Ideas

[Ossie The Great]

Here is a thread were you can post your ideas

[Jubal_Barca]

Alsan to be in battles;
Make a handler with one handled aslan and 6 invisible handlers.

Underway Gnomes as mercs?

[caravel]

:shame:

[Pharnakes]

Hi I have been looking at the units thread and just a few ideas and possible problems form this.

1. Centaurs I know have been built successfully by moving the rider forwards on a horse to replace its head, but unfortunately they split apart when they die and nobody has been able to think of a way to try and correct this. This might not sound so bad and it isn't for HTH but when a group of centaurs are hit by a volley of arrows and a few seconds later apparently explode...

2. The game only allows for one skeleton for dogs and one for boars (I think thats possible anyway) so Aslan, wolves and leopards are impossible I think. On the other hand I don't know wether or not it is possible to have more than one skin for dogs so perhaps it would be possible to have wolves for Jadis and dogs for Narnia (I think the books mention dogs in Aslan's army)

3. Hoggy I know has produced minotaurs for his blue lotus mod with complete success so far as I know.

4. Dwarves and giants are probably possible as I know it is possible to scale units but I seem to remember something about scaling difficulties.


I can only hope that I am not casting to much of a damper on the mod and say that I am entirely in support of the mod.:2thumbsup: :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup:

[caravel]

The centaurs sound unsuitable from what you've said, in that they're not new models, but the rider moved forwards. The reason that they split apart when killed is because they are not really an individual but still a horse and rider, this is not really good enough. What is needed here is a modeller.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Hi Wolfe,
I'm no modder yet, I would have thought that all you need to do is make a new model, a new unit and a new animation and you can have whatever you like with the game's units? The same could perhaps also be true for the dying centaur if you was to try and change it's death animation, if that is possible? I'm not especially sure, sadly I have little or no idea about modding and many other thing due to my stupidity, yet I would have thought that one can. However I would suggest that oscarreeve and other members of the great Narnia: Total War team check with the modding experts first before they can be too sure on this - my knowlage only extend onto how to lose battles.

[caravel]

The centaur would perhaps be easiest (?) as you would have the horses and human models to work with providing you can import/export the meshes to a CAD program such as 3dsmax. I know next to nothing about modding RTW or modelling so I'm not sure of it's limitations, though if someone got a Minotaur into the game, a centaur should also be possible.

[Ossie The Great]

At the moment someone is at work on skinning the centaur model but i will investegate on it

[Roman_Man#3]

Well, I was thinking you would have cheetahs and lions etc. to be their own units. They are talking animals, presumably smart, and there fore, wouldn't need handlers. You could then make them their own model and skin, with out running over this supposed animal limit. Aslan and the other divine people should not fight, nor should they appear on the map.

[Ossie The Great]

Well, I was thinking you would have cheetahs and lions etc. to be their own units. They are talking animals, presumably smart, and there fore, wouldn't need handlers. You could then make them their own model and skin, with out running over this supposed animal limit. Aslan and the other divine people should not fight, nor should they appear on the map.

Thanks Meghas

I was thinking the same thing.

He Meghas can u do any moddeling.

[Roman_Man#3]

Sorry, I dont have 3ds max.

[Ossie The Great]

Sorry, I dont have 3ds max.

oh.
Is there a way on whitch you can skin with out 3ds max

[Jubal_Barca]

Couldn't you scale up a dog skele for Aslan?

And Alsan definitely fought in the books, so why not in game?

[Ossie The Great]

Couldn't you scale up a dog skele for Aslan?

And Alsan definitely fought in the books, so why not in game?

the only reason aslan can not fight in the game is if he dies narnia practiclly goes with him

[alexander_323]

Guys I Think

1 ) Why Can Aslan Not Dye Imean Jadis Wants Narnia And She Can Only Take It By Killing Aslan But I Think Give Him High Hitpoints And Give Him Speed So He Always Routs Before Gettin Killed , Makin Killin Him Difficult But Possible

2) Use Him As Advisor For Narnians I Mean He Always Does This Task
And Fights Only In The End

[alexander_323]

Hey One Thing More In The Movie Peter Was Dressed As A Knight So Will We Be Having Foot Knights
I Think It Will Add To The Charm

[caravel]

Couldn't you scale up a dog skele for Aslan?

