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Nelduin
05-19-2007, 14:10
Dynasty Ming's Preview (Thanks to Hoggy for his models)
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/1847/cartagecopyjh0.gif

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/6692/wallpapersmingth5.png

History:

Ming Dynasty (Chinese: 明朝; Hanyu Pinyin: Míng Cháo) was the ruling dynasty of China from 1368 to 1644. It was the last ethnic Han-led dynasty in China, supplanting the Mongol-led Yuan Dynasty before falling to the Manchu-led Qing Dynasty. The Ming Dynasty ruled over the Empire of the Great Ming (大明國; Dà Míng Guó), as China was then known. Although the Ming capital, Beijing, fell in 1644, remnants of the Ming throne and power (now collectively called the Southern Ming) survived until 1662.

Ming rule saw the construction of a vast navy, including four-masted ships of 1,500 tons displacement, and a standing army of 1,000,000 troops. Over 100,000 tons of iron per year were produced in North China (roughly 1 kg per inhabitant), and many books were printed using movable type. There were strong feelings among the Han ethnic group against the rule by non-Han ethnic groups during the subsequent Qing Dynasty[citation needed], and the restoration of the Ming dynasty was used as a rallying cry up until the modern era.
The Mongol-led Yuan Dynasty ruled before the establishment of the Ming Dynasty. Some historians believe the Mongols' discrimination against Han Chinese during the Yuan dynasty was the primary cause for the end of that dynasty. The discrimination led to a peasant revolt that pushed the Yuan dynasty back to the Mongolian steppes. But historians such as Joseph Walker dispute this theory. Other causes include paper currency over-circulation, which caused inflation to go up tenfold during the reign of Yuan Emperor Shundi, along with the flooding of the Yellow River as a result of the abandonment of irrigation projects. In Late Yuan times, agriculture was in a shambles. When hundreds of thousands of civilians were called upon to work on the Yellow River, war broke out. A number of Han Chinese groups revolted, and eventually the group led by Zhu Yuanzhang, assisted by an ancient and secret intellectual fraternity called the Summer Palace people, established dominance. The rebellion succeeded, and the Ming Dynasty was established in Nanjing in 1368. Zhu Yuanzhang took Hongwu as his reign title. The Ming dynasty emperors were members of the Zhu family.

Hongwu kept a powerful army organized on a military system known as the weisuo system, which was similar to the fubing system of the Tang Dynasty. According to Ming Shigao, the political intention in establishing the weisuo system was to maintain a strong army while avoiding bonds between commanding officers and soldiers.

Hong Wu supported the creation of self-supporting agricultural communities. Neo-feudal land-tenure developments of late Song times were expropriated with the establishment of the Ming Dynasty. Great land estates were confiscated by the government, divided, and rented out; private slavery was forbidden. Consequently, after the death of the Yongle Emperor, independent peasant landholders predominated in Chinese agriculture.

It is notable that, though an embracer of Confucianism himself, Hongwu did not trust Confucians. However, under the next few emperors, the Confucian scholar gentry, who were marginalized under the Yuan for nearly a century, once again
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Leader : Zhu Houzhao, or Zhengde, the 10th Emperor of Ming
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/5108/mingzhengdelk0.jpghttp://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6082/zenhgosc7.png



The Ming dynasty benefits from the important Chinese population. Their troops are more numerous.
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Description of the units :

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/4167/unitslisteqv8.jpg

Chinese Heavy Infantry
They are equipped with a heavy armor, a spear and a round-shiedl
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/6906/chineseheavyinfantrycb5.th.png (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chineseheavyinfantrycb5.png)

Chinese Recruits
They are peasant clothed with a garment and equipped with a spear
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/7119/chineserecruitsmx8.th.png (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chineserecruitsmx8.png)

Chinese Archers
They are good in the handling of the bow
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5789/chinesearchersvl9.th.png (http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chinesearchersvl9.png)

