It\'s crusaders!!

[Hatamoto]

Just got my subscription copy of PC Gamer through. Four page article on the follow up to S:TW. will be crusades and medieval Europe.

Obvoious mistake though is a projected release date of Summer 2002. Must mean 2004.

are you serious? you better not be kidding !

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go SCAN it ! hurry up, i'll give you 10 minutes http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

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I'm a man... I can change... If I have to...
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[The Daimyo]

Crikey! Oh my....this could get ugly in here....

http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

Sounds good to me. That gives me a chance to make the Roman game...one way or another.....

Muahahaa!
"C'mon Frodo, give us the damn ring or I'll shoot you with my widgie!"



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Miaowara "Kakizaki" Tomokato
@ http://www.planettotalwar.com

[Erado San]

Make that five. What are you waiting for, man?

well... i was just trying to be nice... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

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[radan]

Not Romans eh..

[EuroSan]

I hope it isnt a joke...this is what i was asking/begging for back on Erados Q´s times...cant get happy yet.....have to see some official notes on it http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif

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[This message has been edited by EuroSan (edited 07-31-2001).]

[Kurando]

Well, I'll be jiggered! If that is true, they sure did fool old uncle K-man!

[The Daimyo]

That's odd...we're all here at the same time, posting within minutes of each other.
Very odd

Stop Following Me!!!

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Miaowara "Kakizaki" Tomokato
@ http://www.planettotalwar.com

[EuroSan]

Frodo(Adam) get back to your cage!! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif

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[The Daimyo]

Are you touching me? Are you TOUCHING ME?
Huh?
What's that you say? You want some of this?
You want some of my BoomStick?

Come and get it!
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The Daimyo
Miaowara "Kakizaki" Tomokato
@ http://www.planettotalwar.com

miaow... following you ?I was the first one http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

now- it's been half an hour!!! where is it ?

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[Erado San]

Who opened this chat box?

[The Daimyo]

LOL!!!

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The Daimyo
Miaowara "Kakizaki" Tomokato
@ http://www.planettotalwar.com

[The Daimyo]

This is odd...never had a conversation of sorts in here....

http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

So, anyways...How can we get this info confirmed ASAP?



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Miaowara "Kakizaki" Tomokato
@ http://www.planettotalwar.com

damn! where is he i was just going to sleep when i did the last forum check and found this...

as a side note- if this is a hoax there will be a planeload of MAD people flying to UK... nuff said... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[Erado San]

If it is he's dead meat.

[EuroSan]

Dinner for Frodo http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif

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[The Daimyo]

Frodo? Man, I was speaking in gibberish, gimme a break...ain't you ever seen The Hobbit or Lord of the Rings?

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Miaowara "Kakizaki" Tomokato
@ http://www.planettotalwar.com

[Erado San]

Then again, if it's true the developers really managed to put the blinds up pretty well. Most people were almost sure it was Romans.

[EuroSan]

Yes i have.....thats why i rubb it in to y, Frodo http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif

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[Erado San]

Frodo, how can we tell the difference? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

[EuroSan]

Got to love the guy Smeegol (or how its spellt)

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this is better than talking to you all on ICQ lol

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[Erado San]

24 posts in one hour... nice.

Now where's Hatamoto? YOOOOHOOOOO

[EuroSan]

Lets make the longest post in here...in one day http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif

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[Erado San]

Ahem... hem...

As a moderator here, may I remind you all to stay on topic? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif

[MagyarKhans Cham]

If it are tyhe crusaders and mideavel europe than they can make a second mongol invasion pack as well.... and we can enlarge the campaign to europe...

[EuroSan]

Mongol vs Crusaders=??

now it has mongol in it http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif

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[This message has been edited by EuroSan (edited 07-31-2001).]

[The Daimyo]

Well, it would help if you guys over there in Europe could get yer hand on a copy of the PCGamer mag...won't be here in USA for another week.....Where's that dude who posted that tease of a post!?!?!?

I guess that's a fair trade? We get game a week earlier, you get news a week earlier?

