econ21
03-12-2007, 23:09
CHANCELLOR BALLOT:
Emperor Heinrich: GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ituralde (+4), Northnovas, OverKnight (12 votes)
Steward Maximillan Mandorf: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FactionHeir, FLYdude (+1), Ignoramus (+4), Jalf, Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, nazgul3, Stuperman, TinCow (+3), Warluster (+1), AussieGiant, Xdeathfire (30 votes)
MAXIMILLAN MANDORF is elected Chancellor!
Edict 5.1: Yes
Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FactionHeir, FLYdude (+1), GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ignoramus (+4), Ituralde (+4), Jalf, Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, nazgul3, Northnovas, OverKnight, Stuperman, Warluster (+1), Xdeathfire, AussieGiant
PASSED NEM CON
Edict 5.2:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FactionHeir, FLYdude (+1), GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ituralde (+4), Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, nazgul3, Northnovas, Stuperman, TinCow (+3), AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
No: Ignoramus (+4), OverKnight, Warluster (+1),
PASSED
Edict 5.3:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), FactionHeir, Ignoramus (+4), nazgul3, Northnovas, OverKnight, Warluster (+1),
No: FLYdude (+1), GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ituralde (+4), Jalf, Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, Stuperman, TinCow (+3) , AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
FAILED 13 to 25
Edict 5.4:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), FactionHeir, GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ituralde (+4), Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, nazgul3, Northnovas, OverKnight, Stuperman, AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
No: econ21 (+3), Ignoramus (+4), Warluster (+1),
PASSED
Edict 5.7:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), FactionHeir, GeneralHankerchief (+4),Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, Northnovas, OverKnight, Stuperman, TinCow (+3), Warluster (+1),
No:econ21 (+3), Ignoramus (+4), Ituralde (+4), nazgul3, AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
PASSED 23 to 16
Edict 5.8:
Yes:Dutch_guy (+1), FactionHeir, GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ituralde (+4), Jalf, lilirishman1986, nazgul3, OverKnight, Stuperman, Warluster (+1),
No:econ21 (+3), FLYdude (+1), Ignoramus (+4), Kagemusha (+4), Northnovas, TinCow (+3) , AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
FAILED 20 to 22
Edict 5.9:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FactionHeir, FLYdude (+1), GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ignoramus (+4), Ituralde (+4), Jalf, Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, nazgul3, Northnovas, OverKnight, Stuperman, Xdeathfire
No: AussieGiant
PASSED
Edict 5.10:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FactionHeir, FLYdude (+1), GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ignoramus (+4), Ituralde (+4), Jalf, Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, nazgul3, Northnovas, OverKnight, Stuperman, Xdeathfire
No: AussieGiant
PASSED
Edict 5.12:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FactionHeir, FLYdude (+1), GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ignoramus (+4), Ituralde (+4), Kagemusha (+4), nazgul3, Northnovas, OverKnight, Stuperman, TinCow (+3) , AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
No: lilirishman1986
PASSED
Edict 5.13:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FactionHeir, FLYdude (+1), GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ignoramus (+4), Ituralde (+4), Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, nazgul3, Northnovas, OverKnight, Stuperman, TinCow (+3) , AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
PASSED NEM CON
Edict 5.14:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FactionHeir, GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ituralde (+4), Jalf, Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, Northnovas, OverKnight, Stuperman, TinCow (+3), Warluster (+1),
No: Ignoramus (+4) , AussieGiant, nazgul3
PASSED
Edict 5.15:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FLYdude (+1), GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ituralde (+4), Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, Northnovas, Stuperman, TinCow (+3) , AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
No: FactionHeir, Ignoramus (+4), nazgul3, OverKnight
PASSED
Edict 5.16:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), FactionHeir, GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ignoramus (+4), lilirishman1986, nazgul3, OverKnight, Stuperman, Warluster (+1), Xdeathfire
No: econ21 (+3), FLYdude (+1), Ituralde (+4), Kagemusha (+4), Northnovas, AussieGiant, TinCow (+3) 6
FAILED 20 to 21
Edict 5.20:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ignoramus (+4), Ituralde (+4), Jalf, lilirishman1986, nazgul3, Northnovas, Stuperman, Warluster (+1) , AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
No: FactionHeir, FLYdude (+1), Kagemusha (+4), OverKnight
PASSED
Edict 5.23:
