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Sir Kuma of The Org
12-01-2001, 22:59
Seems that we will have 12 playable factions but they only name the English, German, Byzantine, French and Turkish Empires.

Did anyone read what the other 7 factions will be? Any educated guesses?

Dark Phoenix
12-01-2001, 23:14
I would think the Russians, the Spanish, the Scots or Highlanders whatever they were called in a shot. Who would be out of Africa, The Egyptians (probably wrong), the Papal State, the Austraians or is that the Germans. Well that is enough speculation from me.

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Nelson
12-01-2001, 23:23
Castile should be involved. The Swiss too. Maybe Gascony and the Papacy. Lots of Italians could be included; Florence, Milan, Naples, Venice.

Since none of the principle European states we know today were assembled as such the possibilities are wide open.

Dark Phoenix
12-01-2001, 23:29
The Mongols are in as well I think I read in that article, could be wrong it is late here.

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Khan7
12-02-2001, 02:30
There are various Muslim factions which I don't doubt will get in, including the Egyptians.

Matt

Catiline
12-02-2001, 02:35
Well Germany and Italy seem prime candidates for plenty of smaller states or Ronin type provinces. hopefully there'll be some Moors in Southern Spain, and in North Africa DP and there's plenty of options among the Spanish themselves. Some Northern crusading orders, hunting htose barbarian Lithuanians.

i'd quite like to see the Mongols as an event rather than a faction.Seems a bit more historical to me.

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Catiline
12-02-2001, 02:39
Oh, and Prester John http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

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nokhor
12-02-2001, 19:00
i think i saw a viking longboat in one of the screenshots

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Whitey
12-02-2001, 19:48
My guess for all the nations...

Mamelukes
Ottomans
English
HRE
Byzantine
French
Castille
Turks
Polish
Mongols
Teutonic Order

maybe the 12th will be Lithuania, Muscovy, Danes, Portugal, Aragon, Granada, the Papacy, Burgandy, etc...etc...etc...so many factions - I hope they manage it ok, I really do...

solypsist
12-02-2001, 23:08
the french will be broken into two sections (i can't recall which, but i do remember one of them being the bourbons, i think)....

Catiline
12-02-2001, 23:31
Valois

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Catiline
12-02-2001, 23:31
At a guess anyway. They don't cover hte start of the period tho'

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Bohemond
12-03-2001, 01:10
The Arabs should be:
Almohades (Spain, Granada, North West Africa)
Fatimides (Egypt Kalifs)
Seldchuk Turks

Anssi Hakkinen
12-03-2001, 02:49
Russian principalities are definitely in. Maybe they'll roll Kiev and Moscow into one.

Shiro
12-03-2001, 04:04
It's interesting because many of these countries like "France" and "England" were really just run by big families like the Valois. National identity didn't come until later.

KumaRatta Yamamoto
12-03-2001, 04:52
Russians and Mongols seem to be included in historical campaigns. Maybe they will be 2 of the playable factions in the open ended campaign?

celtiberoijontychi
12-03-2001, 11:01
Christian Spain should include at least

Castille (Nothern and central Spain)
Aragon (Eastern Spain, Balearic Islands; later Sardinia, Sicily and Napoli)
Portugal (Western iberic peninsula)

I don't think they will exclude portugal, it would be politically incorrect, same with Aragon (today identified witch Catalonia region).

It's funny how in "Europa Universalis" they have fictional states like "Basque Country" and "Catalonia" wich didn't exist at that time as states or even as nations ... but today they do!

Arab spain should include several kingdoms, though at 1000 AD there was still a unified muslim state that comprised around 80% of the iberic peninsula (present-day Portugal+Spain)

Khan7
12-03-2001, 12:56
Of course we all have to realize that they ARE limited to twelve, so they DO have to prioritize.. over-detail in this case isn't an option..

Matt

Dark Phoenix
12-03-2001, 20:45
Well I think they will group some factiosn together under there modern day countries, otherwise there would be too many.

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LordTed
12-04-2001, 01:08
Nice icon Sir kuma, it seems things are moving on now.

Chaguhun Khan
12-04-2001, 04:34
As long as Mongols are in as one of the main groups, I don't care if they put in Barney as the King of England. Although I would like to try the Hungurians(the decendants of Attila).

