Factions ?

[Vlad The Impaler]

what factions will be in M:TW ? what u think ?

my guess is :

1.England
2.France
3.Holy Roman Empire
3.Byzantine Empire
4.Christian Spain
5.Muslim Spain ( Almhoad Empire )
6.Mongols
7.Hungary
8.Saracens
9.Turks ( Seliuks & Otomans -smthin like Imagawa/Tokugawa in S:TW)
10.Poland/Lithuania
11.Papacy ( i dont see why...or maybe some city-states..)
12.Kingdom of Jerusalem

...and non-playable city states;i think with some of them u ll interact ( examples http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gifenmark;Burgundy;Portugal;Scotland;Serbia;Russian principality; Sicily and more...) and other like ronins in the S:TW

[ShadesWolf]

You r very close their to what I also think.

However, I dont think Jerusalem will be in, that will probably be Russia.

and then theirs the fact that you have 13 factions not 12. (you have two threes)

so I also dont think that Hungary will be in, and the papacy will be Italy,

BTW this will be the only reply you get, as there is an active thread open on this point, and this one will be closed.....

Sorry m8.

[Vlad The Impaler]

oh i didnt know..i checked fast..well if is another topic on this matter then this topic should be deleted
anyway...is strange to be russia in the game..cause they are small at that times and under mongolian rule..well..i ll look for the topic on this matter;

[Toda Nebuchadnezzar]

Hungry will be in it I think! They had to put up with the Monols invading their cuntry all the time. It coul be a possibility that the Mongols are an un-controllable faction. They simply invade certain 'zones' of Europe at certain times. The mongols were nt eally Europe, thats te whole point I think, they were stopped because of deaths of th Khan and just simply could't beat all of Europe!(sorry magy 'n' Kocmoc) So maybe Mongols are not in it. Who knows...

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[ShadesWolf]

I must say im sorry mate, its been deleted,
So this can start a new thread.

My appologies......

[Vanya]

Seems to me from the pics available on the game, that Egypt exists as a faction too...

http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/confused.gif

[Sir Kuma of The Org]

Here's the link to the original thread about this subject
http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000043.html

To find a thread you can always use the search option menu that
you can find at the upper right corner of this page.

The thread fizzled out over 6 weeks ago, so i'm leaving this thread open. I would have closed it if the old thread was active or near active (on the first page).

So post on dudes!!!!! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif


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Yes the camel sprites do look good, hope they sound good also...

[ShadesWolf]

Thks kuma

[Vlad The Impaler]

Toda,actually a lot of mongols lived in the northen part of the Black Sea; actually...Europe include Caucasus and Ural mountains and the mongol state from around Crimeea peninsula and norther Black Sea have vasals for long time the russian principalities; i'm not sure but the horde of Batu-Khan was establish there and later their kingdom was called The Golden Horde;

[Toda Nebuchadnezzar]

Indeed I passedover this area, but are you completely sure this area of Europe will be present in the strategic map? As I recall (vague) there was nothing amazingly important occuring in this area of Euope at this time. Therefore the need to input it is limited. Was this game firstly caled Crusader TW. Crusades are more South Eastern Euope in occurence, and England,Spain,HRE,France,Italy,Byzantines but not so much the western half of present day russia and the baltic states. The Caucasus is present day Georgia and Armenia no? (just trying to place it on the world map in my head http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif) This area maybe a little too far East for Medieval Europe. Remember 'The Holy Land' was not considered Europe and the Caucasus is further East than the Middle East.
True the mongol have been included but still I feel they will be as an event not a faction. But possibly they will be a playable faction aslo in the MP or custom battle modes. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

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"non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomine tuo da gloriam"

[This message has been edited by Toda Nebuchadnezzar (edited 01-26-2002).]

[Vlad The Impaler]

a lot of amazing things happend there Toda especially after the mongol conquest ; Georgia was a proudy powerful kingdom and an big ally of the byzantines; also the wars between lithuanian and teutonic knights were quite a party
also there were a lot of italian comercial cities very rich and powerful;i dont say that the game big map will end at the Ural mountains but if the western scholars didnt know much about these part of the world this doesnt means that big things doesnt happend;
mongol are very important for that part of history ;also medieval history as science doesnt make any diffrence betweem geographical part of the world..its just ..medieval

[Toda Nebuchadnezzar]

ok man just chill......mellow out. LOL as i said i had a vague understanding of the area. I never heard about much that went on their at that time. Possibly because im British and its not my home area. But also its not an area of the World that iam inclined to study.