That sounds fair... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif


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Miaowara "Kakizaki" Tomokato
@ http://www.planettotalwar.com

[EuroSan]

And also a Mongol visiting http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/rolleyes.gif

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[radan]

This must be a record for the most post for a single topic on a single day!! And who started it...HATAMOTO...where are you...if you're telling the truth..welcome man.. if not...well I'll let the others decide.

if not... one thing is for sure, or 2 actually:

- it will HURT a LOT
- it will LAST a LONG time

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[Dark Phoenix]

Well not really I did 50 posts on the Shameless thread in whatever time it takes for the flood control takes. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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I am no hero I just like to hit people in the head. :p

[The Daimyo]

Isn't that an instant Section 8 around here?


Man I never get past those flood stoppers....the EzBoard ones are worse, I try and hit several boards with news within a few minutes and it stops me for a minute at each one....gerr...

So, anyone have some pics yet? Bootleg or otherwise! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif



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Miaowara "Kakizaki" Tomokato
@ http://www.planettotalwar.com

[Bohemond]

Hopefully this is no bullshit! Have my doubts though....
Crusaders Total War would be the second game I have been waiting for my entire life (Grand Prix Legends was the first). Not kidding.
Just imagine the possibilities! Hopefully the will include the Assassins and improve the diplomatic system. If Crusader Armies appear in the Holy Land they should be your allies first but decide greedily on their own who they attack, thus endangering the delicate diplomatic fabric you have arduously created. And there should be real sieges, with real castles!
And one thing is for sure. The TC (Templar-Cavallery) will be even worse than the WM. Why? Because they have much better armour and ride on horses!
Hatamoto, if your a liar we will smear you with honey and put you at the mercy of the insects.

[Fatboy]

No more idle speculation without some evidence. Scan up or shut up!

[Hatamoto]

wow first post and I hit pay dirt this time. Go off, do a bit of work and look what happens!

Totally true, hoping for Romans myself but there you go. will try to scan for you but as it's four pages will probably try to extract relevent bits.

Apparently sieges will have a lot more options and up to fourteen nations represented (over different times and campaigns). Covers around 400 years of history. Slightly more RPG in leader design.

There will be Barbarian territories so you can crusade in Prussia etc.

First month of subscription to PC Gamer, what a scoop!!!!

[Bohemond]

So I can play as the Deutsche Orden in Prussia too? How I was praying this would be included, the German Knights looked so cool in their Black-and-White robes. Sounds way too good to be true, you must scan, understand me, you must, for all the amber of the baltic coast!!!

[WarlordJacquesMolay]

Hey,

Templar cavalry? That sounds kewl!
But what it will be their anti-unit type?Camel arches,battlefield dervishis,hashasin killers or like in real history the Pope's state?

[Bohemond]

Well, good question. I guess the problem with the Templars was that they were soo few because they weren't allowed to have sex, er, at least no with women ...
I think the Templars should be extremely expensive, extremely difficult to train Heavy cavalry with a very high morale.
On the other hand, the military orders provided for themselves, so it would be very relaistic if only a Christian ruler of Jerusalem gets a few of them for free every turn, but cannot train them.
There were all types of unts at the era and I want to investigate them, for instance the Orders had Light Cavalry (the Turkopoles) very similar to the Mameluk Cavalry. They certainly had Infantry as well, but probably Laymen.

[WarlordJacquesMolay]

Bohemond,

I'm sure that you realize that all the accustations made against the Templar Order were lies and the whole trial was a joke...the true thing is that the Order was very rich since they invented the banking system in Europe,and the truth is that the king of France had a huge debit with them..

Also the Templar knights were absolutely non-racist in regard to the people and culture of the middle east,that putted them on the Roman Pope 'black list'.

[Vanya]

Were there any Russian knights in the Crusades?

[Maltz]

Wow this is getting controversial...! Expecting some serious conflicts between clan choices here.

Hmm who knows. Maybe by the time the game comes out one side in middle east has wiped out the other http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif

[WarlordJacquesMolay]

Lol,

good one Maltz,are u referring to the Nostradamus prophecy or to the actual situation in the middle east?...hehe

[Choco]

I can't wait for the Crusaders game ... oh waitv ... I am STILL waiting for the Mongol Expansion http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif

As the old saying is: Strategy game is a dish better served cold? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

[vangersonm]

Thats Bullsh*t...............The Romans are a much better period!