Chaguhun

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Sir Kuma of The Org
12-04-2001, 05:06
Barney the purple dinosaur? lol

How about the teletubbies then as Ewok type Knights?

Thanks LordTed, Anssi did all the work!

WarlordJacquesMolay
12-04-2001, 07:07
Gentlemen,

i think that you are forgetting about some of the most influential and powerfull factions, both in the middle east and in the christians monarchies in 1100 AD.
The monastic orders were the spearhead of the christan forces on the battlefields in the holy land and they also were the 'intellectual' society of that time,the very ideal of the crusades were kept alive both with the written words(see St.Bernard letters) and with the living actions on the field of those gallant knights.

Non In Nomis Nobis...

Bohemond
12-04-2001, 17:52
From what i've seen so far, the clans correspond with the most important, real nations, which is of course nor correct, but maybe the best everybody can agree on.
I've seen mentions of: England, France, The Germans, Austria, Hungary, Byzantinum
IMO there is room to speculate about: Poland, Russia, The German Order, The Turks, The Mongols, The Egyptians, Granada, Spain

Jacques Molay (the leader of the heretic Knights of the Temple) raises a very good question about the Military Orders. We should not forget that they were important States at the time, being the Knights of St.John of Cyprus, later Malta, the Templars in the Holy Land and Rhodos, and the vast State of the German Order in the Baltic.

Klen Sakurai
12-04-2001, 18:19
welll.. it's a game.. and all this hoopla about which nations to include is always going to be moot. especially about the inclusion of Germans.. forgive my ignorance, but wouldn't they be called either the Holy Roman Empire or I dunno.. Prussians depending on the time period? Was there such thing as a "German" state back then?

about military orders, templars, and things, I think they might just be "ronin" type thingies in most cases or simply included as part of a bigger empire. maybe they'll improve upon the ronin/rebel engine a little... I remember being excited that each of the ronin provinces had their own banner and slight different shades of color when I first started up Mongol Invasion, but it really didn't make a difference in game play, at all. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif

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Dark Phoenix
12-04-2001, 20:52
I believe the Gremans were the Prussians.

BTW I dont think whatever Malta was back then should be in coz Tera would never shut up about them. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif



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Catiline
12-04-2001, 21:48
for what it's worth germany was nominally the Holy Roman Empire, with hte Emperor having varying amounts of control over his territories. Basically there were about 300 states in what is now Germany, and that is not an exaggeration. THe HRE was elected by a mixture of Princes counts and Bishops which was a recipe for political mayhem. He didn't have tro come from anywhere in particular, hence there was at least one English HRE. The 300 states were terribly fond of guarding their own indepednence, a tendency which increased rather than decreased and resulted in massive problems from the C14th onwards as religion got involved. The Prussians were not terribly advanced or powerful at this stage.

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Klen Sakurai
12-04-2001, 22:02
thank you for the info Cat, it's always nice to have forum ops who can double as encyclopedias. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Catiline
12-04-2001, 23:03
Thought of another v. important political if not military entity, the Hanseatic league.

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clink
12-04-2001, 23:27
Quote Originally posted by Catiline:
for what it's worth germany was nominally the Holy Roman Empire, with hte Emperor having varying amounts of control over his territories. Basically there were about 300 states in what is now Germany, and that is not an exaggeration. THe HRE was elected by a mixture of Princes counts and Bishops which was a recipe for political mayhem. He didn't have tro come from anywhere in particular, hence there was at least one English HRE. The 300 states were terribly fond of guarding their own indepednence, a tendency which increased rather than decreased and resulted in massive problems from the C14th onwards as religion got involved. The Prussians were not terribly advanced or powerful at this stage.

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Vanya
12-05-2001, 01:49
Hmmm... can you build Hessian cavalry? If so, perhaps they would have a special unit, akin to Lionheard, Joan of Arc, etc: the headless horseman! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/eek.gif [Drools]

celtiberoijontychi
12-06-2001, 01:33
Quote Originally posted by Klen Sakurai:
Was there such thing as a "German" state back then?[/QUOTE]

Back then there wasn't such thing as a state at all!!

If there will be only 12 playable factions, well, then the others may be "minor clan" ronins as in WE/MI.