And Alsan definitely fought in the books, so why not in game?
Aslan fought, IIRC, in one battle and only to kill Jadis, because he was the only one that could kill her. Apart from that, like a true deity, Aslan only intervened with advice and guidance, but did not fight in wars nor lead them after this (I can't remember any anyway, if he did there were very few).

Having Aslan as an oversized war dog that is kept on a leash, and is released on the enemy by a handler, would be just wrong in so many ways. There is no way you could guarantee his survival unless you were to make him almost invincible in which case the game would be fairly predictable, easy and rather childish. whether he lived or died would make any difference as to your faction dying out or continuing anyway.

Guys I Think

1 ) Why Can Aslan Not Dye Imean Jadis Wants Narnia And She Can Only Take It By Killing Aslan But I Think Give Him High Hitpoints And Give Him Speed So He Always Routs Before Gettin Killed , Makin Killin Him Difficult But Possible

2) Use Him As Advisor For Narnians I Mean He Always Does This Task
And Fights Only In The End
Aslan cannot be killed, because he is a god. The campaign needs to be based around this principle, that whoever achieves total dominance is unimportant as at the end of days Aslan will still send the bad and good along their different paths and end the world as he did in the last battle. This is why Aslan needs to be the god and to never appear in the game in physical form, IMHO.

[Pharnakes]

Just to say I fully agree with all of your ideas above Cambyses II. Whoever heard of Aslan being told to go and fight?!!!

[Murfios]

My idea: You could make Aslan Slow, powerful and almost invulnerable. This way his handlers (in this case bodyguards) follow him into battle. When Aslan attacks a group of enemys he will make them afraid. When he kills most of them, they will flee, making aslan go after them and exiting the battle. Therefore leaving his bodyguards to fight for him. If someone kills him he simply revives. It is a game after all.

[Roman_Man#3]

No, I say Aslan should not fight period. The only reason he did fight is because Jadis was evil, Narnia was slowly decomposing into nothingness, and only he could kill Jadis.

[caravel]

My idea: You could make Aslan Slow, powerful and almost invulnerable.
In the books Aslan is extremely fast and agile. It is doubtful whether Aslan needs to travel in a physical form at all, as at times he appears to be in several places at once and is in the form of a cat at one point in time.

This way his handlers (in this case bodyguards) follow him into battle.
One as powerful as Aslan wouldn't need bodyguards.

When Aslan attacks a group of enemys he will make them afraid.
Naturally, though this would mean the player using Aslan and not a lot else in all battles

When he kills most of them, they will flee, making aslan go after them and exiting the battle. Therefore leaving his bodyguards to fight for him. If someone kills him he simply revives. It is a game after all.
I'm pretty sure that non routing units cannot follow routers and leave the battlefield, that is not how the game works. Aslan would stop at the battlefield perimeter and go no further, and would then turn attack a new target.

I'm sorry to say it, but that simply won't work in game terms, in terms of accuracy to the Narnia books and in terms of actual gameplay.

In Vanilla RTW the "barbarian" pagan shrines and clearings would be perfect as "holy sites" associated with Aslan. It would be very good to use these for this purpose. The eastern temples could be used by the Calormenes as temples of Tash. For the Telmarines and Harfang there is no mention of their religion in the books as far as I can remember. Jadis would probably worship none but herself, and her followers, who knows?

[Pharnakes]

Re city growth and population:idea2:

I don't know whether or not any one has though about this at all but here are my thoughts:

Growth rate should be almost entirely dependent on trade (I know this is possible as Forth Eorlingas has instituted a similar system) rather than farms and health. To do this I would suggest the keeping of the old market building string but totaly removing farms and replacing them with another economic set. As farms are specific for cultures I think that this should be done so that each faction has an iconic industry that represents the goods that they are famous for producing. (for some this could very well be farming but it would not in itself produce a growth bonus (or only perhaps +1% by the highest tier (I love brackets:laugh4: ))). Imho this would far more realistically portray the growth of a city, prosperous cities after all are the ones which flourish whilst poor cities languish and everybody who can still afford to emigrates.