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Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.

[WarlordJacquesMolay]

I'm not sure about this Vanya,but i think that during the crusades,Russia was overrun by the Mongols and others steppes war tribes.

[Bohemond]

Well, Jacques de Molay, it has been claimed many times that you weren't really burnt in 1314, and that you are still alive. I think your participation here proves that.
In no way do I disagree that the destruction of your order was a calculated political atrocity on grounds I cannot approve of.
However, to turn the Al-Aqsa Mosque into a stables was certainly not very nice ..
I am a great admirer of the military orders, maybe I would have considered becoming a member back then. The boundless idealism!
The templar monks life had its disadvantages though, certainly from todays viewpoint. Not least the ones I mentioned in my last post.
Anyway, I hope somebody will finally confirm Hatamotos post, so we can start spreading rumours and speculation for the next months, .. well .. years maybe.
Concerning the anti-weapon against your brethren, Jacques, I have my own ideas. I think CTW should in this respect be more about strategy, that is, Templar-Knights should be a precious elite that simply cannot be produced in large numbers. You would therefore have to fortify them and wait for the right moment to use them. In real tactical battles they should be capable to fight against an army ten times larger, because they really had to be that strong, simply because the odds were like that!

[Dongal]

Re: Templars
In fact, there were a whole BUTTLOAD of them at the time they were disbanded, which was an additional factor besides the economic one in their being disolved. The order might have taken a clue from the Medieval jews: every time they loaned a king money, when the debt got too heavy, they got a pogrom.
]I)

[Maltz]

Quote Originally posted by WarlordJacquesMolay:
Lol,

good one Maltz,are u referring to the Nostradamus prophecy or to the actual situation in the middle east?...hehe[/QUOTE]
Hi Molay: What is this Nostradamus prophecy? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif (I was referring to the actual middle east)

[WarlordJacquesMolay]

Bohemond,

i think that the real Jacques de Molay(not me)died burned alive,but i'm sure the order survied in many forms(the cathars eresy connection)the early banking systen in Switzerland and in portugal with a different name.About the stables in the Solomon's Temple..it was the king of Jerusalem that gave the stables of the temple for housing the knights(initially they were 9)and in turn the Templars modifed and fortified their stable/residence in a better way,not to mention the extensive diggings works an underground galleries made by the knights for 20 years or more...

Maltz,

There are many prophecies and even more interpretetions about the Nostradamus writtings,some of them regarding the WWIII !

[Bohemond]

OK. Jacques de Molay was burnt. I'm a bit disappointed now.
Could you explain why you think the Templars were tolerant? They certainly were more cultivated people than "normal" Knights. but my general impression of the time is that the Muslim were very tolerant and cultivated and the Franks were brutal zealots.

[Vanya]

Quote Originally posted by Bohemond:

Well, Jacques de Molay, it has been claimed many times that you weren't really burnt in 1314, and that you are still alive. I think your participation here proves that.
In no way do I disagree that the destruction of your order was a calculated political atrocity on grounds I cannot approve of.
However, to turn the Al-Aqsa Mosque into a stables was certainly not very nice ..
I am a great admirer of the military orders, maybe I would have considered becoming a member back then. The boundless idealism!
The templar monks life had its disadvantages though, certainly from todays viewpoint. Not least the ones I mentioned in my last post.
Anyway, I hope somebody will finally confirm Hatamotos post, so we can start spreading rumours and speculation for the next months, .. well .. years maybe.
Concerning the anti-weapon against your brethren, Jacques, I have my own ideas. I think CTW should in this respect be more about strategy, that is, Templar-Knights should be a precious elite that simply cannot be produced in large numbers. You would therefore have to fortify them and wait for the right moment to use them. In real tactical battles they should be capable to fight against an army ten times larger, because they really had to be that strong, simply because the odds were like that!

[/QUOTE]


Sounds like a Kensai-like unit, only mounted on a Horse...

