Mylae
03-17-2007, 14:26
Extensive Building Project
The aim of the project is to change the rtw building tree for a new multiple choice possibility of development.
Actually, one building leads to a single development; and not always upgrades are closely related each other. For instance, sewers develop in baths, and this is not a logic consequence, neither you have the possibility to choose another possible development.
Our idea is to give the player a multiple-choice approach, in which the player is faced with the possibility of develop one building in different way. This is allowed by the rtw hardcoded engine, however it has never been used in modifications.
The AI seems to answer pretty good.
Each culture group - and each faction - will have particular and unique buildings.
Particular are buildings allowed to a faction or a certain group of factions, e.g. an etruscan necropolis will be built up only by etruscans and not by greeks. Unique buildings are a set of several buildings already built - or with a placeholder - that will be created under certain circumstances by the player or via script; they exist only in certain cities, e.g. the roman forum who exist only in Rome, and could be upgraded ingame under certain condition.
Another thing is to substitute actual rtw buildings with new ones that will give different and several choices.
Several buildings are already developed, in development or wait some ideas to be shaped better. those ideas will came from YOU, reader :)
GREEKS
already done buildings:
COLONY
https://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6795/coloniamx5.jpg
possible remarks:
1- high cost
2- too few time for building it
3- both levels are available on the "large town" stage
BUT
Is intended as a "fast" movement of population; colony were "launched" by the mothercity and people sent get money and sometimes slaves were freed. the fact that both are at the same level of development could be fixed, however by script it should get an x increase of population - maybe the right one to get the further level. in this way, by a building, we could develop faster the city.
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SCHOOL
https://img112.imageshack.us/img112/4474/scuolatb0.jpg
possible remarks:
1- too high cost (expecially for the didaskaleion)
2- the diplomat recruiting
BUT
The high cost is intended as a cost not for the structure in itself, but for the teachings. diplomats should need a basic school training, and the didaskaleion offers it. however, the idea was to improve the preparation of diplomats, and that's why the "+1" works. a possible solution is to recruit diplomats only in governmental structures, but so:
agent diplomat 0 requires factions {eastern, } and not building_present_min_level scuola didaskaleion
agent diplomat 1 requires faction {eastern, } and building_present_min_level scuola didaskaleion
it should made sure that is not the didaskaleion to recruit the diplomats.
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LIBRARY
https://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9652/bibliotecamo0.jpg
possible remarks:
1- the trade income bonus on bibliokapelos and not in the developments
2- too high cost for the developments
3- too much time for the developments
4- diplomat bonus
BUT
the bibliokapelos is a "book-seller", who commerce, while libraries and state archives are not. i know maybe is not a proper "line" of buildings; they are more "book-related stuff" and not the development of a single building. about the high time, we know that to make a true library, much money and time was needed, not for the building in itself, but because of the scarcity of books. state archive, like the roman tabularium, were collecting treaties and so on among books, annals and so; it seems me logic that diplomats should increase their knowledge.
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GYMNASION
https://img365.imageshack.us/img365/6057/ginnasioaq8.th.jpg (https://img365.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ginnasioaq8.jpg)
possible remarks:
1- the Sphairisterion develop in a city and not in a large city (like Peristylion and Exedra)
2- there is a morale bonus for troops on Palaistra, Peristylion, Xystos and Sphairisterion but the others not give it
3- too high costs for high-level developments, expecially if confronted to base level
4- too high time for the high-level developments
5- the sphairisterion not develop on some other building like the other does
BUT
first of all, a Sphairisterion is a large spot of ground, used as a sort of race track, and occasionally as a military training field. So, since i could create max 8 levels of buildings, is logic that: 1- a land clearance for a sphairisterion could be done even in a village, and does not "need" many citizens, and 2- a large spot of ground used as a racetrack means that i will not build something on, so there are no more buildings there. The fylakeion or the barracks are reqired, since such a structure will be used sometime - or often - by the local greek military, who see it as a good place where to spent time, and the officers will encourage them in wrestling, running and so on.
Also, it offers a good happiness bonus and a +2 morale to "compensate" the better
bonuses that come from other developments.
As said before, military will like to frequent the gymnasion if there are some massive sport activities, even proper training; a skole, and its development, makes the gymnasion a study place, and in an akroaterion were held university-like lessons, so to keep silence is almost essential, and there is no fun in wrestling on the nearby palaistra if you could not cry. Study on philosophy, rhetoric and so on will make diplomats skilled, too.
About the high time and cost, it should be sad that the gymnasion could became large and complex structure; while a "basic" one could be just a large spot of ground, they like to embellish it with statues, marbles, proper rooms where to spent some time, get washed by olive oil and dust, and so on. it took a lot of money to be spent.