Yes: econ21 (+3), FactionHeir, FLYdude (+1), GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ignoramus (+4), Ituralde (+4), Jalf, Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, nazgul3, Northnovas, OverKnight, Stuperman, Warluster (+1) , AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
PASSED NEM CON
Edict 5.24:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FactionHeir, FLYdude (+1), Ituralde (+4), Jalf, Kagemusha (+4), nazgul3, Northnovas, Stuperman, TinCow (+3) , AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
No: GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ignoramus (+4), lilirishman1986, OverKnight, Warluster (+1),
PASSED 27 to 14
Edict 5.25:
Yes:Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ignoramus (+4),Ituralde (+4), Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, nazgul3, Northnovas, OverKnight, TinCow (+3), FactionHeir, AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
No: Stuperman, Warluster (+1),
PASSED
Edict 5.26:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ituralde (+4), Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, nazgul3, OverKnight, Stuperman, TinCow (+3), AussieGiant, FactionHeir, Xdeathfire
No: econ21 (+3), Ignoramus (+4), Northnovas, Warluster (+1),
PASSED
Edict 5.27:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), FactionHeir, GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ignoramus (+4), Ituralde (+4), lilirishman1986, nazgul3, Northnovas, OverKnight, Stuperman, AussieGiant, TinCow (+3)
No:econ21 (+3), Kagemusha (+4)
PASSED
Edict 5.29:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FactionHeir, GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ituralde (+4), Jalf, lilirishman1986, nazgul3, Northnovas, OverKnight, Stuperman, TinCow (+3) , AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
No: Ignoramus (+4), Kagemusha (+4), Warluster (+1),
PASSED
Edict 5.30:
Yes: FactionHeir, Ituralde (+4), Jalf, lilirishman1986, nazgul3, OverKnight, Stuperman, Warluster (+1), Xdeathfire
No: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FLYdude (+1), GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ignoramus (+4), Kagemusha (+4), Northnovas, AussieGiant, TinCow (+3)
FAILED 14 to 29
Charter Amendment 5.1:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FactionHeir, FLYdude (+1), Ignoramus (+4), Ituralde (+4), Jalf, Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, nazgul3, Northnovas, Stuperman, TinCow (+3), Warluster (+1) , AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
No: GeneralHankerchief (+4),OverKnight
PASSED 36 to 6 (2/3 majority)
Charter Amendment 5.2:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FLYdude (+1), Ignoramus (+4), Ituralde (+4), Jalf, Kagemusha (+4), nazgul3, Northnovas, OverKnight, Stuperman, TinCow (+3), Warluster (+1) , AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
No: FactionHeir, GeneralHankerchief (+4),lilirishman1986
PASSED 35 to 7 (2/3 majority)
Charter Amendment 5.3: Yes
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FactionHeir, FLYdude (+1), GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ignoramus (+4), Ituralde (+4), Jalf, Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, Northnovas, Stuperman, TinCow (+3), Warluster (+1) , AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
No: nazgul3, OverKnight
PASSED
Text of Edicts:
Summary of Edicts proposed in Fifth Session of Diet
(Current up to post #536)
5.1 We should seek allies in England and Russia. This will force our enemies to a two front war if they dare attack us or our ally, especially as we currently do not share borders with these nations. At the same time, the alliances should only be decided if they shall pay us tribute for it, for we are the more superior nation. (aim for barely accepted)
Proposed: Fifth Elector of Swabia
Seconded: Count Otto von Kassel, 6th Elector of Bavaria
5.2 We need to move out all superfluous troops out from the heartland and leave just enough there to keep public order. These troops should be used to reinforce our borders and fronts.
Proposed: Fifth Elector of Swabia
Seconded: Steward Maximillian Mandorf, Duke Leopold
5.3 The elimination of Milan
Proposed: Fifth Elector of Swabia
Seconded: Count Otto von Kassel, 2nd Elector of Austria
5.4 Driving Venice back to at least Ragusa, leaving them with this region and Iraklion at the most
Proposed: Fifth Elector of Swabia
Seconded: Sixth Elector of Franconia, Duke Otto
5.5 Attempt to make the Poles our vassals (without spending more than map info and 5000 florins)
Proposed: Fifth Elector of Swabia
5.6 Attempt to make Milan our vassals (without spending more than map info and 5000 florins)
Proposed: Fifth Elector of Swabia
5.7 The training of additional clergy to root out heresy and allow more of our cardinals into the college.
Proposed: Fifth Elector of Swabia
Seconded: Sixth Elector of Franconia, Count Otto von Kassel
5.8 Training of at least 2 good assassins to take care of high profile political targets
Proposed: Fifth Elector of Swabia
Seconded: Jonas von Mahren; Count Otto von Kassel
Edict 5.9 Reich will start offensive against Poland by taking Magdeburg and continuing the offensive untill either Poland sues for peace or Papal warning of excommunication is given.
Proposed: Duke Dietrich von Saxony
Seconded: Sixth Elector of Franconia, Count Otto von Kassel
Edict 5.10 Holy Roman Empire suggests an alliance to Hungary.