Obviously I hope they do add it in, and make some historical accuracy so that we can learn about it, but has anything major such as 100 years war,crusades happened. We hear about colonisation yet Georgia is not one of the major states envolved in it. But I will bow to your wisdom as I know next to nothing on this specialised subject.

*bows* http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

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"non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomine tuo da gloriam"

[Vlad The Impaler]

L O L ...chill...hahaahhaahhaahahahaaa

[Catiline]

Prester John!

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Bis peccare in bello non licet

[Sir Kuma of The Org]

Originally posted by Catiline:
Prester John!

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This is starting to seem like an obsession Cat http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

Who is Prester John again please? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

But then again i have this thing about the camels..... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Yes the camel sprites do look good, hope they sound good also...

[This message has been edited by Sir Kuma of The Org (edited 01-27-2002).]

[Vlad The Impaler]

and Catiline..what means ur signature if u dont mind ..both http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif the old one and this

[Catiline]

Oderint dum metuant

Let them hate so long as they fear

Comes from a Roman poet L. Accius, quoted by Cicero, originalyly in the play Atreus, who was father (or grandfahtre) of Agamemnon leader of the Greeks in the Trojan war. Unfortunately the phrase has apparently been picked up by the Neo Nazi movement in the US, which is rather undesirable, but if others don't use it they get ot keep it to themselves. I picked it up during some rather interesting moderating issues a few months ago.


Bis peccare in bello non licet

It is not permitted to err twice in war.

Where that comes from I can't remember

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[Shiro]

Quote Originally posted by Catiline:
Unfortunately the phrase has apparently been picked up by the Neo Nazi movement in the US, which is rather undesirable, but if others don't use it they get ot keep it to themselves. I picked it up during some rather interesting moderating issues a few months ago.
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Not to mention some Devil worshippers as well. I remember using that sig in Google. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[Catiline]

What can I say. Prester John was the subject of the first sob story chain letter, like those ones about the Tajikisthani boy with no legs leprosy and a poxed herd of goats. Prester Johns problem was that he was a king of a Christian kingdom assailed by infidels on all sides. The first case would have elicited no sympathy from your average medieval monarch, the second evidently did as the spent the 12/13th century forwarding hte letter to one another to get him some help.

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[Vlad The Impaler]

thanks Catiline

[St Stephen]

Question to Target!

Why can't you guys tell us the 12 playable faction now?

If you do can, please post them here!

Thank you!

[Dark Phoenix]

Its so that they keep people interested and not give all the info at the straight away.

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[St Stephen]

Quote Originally posted by Dark Phoenix:
Its so that they keep people interested and not give all the info at the straight away.
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Yes I know but still I find this silly!Why can't we know the true 12 playable factions so we would stop being ridiculous by guessing in the dark!

To me it's like when you play with your dog but you never let the poor soul cach that bacon.Right now I feel like the dog and I'm wondering how long I'll be interested in that bacon!



[This message has been edited by St Stephen (edited 02-12-2002).]

[Rath]

It creates hype..

[St Stephen]

Quote Originally posted by Rath:
It creates hype..[/QUOTE]

Hype wount last so long.This is torture!

[Rath]

Heh hype can, and will, last as long people are willing to speculate http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

However i agree with you and would damn well like to know who the factions are http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Toda Nebuchadnezzar]

I am getting restless now also. But only because im doing revision for my up-coming exams.

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[ShadesWolf]

My guess is as follows

Almohads
Byzantines
England
France
Holy Roman Empire
Mongols
Poland
Russian city states
Saracens
Spain
Turks
Italy

[Leet Eriksson]

wheres hungary?its supposed to be in the game it has a big territory under control what happened?!?btw if we ally with ronin states(or other factons)can we share technologies?

[Siena]

so, do you think there will be one grand campaign with 12 playable nations that spans 400 years?
I though somebody was speculating that there will be a few smaller campaigns spanning 100 years, and in those playable nations may be different?
Is this true?

[Sir Kuma of The Org]

Yes to question one and two. The player will have the choice to play the big 400 year time span campaign or one of the 3 time period campaigns.

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[This message has been edited by Sir Kuma of The Org (edited 02-18-2002).]

[Siena]

Sir Kuma of The Org, thanks a lot for the information.
That is extremely interesting.
So the crucial question is this:
will those 3 campaigns have the same playable countries?

[Sir Kuma of The Org]

That i don't know, sorry.

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Yes the camel sprites do look good, hope they sound good also...

[Siena]

thanks for honesty.
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