New Mini Mafia

[pevergreen]

Stock Roles and rules.

no PM's to townies.

12 people needed.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

/in

[sapi]

oh whatever

[Warluster]

in!

[Warmaster Horus]

Count me in!

[seireikhaan]

I'm in

[Csargo]

:soapbox:

[Stig]

Same as Ichigo

and:
Vote: Sasaki

[Caius]

/in

[TevashSzat]

in I guess

[Killfr3nzy]

Bah I'm in.

[CountArach]

In... I think there is still space.

[ByzantineKnight]

In if there is space...

[CountArach]

I think that's 12!

[Csargo]

I think that's 12!

:soapbox:

[pevergreen]

Roles going out now

[pevergreen]

Roles Out.

Day 1 Now.

Alive:
Ichigo
Sasaki
sapi
Warluster
Warmaster Horus
Stig
CountArach
greaterkhaan
Caius
Killfr3nzy
Xdeathfire
BZK

Lynched:

Killed:

Wogged:

[ByzantineKnight]

:soapbox:

You really like that smiley, dont you

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:ByzantineKnight

[ByzantineKnight]

Vote:ByzantineKnight

Do you want me to say something?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

No.

[ByzantineKnight]

No.

Then why did you vote me? Are you scum?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Do you want me to say something?

[Killfr3nzy]

And so it begins.....Vote:Stig for lurking. ;p

Note: ^An actual vote; talk and you're Unvoted; s'not like we have a lot to go on right now anyway.

[ByzantineKnight]

Do you want me to say something?

No, i'm just trying to talk :laugh4:

[sapi]

Vote: Sasaki

Because I can :grin2:

[Stig]

And so it begins.....Vote:Stig for lurking. ;p
So you vote me first, and then you say that I have to talk even tho we have nothing to talk about?
I know something to talk about, you maybe, because your reason for voting me is even worse then Sasaki's reason to vote BK or Sapi's reason to vote Sasaki

[Warmaster Horus]

He did unvote at 11h46.

[Stig]

No, only if I would talk ... so his vote is worth nothing anyway, and he still makes it, why bother in that case. Just do like this if you don't want to vote anyone:
Vote: Abstain
or:
Vote: No lynch

[Killfr3nzy]

Or, you could vote someone without votes, so you're promoting discussion without bandwagoning. Granted, there isn't anything to discuss, but it did get you talking right?
Neways, to my end of the deal; Unvote:Stig.

[Stig]

but it did get you talking right?
No as I didn't say anything that can be of use ... apart from the fact that you made yourself suspicious to me

[Killfr3nzy]

No, but it does perhaps mean that later on my/your posts can be analysed (Note to Self: Ninja Holmes from Kommo) to try and see if we're guilty.
'Sides, it's the first voting round and there hasn't even beena murder to try and get inspiration from. Imo, at any rate.

[pevergreen]

Note to thread:

Abstains are counted as No lynches
and
Ninja is Killfr3nzy's language means steal.

[Stig]

how many no lynch's till a WoG?

Vote: Ichigo, because he hasn't voted Sasaki as first

NOW THAT IS SUSPICIOUS

[pevergreen]

WoG will be when i feel like it, either in rounds or days. It depends on my mood.

[seireikhaan]

Vote: No Vote. We simply don't have anything good to go on yet, why lynch an innocent towny?

[Warmaster Horus]

Vote: No lynch.
Greaterkhaan's right. Why kill someone who would be able to help us? However, in the argument of lynching, we've got one chance in six of killing a Mafia (assuming there are 2 mafiosi).

[TevashSzat]

Vote: No lynch

Nothing has happened yet, there is nothing that we could really use to lynch someone

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh not the no lynch argument again. It's just a bad idea. We should really put it in the glossary.

[Csargo]

how many no lynch's till a WoG?