Another weakness of the Rome engine is the ridiculously high growth rates of a city that has just been enslaved/exterminated. Imho this whole idea could be tied in with the above by introducing a goverment system (That would also help with the Aor systems). Goverments would give massive increase in tradeable goods bonuses to counteract a hidden negative resource. When you take a city you then have to spend time and money on building a goverment before the trade will start up again. This system would also eliminate AI problems that goverment mods such as EB have had, namely that the goverments appear to the AI to be huge building times for very little benefit. The effect of this has been that they have had to script a building for the AI whenever it takes a city. Using the system i have suggested this problem would be eliminated due to the AI seeing the goverment as a brilliant economic building and eliminating the problem that the AI can very quickly incorporate a city into its empire whilst the player can't.


:juggle2: P.S. Part 1 (Part 2 and maybe 3:sweatdrop: to follow):juggle2:

[Ossie The Great]

Re city growth and population:idea2:

I don't know whether or not any one has though about this at all but here are my thoughts:

Growth rate should be almost entirely dependent on trade (I know this is possible as Forth Eorlingas has instituted a similar system) rather than farms and health. To do this I would suggest the keeping of the old market building string but totaly removing farms and replacing them with another economic set. As farms are specific for cultures I think that this should be done so that each faction has an iconic industry that represents the goods that they are famous for producing. (for some this could very well be farming but it would not in itself produce a growth bonus (or only perhaps +1% by the highest tier (I love brackets:laugh4: ))). Imho this would far more realistically portray the growth of a city, prosperous cities after all are the ones which flourish whilst poor cities languish and everybody who can still afford to emigrates.

Another weakness of the Rome engine is the ridiculously high growth rates of a city that has just been enslaved/exterminated. Imho this whole idea could be tied in with the above by introducing a goverment system (That would also help with the Aor systems). Goverments would give massive increase in tradeable goods bonuses to counteract a hidden negative resource. When you take a city you then have to spend time and money on building a goverment before the trade will start up again. This system would also eliminate AI problems that goverment mods such as EB have had, namely that the goverments appear to the AI to be huge building times for very little benefit. The effect of this has been that they have had to script a building for the AI whenever it takes a city. Using the system i have suggested this problem would be eliminated due to the AI seeing the goverment as a brilliant economic building and eliminating the problem that the AI can very quickly incorporate a city into its empire whilst the player can't.


:juggle2: P.S. Part 1 (Part 2 and maybe 3:sweatdrop: to follow):juggle2:

:2thumbsup:

[Pharnakes]

Ok here comes part 2:

Another positive bonus of this system would be that it is necessary to keep trade routes open at all costs, in vanilla a city could be under siege and still making 1000+ per turn through taxes, farming and mining. This would make it much easier to conduct a gerilla campaign and also make naval dominance a very desirable goal (This is historically provable, there are many instances of Britain especially bringing enemies to their knees through economic blockade of ports).

I think the health bonus buildings should also be converted into a farther string of economic buildings but also provided happiness/law bonuses to counteract squalor (I think that unfortunately it is not possible for trade to be a positive influence on happiness - although it would be perfect if there was a way to do this). These perhaps could be another faction specific thread or a more generic industry. I think taxes are somewhat over powered so if less public order bonus buildings were included this would force the lowering of tax rates to a lesser level.


P.S. I will try and contact the FOrth Eorlingas team to see if they would share how they have trade dependent growth rates (If nobody else knows):inquisitive:

[Murfios]

I'm pretty sure that non routing units cannot follow routers and leave the battlefield, that is not how the game works. Aslan would stop at the battlefield perimeter and go no further, and would then turn attack a new target.
Unleached Dogs persue units in vanilla out of the map.


One as powerful as Aslan wouldn't need bodyguards.
Of course not, but it is easier than having invisible handlers.

Aslan could be use it a Historical Battles then. Like that last one in the Movie. :juggle2:

[Pharnakes]

A few more ideas.

Calormen should have the slave trade for their unique economic building set.

The Narnia and southern Calormen should have mining for metals. Narnia should also have precious stones.

Narnia and Archenland should produce large quantities of timber.

The lone islannds should export fish.

Southern calormen should export wild animals (lions)


Each faction should have three or four choices of goverment, whose bonuses are unique, but tendind to the genral patern of:

Homeland goverment (the best but slow to build and limited in area)
Conquest goverment (The next best and avalible in all places except for areas which the faction would find hard to subjigate)
Exploitation goverment (Possibly military exploitation and economic exploitation - cheep and fast to build but low public order)

If the economic exploitation goverment type for the calormene was made to be slaver goverment then one thread of slave buildings would be possible. These would give very high increase in tradeable goods, but high negative bonuses for just about everything else - population growth, health (the slave trade is not a healthy trade, or not for the slaves) and public order.