Proposed: Duke Dietrich von Saxony
Seconded: Sixth Elector of Franconia, Count Otto von Kassel
Edict 5.11:Sigismund der Brav is to be sent against the French armies invading Burgundy. After that he shall proceed to conquer France until a Papal warning is given. Sigismund alone shall be sent against the French, as the other generals are needed in Italy and Poland.
Proposed: Count Sigismund der Brav
Withdrawn
Edict 5.12: The Empire is to adopt a defensive posture in the west in an attempt to lead to the excommunication of France. When France is excommunicated, the posture is to switch to an offensive one - aiming at Rheims and then Paris.
Proposed: Prinz Henry
Seconded: Duke Dietrich von Saxony, Count Otto von Kassel
Edict 5.13: All Milanese forces remaining in Italy are to be destroyed.
Proposed: Count Otto von Kassel
Seconded: Duke Dietrich von Saxony, Prinz Henry
5.14 If England does not accept an Alliance on reasonable terms that favor us, we ally with Scotland instead, of course only if they are more reasonable than the English.
Proposed: 5th Elector of Swabia
Seconded: Count Otto von Kassel, Steward Maximillan Mandorf
Edict 5.15: The large Milanese army outside Florence will be destroyed. After this is accomplished, we will seek to establish a ceasefire with Milan, so long as one can be obtained without cost to the Reich.
Proposed: Steward Maximillian Mandorf
Seconded: Duke Leopold, Dietrich Von Saxony
Edict 5.16: The nobility of our foes are subject to assassination.
Proposed: 4th Elector of Bavaria
Seconded: Emperor Heinrich; 5th elector of Swabia
Edict 5.17: Any aggression via the Papacy towards the Reich will result in an offensive against Rome via our field armies and the Pope will be subject to the proposed Edict 5.16.
Proposed: 4th Elector of Bavaria
Seconded: Count Otto von Kassel
Edict 5.18 - Every city and castle of all levels in the Empire are to have built at least 1 type of Economic help in that city, in 5 years limit
Proposed: Jobst von Salza
Seconded: Jonas von Mahren
Edict 5.19: All agent training is to be suspended in order to cut back on royal spending
Proposed: 4th Elector of Swabia
Seconded: Duke Leopold
Edict 5.20: All cities with access to the sea must build the needed facilities to encourage and boost commerce.
Proposed: Jonas von Mahren
Seconded: 6th Elector of Austria; Count Sigismund
Edict 5.21: The Reich will contact those nations with whom we are not at war, and have no direct conflicts of interests with, and attempt to improve our diplomatic relationships, with florins if necessary.
Proposed: Jonas von Mahren
Seconded: 6th Elector of Austria
Edict 5.22 we send diplomates to gather good relations with other nations... short of the spending of Florines on them giving money to peoples when we need it is not a wise decision...
Proposed: 6th Elector of Bavaria
Edict 5.23: during the term of the next chanceler... the reich sizes Magdeburg and/or Bresalu... to provide a buffer zone and future launch sites for invasion agianst Poland
Proposed: 5th Elector of Austria
Seconded: Duke Leopold, 5th Elector of Swabia
Edict 5.24: The future Chancellor will avoid excommunication by Pope Gregory by following Papal cease and desist orders to the letter.
Proposed: Duke Leopold
Seconded: Maximillian Mandorf, Dietrich Von Saxony
Edict 5.25: Duke Leopold is to be put at the head of an army large enough to seize and hold Zagreb.
Proposed: Duke Leopold
Seconded: Maximillian Mandorf, 6th Elector of Austria
Edict 5.26: If Venice has not fallen until the events of Edict 5.25 have passed Duke Leopold is to be given enough men to assault and conquer the city of Venice.
Proposed: Duke Leopold
Seconded: Maximillian Mandorf, Dietrich Von Saxony
Edict 5.27: The spy Sifridus von Swabia is to be sent to the vicinity of Budapest. If he can infiltrate the city without a considerable risk for his life he should do so. Otherwise it will suffice he is active in the countryside surrounding Budapest.
Proposed: Duke Leopold
Seconded: 5th Elector of Swabia, Maximillian Mandorf
Edict 5.28: To prevent Hungarian aggression against the Austrian capital Vienna it's garrison has to kept at a minimum of six units, capable of defending the city.
Proposed: Duke Leopold
Seconded: 6th Elector of Austria
Edict 5.29: The chancellor shall endeavor to send emissaries (without needing to train new ones) to contact other nations we have no contacts with to obtain alliances, and trade rights. Our payment shall be no more than map information and he shall aim to make all contacts pay appropriately for spending our time and efforts on them.