Vote: Ichigo, because he hasn't voted Sasaki as first

NOW THAT IS SUSPICIOUS

:soapbox: If you cared to check I haven't been online until just now. Vote:Sasaki cause he's obviously guilty. :soapbox:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote,vote:Ichigo

caving into pressure and using that ridiculous smiley.

[Csargo]

unvote,vote:Ichigo

caving into pressure and using that ridiculous smiley.

:soapbox: See what I mean. You say ridiculous I say awesomilous.

[sapi]

Unvote; Vote: Ichigo

I hate that smiley too :beam:

[TevashSzat]

Hmm...Unvote, Vote: sapi for bandwagoning

[CountArach]

Unvote; Vote: Ichigo

I hate that smiley too :beam:

Vote: Sapi

This was a pure and blatant bandwagon.

pever - How long are the day phases?

[Csargo]

Unvote; Vote: Ichigo

I hate that smiley too :beam:

If you hate the smiley then that means you hate me, which breaks a rule I think. BAN BAN BAN BAN!!:soapbox:

[pevergreen]

I think this can be timeless.

With 12 alive its 7 to lynch!

[CountArach]

Timeless - so no limit?

If so, then Unvote

[pevergreen]

Timeless - so no limit?

If so, then Unvote
:yes: As soon as someone reaches the required number of votes, they are lynched.

In this game, you normally reveal when you are one or two votes away from lynching. (Thats my personal experience from these games)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Unvote,Vote:Warmaster Horus

I know from comments he's made that he's read the previous games, so he should know better then to vote for no lynch.

[CountArach]

Well time is on our side. We can always reveal if we have to. Is PM quoting allowed?


Greaterkhaan's right. Why kill someone who would be able to help us? However, in the argument of lynching, we've got one chance in six of killing a Mafia (assuming there are 2 mafiosi).

This is a stupid argument. We don't know how many kills there will be each night (Though perhaps you do). As you said, if there are two mafia, we have a 1 in 6 chance of lynching them. So why don't we?

Vote: Warmaster

[TevashSzat]

I think this can be timeless.

With 12 alive its 7 to lynch!

Its gonna be pretty hard to have 7 people vote for the same person when nothing has been done yet with no one really incriminated yet.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Its gonna be pretty hard to have 7 people vote for the same person when nothing has been done yet with no one really incriminated yet.

It just takes time and bandwagoning. I suggest we stop discouraging bandwagonning in this game. It isn't dangerous because there is no deadline. Instead, let's be really careful about putting on the 6th or 7th votes. Those are the dangerous votes, unlike in other games where people are lynched with 2 or 3 votes so that bandwagoning is a very real concern.

[TevashSzat]

It just takes time and bandwagoning. I suggest we stop discouraging bandwagonning in this game. It isn't dangerous because there is no deadline. Instead, let's be really careful about putting on the 6th or 7th votes. Those are the dangerous votes, unlike in other games where people are lynched with 2 or 3 votes so that bandwagoning is a very real concern.

Hmm so I guess I'll bandwagon and Unvote, vote: Warmaster

[Warmaster Horus]

Though perhaps you do

How would a townie know that? It seems to me that in most mafias there are 2 mafiosi.

Also, I'm sorry to say that by thinking it through, you're right. A lynch does make sense. I've been playing this like a long-term Mafia. :oops:

SK, I read mostly about the long mafias. In which I believe it's more usefull NOT to lynch at the beginning.

So, Unvote.

BTW, SK, why me? Why not greaterkhaan or Xdeathfire? I seem to recall that the latter played in more mafias than me...

[CountArach]

Hmmm, just because it is early play, doesn't mean we should pile heaps of votes on at page 2.

Unvote: Warmaster

[Sasaki Kojiro]

How would a townie know that? It seems to me that in most mafias there are 2 mafiosi.

Also, I'm sorry to say that by thinking it through, you're right. A lynch does make sense. I've been playing this like a long-term Mafia. :oops:

SK, I read mostly about the long mafias. In which I believe it's more usefull NOT to lynch at the beginning.