[Vlad]

Crusaders is another era not developed as was the Shogun era. I will wait ten years if necessary.

[WarlordJacquesMolay]

The Templars were tolerant because they were interested in the muslims knowledge that at that time was superior to Europe one,however the arabs science was forbidden in Europe and considered with superstition by commoners and preists.

The Templar were very close to stipulate an alliance with the hassassin order,they had good relationships with arabs clans also.
Again the Pope forced them to breack the treaty with the assasin and to turn them from guardians of the knowledge (initially they were only 9) to military purposes...sounds like a strumentalization to me..

[WarlordJacquesMolay]

Let's not confuse the Templar knights with the Teutons one!

[Fatboy]

This is still just unfounded speculation.
We need to see some proof - 1 scanned page would be enough.

[Zacharat Hennataga]

There were many knights from many countrys...there were knights from russia,poland,germany,itaily,france,england,
spain and a few from the byzintine empire.

[Bohemond]

Quote Originally posted by WarlordJacquesMolay:
Let's not confuse the Templar knights with the Teutons one![/QUOTE]

What do you mean by that?
As far as the Holy Land is concerned, they certainly played only minor part. It is certain in 11th century there were in Germany even less people that could read Latin than in France or Italy. But they were very pious and cared for the sick the same way the Knights of St.John did (the Templars did not).
And as far as the Baltic is concerned, IMHO there has been a lot of biased propaganda by the Poles and Russians, but I don't want to start another topic, well I am biased too!

[Koga No Goshi]

Personally if it's Crusades I'm thrilled. Was never hot on the Roman idea myself. It's just been too overdone, and like it's been pointed out, castle warfare had little to no place in the Roman era.



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"Nandai"
Since time began
the dead alone know peace.
Life is but melting snow.

[WarlordJacquesMolay]

Bohemund,

do not confuse the Templar knights with the Teutons ones about the racist issue...the Teutons were reported guilty of atrocities vs neutral population like in Hungary or Poland and also vs the middle east people..

The Templars the Teutons and the Hospitaller(st Jhon.) were all founded initially for taking care of the pilgrims...the Hospitallers were so good in this job because they learned Muslim medicine..

[CeltiberoSkullXIII]

my dreams come true i gave the idea to make a CRUSADES GAME OR A ROMAN EMPIRE game on a thread long ago in OFF TOPIC http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000796.html - ALL MY DREAMS COME TRUE!!! GOOD BLESS EA ... (mmmmmm....) not yet they didn't launched WARLORD EDITION... hehehe

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[Whitey]

I think crusaders is a very good choice, unlike classic STW the sides are different, and unlike the Mongol Invasion, Diplomacy is possible, that was always the problem for me with a roman game, unless it depicted the Punic wars or Greek wars then diplomacy would not be properly modelled. Religion is a factor in the crusades, ok that’s a blatant understatement – religion IS the crusades, it is far less influential in Rome at a national political level.

My knowledge of Roman warfare is not extensive (OK – minimal) but didn’t the crusades have a larger diversity in the troops used and as both sides could correctly be considered armies with recognisable organisational structures (unlike some of Rome’s opponents) but at the same time with completely different interpretations of what that meant, then it would be a far more interesting choice than Rome.

A very clever choice from Creative in my opinion, even people who don’t like it now will come around to it – it has immense scope and the only question is ‘can they pull it off’ because if they can, it’ll be a real step for ‘Total War’ and ‘the man’ did say in the interview with the state that they were going to be even more adventurous, so I believe hatamoto…

[CeltiberoSkullXIII]

Tuetons were barbarians during the roman empire... and in the middle age they were a little bit evolutioned...anyway teutons are the actually German Volk ...

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[radan]

Quote Originally posted by Hatamoto:
wow first post and I hit pay dirt this time. Go off, do a bit of work and look what happens!

Totally true, hoping for Romans myself but there you go. will try to scan for you but as it's four pages will probably try to extract relevent bits.

Apparently sieges will have a lot more options and up to fourteen nations represented (over different times and campaigns). Covers around 400 years of history. Slightly more RPG in leader design.