Proposed: 5th Elector of Swabia
Seconded: 6th Elector of Austria, Dietrich Von Saxony
Edict 5.30: As a demonstration of the price of betrayal and to send a message to all of Europe that the Reich will not be defied, when the city of Venice is taken the populace will be exterminated.
Proposed: Count Otto
Seconded: Duke Leopold; 5th Elector of Swabia
Charter Amendment 5.1: Each Duchy shall have a Household Army with which to defend its territories. The Household Army will be governed by the following clauses:
1) The Household Army may not be removed from the House’s provinces without the permission of the Duke.
2) The Duke will determine where the Household Army is to be garrisoned. This location can be changed at any time, so long as the Duke informs the Chancellor of the move. The Chancellor will not remove the Household Army from the garrison without the Duke’s permission, except as required to fulfill Clause 4.
3) The Duke will determine who commands the Household Army.
4) At the beginning of each Diet session the Duke may assign general orders to the Household Army, which are to be carried out by the Chancellor. Between Diet sessions, any additional orders submitted by Dukes are to be implemented only at the Chancellor's discretion. The Duke may select one of the following Orders: (1) attack any rebel force in House territory, (2) attack any hostile force in House territory, including other factions, (3) attack any foreign or rebel army in House territory, including neutral (but not allied or crusading) factions, (4) temporary assignment to another House, (5) assignment to offensive duties. If Order (4) is chosen, the Duke may determine the time limit of the temporary assignment and the commanding general, but all other decisions are made by the Duke of the receiving house. When the time limit expires, the Household Army must be immediately returned to House lands, no matter what other circumstances occur, unless the Duke agrees otherwise. If Order (5) is chosen, the Duke may specify an enemy settlement or army as the objective and the commanding general. The settlement or army must be in a province that borders the House and the Reich must already be at war with the target. All other decisions are made by the Chancellor. The Duke may recall the Household Army from offensive duties at any time and for any reason.
5) The Household Army will consist of a minimum of 3 infantry regiments, 2 ranged regiments, and 1 cavalry regiment. The Household Army will ideally consist of 4 infantry regiments, 3 ranged regiments, and 2 cavalry regiments. For the purposes of this rule, Generals’ bodyguard units do not count as cavalry regiments. All regiments must be professional soldiers, not militia.
6) If a Household Army falls below the minimum strength level, Imperial military recruitment must be allocated to restoring the Household Army to minimum strength before forces can be sent elsewhere.
7) The Chancellor will attempt to maintain the Household Armies at full strength, with the highest quality regiments available.
8) In emergencies, the Chancellor may detach any units in excess of the minimum strength level for use elsewhere. The Chancellor may not reduce a Household Army below the minimum strength level without the permission of the Duke.
9) If the Imperial Treasury cannot support all Household Armies at minimum strength, the Chancellor must consult with the Dukes and receive their permission to reduce the Household Armies in such a way as to eliminate the deficit.
10) The Imperial Diet may temporarily remove any or all of these rules by a simple majority vote. The temporary period will last no longer than 10 turns.
Proposed: Steward Maximillan Mandorf
Seconded: Count Fredericus von Hamburg; Duke Dietrich von Saxony
Charter Ammendment 5.2 (revised): Each Elector may only propose ONE edict or charter ammendments per Diet. In addition, Dukes may propose THREE House edicts per Diet provided that they have previously securing the backing of two other members of their House.
Proposed: Prinz Henry
Seconded: Duke Dietrich von Saxony, Count Otto von Kassel
Charter Amendment 5.3: This Amendment revises several Game Rules to keep them updated and prevent future confusions. The following Rules are revised as listed.
All lines with strikethroughs will be permanently removed.
Rule 2.4 is revised to state: 2.4 The Chancellor is elected every 10 turns. Incumbent Chancellors can run for re-election if they wish.
Rule 3.7 is revised to state: 3.7 Every 10 turns, or on the death or impeachment of the Chancellor, there is an election for the post of Chancellor. Ties lead to a fresh ballot. A second tie is decided by seniority (avatar age). Voting is open for 2 days.
Rule 5.2 is revised to state: Once in his reign, the Emperor may automatically assume the post of Chancellor. The Emperor must declare he is exercising that right at a Diet; he will then be appointed Chancellor with no election. This right can only be invoked once, but the Emperor may also compete in normal Chancellorship elections at other Diets.
Rule 6.4 will have the following words deleted from it “get a permanent +1 influence and”
Rule 6.6 is revised to state: 6.6 The title of Field Marshall shall be given to the commanders of the Household Armies for the duration of their command.
