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ok,
so we have a heap of vice and virtues,
some of which just dont seem to fit,
so i am going to "flavour" some of them
anyone wanting to make or offer corrections or ideas is welcome
cheers
B.
first up...
Philanthropist Group (aquired in fort and above)
Publicly Generous –(becomes) - Renga Author – This man has a way with the written word and composes Renga that lifts the spirits of his peasants, be careful he does not ignore his other duties! -5% agricultural output, -5% trade income, +10 happiness.
Compulsively Charitable –(becomes) - Renga Composer – This mans dedication to Renga is beginning to blossom. While he has the talent to inspire those around him, his duties are suffering. -10% agricultural output, -10% trade income, +10 happiness.
Generous To A Fault –(becomes) - Kasen Renga Author – His Kasen renga brings great joy to those around him, but he fails to notice the consequences of neglecting his other duties. -10% agricultural output, -10% trade income, +20 happiness.
Stupidly Charitable –(becomes) - Kasen Renga Composer – The effort he spends writing truly inspiring Kasen renga is now seriously conflicting with his duties to the detriment of the treasury.
-20% agricultural output, -20% trade income, +20 happiness.
Remarkably Generous –(becomes) - Hyakuin Renga Composer – His Hyakuin renga compositions are legendary, but writing them is now a compulsion, and one that allows scant attention to the fiscal reality of governing! -20% agricultural output, -20% trade income, +30 happiness.
This one has six steps, but there are actually threee pairs of steps,
each pair have the same effect, so i will rename them so that it will appear there are Only three steps.
Church Lover Group
Religious Leanings –(becomes) - Chaka Student – The tea ceremony requires years of training and practice . . .
yet the whole of this art, as to its detail, signifies no more than the making and serving of a cup of tea. This man is neglecting his duties. -10% agricultural output, -10% trade income.
Man of Heartfelt Faith –(becomes) - Chaka Student – The tea ceremony requires years of training and practice . . .
yet the whole of this art, as to its detail, signifies no more than the making and serving of a cup of tea. This man is neglecting his duties. -10% agricultural output, -10% trade income.
Deep Religious Urges –(becomes) - Chaka Aikousha - This man has spent a fortune acquiring the “perfect” tokonoma . . . and a “perfect” Chabako . . . in fact his list of excess in pursuit of excellence, merely to serve a cup of tea, is endless. -15% agricultural output, -15% trade income.
Man of Abiding Belief -(becomes) - Chaka Aikousha - This man has spent a fortune acquiring the “perfect” tokonoma . . . and a “perfect” Chabako . . . in fact his list of excess in pursuit of excellence, merely to serve a cup of tea, is endless. -15% agricultural output, -15% trade income.
Religious Compulsions –(becomes) - Chaka Iemoto – He truly is a Chaka Iemoto, he has created his own special blend of tea, his own unique gestures, movements and accessories, in fact his very own ceremony. While he has been spending vast energies doing so, he has also spent vast amounts of the treasury… -20% agricultural output, -20% trade income.
Man of Deep Devotion -(becomes) - Chaka Iemoto – He truly is a Chaka Iemoto, he has created his own special blend of tea, his own unique gestures, movements and accessories, in fact his very own ceremony. While he has been spending vast energies doing so, he has also spent vast amounts of the treasury… -20% agricultural output, -20% trade income.
Fear Not - there will be some positive Renga author and Tea Ceremony traits,
the ones above are for Obsessive Compulsive Samurai...
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B.
Another “double” trait, where both levels have the same effect. In Samurai it will appear to be only one level.
Smuggler Group
'Informal' Merchant –(becomes) – Shogi aikousha – Shogi came to Japan in the 6th Century, and this man is determined to become an Iemoto of Shogi. His other duties can wait.! -10% agricultural output, -20% trade income.
Smuggler –(becomes) – Shogi aikousha – Shogi came to Japan in the 6th Century, and this man is determined to become an Iemoto of Shogi. His other duties can wait.!. -10% agricultural output, -20% trade income.