There will be Barbarian territories so you can crusade in Prussia etc.

First month of subscription to PC Gamer, what a scoop!!!! [/QUOTE]


So where are the scanned pages my friend?

[Vlad]

¿Wich is PC Gamer´s URL?

[Catiline]

it's www.pcgamer.co.uk, (http://www.pcgamer.co.uk,) but there's nothing there

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[EuroSan]

http://www.pcgamer.co.uk/

the small (,) made it not work http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif


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[Bohemond]

Well, national bias or not, but what's been stated here about the Teuton Knights has little historic backing. I don't particularly care , but I read my share of books about them, and there was nothing stated of the sort. I want to remind everyone that there is a lot of nonsense floating around about the Crusades, like Templar-Baphomet-Freemasons stuff and other rubbish.
Btw, everyone committed atrocities during the time, whole cities populations were slaughtered just because nobody knew what to do with them and they couldn't pay a ransom.

[borisus]

The Crusaders are coming the Crusaders are coming!

better get my Sword and Armor ready.

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[neosbrother]

i c that hatamoto isn't scanning fast enough for u people (i'm waiting to)

i'm on my way out just now for a game of footy(soccer) so i wil try and get that issue of pcgamer today.

don't count on me though i have to try and make time

[jskirwin@yahoo.com]

Would one of you English guys puhleeze scan the article/confirm the PCGamer rumor?



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[Dark Phoenix]

Well that would be illeagl to publish it before PC Gamer did.

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I am no hero I just like to hit people in the head. :p

[celtiberoijontychi]

It's official; take a look at the official news site. Ritchie Skinner confirms the new game will be called "Crusader Total War". They will release a Website for the new game "soon".

[ket222]

don't need to scan article what did the article say, when complete, castle seiges, etc? i think the castle seiges in shogun are very weak and small scale will they really change it to reflect large castle medieval seiges?
also dammit why the hell don't they give us whatever code we need to make mods for different wars and cultures??thiis community would really take off like combat mission

[Roman Totale XVII]

I happen to know Crusaders Total War will include bombers armed with the The Holy Hand-Grenade of Antioch and the Knights Who Say NIIIHHH!!! Robin Hood and His Merry Men can make surprise attacks from woods. The Saracen forces will of course be balanced by having ninja-type clandestine forces in the form of Ali Barba and His Forty Thieves and naval forces under Sinbad the Sailor.

I know for certain the historical consultant has already endorsed these troop types as totally accurate and besides which they add 'balance and variety'. It also continues in the fine tradition of S:TW and its expansion...

[Kraellin]

well, well, well.

amazing how the mongrel hoardes of the forum go from flames to fames :) nice to see some high interest posts in here after months of flames. man, you folks are fickle ;)

i'll remind ya all of this in a few months when things are lagging again and the flames are rising.

ya, i know...go bite myself.

frankly, i was hoping for Caveman: Total War, but oh well. i'll just keep my sabretooth tiger under wraps for now.

good lord, i'm going to have to listen to the historians debate sarucens and muslims and byzantines and yadda, yadda, yadda, for another half year :P CA, you shld have just kept quiet!

lol,

K.

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[DarthGuru]

hmm,
I've been looking on the link that was given for the crusaders info. But I wasn't able to find anything on it. Please help me!

[BakaGaijin]

I personally find it very funny that everyone is surprised that the Romans weren't chosen. It's not like CA ever said, "By the way, the sequel is gonna be about the Romans." or anything. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

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[Erado San]

Baka,

Before Shogun was released there was already official news on a Roman Total War version to be the successor of Shogun. Haven't got a clue how serious that was and whatever changed their minds.