Proposed: Steward Mandorf
Seconded: Prinz Henry; Duke Leopold
Emperor Heinrich: GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ituralde (+4), Northnovas, OverKnight (12 votes)
Steward Maximillan Mandorf: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FactionHeir, FLYdude (+1), Ignoramus (+4), Jalf, Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, nazgul3, Stuperman, TinCow (+3), Warluster (+1), AussieGiant, Xdeathfire (30 votes)
MAXIMILLAN MANDORF is elected Chancellor!
Edict 5.1: Yes
Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FactionHeir, FLYdude (+1), GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ignoramus (+4), Ituralde (+4), Jalf, Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, nazgul3, Northnovas, OverKnight, Stuperman, Warluster (+1), Xdeathfire, AussieGiant
PASSED NEM CON
Edict 5.2:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FactionHeir, FLYdude (+1), GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ituralde (+4), Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, nazgul3, Northnovas, Stuperman, TinCow (+3), AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
No: Ignoramus (+4), OverKnight, Warluster (+1),
PASSED
Edict 5.3:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), FactionHeir, Ignoramus (+4), nazgul3, Northnovas, OverKnight, Warluster (+1),
No: FLYdude (+1), GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ituralde (+4), Jalf, Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, Stuperman, TinCow (+3) , AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
FAILED 13 to 25
Edict 5.4:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), FactionHeir, GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ituralde (+4), Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, nazgul3, Northnovas, OverKnight, Stuperman, AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
No: econ21 (+3), Ignoramus (+4), Warluster (+1),
PASSED
Edict 5.7:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), FactionHeir, GeneralHankerchief (+4),Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, Northnovas, OverKnight, Stuperman, TinCow (+3), Warluster (+1),
No:econ21 (+3), Ignoramus (+4), Ituralde (+4), nazgul3, AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
PASSED 23 to 16
Edict 5.8:
Yes:Dutch_guy (+1), FactionHeir, GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ituralde (+4), Jalf, lilirishman1986, nazgul3, OverKnight, Stuperman, Warluster (+1),
No:econ21 (+3), FLYdude (+1), Ignoramus (+4), Kagemusha (+4), Northnovas, TinCow (+3) , AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
FAILED 20 to 22
Edict 5.9:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FactionHeir, FLYdude (+1), GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ignoramus (+4), Ituralde (+4), Jalf, Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, nazgul3, Northnovas, OverKnight, Stuperman, Xdeathfire
No: AussieGiant
PASSED
Edict 5.10:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FactionHeir, FLYdude (+1), GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ignoramus (+4), Ituralde (+4), Jalf, Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, nazgul3, Northnovas, OverKnight, Stuperman, Xdeathfire
No: AussieGiant
PASSED
Edict 5.12:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FactionHeir, FLYdude (+1), GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ignoramus (+4), Ituralde (+4), Kagemusha (+4), nazgul3, Northnovas, OverKnight, Stuperman, TinCow (+3) , AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
No: lilirishman1986
PASSED
Edict 5.13:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FactionHeir, FLYdude (+1), GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ignoramus (+4), Ituralde (+4), Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, nazgul3, Northnovas, OverKnight, Stuperman, TinCow (+3) , AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
PASSED NEM CON
Edict 5.14:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FactionHeir, GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ituralde (+4), Jalf, Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, Northnovas, OverKnight, Stuperman, TinCow (+3), Warluster (+1),
No: Ignoramus (+4) , AussieGiant, nazgul3
PASSED
Edict 5.15:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FLYdude (+1), GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ituralde (+4), Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, Northnovas, Stuperman, TinCow (+3) , AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
No: FactionHeir, Ignoramus (+4), nazgul3, OverKnight
PASSED
Edict 5.16:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), FactionHeir, GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ignoramus (+4), lilirishman1986, nazgul3, OverKnight, Stuperman, Warluster (+1), Xdeathfire
No: econ21 (+3), FLYdude (+1), Ituralde (+4), Kagemusha (+4), Northnovas, AussieGiant, TinCow (+3) 6
FAILED 20 to 21
Edict 5.20:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ignoramus (+4), Ituralde (+4), Jalf, lilirishman1986, nazgul3, Northnovas, Stuperman, Warluster (+1) , AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
No: FactionHeir, FLYdude (+1), Kagemusha (+4), OverKnight
PASSED
Edict 5.23:
Yes: econ21 (+3), FactionHeir, FLYdude (+1), GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ignoramus (+4), Ituralde (+4), Jalf, Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, nazgul3, Northnovas, OverKnight, Stuperman, Warluster (+1) , AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
PASSED NEM CON
Edict 5.24:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FactionHeir, FLYdude (+1), Ituralde (+4), Jalf, Kagemusha (+4), nazgul3, Northnovas, Stuperman, TinCow (+3) , AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
No: GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ignoramus (+4), lilirishman1986, OverKnight, Warluster (+1),
PASSED 27 to 14
Edict 5.25:
Yes:Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ignoramus (+4),Ituralde (+4), Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, nazgul3, Northnovas, OverKnight, TinCow (+3), FactionHeir, AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
No: Stuperman, Warluster (+1),
PASSED
Edict 5.26:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ituralde (+4), Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, nazgul3, OverKnight, Stuperman, TinCow (+3), AussieGiant, FactionHeir, Xdeathfire
No: econ21 (+3), Ignoramus (+4), Northnovas, Warluster (+1),
PASSED
Edict 5.27:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), FactionHeir, GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ignoramus (+4), Ituralde (+4), lilirishman1986, nazgul3, Northnovas, OverKnight, Stuperman, AussieGiant, TinCow (+3)
No:econ21 (+3), Kagemusha (+4)
PASSED
Edict 5.29:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FactionHeir, GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ituralde (+4), Jalf, lilirishman1986, nazgul3, Northnovas, OverKnight, Stuperman, TinCow (+3) , AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
No: Ignoramus (+4), Kagemusha (+4), Warluster (+1),
PASSED
Edict 5.30:
Yes: FactionHeir, Ituralde (+4), Jalf, lilirishman1986, nazgul3, OverKnight, Stuperman, Warluster (+1), Xdeathfire
No: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FLYdude (+1), GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ignoramus (+4), Kagemusha (+4), Northnovas, AussieGiant, TinCow (+3)
FAILED 14 to 29
Charter Amendment 5.1:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FactionHeir, FLYdude (+1), Ignoramus (+4), Ituralde (+4), Jalf, Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, nazgul3, Northnovas, Stuperman, TinCow (+3), Warluster (+1) , AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
No: GeneralHankerchief (+4),OverKnight
PASSED 36 to 6 (2/3 majority)
Charter Amendment 5.2:
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FLYdude (+1), Ignoramus (+4), Ituralde (+4), Jalf, Kagemusha (+4), nazgul3, Northnovas, OverKnight, Stuperman, TinCow (+3), Warluster (+1) , AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
No: FactionHeir, GeneralHankerchief (+4),lilirishman1986
PASSED 35 to 7 (2/3 majority)
Charter Amendment 5.3: Yes
Yes: Dutch_guy (+1), econ21 (+3), FactionHeir, FLYdude (+1), GeneralHankerchief (+4),Ignoramus (+4), Ituralde (+4), Jalf, Kagemusha (+4), lilirishman1986, Northnovas, Stuperman, TinCow (+3), Warluster (+1) , AussieGiant, Xdeathfire
No: nazgul3, OverKnight
PASSED
Text of Edicts:
Summary of Edicts proposed in Fifth Session of Diet
(Current up to post #536)
5.1 We should seek allies in England and Russia. This will force our enemies to a two front war if they dare attack us or our ally, especially as we currently do not share borders with these nations. At the same time, the alliances should only be decided if they shall pay us tribute for it, for we are the more superior nation. (aim for barely accepted)
Proposed: Fifth Elector of Swabia
Seconded: Count Otto von Kassel, 6th Elector of Bavaria
5.2 We need to move out all superfluous troops out from the heartland and leave just enough there to keep public order. These troops should be used to reinforce our borders and fronts.
Proposed: Fifth Elector of Swabia
Seconded: Steward Maximillian Mandorf, Duke Leopold
5.3 The elimination of Milan
Proposed: Fifth Elector of Swabia
Seconded: Count Otto von Kassel, 2nd Elector of Austria
5.4 Driving Venice back to at least Ragusa, leaving them with this region and Iraklion at the most
Proposed: Fifth Elector of Swabia
Seconded: Sixth Elector of Franconia, Duke Otto
5.5 Attempt to make the Poles our vassals (without spending more than map info and 5000 florins)
Proposed: Fifth Elector of Swabia
5.6 Attempt to make Milan our vassals (without spending more than map info and 5000 florins)
Proposed: Fifth Elector of Swabia
5.7 The training of additional clergy to root out heresy and allow more of our cardinals into the college.
Proposed: Fifth Elector of Swabia
Seconded: Sixth Elector of Franconia, Count Otto von Kassel
5.8 Training of at least 2 good assassins to take care of high profile political targets
Proposed: Fifth Elector of Swabia
Seconded: Jonas von Mahren; Count Otto von Kassel
Edict 5.9 Reich will start offensive against Poland by taking Magdeburg and continuing the offensive untill either Poland sues for peace or Papal warning of excommunication is given.
Proposed: Duke Dietrich von Saxony
Seconded: Sixth Elector of Franconia, Count Otto von Kassel
Edict 5.10 Holy Roman Empire suggests an alliance to Hungary.
