King's Banner 2.0 [Archive]

JoeDreck

06-04-2007, 23:09

King's Banner 2.0

Welcome to the King's Banner mod thread.

This is my mod for Medieval II: Total War. I hope you like it and give me feedback.

This mod adds over 130 new main banners, many new upgrade banners and over 300 new shield textures for Medieval 2.

Every one of the large factions have received new banners, please see full list below.
I've also created a system which will allow more banners for each faction than was available in vanilla.

I've tried to make all textures as historically accurate, as was possible. So if you see
something wrong or have any suggestions, tell me.

Examples:
https://img45.imageshack.us/img45/4694/holyromanempireaz1.th.jpg (https://img45.imageshack.us/my.php?image=holyromanempireaz1.jpg)https://img159.imageshack.us/img159/4993/francewz4.th.jpg (https://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=francewz4.jpg)https://img159.imageshack.us/img159/3803/englandiu7.th.jpg (https://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=englandiu7.jpg)
https://img150.imageshack.us/img150/5125/egyptcn3.th.jpg (https://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=egyptcn3.jpg)https://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8404/spainpl3.th.jpg (https://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spainpl3.jpg)https://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8113/polanddi1.th.jpg (https://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=polanddi1.jpg)

Banners for the following factions:

England [12 banners, general banner]
France [12 banners, general and some upgrade banners]
HRE [12 banners, general and some upgrade banners]
Spain [12 banners, general and some upgrade banners]
Hungary [8 banners, 2 general and some upgrade banners]
Poland [8 banners, general banner]
Egypt [8 banners, general and some upgrade banners]
Byzantinum [8 banners, general banner and some upgrade banners]
Denmark [6 banners, general banner]
Portugal [6 banners, general and some upgrade banners]
Moors [4 banners, general banner]
Sicily [4 banners, general banner]
Russia [4 banners, general and some upgrade banners]
Venice [4 banners, general banner]
Selcuk Turks [4 banners, general banner]
Scotland [1 general banner]
Milan [1 banner for Musketeers]

Arabic rebels [5 and some upgrade banners]
Westeuropean rebels [5 and some upgrade banners]
Easteuropean rebels [5 and some upgrade banners]
Hospitaller [1 banner]
Templar [1 banner]
Teutonic order [1 banner]
Knigts of Santiago [1 banner]
Wales [1 banner]

European Knights

Leon y Castile
https://img75.imageshack.us/img75/139/1cllk0.th.jpg (https://img75.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1cllk0.jpg)https://img249.imageshack.us/img249/4356/2clxu2.th.jpg (https://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2clxu2.jpg)https://img249.imageshack.us/img249/2696/3cluz3.th.jpg (https://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3cluz3.jpg)
England
https://img75.imageshack.us/img75/886/1engbe7.th.jpg (https://img75.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1engbe7.jpg)https://img249.imageshack.us/img249/4246/2engmc4.th.jpg (https://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2engmc4.jpg)https://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3931/3engit2.th.jpg (https://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3engit2.jpg)
France
https://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4892/1fraqb9.th.jpg (https://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1fraqb9.jpg)https://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4364/2frauy2.th.jpg (https://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2frauy2.jpg)https://img389.imageshack.us/img389/8207/3fradc2.th.jpg (https://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3fradc2.jpg)
HRE
https://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2735/1hrejo9.th.jpg (https://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1hrejo9.jpg)https://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3788/2hrexh4.th.jpg (https://img248.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2hrexh4.jpg)https://img248.imageshack.us/img248/9247/3hrejb3.th.jpg (https://img248.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3hrejb3.jpg)
Poland
https://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6673/1polwt8.th.jpg (https://img402.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1polwt8.jpg)https://img389.imageshack.us/img389/705/2polpb8.th.jpg (https://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2polpb8.jpg)https://img389.imageshack.us/img389/6637/3polfu8.th.jpg (https://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3polfu8.jpg)
Portugal____________Denmark____________Byzantium
https://img67.imageshack.us/img67/3544/port1zz8.th.jpg (https://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=port1zz8.jpg)https://img78.imageshack.us/img78/9297/denmarkad4.th.jpg (https://img78.imageshack.us/my.php?image=denmarkad4.jpg)https://img130.imageshack.us/img130/1653/byzantiumgj4.th.jpg (https://img130.imageshack.us/my.php?image=byzantiumgj4.jpg)
Arabian
https://img167.imageshack.us/img167/6901/egyptvb9.th.jpg (https://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=egyptvb9.jpg)https://img530.imageshack.us/img530/9593/moorshb2.th.jpg (https://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=moorshb2.jpg)https://img237.imageshack.us/img237/6176/selcukgq7.th.jpg (https://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=selcukgq7.jpg)