For one thing, I think that the Crusades offer more potential for major differences from Shogun, where with Romans I have the feeling there wasn't so much room for innovations. Roman warfare doesn't appear to me as being way different from Japanese warfare. Plus, there weren't really so many telling fractions in the Roman Era. I mean... you had Romans and you had the rest of the world. It isn't as if you could start a campaign as the Belgae and hope to be the major dominating force after a century or so... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Anssi Hakkinen]

DarthGuru-san:

The Community Site (http://www.totalwar.com/community/index.htm)

The official EA press release at Blue's News (http://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/blammo.pl?mode=archive&oneday=true&topic=everything&format=main&display=20010730&highlight=shogun#27179)

[DarthGuru]

thank you very much http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

As for the topic on Romans vs Crusaders. I too think Crusaders may be a broader theme and will allow much more variety. As crusaders you can represent many nations, and since both sides have won, it wont be so one sided. Since Romans just dominated in their time. Anyways thats just my opinion.

[This message has been edited by DarthGuru (edited 08-03-2001).]

[neosbrother]

sorry people i tried 2 shops yesterday and then an EB store today and not one of them has a copy of pc gamer.

i did try. (unlike some people)

[Magyar Khan]

yep darth is right, more nations means it appeals to more fans which brings more money...

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[HATAMOTOKILL]

i also looked http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/rolleyes.gifbut also with no luck!! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/redface.gif
is the mag out or what?
anybody seen our kid????????
hato where are yooooooohhhhhh...... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

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genie of the lands!!!
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[BakaGaijin]

Now that we know about TW2, how about taking bets on TW3? I say that the third game will be Total War: Mongols. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

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[Anssi Hakkinen]

I deleted two of Hato-san's triple posts - I believe that sets a record... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif

Also, the devs probably don't have an idea what TW3 will be yet, either, so the safest bet would be to assume Romans and be on our way. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[HATAMOTOKILL]

Anssi,yes sorry about that,dont know what went wrong???????? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[DarthGuru]

As I look at the different desc of the game, it reminds me more and more of the Age of Empire series (which I think was not bad) but hopefully the TW series will be able to make it much better. Anyways I'm still excited about it, too bad its gonna be a long time before it comes out...

[Alastair]

DarthGuru, it most definitely depends on how you define "their time." If you define it as the Pax Romana, then most definitely, they did dominate. But Rome was on the stage as a military and political power for 1000 years. The Pax Romana lasted 180 years. For the last few hundred years, they had to deal with barbarians, inflation, and continual assassination of emperors. For the first half-century, Rome was on the rise. That means it had worthy opponents (Carthage, Parthia, Gaul, Spain, Greece, Persia). It's not like the whole time Rome was a power it dominated. It started as a puny little uncultured runt of a city-state.

[Fatboy]

Will PC Gamer ever update their website???
The last time the news page was updated was in June!!! Have they moved to a new URL?

[EuroSan]

http://www.pcgamer.co.uk/
That one is updated http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif

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[Fatboy]

It doesn't look like its been updated since 2nd August to me!

[HATAMOTOKILL]

To busy writing thread on Crusaders i think! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif

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[DarthGuru]

Alstair: I know that to be true, and of course rome had great enemies to conquer. Yet it would seem hard to base a game over such a long period of time, would it not? The best time period i could think of would be the wars with carthage. But Romans were still dominant even during that time. I think the greek city states would be a better time period for the TW series.

[ShadesWolf]

I am so excited about this

We will have approx 10 nations to choose from, not just the two in Mongols,

Each with there own stile of play etc

I cant Wait

[DarthGuru]

yea too bad.. the WAIT part is gonna be hella long...

[Lord Cardigan]

I think that the background of crusaders will prove far move interesting than that of Rome. There are a number of thing to consider here. For one the Romans fought in a time when armies didnt really employ millitary tactics as such and generally just just massed in to a crowd and charged the enemy. This is why the Romans were able to be so succesful by employing what were in actual fact simplistic formations and tactics. Thus a historically acurate Roman game would have little scope for advanced tactics such as those you were able to employ in Shogun as if you were just fighting hordes of barbarians all the time you wouldnt need very advanced tactics to beat them. Also a Roman game would have little scope for units. The Romans only had a few troup types Legionaries, Auxilary infantry, and in latter stages archers and some limited cavalry types. This hardly compares to the supposed 60 unit types that will appear in Crusader. And more importantly this game will allow us Brits to fight it out against the French!! and vice versa. Shame it didnt go up to the American civil war though some American butt kicking would also be fun LOL!!!