And this one also has a double layer.
Art Lover Group
Artistic Leanings –(becomes) – Go player - Go came to Japan in the 7th century and it teaches discipline, concentration, and balance. This man however, is learning obsession snf forgetting his duties. -5% agricultural output, -5% trade income.
Art Lover –(becomes) – Go aikousha – Go was invented around 2300BC, It is a shame this man was ever taught how to play. He neglects his role and duties dreadfully. -10% agricultural output, -10% trade income.
Artistic Temperament –(becomes) – Go Iemoto – A grand master of Go, and of procrastination and avoidance of duties. His compulsion with Go is bankrupting the treasury. -20% agricultural output, -20% trade income.
Connoisseur of Art –(becomes) – Go Iemoto – A grand master of Go, and of procrastination and avoidance of duties. His compulsion with Go is bankrupting the treasury. -20% agricultural output, -20% trade income.
a few more
Barking Group:
Strange –(becomes) – Lecher
This man take's excessive liberties with the single women of the province. Rumours have reached his men and the villagers. -1 Morale, -10 Happiness
Crack-Brained –(becomes\) – Licentious
This man's desire for the opposite sex knows no bounds, he even takes villagers wives as concubines. Does the Way of the Warrior mean nothing to him?-2 Morale, -20 Happiness
Unhinged Loon –(becomes) – Satyr
He has been taking not only the villagers wives, but the wives and daughters of his men as concubines. His men desert him and his people despise him. -3 Morale, -30 Happiness
Avarice Group
Materialist –
He is motivated by material wealth, spending much effort devising new taxes. +1 acumen.
Greed -(becomes) – Tax Assessor –
His new taxes make him unpopular as he squeezes every last grain of rice out of his lands. +1 acumen, -10 Happiness.
Secret Avarice –(becomes) – Tax Collector -
His endless quest to fill the treasury involves some dubious taxes. Some would call them fraudulent. +2 acumen, -10 Happiness.
Avarice –
His fraudulent tax schemes have been exposed, yet he feels compelled to keep raising taxes. This will soon lead the province into open revolt. +2 acumen, -40 Happiness.
Brigand Group
Outlaw –(becomes) – Kanenone –
To travel his lands you must pay a toll for an escort to protect you from brigands. If one does not pay one is sure to be attacked. -10% agricultural output and -10% trade income.
Brigand and Thief –(becomes) - Ryoukinjo -
His people now call him the hollow tollbooth. The brigands that have troubled his lands have been exposed as being his own retainers. -10% agricultural output, -10% trade income, and -20 Happiness.
Parsimonious Series
Frugal –(becomes) - Keizaika -
This man is careful when spending money, forgetting to pay for even the most basic of services. +1 Acumen, -10 Happiness
Careful with Money –(becomes) - Kechi -
This man is miserly with money, those around him know they will have to “forage” among the merchants and peasants for their keep. +2 Acumen, -20 Happiness
Mean –(becomes) – Iyashii -
Daylight has never fallen on the contents of this man's purse. His few retainers have taken to openly pillaging the villages and towns for their keep. +3 Acumen, -30 Happiness
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Philosopher Group
Philosophically Inclined –(becomes) – Byobu collector -
He has an interest in Byobu (highly decorated folding screens), and is neglecting his other duties while he travels far and wide searching for the best examples. -5% agricultural output, -5% trade income.
Philosophical Bent -(becomes) – Avid Byobu collector -
His interests in Byobu go beyond the merely casual. He desires to own examples dating all the way back to the Nara, and is financing his purchases with forays into the treasury. -10% agricultural output, -10% trade income.
Deep Thinker -(becomes) – Avid Byobu collector -
His interests in Byobu go beyond the merely casual. He desires to own examples dating all the way back to the Nara, and is financing his purchases with forays into the treasury. -10% agricultural output, -10% trade income.
Head In The Clouds -(becomes) – Byobu aikousha -
Beautiful they may be, but with his borrowings to purchase examples, and his neglect of day-to-day duties, the treasury is suffering greatly. -20% agricultural output, -20% trade income.