So, Unvote.

BTW, SK, why me? Why not greaterkhaan or Xdeathfire? I seem to recall that the latter played in more mafias than me...

I picked you because I specifically remember you referencing past games. In the large games it is also advantageous to lynch.

[ByzantineKnight]

Vote: Xdeathfire

Reason: jumping onto every bandwagon possable, are you hiding something?

[sapi]

Unvote; Vote: Xdeathfire

For bandwagoning.

And I'm not a hypocrite :grin2:

[pevergreen]

Someone please do a votecount. within the next 11 hours.

[TevashSzat]

I did not bandwagon at every time. I voted no lynch at first merely because I did not know that there wasn't a time limit and that we needed a majority of the people to lynch. I bandwagoned with warmaster since Sasaki said that bandwagoning was actually encouraged except for the last two votes.

Think of it, if we call bandwagoning at everyone who is a second voter, how are we gonna get the majority of the voters?

Since you guys are accusing me of bandwagoning, I'll Unvote, Vote:sapi again for bandwagoning and being a hypocrite

[ByzantineKnight]

I bandwagoned with warmaster since Sasaki said that bandwagoning was actually encouraged except for the last two votes.

Havn't you been playing long enough to know not to trust Sasaki?? (unless he tells us to lynch someone)

[TevashSzat]

But Sasaki was telling us to lynch Warmaster so we according to you should have all voted and lynched him.

[Stig]

Playing mafia rule #1:
Never trust Sasaki

[Warmaster Horus]

Vote count, because pever requested it:

sapi: 1 (Xdeathfire)
Xdeathfire: 2 (sapi, Byzantineknight)
WH: 1 (Sasaki)
Sasaki: 1 (Ichigo)
No lynch: 1 (greaterkhaan)
Ichigo: 1 (Stig)

Although I think this list is incorrect. Please check.

[ByzantineKnight]

But Sasaki was telling us to lynch Warmaster so we according to you should have all voted and lynched him.

Usually he has good hunches, while he has a valid point, I think that you are a better lynch candidate.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:Xdeathfire

Don't put the blame on me. Are you saying you voted Warmaster not because you agreed with my logic on bandwagoning but because you thought the fact that I was encouraging it meant you could get away with it?

fos:sapi be serious.

btw we do need to bandwagon my previous post was correct.

[Csargo]

Unvote:, Vote:khaan

Bah no lynch.

[sapi]

fos:sapi be serious.Sasaki, I really don't like the randomness of the first round - we're bound to get a townie, or at least that's what my past games have shown - so I won't take anything seriously until we have something to go on.

That said, Unvote; Vote: khaan, as a no lynch simply doesn't help (and Xdeathfire doesn't strike me as guilty, just stupid)

[Stig]

Sasaki, I really don't like the randomness of the first round - we're bound to get a townie, or at least that's what my past games have shown - so I won't take anything seriously until we have something to go on.
Well we now need 7 votes, so some people will have to bandwagon as otherwise you never get there.

[CountArach]

XDeathFire’s Posts
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1517613&postcount=38

Vote: No lynch

Nothing has happened yet, there is nothing that we could really use to lynch someone

As Sasaki said the post after, No Lynch doesn’t help us. At this point he didn’t know it was going to be timeless, so he can’t use that defence here. I think that he may just be scum trying to not incriminate himself by voting for an innocent.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1518225&postcount=52

Its gonna be pretty hard to have 7 people vote for the same person when nothing has been done yet with no one really incriminated yet.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1518250&postcount=54

Hmm so I guess I'll bandwagon and Unvote, vote: Warmaster

Notice how he simply bandwagons without providing any real hard evidence for why he voted. Everyone up to this point had provided some argument, or had random voted. I know we shouldn’t discourage bandwagonning, but I would prefer a bandwagon with intelligence.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1518638&postcount=61

I did not bandwagon at every time. I voted no lynch at first merely because I did not know that there wasn't a time limit and that we needed a majority of the people to lynch. I bandwagoned with warmaster since Sasaki said that bandwagoning was actually encouraged except for the last two votes.