Proposed: Duke Dietrich von Saxony
Seconded: Sixth Elector of Franconia, Count Otto von Kassel
Edict 5.11:Sigismund der Brav is to be sent against the French armies invading Burgundy. After that he shall proceed to conquer France until a Papal warning is given. Sigismund alone shall be sent against the French, as the other generals are needed in Italy and Poland.
Proposed: Count Sigismund der Brav
Withdrawn
Edict 5.12: The Empire is to adopt a defensive posture in the west in an attempt to lead to the excommunication of France. When France is excommunicated, the posture is to switch to an offensive one - aiming at Rheims and then Paris.
Proposed: Prinz Henry
Seconded: Duke Dietrich von Saxony, Count Otto von Kassel
Edict 5.13: All Milanese forces remaining in Italy are to be destroyed.
Proposed: Count Otto von Kassel
Seconded: Duke Dietrich von Saxony, Prinz Henry
5.14 If England does not accept an Alliance on reasonable terms that favor us, we ally with Scotland instead, of course only if they are more reasonable than the English.
Proposed: 5th Elector of Swabia
Seconded: Count Otto von Kassel, Steward Maximillan Mandorf
Edict 5.15: The large Milanese army outside Florence will be destroyed. After this is accomplished, we will seek to establish a ceasefire with Milan, so long as one can be obtained without cost to the Reich.
Proposed: Steward Maximillian Mandorf
Seconded: Duke Leopold, Dietrich Von Saxony
Edict 5.16: The nobility of our foes are subject to assassination.
Proposed: 4th Elector of Bavaria
Seconded: Emperor Heinrich; 5th elector of Swabia
Edict 5.17: Any aggression via the Papacy towards the Reich will result in an offensive against Rome via our field armies and the Pope will be subject to the proposed Edict 5.16.
Proposed: 4th Elector of Bavaria
Seconded: Count Otto von Kassel
Edict 5.18 - Every city and castle of all levels in the Empire are to have built at least 1 type of Economic help in that city, in 5 years limit
Proposed: Jobst von Salza
Seconded: Jonas von Mahren
Edict 5.19: All agent training is to be suspended in order to cut back on royal spending
Proposed: 4th Elector of Swabia
Seconded: Duke Leopold
Edict 5.20: All cities with access to the sea must build the needed facilities to encourage and boost commerce.
Proposed: Jonas von Mahren
Seconded: 6th Elector of Austria; Count Sigismund
Edict 5.21: The Reich will contact those nations with whom we are not at war, and have no direct conflicts of interests with, and attempt to improve our diplomatic relationships, with florins if necessary.
Proposed: Jonas von Mahren
Seconded: 6th Elector of Austria
Edict 5.22 we send diplomates to gather good relations with other nations... short of the spending of Florines on them giving money to peoples when we need it is not a wise decision...
Proposed: 6th Elector of Bavaria
Edict 5.23: during the term of the next chanceler... the reich sizes Magdeburg and/or Bresalu... to provide a buffer zone and future launch sites for invasion agianst Poland
Proposed: 5th Elector of Austria
Seconded: Duke Leopold, 5th Elector of Swabia
Edict 5.24: The future Chancellor will avoid excommunication by Pope Gregory by following Papal cease and desist orders to the letter.
Proposed: Duke Leopold
Seconded: Maximillian Mandorf, Dietrich Von Saxony
Edict 5.25: Duke Leopold is to be put at the head of an army large enough to seize and hold Zagreb.
Proposed: Duke Leopold
Seconded: Maximillian Mandorf, 6th Elector of Austria
Edict 5.26: If Venice has not fallen until the events of Edict 5.25 have passed Duke Leopold is to be given enough men to assault and conquer the city of Venice.
Proposed: Duke Leopold
Seconded: Maximillian Mandorf, Dietrich Von Saxony
Edict 5.27: The spy Sifridus von Swabia is to be sent to the vicinity of Budapest. If he can infiltrate the city without a considerable risk for his life he should do so. Otherwise it will suffice he is active in the countryside surrounding Budapest.
Proposed: Duke Leopold
Seconded: 5th Elector of Swabia, Maximillian Mandorf
Edict 5.28: To prevent Hungarian aggression against the Austrian capital Vienna it's garrison has to kept at a minimum of six units, capable of defending the city.
Proposed: Duke Leopold
Seconded: 6th Elector of Austria
Edict 5.29: The chancellor shall endeavor to send emissaries (without needing to train new ones) to contact other nations we have no contacts with to obtain alliances, and trade rights. Our payment shall be no more than map information and he shall aim to make all contacts pay appropriately for spending our time and efforts on them.