Natural Philosopher -(becomes) – Byobu aikousha -
Beautiful they may be, but with his borrowings to purchase examples, and his neglect of day-to-day duties, the treasury is suffering greatly. -20% agricultural output, -20% trade income.
Heretic Group: Revealed by a spy (CHARACTER TRAIT)
Secret Heretic –(becomes)- Secret Animist –
He is a committed animist, but has managed to conceal this so far.
Heretic –(becomes)- Animist –
It has become widely know that he is an animist. -5 piety.
Corruption Group
(Tidying this one down to three pairs (3 levels))
Administratively Greedy – (becomes) - Corrupt –
He has a certain flexibility, and often accepts small bribes to speed up the carrying out of his duties. -10% agricultural output, -10% trade income.
Corrupt - He has a certain flexibility, and often accepts small bribes to speed up the carrying out of his duties. -10% agricultural output, -10% trade income.
Properly Greased Palms - (becomes) - Foully Corrupt –
He sees corruption as a necessary evil, and forces himself to accept bribes when carrying out duties he should be doing anyway. He does little without an extra payment from somebody. -15% agricultural output, -15% trade income.
Foully Corrupt - He sees corruption as a necessary evil, and forces himself to accept bribes when carrying out duties he should be doing anyway. He does little without an extra payment from somebody. -15% agricultural output, -15% trade income.
Venal - (becomes) - Utterly Corrupt –
He sees extra payments for doing his duties as his proper right and due for the responsibility he carries. He will do nothing without money going into his purse. -20% agricultural output, -20% trade income.
Utterly Corrupt - He sees extra payments for doing his duties as his proper right and due for the responsibility he carries. He will do nothing without money going into his purse. -20% agricultural output, -20% trade income.
Paranoid Group D: Appear after surviving an inquisition.
(similar to Pious, with the exception of dread, and very unlikely to ever actually BE seen in game.
Devout – (becomes) – Believer - He is a true believer. -2 dread, +2 piety
God Fearing - (becomes) – Devout - He is a devout believer, and acts in accordance with his beliefs. -4 dread, +4 piety
Born Again - (becomes) – Pious - He applies his strong religious principles to everything he does. -6 dread, +6 piety
Bookworm Group:
Literate – (becomes) - Calligrapher
While this man's love of Calligraphy is exceptional, it has also left him with little time for practice with his sword. +1 Acumen, -1 Valour
Lover of Books – (becomes) – Manga aikousha
This mans knowledge of Manga has few rivals, but the time and effort he puts into his collection sees him seriously neglecting his katana. +2 Acumen, -1 Valour
Possessor of Books – (becomes) - Ukiyo-e aikousha
This man has abandoned practicing with his weapons, spending all his time with his Ukiyo-e prints. +3 Acumen, -1 Valour
Chivalrous Group:
Honourable Warrior - This man's conduct has been noted with approval by his friends and enemies. +1 Morale, -1 Dread
Chivalrous - (becomes) - Noble Warrior –
Honour is everything. He is incapable of taking advantage of an enemy in a fair fight. +2 Morale, -2 Dread
Gentle Knight - (becomes) - Bushido –
This man's adherence to Bushido is the very stuff of legend! +3 Morale, -3 Dread
R'as al Ghul
04-26-2007, 09:04
Gentle Knight - (becomes) - Bushido –
What about: This samurai is so honourable that if someone was trying to cut of his head he'd point out that he's wearing a shikoro (neckguard). :laugh4:
(I've read this anecdote where a samurai is defeated and while awaiting his death says to the attacker who's difficulties cutting off his head "Are you confused? I'm wearing a shikoro!" However, the advise came to late as a retainer of the defeated sam stepped up and decapitated the attacker.)
Good work, barocca.