Example:
Spain:
Castille (playable)
Aragon, Portugal, minor arab kingdoms (ronin)

AS for Germany and knight orders, one of the factions is supposed to be the "German Order" or Teutonic Knights, another is believed to be the "German Empire". The latter wasn't much more than a loose confederation of kingdoms and principalities - but AFK the other states weren't much more organized at the time.

Ijon

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Vanya
12-06-2001, 03:20
Italy? Venice? What was in the Balkans at the time? Byzantines for sure. I don't think there will be enough land for the Scots and Irish, so they will likely be ronins... Sweden?

Gotta have Seljuk Turks and Egyptians... Moors?

clink
12-06-2001, 05:28
I'm no history buff on the subject,but I think most of Europe was brocken up into many factions at the time,land Barons,owners exc.If came together for a cause,it usually came at a price.Am I wrong?

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Sir Kuma of The Org
12-06-2001, 11:45
In an interview at gamespot with Creative Assembly's Michael de Plater, Total War's creative director. The Picture gets clearer concerning the playable factions...

1.England
2.The Holy Roman Empire
3.France
4.The Byzantine Empire
5.Poland,
6.Spain,
7.The Almohad Empire (what ever that is-enlighten me please)
8.Turkey


So eight down and four to go....Oh and here is the link:
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/previews/0,10869,2830212,00.html

Dark Phoenix
12-06-2001, 11:48
He also mentioned the Mongols, Tuetonic Knights, the Russian princes maybe some more.

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Funkybax
12-06-2001, 15:53
I believe the Gremans were the Prussians.
BTW I dont think whatever Malta was back then should be in coz Tera would never shut up about them.

At the time the Prussians were a Slav and pagan population that were extermined by Teutonic Order in the East near Konigsberg in a Northern Europe crusade.
The German colonists took the name of the dead people.

12-08-2001, 05:26
Quote Originally posted by Dark Phoenix:
I believe the Gremans were the Prussians.

BTW I dont think whatever Malta was back then should be in coz Tera would never shut up about them. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
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If Malta is not in, I will not buy the game.
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BakaGaijin
12-08-2001, 07:17
Malta should at least be a "ronin" province in the game. It's at the center of the Mediterranean! The most important island in the whole bloody thing! If the British hadn't controlled Malta, the Germans might have beat them in North Africa in WWII!

Portugal should also be in. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif They'll definitely have at least an unaffiliated province. That's for sure. (If not, some heads will be rolling at CA. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif) I'd love to see them as a playable faction. Sure, they stayed out of continental politics for the most part, preferring to silently colonise and rake in the dough that way, but they had enough money so they they COULD have been a force if they really wanted to. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif Okay, I'm just making stuff up. Ronin, help! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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12-08-2001, 19:15
You made me smile again Gaijin! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

Tera http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

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Dark Phoenix
12-08-2001, 19:58
DOWN WITH MALTA http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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12-08-2001, 22:22
Since at those times Australia wasn't even discovered yet by Europeans, you don't really have much to rejoice Phoenix. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

Tera

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ShadesWolf
12-08-2001, 22:59
I've created a web page on Islamic Almohads, please take a look :
http://www.geocities.com/ihusselbee/crusader/3.htm

12-09-2001, 02:12
Another words for these Almohads is Moors, I believe...

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Sir Kuma of The Org
12-09-2001, 08:23
Hey Thanks for the info Shade Wolf, you have contributed to expanding my knowledge http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

Dark Phoenix
12-09-2001, 09:23
So the Aboriginals were still here. Who cares about the Euros. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif

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12-09-2001, 18:55
In the same way...who cares about the Australians? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

Australia: Total War - lol imagine that http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif

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Dark Phoenix
12-09-2001, 21:58
Yeah you could be the brits going around slaughtering Aboriginals when you feel like it then look to cover it up. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Choco
12-11-2001, 09:03
Ha ... that would be:

Australia: Total Beer

ShadesWolf
12-13-2001, 02:56
British Prisoners please

Catiline
12-13-2001, 03:21
What happened to that Zulu game, I seem to remember we were going to get to slaughter natives in that, for their own good of course.

Sir Kuma of The Org
12-13-2001, 04:38
I think it was cancelled

12-13-2001, 05:55
Just a little more spam and youre on 1k ! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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NARF
12-13-2001, 06:54
so, pretty much the same as AOE II?