Downloadlink for the King's Banner Mod
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=1461

Bug fix: for east europen slav mercs, nubian warriors, chivalric knight rebels.
example: when you hire mercs in the region zagreb, the slav spearmen have white banners. this fix this problem. overwrite the file in kingsbanner/data
http://files.filefront.com//;7958486;;/

Thanks to:
Boicote for symbols for Russia, Spain and Denmark
GrandViz for the setup.exe and support
Salty for the Denmark color changes (Frankfurt rules)
WhiteWolf for some Byzantinum shields

Whacker

06-04-2007, 23:36

:jawdrop:

NICE! This one's a keeper! Going to tntegrate into my personal Frankenmod!

Edit - Link doesn't work for me!

Agent Smith

06-04-2007, 23:38

I guess I'm the first to say it, but VERY nice work. Those banners are very impressive. I have two questions:

1.) Do the units still retain the banner/unit distinctions? For instance, spear unit banners are square with a jagged edge, archer banners are triangular, cavalry are wide rectangular, etc.

2.) Can you show a screensot of the new Russian banners?

EDIT: DARN YOU WHACKER!!!!

JoeDreck

06-04-2007, 23:38

the link not work, cause i've made a mistake, but i hope that someone change it.:dizzy2:

Whacker

06-04-2007, 23:39

JoeDreck, can you post a valid link to it in a new post? One of the mods can surely fix it easily.

Agent Smith, I exist only to thwart your first posts :clown:

Agent Smith

06-04-2007, 23:41

Agent Smith, I exist only to thwart your first posts :clown:

Oh yeah?

(Insert yo mama joke with thwart as an inuendo here)

JoeDreck

06-04-2007, 23:44

Download link:
http://www.file-upload.net/download-286123/kingsbanner.exe.html

NOW THE LINK WORKING

Shahed

06-05-2007, 00:02

AWESOME work man. Absolutely beautiful !

When is your next release ?
Do you intend to do banners for Turks, Timurids & Mongols ?

JoeDreck

06-05-2007, 00:05

i'm working on the selcuk turks banner, maybe the other two get new banner too. :tumbleweed:

Kobal2fr

06-05-2007, 00:21

*drool*.

Stunning work. Simply stunning.

Shahed

06-05-2007, 00:27

i'm working on the selcuk turks banner, maybe the other two get new banner too. :tumbleweed:

Great. If you need any sources of info (you probably know this) but the Broken Crescent mod forum is a good place. There's a lot of banners, shields etc there which you could get ideas from. The link is my signature, click it if you want to have a look there.

Rhedd

06-05-2007, 01:47

Very nice!

So I went to look at the actual textures, and found them to be ".texture" files. What utility do I need to convert those to/from actual usable graphic files?

Shahed

06-05-2007, 01:59

This should help:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=75726&highlight=converter

Rhedd

06-05-2007, 02:04

This should help:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=75726&highlight=converter
Danke!

Sorry for going off topic, but thanks for the help.

I really love the shields. Although I like the way they handled "team colors" in vanilla, I kind of missed that feeling of vibrant heraldic colors. Especially for France. The new shields make me happy.

Shahed

06-05-2007, 02:06

Bitte.