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Numerate Group:
Hard Sums - (becomes)- student of Chado
This mans passion is Chado, "the way of tea". The tea ceremony is an art form, where grace and perfection are serious business. This gives him some skill in financial matters. +1 Acumen
Numerate - (becomes)- student of Chabako demae
His studies of “the way of tea” have advanced and now he is learning a specialised discipline. +2 Acumen
Master of Numbers - (becomes)- Chabako demae aikousha
He has studied carefully the art of Chakabo demae and his skills of concentration have likewise improved. +3 Acumen
Charity Group:
Charitable - (becomes)- enjoys Noh
This man enjoys Noh theatre and often organises public performances by troops of actors.
+10 Happiness.
Very Charitable - (becomes)- Noh aikousha
He not only pays for public performances by troops of his favourite actors, sometimes he even takes part!
+10 Happiness, +1 piety.
Most Charitable - (becomes)- enjoys Dengaku
Not only does this man organise Noh performances he also encourages Dengaku, the harvest celebrations. His people adore him as a result.
+20 Happiness, +1 piety.
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Swapping one out (perversion) substituting adultery in its slot and bringing a new variant into the adultery slot
Lust Group:
Secret Perversion – (becomes) - Secret Adultery –
He has been having an adulterous affair with another noble's wife. They have been fortunate to keep this secret so far.
Perversion – (becomes) - Adultery –
Rumours have spread about his adulterous affair with another noble's wife. -4 piety.
Adultery Group:
Secret Adultery – (becomes) – Shirabyoshi Courtesan –
He has quietly taken a Shirobyoshi dancer as a courtesan. His wife is turning a blind eye…for now.
Adultery - (becomes) – Shirabyoshi Concubine –
He has openly taken a Shirobyoshi dancer as a concubine. His family, retainers and especially his wife are not pleased. -2 piety.
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A perversion relative to boys would be a more "japanese/samurai" vice. Samurai were well known for their preference to manly love. Military life and campaigning laid the perfect conditions for that. A study of this is presented in the film "Gohatto" by legendery director Nagisa Oshima (The realm of the senses - Ai no corrida) starring Takeshi Kitano and Asano Tadanobu.
Women were treated with contempt in that department and love between men was regarded as higher in quality. Women were married on grounds of family necessity and social formality. However passions for women were also reported.
Tokugawa Ieyasu was one of the legends that had such intimate customs and he has been described as a "genius that couldn't control his sex life" the latter being dominated by young boys.
Many Thanks
Noir
in Samurai culture there would be NO penalty for having a male lover,
i swapped out the boy perversion for that reason,
in Samurai Culture it was Not a perversion.
Charismatic Group:
Charismatic – (becomes) – Senryu author
This man has some skill at Senryu, poetry which focus on human foibles and are often cynical or darkly humorous, this pleases his retainers and amuses the local populace. +10 Happiness, +1 Morale
Captivating Nature - (becomes) – Senryu aikousha
This man's willingness to make his perceived foibles the focus of Senryu inspires great efforts from, and the confidence of, everyone he commands.
+20 Happiness, +2 Morale
Charismatic Leader - (becomes) – Haikai no Renga author
This man's Haikai no Renga compositions have such an impact on a crowd that he inspires respect and great deeds just by his presence. +30 Happiness, +3 Morale
Smart Talker Group:
Eloquent - (becomes) – keeper of Shrines
This man contributes to the upkeep of local shrines. People come from neighbouring provinces to visit them. +1 piety, +1 acumen.
Most Eloquent - (becomes) – builder of Shrines
This man builds new shrines and lavishly repairs the ancient ones. People come from all corners of Japan to pay their respects. +2 piety, +2 acumen.