Chu-Ko-Nu Crossbowmens
They are equipped with a powerful crossbow
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5421/chukonuki6.th.png (http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chukonuki6.png)

Chinese Cavarly Archers
They are horsearchers
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3012/chinesecavalryarchervx5.th.png (http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chinesecavalryarchervx5.png)

Chinese Medium Cavalry
They are equipped with a light armor and a spear
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9099/chinesemeduimcavalrytz4.th.png (http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chinesemeduimcavalrytz4.png)

Guanyu Cavalry
They are equipped without any armor and with the Chinese halberd
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4035/guanyucavalryhq4.th.png (http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=guanyucavalryhq4.png)

Chinese Heavy Cavalry
They are equipped with a heavy armor, a spear and a round-shield
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4517/chineseheavycavalryvm8.th.png (http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chineseheavycavalryvm8.png)

Omanes Alexandrapolites
05-19-2007, 14:19
Looking good :thumbsup:

Intranetusa
05-19-2007, 20:14
very good models, but the armors for the Ming are anachronistic. The armors are similar to those used during the Han/Qin/Warring States period (5th cent BC-3rd cent AD) instead of Ming dynasty armor.

During the Ming, the average soldier wore brigandine armor and a steel helmet.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_invasions_of_Korea_%281592-1598%29#Armor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigandine

Ossie The Great
05-20-2007, 19:39
They are looking great.

Nelduin
05-21-2007, 17:18
Thanks... :juggle2:

Eufarius
05-21-2007, 21:58
hey you wouldnt be taking these skins from Blue Lotus? they look alike

Intranetusa
05-22-2007, 04:35
hey you wouldnt be taking these skins from Blue Lotus? they look alike

hmmm, the models from Blue Lotus? Show us some pics?

The armors for the Ming in the picture are anachronistic. The armors are lamellar used during the Han/Qin/Warring States period (5th cent BC-3rd cent AD) instead of Ming dynasty armor.

During the Ming, the average soldier wore metal brigandine armor and a steel helmet.

Nelduin
05-22-2007, 11:37
Yes, we have the permission to use this models...

Nelduin
07-01-2007, 17:54
Updated !!!

furiousming
08-19-2007, 09:02
hmmm, the models from Blue Lotus? Show us some pics?

The armors for the Ming in the picture are anachronistic. The armors are lamellar used during the Han/Qin/Warring States period (5th cent BC-3rd cent AD) instead of Ming dynasty armor.

During the Ming, the average soldier wore metal brigandine armor and a steel helmet.

Although Ming dynasty did use brigandine extensively in the mid to late period, early Ming use lamellar armor similar to the pictures.

RollingWave
05-15-2008, 06:19
Although Ming dynasty did use brigandine extensively in the mid to late period, early Ming use lamellar armor similar to the pictures.

that would depend a lot also on the status of the solider. most infantries also was not that well armored.

Ming Dynasty employed A LOT of gunpowder weapons. by late period they were actually based a lot on gunpowder units. your depiction is sort of off, and would be more fitting for something like the Song period (though not exactly correct either)

depections of the Korean war saw all sorts of artilery on the Ming's part. if we uses MTW2 references you could say they had Ribaults and rocket launchers in significant quantity. and used some sort of crude granades and significant amount of hand guns.

the Cho-Ko Nu was a different form of cross bow. it fires fast but it's range / penetration was limited. the soliders often compenstated for the lack of firepower with poison darts. it was basically useless against armor and shields. but useful in seige defense and simple fire surpressment and the simple shock effects.

The Ming used anti personal artillery to some pretty good effect and even had stratagies based on them , against the Mongols they often just formed a small sort right on the spot but surronding their troops with Ribualt / Missile launcher like anti personal artileries along with heavy crossbowman inside and some melee troop just incase they somehow broke through. (they obviously can't have enough artillery to form a full circle, so often they spaced them between cargo carts. with some supporting cavary as spotters etc...

this is a older mod now, but I would have...

a. had a Korean faction as the Vassal to Ming.
b. set a date on when a Manchu faction will rise in Machuria.