Proposed: 5th Elector of Swabia
Seconded: 6th Elector of Austria, Dietrich Von Saxony
Edict 5.30: As a demonstration of the price of betrayal and to send a message to all of Europe that the Reich will not be defied, when the city of Venice is taken the populace will be exterminated.
Proposed: Count Otto
Seconded: Duke Leopold; 5th Elector of Swabia
Charter Amendment 5.1: Each Duchy shall have a Household Army with which to defend its territories. The Household Army will be governed by the following clauses:
1) The Household Army may not be removed from the House’s provinces without the permission of the Duke.
2) The Duke will determine where the Household Army is to be garrisoned. This location can be changed at any time, so long as the Duke informs the Chancellor of the move. The Chancellor will not remove the Household Army from the garrison without the Duke’s permission, except as required to fulfill Clause 4.
3) The Duke will determine who commands the Household Army.
4) At the beginning of each Diet session the Duke may assign general orders to the Household Army, which are to be carried out by the Chancellor. Between Diet sessions, any additional orders submitted by Dukes are to be implemented only at the Chancellor's discretion. The Duke may select one of the following Orders: (1) attack any rebel force in House territory, (2) attack any hostile force in House territory, including other factions, (3) attack any foreign or rebel army in House territory, including neutral (but not allied or crusading) factions, (4) temporary assignment to another House, (5) assignment to offensive duties. If Order (4) is chosen, the Duke may determine the time limit of the temporary assignment and the commanding general, but all other decisions are made by the Duke of the receiving house. When the time limit expires, the Household Army must be immediately returned to House lands, no matter what other circumstances occur, unless the Duke agrees otherwise. If Order (5) is chosen, the Duke may specify an enemy settlement or army as the objective and the commanding general. The settlement or army must be in a province that borders the House and the Reich must already be at war with the target. All other decisions are made by the Chancellor. The Duke may recall the Household Army from offensive duties at any time and for any reason.
5) The Household Army will consist of a minimum of 3 infantry regiments, 2 ranged regiments, and 1 cavalry regiment. The Household Army will ideally consist of 4 infantry regiments, 3 ranged regiments, and 2 cavalry regiments. For the purposes of this rule, Generals’ bodyguard units do not count as cavalry regiments. All regiments must be professional soldiers, not militia.
6) If a Household Army falls below the minimum strength level, Imperial military recruitment must be allocated to restoring the Household Army to minimum strength before forces can be sent elsewhere.
7) The Chancellor will attempt to maintain the Household Armies at full strength, with the highest quality regiments available.
8) In emergencies, the Chancellor may detach any units in excess of the minimum strength level for use elsewhere. The Chancellor may not reduce a Household Army below the minimum strength level without the permission of the Duke.
9) If the Imperial Treasury cannot support all Household Armies at minimum strength, the Chancellor must consult with the Dukes and receive their permission to reduce the Household Armies in such a way as to eliminate the deficit.
10) The Imperial Diet may temporarily remove any or all of these rules by a simple majority vote. The temporary period will last no longer than 10 turns.
Proposed: Steward Maximillan Mandorf
Seconded: Count Fredericus von Hamburg; Duke Dietrich von Saxony
Charter Ammendment 5.2 (revised): Each Elector may only propose ONE edict or charter ammendments per Diet. In addition, Dukes may propose THREE House edicts per Diet provided that they have previously securing the backing of two other members of their House.
Proposed: Prinz Henry
Seconded: Duke Dietrich von Saxony, Count Otto von Kassel
Charter Amendment 5.3: This Amendment revises several Game Rules to keep them updated and prevent future confusions. The following Rules are revised as listed.
All lines with strikethroughs will be permanently removed.
Rule 2.4 is revised to state: 2.4 The Chancellor is elected every 10 turns. Incumbent Chancellors can run for re-election if they wish.
Rule 3.7 is revised to state: 3.7 Every 10 turns, or on the death or impeachment of the Chancellor, there is an election for the post of Chancellor. Ties lead to a fresh ballot. A second tie is decided by seniority (avatar age). Voting is open for 2 days.
Rule 5.2 is revised to state: Once in his reign, the Emperor may automatically assume the post of Chancellor. The Emperor must declare he is exercising that right at a Diet; he will then be appointed Chancellor with no election. This right can only be invoked once, but the Emperor may also compete in normal Chancellorship elections at other Diets.
Rule 6.4 will have the following words deleted from it “get a permanent +1 influence and”
Rule 6.6 is revised to state: 6.6 The title of Field Marshall shall be given to the commanders of the Household Armies for the duration of their command.
Proposed: Steward Mandorf
Seconded: Prinz Henry; Duke Leopold