Think of it, if we call bandwagoning at everyone who is a second voter, how are we gonna get the majority of the voters?

Since you guys are accusing me of bandwagoning, I'll Unvote, Vote:sapi again for bandwagoning and being a hypocrite
Just to refresh everyone’s memory, Sasaki actually said:


It just takes time and bandwagoning. I suggest we stop discouraging bandwagonning in this game. It isn't dangerous because there is no deadline. Instead, let's be really careful about putting on the 6th or 7th votes. Those are the dangerous votes, unlike in other games where people are lynched with 2 or 3 votes so that bandwagoning is a very real concern.

Nowhere does Sasaki say that Bandwagoning is encouraged, he simply says that it is not discouraged. A small point, but still anything can help at this point.

The second point is just re-iterating his earlier posts, though he seems more intent to stick with Sasaki, so FoS: Sasaki if XDeathFire turns out to be scum.

And the vote… I just can’t understand this. He votes for Sapi for bandwagoning and Hypocrisy. Wait, hang on. Didn’t he just encourage bandwagoning? This in itself is hypocrisy!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1518647&postcount=63

But Sasaki was telling us to lynch Warmaster so we according to you should have all voted and lynched him.
This was in response to:

Havn't you been playing long enough to know not to trust Sasaki?? (unless he tells us to lynch someone)

I don’t see the relevance of his points here. He seems to be trying to deflect blame onto someone else. This is a very scummy thing.

So yeah, that is the reason for:

Vote: XDeathFire

[sapi]

Hmmm...

I also find it hard to believe that he would take my vote against him seriously, especially as I made a point of emphasising the joke in the post.

I'd like to hear khann talk, so my vote remains, but I'll be watching x very carefully...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

sapi: 1 (Xdeathfire)
Xdeathfire: 4 (sapi, Byzantineknight,Sasaki,CountArach)
Khaan 2 (Ichigo,Sapi{
No lynch: 1 (greaterkhaan)
Ichigo: 1 (Stig)

Xdeath what do you have to say?

I'd also like everyone's opinion on xdeath (those who haven't given it already).

[Stig]

I'd also like everyone's opinion on xdeath (those who haven't given it already).
Well hard to say, this being day 1.
We haven't even seen the mafia in action yet, this will be a 50% random lynch.

He however does jump on every bandwagon ... I doubt anyone would do that as mafia, that's just too stupid

[sapi]

sapi: 1 (Xdeathfire)
Xdeathfire: 4 (sapi, Byzantineknight,Sasaki,CountArach)
Khaan 1 (Ichigo)
No lynch: 1 (greaterkhaan)
Ichigo: 1 (Stig)

Unvote; Vote: Xdeathfire
You had me on twice; I see that Xdeathfire is by far the best lynch on the little information that we have avaliable.

Khaan is still relitively new and that small bit of conscience inside me is saying to let him live at least another round.

[TevashSzat]

I would like to say that like what Stig has said, I have jumped on bandwagons which is something that most mafia would not do and that is my third mafia game but more like my second since I didn't participate much in the first Capo one. I am a relatively beginner to mafia so it is quite impossible that I am the mafia

[Warmaster Horus]

I am a relatively beginner to mafia so it is quite impossible that I am the mafia

This is one of the most recurring defenses by relative newcomers. It is also rather faulty, because mafia are chosen randomly.
New guys can also be mafiosi. Hence, Xdeathfire might be a mafioso.
So, Vote:Xdeathfire.
Sorry mate. It just happens.

[seireikhaan]

Sasaki, I really don't like the randomness of the first round - we're bound to get a townie, or at least that's what my past games have shown - so I won't take anything seriously until we have something to go on.