[Ossie The Great]

A few more ideas.

Calormen should have the slave trade for their unique economic building set.

The Narnia and southern Calormen should have mining for metals. Narnia should also have precious stones.

Narnia and Archenland should produce large quantities of timber.

The lone islannds should export fish.

Southern calormen should export wild animals (lions)


Each faction should have three or four choices of goverment, whose bonuses are unique, but tendind to the genral patern of:

Homeland goverment (the best but slow to build and limited in area)
Conquest goverment (The next best and avalible in all places except for areas which the faction would find hard to subjigate)
Exploitation goverment (Possibly military exploitation and economic exploitation - cheep and fast to build but low public order)

If the economic exploitation goverment type for the calormene was made to be slaver goverment then one thread of slave buildings would be possible. These would give very high increase in tradeable goods, but high negative bonuses for just about everything else - population growth, health (the slave trade is not a healthy trade, or not for the slaves) and public order.

Thankyou for all your Great ideas , keep them coming

[Murfios]

Aslan should be in Historical Battles. Should Arrive late in the ballte where they have almost lost.

[Ossie The Great]

Aslan should be in Historical Battles. Should Arrive late in the ballte where they have almost lost.

I think having Aslan in historical battles is an exellent idea :cool4:

[Jubal_Barca]

Calormenes also worshipped Zardeenah, lady of the night. She was goddess of virgins and darkness.

[Ossie The Great]

Calormenes also worshipped Zardeenah, lady of the night. She was goddess of virgins and darkness.

:2thumbsup:

[caravel]

Calormenes also worshipped Zardeenah, lady of the night. She was goddess of virgins and darkness.
I did mention this in the earlier thread in the forge before this forum was opened:

I'm not sure how you would impliment Aslan the Lion in a TW game. If he is placed as the initial faction leader of the Narnian faction, he will eventually die, which would be wrong. It is not really feasible to create a uinique unit of Aslan for a game such as this. At the end of the day the Narnian Kings (humans) will be your faction leaders, so where does Aslan fit in? Personally I think Aslan is basically the Narnians' god, in the way that Tash is the Calmormenes' god. I would say that Aslan could be implemented as the diety for the Narnians, with Shrines of Aslan (pagan looking structures to fit in with the "silvan" theme of the Narnian faction - such as the stone table), and large statues of him inside your settlements, but he should never appear in person. For Tash, Azaroth and Zardeenah (Calormene dieties), larger ornate temples of the eastern type would be more suitable. The Tisroc could also have retinues of a Priest of Tash etc etc, the Narnians would probably not have such retinues. Unit's of lions would be viable units as there was another Lion in the LWW.

:bow:
Do you have any other ideas as to the implementation of the Calormene deities? I'm thinking temples alone, and perhaps a great temple as a wonder or two.

Aslan in historical battles would be less problematic, but IMHO would not make for particularly interesting engagements.

[Ossie The Great]

Erm . I am not to good with my english so I would need to know what implementation ment before i can answer.

and post about a Colormen temple as a wonder in the wonders thered for i think it is an exellent idea

[Jubal_Barca]

Implementation just means ways to use them in game.

[Ossie The Great]

Ok . I am planning on only having the colormen deities as temples

[Jubal_Barca]

Calormene priests as a possible unit?

[Ossie The Great]

Calormene priests as a possible unit?

Thanks. yes Like Julbal_Barca said Calormene Priests ( of tash ) ar a possible unit

[alexander_323]

hi guys
i was just wondering what about knights , i mean they did had peter and his brother edmund knighted in the movie
peter was a mounted knight
edmund was a foot knight

so wont we be having them?

[Roman_Man#3]

Those could be the generals, they were the only ones armed in such a way. and we are also basing the mod off of the books, not the movie.

[Ossie The Great]

Like Roman_Man#3 said we are doing the mod on the books and not on the film .
So i am not sure knights are very acurate

[caravel]

Calormene priests as a possible unit?
I would avoid that. The Calormene priests would not have been warriors. They would be more at home sitting around eating and drinking wine. There is no way they'd risk their necks on the battlefield. There is never any mention of them in the books, so I would exclude them. As I've said before, the druids chanting / women screeching ability would be good for the Imperial Narnian Hags.