[clink]

Crusaders definatly sounds as if its going to be jam packed with a lot of goodies.

And its true that Romans are pretty basic in the variaty of units, but they had a large variaty of enemies as well.

I'm however hopefully looking further beyond what may be added to the TW engine in the future, if possible. Like setting up your defencive possition with various obstacles and surprises. I think there was much more to warfare than manuvering bodies of armies into position and attacking.

Just off the top of my head, this was done I'm sure,not because I seen it it a movie,preparing parts of the field,with oil or what ever, in front of your defending troops, to light when you see fit....
Whoes laughing? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/redface.gif


Could the programers do this? possible. But it would definatly make things a whole lot more interesting. Endless options and posibilities.

[monkeydan]

I know that many people have replied to the idea of having a Roman-based total war with the criticism that the Romans would not need to utilize tactics because of their poor-quality opposition. However, if you take a closer look at the history of Rome's conquests (not that I am an expert), you will see that many types of tactics were necessary to defeat the "barbarians" (and nationalities such as the Gauls, Carthaginians, etc.). In fact, I think that guiding a Roman army against the many and varied types of opponents would require MORE tactical savvy than in many other time periods. The player would have to have an actual feel for the tactical battlefield as they would be forced to respond to different types of attacks and tactics on the part of the opposition. In short, a Roman campaign would actually contain a series of interesting tactical problems.

That being said, I have no problem with the Crusader period as the basis for the next TW. Lots of interesting units, nations, and battles to recreate.

Maybe CA could make everyone happy and release a Roman X-pack soon after Crusaders...in my dreams http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

[Lord Cardigan]

Yes but the Romans still employed relativley simple tactics i read an example of a battle in Britatin where twelve thousand Roman soldiers faced up against thirty thousand brits who were also in a better battlefield position camped up on high ground. In the end the Romans just used their auxillary tropps to charge the enemy keeping the legionaries back in case they were needed (they werent) any way the disorganised Brits simply charged down in a crowd at the auxilarys and were slaughtered and quickly routed the Romans then made use of their Heavy cavalry to route the remaining Britons (and their war chariots) My point is that this is a prime example of the tactics employed by the vast majority of Romes enemys with the exception of some such as the Carthiginians. Anyway forget a Roman Game what about Alexander the Great:Total War. This would be a great backdrop with a much wider variety of enemys and even gasp an interesting plot!!! From what i gather Alexander also used very complex strategys as he was often hoplesly outnumbered. A American war of independence game would also be good so that the horrors of the historicaly inacurate "Patriot" could be avenged!!

[clink]

Regardless...I think CA is going to come out with some thing on Rome anyway. The Total War collection just wouldn't seem complete with out one of the largest empires known to mankind....prayin I'm right.

Roman warfare was much more interesting than a lot of peaple are giving them credit for.
Besides, American civil war or Napoleonic type war would tend to get a little mundain after a while, watching colums of troops plug away at each other with musket fire.(try custom muskets only in Shogun). That my personal.

So if the Gods of Jupitar and Mars are listining...Please CA, make a Roman Total War.

[Lord Cardigan]

If you want a Roman Game then go play the excellent Caesar . Has to be one of the best strategy games ever. As for this Roman vs Crusader thing perhaps creative assembly didnt make one because coming out early next year is pyros Pracreators. Have a look at that if its Romans you want it looks similar to Total war in terms of graphics and tactics. Looks quite good actually but doesnt have the strategy map aspect....... Still think Crusaders is a better choice though theres just so much going on at that time everyone whos seen El Cid will know what i mean, and i still think that a Roman theme wouldnt suit Total War. Perhaps if you got Caesar 3 and total war and mixed them together you would have the ultimate strategy game.

[clink]

Don't get me wrong L.C.,I'm not at all upset that they chose Crusaders over Roman.
As a matter of fact I'm very much exited simply because I don't really know what to expect ,cause I'm not to knowlegable for that time period, as I am with Roman.

I disagree though that Roman can't be done on the Shogun engine. CA could probably expand its capabilities.

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