JoeDreck

06-05-2007, 11:18

Great. If you need any sources of info (you probably know this) but the Broken Crescent mod forum is a good place. There's a lot of banners, shields etc there which you could get ideas from. The link is my signature, click it if you want to have a look there.
thanks. :juggle2:

i'm ready with the shields for the arabic factions.
for the selcuk faction i found only one banner (the blue with eagle and crossbow) and thats was the reason,
why i didn't take them in the mod.

what i would need is a mesh expert, who change the meshes of the banner.
i've made the pole 35% smaller and it makes the banner 35% smaller too.
now i would like to make the banner mesh bigger, so that the pole is short and the banner is normal by 100%. :sweatdrop:

someone, who knows someone?

Shahed

06-05-2007, 11:30

Joe, yeap I do, try AlphaDelta on the BC mod forum, post in the public forum to get his attention.
I hope he will help you, but I can't say for sure.

Seljuk Turks
https://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9577/greatseljukvu5.gif

IIRC the red ones are royal standards for the Sultan's bodyguard and could also be used for Quapukulu (in game reference obviously).
Check this thread might be more there:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=88959

The Timurids
https://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2079/timuridsxn4.jpg

Hope that helps.

You can find more for Timurids by studying Persian paintings. Bit complicated but if you really want to Chagatai_Khan at the BC mod forum might be able to give you some pointers. You could also help yourself by posting in history forums, e.g www.allempires.com. that one is good and you can find some info there. The BC mod has a lot of people who can help you. If you look through the threads on the factions you are interested in you will spot the persons who can give you info. To name a few: Ahiga, Qarama, Chagatai Khan, Boztorgai_Khan, jermagon, Randarkmaan, CelticPagan. I hope I spelt all those correctly. If you want my reference tell them Sinan told you to speak to them for information. I'm not sure what depth of information they have, but if they don't have it and have time and willingness, they can surely find it for you.

Thanks for all your hard and timeless efforts. It's great work.

JoeDreck

06-05-2007, 11:37

that are mine banners for selcuk. very boring, but histiric(ly):dizzy2:

https://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=selcukvw3.jpg

AlphaDelta, ok i contact him:inquisitive:

sapi

06-05-2007, 11:46

Moved to the modding forums :bow:

Shahed

06-05-2007, 11:47

That's a good start Joe !

JoeDreck

06-05-2007, 12:12

thanks, i do what i can.:clown:

Eng

06-08-2007, 18:20

Looks cool but wouldn't it be a bit confusing???

JoeDreck

06-09-2007, 10:11

Looks cool but wouldn't it be a bit confusing???

what do you mean with confusing? :inquisitive:

Tambarskjelve

06-09-2007, 12:23

Wow, this is great.
I actually had the banners turned off, but with this they are coming back.
Love the reduced size banners, and looking forward to shield-gazing.
Thanks.

Tambarskjelve

06-09-2007, 13:39

Kobal2fr

06-09-2007, 16:19

Ok, a bit confused here, how is it possible to incorporate this into another mod? Like Carl's problemfixer Pure, or LTC? Both create their own mod folders. But Copy pasting wont do it, it requires some config triggers?

Nope, no config file required, the original mod shortcut is enough (it basically tells the game "use all the files you find in that folder instead of the packed ones", it doesn't list what files are in it)

And I've successfully copy/pasted King's Banner into LtC's dir except for the descr_export_unit.txt file and the /world folder, which both seemed to be pure vanilla to me, so unneeded and obviously would bork LtC anyway. No adverse effects, gorgeous banners.

JoeDreck

06-09-2007, 17:47

Tambarskjelve

06-10-2007, 02:45

I proceeded as Kobal2fr suggested, and got it to work perfectly with Carl's Problemfixer Pure.
Thanks both of you! :2thumbsup:

Beautiful work, JoeDreck, I like the smaller size of the banners, as well as the diversity and designs of shields.
For your compatibility issue, I guess the only thing keeping your shields and banners from the masses, is getting them incorporated into mods that fixes other aspects.

Thanks again.