Nelduin
05-15-2008, 10:23
Hello, you should post your suggestion for the next version Here (http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1920504#post1920504)

tokai
12-16-2009, 04:38
Ming's troop has no the Classification of heavy & light in 16-17 centuries

The north garrisons' name is from these 12 military strongholds:
for example:Liaodong & Jizhen troop 遼東兵 and 薊鎮兵
they including:
cavalry(馬兵)-including mounted archer & mounted fiream(using single or three tube open fires & long shank Hand Gunners ),their subsidiary are short single-blade sword & lance or other cold arms. But Ming-army has their own small & middle carnons, for eample folangchi style(佛郎機)& chinese created carrige hoop carnon for example:great general(大將軍炮) & killed tartary(滅虜炮), a kind of motar like a prone tiger(虎蹲炮).By the way,these carnons also the main styles in Ming's fiream carriage(車營). Some north-west cavalry is from yeoman. The ming cavalry has chain mail, Brigandine & iron & fabric armet.

infantry(步兵)- ming's north garrisons is from Weisuo(衛所), the hereditary military family & enlisted. In the later ming, enlisted soldiers has been instead of Weisuo gradually. The tridinal soldiers from Weisuo are flunky & they have few train & low combat effectiveness,their weapon are also not superior. They often to be regards as the the outpost or town guards. Enlisted soldiers' combat effectiveness are higher than Weisuo troop, they usually to fight. The weapon is like the cavalry, also use different fiream. They have few chain mail & Brigandine, also have the cap insted of the armet.

fiream carriage(車營)- the ming's fiream carriage is a protective troop, they are infantry with fiream carriage, the carriage was be revised folk style, they have 3 styles: light & heavy fiream carriage, baggage vehicles, they have 2 to 4 whees. Infantry used fireams & carnons to hide behind carriage to shoot in the battlfield, although they still equipped cold arms.For the fiream, pls see the description of cavalry.

south-east enlisted soldier(南兵)- they are usual enlisted from south-east & littoral provinces,the original troops is from General Qijiguang 's(戚继光) troop. They have few chain mail & Brigandine & often equiped cap & 3/4 length thick coat. They have high combat effectiveness & use rattan shield, arquebus & japanese sword. They are disciplined in battlefield.

bodyguard(家丁)- they are the main combat-worthy troops, they are also the general's personal troops, they also from badman ,killer & mongol warriors. They have the high soldier's pay and provisions, even most of troops has few soldier's pay and provisions or their commision are usually to be defaulted in 16-17 centuries.

other special troops:
mongol warriors(達兵 or 夷兵)
japanese musketers(倭兵)
They are usually captured & some of them are lansquenets or translator.

The other mings' troops are from inland provinces. For example: Sichuan troops(四川兵)& Maohulu posseman(毛葫蘆兵) in Henan(河南) province, they are brave but no disciplined, South-west toast troops & littoral provinces' navy & the palace guards.

tokai
12-25-2009, 09:21
http://photo.blog.sina.com.cn/catego...62682/s/216164
the troops of Choson kingdom(Yi clan)朝鮮李朝 (The middle of 16-17 century), only missing Choson arquebuser(晚期朝鮮砲手)


http://photo.blog.sina.com.cn/catego...62682/s/216163
the troops of late Ming empire晚期明代 (1520-1644.AD)

tokai
12-25-2009, 09:30
http://photo.blog.sina.com.cn/catego...62682/s/216164
the troops of Choson kingdom(Yi clan)朝鮮李朝 (The middle of 16-17 century), only missing Choson arquebuser(晚期朝鮮砲手)


(http://photo.blog.sina.com.cn/catego...62682/s/216163)
the troops of late Ming empire晚期明代 (1520-1644.AD)

tokai
12-25-2009, 09:31
http://photo.blog.sina.com.cn/category/u/1275162682/s/216163/page3
the troops of late Ming empire晚期明代 (1520-1644.AD)