a Principality under the Statute of Rhuddlan 1248, Thats why the Prince's of the United Kingdom take the title "Prince of Wales" Such as Charles, William and Harry. In 1536 Wales was given full legal rights like that of England, Under King Henry VIII.

I think in this Mod there should be a some kind of unification between England and Scotland and the begining chapter of Great Britain, Starting in 1603 because England never held lands in the America's.

It only came after the Union of the Crowns and it is always misinformed as being "England" even though King James I of England was a Scottish King First and Foremost!! The Virginia Company was put together in 1606 and went on to create Jamestown in 1607, The first settlement in the America's under Great Britain's Control and not only England's.

[christof139]

The large tribe/nation of the Catawba were in NC and surrounding area. About 70,000 I think, not sure at their height. Seems the Catawba may have spoken a Siouan language, not sure.

The mighty Chippewa, allies of the French more or less, in northern Michigan and surrounding areas of Canada. They could field about 5,000 or so warriors, and pushed the Lakota-Dakota-Nakota (Sioux) out of Northern Michigan inot Wisconsin, Minnesota (sp?), and the Great Plains. 'Sioux' comes from the end of a long and derisive Chippewa word for the Lakota meaning 'evil snakes' or something like that. There were at least 5 main tribes of Sioux, and at least 2 lesser tribes, making a very large group of people. A more general and erroneous term applied to all the Sioux seems to be Lakota rather than Dakota, although as previously mentioned, they were the Dakota-Lakota-Nakota people. Same problems with European tribes and nations. Take the helvetti and Belgae, were they Gauls or Germans or a mixture of both peoples??

Then there were the Northern and Southern Cheyene, friends of and I believe related to the Sioux, and very powerful.

The Northern and Southern Arapaho seem to be related to the Sioux and Cheyenne and were usually allies and friends with them, although the Arapaho and Cheyenne did have a war or two.

Then Kiowa in the southest Wyoming and Nebraska etc. area were also powerful and feared, a bit wild I guess. Don't know if the Oklahoma were a subgroup of the Kiowa, but I believe the Kiowa were basically northern Apache or related to the Apache and some were known as Kiowa-Apache.

Ojibwa would include the Pottowatomi (sp?). One is a subgroup of the other but I forget which is which, and the languages are very, very, similar. many of these people live in the Detroit, Michigan and Windsor, Ontario, Canada area, there is a large reservation, Walpole (sp?, must look at a map) Island at the northern end of Lake St. Clair.

The Chickasaw were kin of the Choctaw I do believe, and both were powerful. Both may be related to the Creek, but off-hand I don't know for sure.

The Natchez and their 'Sun King' were a large group in the area of Natchez, Mississippi etc. of course.

The Blackfeet (Siksika) were VERY feared, and fought a lot of other people. They are also in Montana and Wyoming, not just southern Canada. An old friend of mine, Jacobi, was a Blackfoot. The Bllod and Pigean, neighbors of the Blackfeet may be related. The Blackfeet were generally on better terms with the British, as it was an incident with a band of Blackfeet trying to swipe horses from the Lewis and Clark Expedition in which a Blackfoot warrior was killed, that soured relations with the USA. Presently there is a large Blackfoot reservation in Montana I do believe.

The Crow were also a good sized gourp in the middle Great Plains near the Sioux and Cheyene with whom they did war with if I am not mistaken. Don't know off-hand if the Crow are related to the Blackfeet. The Crow were in sountern and central Montana etc.

Then the Assinoboine, Plains Ojibwa, Gros Ventre, and variuos Cree north of the Crow in northern Montana and Canada, and the Nez-Perce, Cayuse, and Palouse of Idaho, Washington, and Oregon. The Mandan and Hidatsa were were in North Dakota originally.

Then there were the Shawnee, Pawnee, Ponca, Omaha, Ioway, Missouria, Illinois, Otoe, Kaw, Osage, Caddo, Quapaw, Wichita, Kichai, Tonkawa, Tawakoni, etc. stretching from South Dakota down through eastern Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi and eastward through Arkansas, Missouri and Illionis.
The Arikara may have been of the Missouria, and they were in northern South Dakota and warred with the Sioux and seem to have been friends and/or related to the Mandan and Hidatsa.

Shoshone were originally in Wyoming and Colorado.

The Ute and Navajo were not all that peaceful either and were quite strong.

A good book is 'Atlas of the North American Indian, Revised Edition', by Carl Waldman, 1985, 2000, ISBN 0-8160-3974-7 for Hardcover.

A large and varied group of people to deal with, and sometimes using language grouping may help to organize things, but this too would be ahistorical at times as peoples withing one language grouping did fight each other as we all know.

Time for a nice, cool chocolate malt now methinks. Maybe a buffalo hamburger, good meat it is, leaner than venison.

Chris

[christof139]

'The *Bllod* and Pigean, neighbors of the Blackfeet may be related.'

Please note *Bllod* should be *Blood*.

Chris

[BattleN00b]

If this mod will include South America, then it is strictly necessary to have Portugal in it. Period.

Also, Portugal's last colony didn't become independent in 1970, but in 1999: it was Macao. The last african colonies became independent in 1975.

[Zasz1234]

Earlier you suggested Canadians as being an emerging faction. I say nay to this as they didn't gain independence until after your mod ends. Also I think perhaps cutting down on the sheer number of factions might help a bit both for the modder's sanity and for the sake of actually being to finish it.

Also, I hope that in the initial stages it will be quite difficult to play as the imperial powers. Population growth was very small (still colonizing) and poor management and unfamiliarity with the new land meant that significant growth (to the point that they could take on the native populations) didn't happen until at least a hundred years after the start of your mod. So in the beginning the Native factions should be fighting each other and not view the Europeans as a threat since they are so weak and if the Europeans hold on long enough they can eventually be able to take the Natives head on.

[Spankfurt]

Canada should not be a whole faction, but maybe you could split it into 2 separate factions, the québecois, and The Canadian part of New England, such as the Canadian Maritime's. Also, if this mod is still alive....Not so many f'ing native faction's. I don't know too many of them, or their names, but I know that the Iroquois confederation, blackfeet, souix, and the lot should be included, and perhap's the unit's as their own, massive faction :p

[irish king]

you should have Toussaint Louverture as an emergent rebel faction on hispaniola, possibly Haitian Rebels?

[Marcus Furius Camillus]

come on ! New Netherlands ? You mean just that Part of America ( Manhattan ), discovered by VWC ( in English possibly UWC ??) or those parts in Europe to ( Holland, Zeeland, ... ). In that case, the faction name should be the United Provinces, isn't it ?



MARCVS *FECIT

[disamen]

Prussia, Sweden...

2 big contries that you cant forget... !

[Noddy The Beefy Egg]

Here is the faction list for NW:TW:

Spain
England
France
New Netherlands
New Sweden
United States
Russia
-
Apaches
Pueblos
Utes
Shoshones
Tlingits
Haida
Blackfeet
Dakotas
Comanche
Osage
Pawnees
Montagnais
Iroquois Confederacy
Huron Confederacy
Ojibway
Ohio Tribes
Susquehannock
Creek
-
Cherokee?
Choctaw?
Pirates?

add the Chickasaw and the Seminole or you can make them as the five civilized tribes as one faction. and add the Delaware and the Wampanoag