Witty Group:
Clever with Words - (becomes) – Kasen Renga author – His Kasen renga brings great joy to those around him, writing them has given him a sharp mind. +1 Acumen
Fast Talker - (becomes) – Kasen Renga composer – This man’s Kasen renga are famed throughout his lands. People travel far to hear him recite them, and pay well for copies of them. +2 Acumen
Irredeemably Witty - (becomes) – Kasen Renga ietomo – His Kasen renga compositions are legendary, the effort he has put into writing has paid off with a clear, sharp mind and attention to detail. +3 Acumen
Fast Learner Group:
Sharp Mind - (becomes) – Shogi player
You need a quick mind to play Shogi, this mans mind is very sharp. +1 Acumen
Quick Learner - (becomes) – Shogi aikousha
This mans skills of concentration are becoming legendary, he uses these skills to manage his lands exceptionally well. +2 Acumen
Rapid Understanding - (becomes) – Shogi ietomo
People travel far to study Shogi at this mans feet, and he charges them handsomely for the privilege. +3 Acumen
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Affable Group:
Approachable Manner - (becomes) – Gagaku author
Gagaku is a type of Japanese classical music performed at the Imperial court. That this man is a renowned author for the Imperial Court pleases his people. +1 Acumen, +10 Happiness
Friendly - (becomes) – Gagaku Ietomo
This man is recognised as the foremost author of Gagaku (classical Japanese music for the Imperial court). He earns a tidy sum from this venture and his people are proud of him. +2 Acumen, +20 Happiness
Affable - (becomes) – Saibara composer
Saibara is a genre of accompanied music for the Imperial Court. This man's abilities as a composer inspires his retainers and his people to the benefit of all. +3 Acumen, +30 Happiness
Good Manager Group:
Organised - (becomes) – Hyakuin renga
Hyakuin renga is a highly specialised form of poetry , often with a hundred verses. This mans abilities please his people and improve his monetary skills. +1 Acumen, +10 Happiness
Highly Organised - (becomes) – Hyakuin renga author
Writing Hyakuin renga requires good organisational skills and improves concentration. This mans skill at his art also pleases his people. +2 Acumen, +20 Happiness
Order out of Chaos - (becomes) – Hyakuin renga ietomo
This man has become a master at writing Hyakuin renga, people travel far to hear him recite them, his skills inspire his people to great efforts. +3 Acumen, +30 Happiness
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Right-Hand Man Group:
Clever Assistants - (becomes) – Baishin
This man has a habit of bringing out the bet in his Baishin (retainers). His lands prosper and his people are happy. +1 Acumen, +10 Happiness
Able Lieutenant - (becomes) – Fukushin
this man inspires confidence just through his choice of Fukushin (trusted retainers). +2 Acumen, +20 Happiness
Right Hand Man - (becomes) – Choushin
This man's Choushin is truly an able right-hand man. His people are well cared for and work hard because of it! +3 Acumen, +30 Happiness
Delegator Group:
Faithful Servants - (becomes) – Bun Bu Ryo Do
This man studies Bun Bu Ryo Do, “The pen and the sword in accord”. He has wisdom and inspires his men. +1 Acumen, +1 Command
Delegates Authority - (becomes) – Bun Bu Ryo Do
This man has a rare gift in the art of Bun Bu Ryo Do, aiding him in much that he does. +2 Acumen, +2 Command
Gives Away Power - (becomes) – Bun Bu Ryo Do aikousha
This man is perhaps studying too hard, maybe he needs to get back into the field and practice what he has learnt. +1 Acumen, +1 Command
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That is all for now - i will review what I have done in a week or so,
and if anyone else wants to make suggestions have at it.
Cheers
B. :bow:
Originally posted by Barocca
in Samurai culture there would be NO penalty for having a male lover,
i swapped out the boy perversion for that reason,
in Samurai Culture it was Not a perversion.
I appreciate this and stand corrected.
Male love being a common part of the culture may worth basing a vice/virtue (or anything in between). Characters may take penalty due to their feelings and not due to social frown. For example jealousy was often developed and extreme actions were taken sometimes in the form of backstabbings/secret fauds/and even "searches" for duels during battle.
Many Thanks
Noir
I thought you couldn't modify traits. I know you can modify trait names and descriptions but the effects as well?
Are you sure? :inquisitive:
? not modifying effects, only the names and descrriptions,
some of the effects levels dont change effects,
all i change is names and descriptions.
cheers,
B.
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