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SMITH
https://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7205/pifabbroky5.th.png (https://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pifabbroky5.png)
- 4.1- Sarissopoios (sarissa-maker)
- 3.1- Machairopoios (swordmaker)
- 3.2- Akonopoios (javelinmaker)
- 2.1- Stratopoiia (warsmith) 3.3- Kranopoios (helmetmaker)
1.1- Chalkeion
- (smith)
-
- 2.2- Douloi Chalkoirgoi 4.2- Douloi Techniteis Chalkourgoi
- (slave workers) (skilled slave workers)
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MILITARY GARRISON
https://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4817/piguardiait8.png
1- Fylakeion 2- Fylake
The Fylake is a sort of military garrison; Fylakeion is a little one.
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DEVELOPED & WAITING FOR UI WORK ON IT:
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NEORION / LIMEN
2.1 Limen Emporikous (commercial port) => 2.2 Megas Limen Emporikous (large commercial port)
Limen
1- (basic port) 3.1 Limen Neorikous (commercial and military port) => 3.2 Megas Limen Neorikous (large commercial & military)
4.1 Neorion (military harbour) => 4.2 Megas Neorion (large military arsenal)
how they work?
1- the basic port offers very little trade and as only recruitable unit the triakonter.
----------
2.1 the commercial port has a boost on trade, and you could recruit just the triakonter, a cercurus and a merchant vessel.
2.2 tha large commercial port has a larger boost on trade but the same weakness of recruitable units; just triakonter, cercurus, a merchant vessel , pentekonter and a keles kataskopos.
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3.1 the commercial and military port is intended as the better compromise about trade and military necessities; it will offer an average economic boost and a good range of ships: merchant vessel, triacontere, cercurus, celes kataskopos, pentekonter, bireme, hemiolia.
3.2 the large commercial/military port will bring the same economic bonus of a little commercial port and offer the wide range of: triakonter, merchant vessel, cercurus, celes kataskopos, pentekonter, bireme, hemiolia, trihemiolia, trireme.
--------------
4.1 the military arsenal will have almost no trade bonus (will just mantain the one of the little basic port) but units here will be a little cheaper due to the more skilled workers in here. units: triakonter, cercurus, celes kataskopos, pentekonter, bireme, hemiolia, trihemiolia, trireme.
4.2 the large arsenal mantins the very small commerce bonus and offers the widest range of military units with a +1 experience: triakonter, cercurus, celes kataskopos, pentekonter, bireme, hemiolia, trihemiolia, trireme, tetrereme, quinquireme, hexereme, heptereme, decereme.
----------
DEVELOPED COMPLETELY BUT WAITING FOR A PREVIEW:
(none at the moment)
UNDER DEVELOPMENT
NECROPOLIS
EMPORION
ERGASTERION
TEMPLES (SANCTUARY AND TEMPLE STRUCTURE)
SITOBOLEION (GRANARY)
The aim of the project is to change the rtw building tree for a new multiple choice possibility of development.
Actually, one building leads to a single development; and not always upgrades are closely related each other. For instance, sewers develop in baths, and this is not a logic consequence, neither you have the possibility to choose another possible development.
Our idea is to give the player a multiple-choice approach, in which the player is faced with the possibility of develop one building in different way. This is allowed by the rtw hardcoded engine, however it has never been used in modifications.
The AI seems to answer pretty good.
Each culture group - and each faction - will have particular and unique buildings.
Particular are buildings allowed to a faction or a certain group of factions, e.g. an etruscan necropolis will be built up only by etruscans and not by greeks. Unique buildings are a set of several buildings already built - or with a placeholder - that will be created under certain circumstances by the player or via script; they exist only in certain cities, e.g. the roman forum who exist only in Rome, and could be upgraded ingame under certain condition.
Another thing is to substitute actual rtw buildings with new ones that will give different and several choices.
Several buildings are already developed, in development or wait some ideas to be shaped better. those ideas will came from YOU, reader :)
GREEKS
already done buildings:
COLONY
https://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6795/coloniamx5.jpg
possible remarks:
1- high cost
2- too few time for building it
3- both levels are available on the "large town" stage
BUT
Is intended as a "fast" movement of population; colony were "launched" by the mothercity and people sent get money and sometimes slaves were freed. the fact that both are at the same level of development could be fixed, however by script it should get an x increase of population - maybe the right one to get the further level. in this way, by a building, we could develop faster the city.
----------
SCHOOL
https://img112.imageshack.us/img112/4474/scuolatb0.jpg
possible remarks:
1- too high cost (expecially for the didaskaleion)
2- the diplomat recruiting
BUT
The high cost is intended as a cost not for the structure in itself, but for the teachings. diplomats should need a basic school training, and the didaskaleion offers it. however, the idea was to improve the preparation of diplomats, and that's why the "+1" works. a possible solution is to recruit diplomats only in governmental structures, but so:
agent diplomat 0 requires factions {eastern, } and not building_present_min_level scuola didaskaleion
agent diplomat 1 requires faction {eastern, } and building_present_min_level scuola didaskaleion
it should made sure that is not the didaskaleion to recruit the diplomats.