[Roman_Man#3]

For the Hags, maybe we could get someone to record screaming wildly, and then put it in for the ability.

[Ossie The Great]

I would avoid that. The Calormene priests would not have been warriors. They would be more at home sitting around eating and drinking wine. There is no way they'd risk their necks on the battlefield. There is never any mention of them in the books, so I would exclude them. As I've said before, the druids chanting / women screeching ability would be good for the Imperial Narnian Hags.

thinking about it, i agree that Calormene priests would not fight. :cowboy:

Hags are defiantly going to be in the game.

[caravel]

For the Hags, maybe we could get someone to record screaming wildly, and then put it in for the ability.
That can be arranged....... :evilgrin:

[Roman_Man#3]

That can be arranged....... :evilgrin:


Are you implying that you could do it?

[Ossie The Great]

Are you implying that you could do it?

Hi
that would be great if you could

[Murfios]

Make the giants not so giant. Lets say like this: The medium size one is my suggestion....http://www.armaverse.com/images/P3_4_5%20header.jpg
(smallest one is an average human)
Being too big will make the game look weird and imposible to kill them.

[Ossie The Great]

Yes. i totaly agree with making the giants not to big :cowboy:

for as u said it would look rubish if they were too big

[alexander_323]

guys what about formations , what kind of unit formations will we be having?

coz ours is a completely different theme
i suggest the following

1> loose formations for the animals
2> wedge for the centaurs ( as in the movie)
3> phalanx for the elite guards

rest m not able to think but the point is we have not even thought of formations , we must have a few new ones matching our units

[Ossie The Great]

Yes, I agree, but we need to do a couple more models before we can start to think of units formations

[King_Numero]

No phalanx formation. It wouldn't make sense for them to be in a phalanx formation.

Can't we invent our own formations?

[Ossie The Great]

No phalanx formation. It wouldn't make sense for them to be in a phalanx formation.

Can't we invent our own formations?

I have never tried making my own formation but i think it is possible ( i would have to have that confiremed ) If we did though that would help loads

[King_Numero]

Make the giants not so giant. Lets say like this: The medium size one is my suggestion....http://www.armaverse.com/images/P3_4_5%20header.jpg
(smallest one is an average human)
Being too big will make the game look weird and imposible to kill them.

You know this looks like a good size differential between giants (tallest), humanoids (medium) and dwarves (smallest). If you look at Pauline Baynes' illustrations from the books this is about the size difference between the races.

[King_Numero]

I have never tried making my own formation but i think it is possible ( i would have to have that confiremed ) If we did though that would help loads

You might want to find a guy named Darth Vader. He's done custom formations on several mods including his own.

[Ossie The Great]

Hi
King Numero Could u try and find a thread that Darth Vader has posted in then post a link here

[King_Numero]

Here's the link to his mod.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=67192

[Ossie The Great]

Thanks

[Pharnakes]

Hmm, what exactly do people mean by "formations" at this point. Special abilities (phalanx, testudo, wedge ect.) cannot be modded, but what darth vader has done is mod how the AI deploys its units at the start of a battle (thus effecting the entire course of the battle). This is fairly easy to do if you know how (which I don't). The third possible meaning of formation, is the spacing between units in a formation, and this is a simple mater of changing a few values in the edu. Hope this clears things up a bit.

[Ossie The Great]

Hmm, what exactly do people mean by "formations" at this point. Special abilities (phalanx, testudo, wedge ect.) cannot be modded, but what darth vader has done is mod how the AI deploys its units at the start of a battle (thus effecting the entire course of the battle). This is fairly easy to do if you know how (which I don't). The third possible meaning of formation, is the spacing between units in a formation, and this is a simple mater of changing a few values in the edu. Hope this clears things up a bit.

Yes, as darth vader has not got back to me i will have to learn how to create formations , anyway it is an area in which i have never modded before so if anyone finds any tuorials on it that will be great .
but what darth vader has done is mod how the AI deploys its units at the start of a battle (thus effecting the entire course of the battle). This is fairly easy to do if you know how (which I don't)

and it is this formation i want to learn how to do

[Pharnakes]

You could try asking Thorlof.