That said, Unvote; Vote: khaan, as a no lynch simply doesn't help (and Xdeathfire doesn't strike me as guilty, just stupid)

While not lynching someone might not help us, persay, it ensures we don't hurt ourselves at a point when we don't really have a ton to go on. I'd like to wait until at least one kill before we decide to start lynching people. Oh, and as for Ichigo wanting me dead, he seems to like killing me in mafia games. He's tried killing me off in every game we've both been in.

[Warmaster Horus]

Maybe Ichigo can explain that, but for now you're not the one who needs to defend himself the most.
Xdeathfire has 5 votes, I believe. We only need two more to lynch him.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

He has 6. No one put the last on until he has claimed.

@GreaterKhan: What do you expect to learn from the kill? Lynching is the only way to beat the mafia.

[Warmaster Horus]

He has 6
Sorry, my mistake


No one put the last on until he has claimed.

Until he claimed what?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Well if he claims cop we won't lynch him for example...

[Warmaster Horus]

Uhh... You'd be inclined to believe a desperate guy? You've probably given him an idea there, too...

[Caius]

Vote:Abstain

Let me re read it.Then I will change my vote

[Csargo]

Maybe Ichigo can explain that, but for now you're not the one who needs to defend himself the most.
Xdeathfire has 5 votes, I believe. We only need two more to lynch him.

:soapbox: :inquisitive: :furious3: :bigcry: :thumbsdown: :dizzy2:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Uhh... You'd be inclined to believe a desperate guy? You've probably given him an idea there, too...

That's how this is usually done. It's a method of ensuring we don't lynch power roles. If he claims cop when he's actually mafia he'll either be counterclaimed this round or in the future, or shown to be lying when the real cop is nightkilled (pever usually reveals roles upon death).

[Warmaster Horus]

If he claims cop, and is counterclaimed this turn then the cop is commiting suicide. If the cop claims later, we let a potential mafia off.

[pevergreen]

That's how this is usually done. It's a method of ensuring we don't lynch power roles. If he claims cop when he's actually mafia he'll either be counterclaimed this round or in the future, or shown to be lying when the real cop is nightkilled (pever usually reveals roles upon death).
just for that comment, im going to let xdeathfire be lynched.

Xdeathfire has been lynched.

Congratulations.....someone!
Xdeathfire was mafia.Warmaster Horus was mafia. Sasaki was mafia. Ichigo was mafia. Killfr3nzy was mafia. Caius was mafia. greaterkhaan was mafia. sapi was mafia. CountArach was mafia. Stig was mafia. BZK was mafia.Warluster was mafia.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

^^I'm confused


If he claims cop, and is counterclaimed this turn then the cop is commiting suicide. If the cop claims later, we let a potential mafia off.

uh but then we do lynch him later instead of lynching a possible cop this round. So obviously the best choice for the cop is to not counterclaim right away.

[pevergreen]

:grin2:

Game over. Everyone thought they were the lone mafia.

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: :laugh4::laugh4:

Sorry about that, it was just hilarious. In the new thread, the actual game will start.

[TevashSzat]

See? I was right in that we should have voted for Warmaster

[Sasaki Kojiro]

heh heh, I thought that bandwagon took off quickly.

[CountArach]

lol, that was unusual.

[sapi]

Good joke, now that we know about it :grin2:

[Warluster]

lol, I actually forgot I was mafia.

[Warmaster Horus]

Maybe you should take a break from cleaning Mithrandir's stables pever...

[Caius]

wTF?

I did received a you are a mafioso PM?

I cant believe this!

[CountArach]

As it happens, when I was writing my post against XDeathFire, I was thinking, "Wow, if I knew he weren't mafia, I would think I had caught one right here."

[TevashSzat]

lol, I suspected there was something funny going on, but didn't think pevergreen would have done this