Different Units

[NARF]

Nicks guessing a couple footmen (halberds, swords, pikes), mounted cavalry (both heavy and light) Longbowmen, MAYBE a few cannons but then again, I dont know

[Murmandamus]

We may start with trebuchet and mangonels and finish with cannons. They were first used around the early 1300's according to this link http://scholar.chem.nyu.edu/~tekpages/cannon.html

I've found a page with heaps of links to info about this period http://www.msu.edu/~georgem1/history/medieval.htm

[This message has been edited by Murmandamus (edited 12-13-2001).]

[Nelson]

Early arquebusiers could also make an appearance in the 15th century. And of course crossbows. Any artillery should be virtually immobile and very slow firing. Peasant levies are a must. Some troops should have shields and others not. Along with all the bills, axes, swords, pikes, maces, etc., there is room for a lot of variety. It would be nice though if all of the units didn't need to be so homogeneous regarding weapons.

[celtiberoijontychi]

I know in the siege of Granada, 1492, primitive cannons ("bombarda") where used, wich shot big balls of stone. Very primitive arquebus was used, too.

[Catiline]

I may well be completely mistaken, but in hte back of my mind there are refs to gunpowder at Agincourt.

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[theforce]

A special unit l guess would be "liquid fire" aka "igro pir" for the Byzantins. "igro pir" was discovered by Kalinikos and it was mixture that produced fire. It saved the city a lot of times. Also there were towers on ships where they put it allowing ships to throw fire as a stream!!!
I guess it was painful :P

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[Nelson]

Saladin had flaming naptha hurlers on occasion.

[theforce]

1000 post on mediever forum posted by me http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Anyway the "igro pir" was something like a flamethrower mate. Offcourse it was not portable and it did major damage. At the end of the Byzantine empire the Turks had a shitload of men sourrounding the city. The defender were only 10000. Five thousand were the army of the city and 5000 were mercinaries. Well a bit history lesson, too.
Costantinoupoli (Istabul today) had some mighty walls. Turks had a new cannon that could blast the walls away from a range of six Km. For that time it was a long distance. Moameth the second destroyed a part of the walls before the attacks on the city.
There was a misunderstanding among the mercinaries and they pulled pack. Leaving a small city gate open for the Turks to get in. Constantinos Paleologos faught until the end but no body was found(There was a myth that an angel took him and hide him in a cave and he will revive again to free the city!)
Anyway my point is that we can have some very epic battles in the game http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

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[Shiro]

Quote Originally posted by Catiline:
I may well be completely mistaken, but in hte back of my mind there are refs to gunpowder at Agincourt.

[/QUOTE]

Correct. There are also "refs" to cannon at Crecy though that is disputed. + if they were there, they had minimal effect besides scaring some of the horses.

[NARF]

and I forgot camel units. Well what about some special units unique to each country?

[Grifman]

Beyond just cannon, there were primitive arquebusiers/guns at Constantinople in 1453, and they were used in the English Wars of the Roses also.

But more specifically, some guesses at units:

Knights (Heavy cavalry) (Western Europe)
Light cavalry (Turks, Mongols, Arabs)
Horse Archers (Turks, Mongols, Arabs)
Janissairies (Turks)
Men-at-arms (Medium Infantry) (Western Europe)
Seige Engineers (all)
Seige Artillery (all)
Long Bowmen (English)
Crossbowman (all)
Cataphracts (Byzantines)
Peasant Conscripts (all)
Foot archers (all)
Dismounted Knights (Heavy Infantry - Western Europe)
Pikemen (Western Europe/Byzantines)
Handcannoniers (Western Europe)

That's a start. Of course you could follow S:TW and distinguish between weapons types:

Macemen
Longswordsmen (like Nodiachi, no shield, two handed sword)
Etc.

Grifman

[Murmandamus]

Quote Originally posted by Catiline:
I may well be completely mistaken, but in hte back of my mind there are refs to gunpowder at Agincourt.

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I found a site here (http://www.aginc.net/battle/ops.html) that describes the battle here is an excerpt:

"The French had two very dense lines of armored foot soldiers with crossbowmen and bombards between. Mounted knights guarded the flanks and formed a reserve in the rear. d'Albret's plan was to use the bombards to cut the English lines into smaller sections that could be handled individually. Unfortunately, everybody (including d'Albret!) wanted to be in the front line. It got so dense that the bombards couldn't be fired, as they would hit more French than English. They actually were fired once, to no effect."

Is this (http://www.aginc.net/battle/agincourt.jpg) the English equivalent of a battle scroll?