----------
LIBRARY
https://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9652/bibliotecamo0.jpg
possible remarks:
1- the trade income bonus on bibliokapelos and not in the developments
2- too high cost for the developments
3- too much time for the developments
4- diplomat bonus
BUT
the bibliokapelos is a "book-seller", who commerce, while libraries and state archives are not. i know maybe is not a proper "line" of buildings; they are more "book-related stuff" and not the development of a single building. about the high time, we know that to make a true library, much money and time was needed, not for the building in itself, but because of the scarcity of books. state archive, like the roman tabularium, were collecting treaties and so on among books, annals and so; it seems me logic that diplomats should increase their knowledge.
----------
GYMNASION
https://img365.imageshack.us/img365/6057/ginnasioaq8.th.jpg (https://img365.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ginnasioaq8.jpg)
possible remarks:
1- the Sphairisterion develop in a city and not in a large city (like Peristylion and Exedra)
2- there is a morale bonus for troops on Palaistra, Peristylion, Xystos and Sphairisterion but the others not give it
3- too high costs for high-level developments, expecially if confronted to base level
4- too high time for the high-level developments
5- the sphairisterion not develop on some other building like the other does
BUT
first of all, a Sphairisterion is a large spot of ground, used as a sort of race track, and occasionally as a military training field. So, since i could create max 8 levels of buildings, is logic that: 1- a land clearance for a sphairisterion could be done even in a village, and does not "need" many citizens, and 2- a large spot of ground used as a racetrack means that i will not build something on, so there are no more buildings there. The fylakeion or the barracks are reqired, since such a structure will be used sometime - or often - by the local greek military, who see it as a good place where to spent time, and the officers will encourage them in wrestling, running and so on.
Also, it offers a good happiness bonus and a +2 morale to "compensate" the better
bonuses that come from other developments.
As said before, military will like to frequent the gymnasion if there are some massive sport activities, even proper training; a skole, and its development, makes the gymnasion a study place, and in an akroaterion were held university-like lessons, so to keep silence is almost essential, and there is no fun in wrestling on the nearby palaistra if you could not cry. Study on philosophy, rhetoric and so on will make diplomats skilled, too.
About the high time and cost, it should be sad that the gymnasion could became large and complex structure; while a "basic" one could be just a large spot of ground, they like to embellish it with statues, marbles, proper rooms where to spent some time, get washed by olive oil and dust, and so on. it took a lot of money to be spent.
----------
SMITH
https://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7205/pifabbroky5.th.png (https://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pifabbroky5.png)
- 4.1- Sarissopoios (sarissa-maker)
- 3.1- Machairopoios (swordmaker)
- 3.2- Akonopoios (javelinmaker)
- 2.1- Stratopoiia (warsmith) 3.3- Kranopoios (helmetmaker)
1.1- Chalkeion
- (smith)
-
- 2.2- Douloi Chalkoirgoi 4.2- Douloi Techniteis Chalkourgoi
- (slave workers) (skilled slave workers)
----------
MILITARY GARRISON
https://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4817/piguardiait8.png
1- Fylakeion 2- Fylake
The Fylake is a sort of military garrison; Fylakeion is a little one.
----------
DEVELOPED & WAITING FOR UI WORK ON IT:
----------
NEORION / LIMEN
2.1 Limen Emporikous (commercial port) => 2.2 Megas Limen Emporikous (large commercial port)
Limen
1- (basic port) 3.1 Limen Neorikous (commercial and military port) => 3.2 Megas Limen Neorikous (large commercial & military)
4.1 Neorion (military harbour) => 4.2 Megas Neorion (large military arsenal)
how they work?
1- the basic port offers very little trade and as only recruitable unit the triakonter.
----------
2.1 the commercial port has a boost on trade, and you could recruit just the triakonter, a cercurus and a merchant vessel.
2.2 tha large commercial port has a larger boost on trade but the same weakness of recruitable units; just triakonter, cercurus, a merchant vessel , pentekonter and a keles kataskopos.
--------------
3.1 the commercial and military port is intended as the better compromise about trade and military necessities; it will offer an average economic boost and a good range of ships: merchant vessel, triacontere, cercurus, celes kataskopos, pentekonter, bireme, hemiolia.
3.2 the large commercial/military port will bring the same economic bonus of a little commercial port and offer the wide range of: triakonter, merchant vessel, cercurus, celes kataskopos, pentekonter, bireme, hemiolia, trihemiolia, trireme.
--------------
4.1 the military arsenal will have almost no trade bonus (will just mantain the one of the little basic port) but units here will be a little cheaper due to the more skilled workers in here. units: triakonter, cercurus, celes kataskopos, pentekonter, bireme, hemiolia, trihemiolia, trireme.
4.2 the large arsenal mantins the very small commerce bonus and offers the widest range of military units with a +1 experience: triakonter, cercurus, celes kataskopos, pentekonter, bireme, hemiolia, trihemiolia, trireme, tetrereme, quinquireme, hexereme, heptereme, decereme.
----------
DEVELOPED COMPLETELY BUT WAITING FOR A PREVIEW:
(none at the moment)
UNDER DEVELOPMENT
NECROPOLIS
EMPORION
ERGASTERION
TEMPLES (SANCTUARY AND TEMPLE STRUCTURE)
SITOBOLEION (GRANARY)