Kobal2fr

06-10-2007, 14:25

And I've successfully copy/pasted King's Banner into LtC's dir except for the descr_export_unit.txt file and the /world folder, which both seemed to be pure vanilla to me, so unneeded and obviously would bork LtC anyway. No adverse effects, gorgeous banners.

do you mean my export_descr_unit file?

that's one of my biggest problem with this mod. that's the reason why i have 1500 downloads in 2 weeks. the compability.:no:

Yes, I meant that it didn't look like you made any changes to it from 1.2, did you ?

Anyway, since Lusted's LtC changes a lot of stuff in that file, I didn't copy yours. Doesn't seem to cause any problem. Same goes for the data/world folder.

There's something that's been bugging me though : you changed the icons and faction shields and fixed some problems with them (such as the cav spearhead formation always looking like it's toggled on when it's not), and that's a good thing. But playing the game in 1600x1200, the new stuff appears fuzzy and less detailed, as if they've been through antialiasing x12. Would you happen to know why/how to fix them ?

Kobal2fr

06-10-2007, 22:00

Found something you'll love : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projet:Blasons

It's in French, but it's fairly straightforward. There's lots of stuff to sort through, and most of the stuff you have already put in the mod, but I'll give you a hand. Here's the pages you'll probably be most interested in, i.e. stuff that's not already in :

First the royal lines :

Here (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armorial_des_Bragance), the royal family of Portugal

The Habsburgs (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armorial_des_Habsbourg), includes Hungarian royalty

Then the provinces and lower nobility :

for the Danes (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armorial_scandinave) : royal arms of Denmark, Scandinavia, Finland and Sweden

For the Italian factions, I give you the Italian Principalities (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armorial_italien), including the Sicilian royal line

Here are those of the Christian kingdoms in the Levant (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armorial_d%27Orient). Dunno what you could make of them though. Crusader shields, maybe ? Then again, that red cross on white is classy and iconic.

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Also found this site : http://www.heraldique-europeenne.org/Accueil.htm

On the left menu, click on "Geographique" and you'll find a list of coat of arms for most European countries and royal families. In "Europe orientale" you'll find lots of stuff for Poland, Hungary and Russia, there's also like 20 pages of coat of arms from Genoan and Venetian Doges in "Peninsule Italienne".

Kobal2fr

06-11-2007, 20:45

JoeDreck

06-11-2007, 22:02

This might be nitpicking but could you redo the Danish unit icons and strat map models to fit their new yellow+blue color scheme ? Tried doing it myself, but I really, really suck at that PaintShop thing :/

yes i know. i'm ready with fix this problem. i didn't play the campaign and so i didn't saw it.

the bugfix is comming soon with the add on. :beam:

Kobal2fr

06-11-2007, 23:53

Woohooo ! Great news !

Tambarskjelve

06-14-2007, 07:28

Kobal2fr

06-14-2007, 10:46

Nope, don't think so as the voice sets are not in /world anyway, nor are the files which dictate which unit gets which sound. (Plus of course, if that were the root of your problem, it would be mine as well :grin:)

Have you installed any other mods besides King's Banner ? And which faction are you playing that calls you king of England BTW ? Is that true for all factions you play ? And are we talking ALL of your units, or only mercenaries for example ?

EDIT : oh, and you probably have to start a new campaign after installing KB I think. It changes quite a lot of things in the way units are displayed so maybe that's why your voicesets are borked ?

JoeDreck

06-14-2007, 14:50

I'm not entirely sure it's Kings Banners's fault, but since I installed it, my own units have been calling me the king of England, and cheering for England and so forth.
Could this have anything to do with me not copying the WORLD folder and export_descr_unitstats?

i didn't change the sound files. my intention was not to change so many files, as i can.

i never heard something. my people call me my king, but not specific my french king or holy emperor. i have a german version, so it could be, the the quality of the sayings are not so nice, as the english one.

i have in an other thread a similar prob, but an other mod made this bug. it was stainless steel mixed with mine.

JoeDreck

06-16-2007, 19:02

KING'S BANNER v2.0 IS RELEASED!!!

https://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5476/desertsonswj6.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

Kobal2fr

06-16-2007, 19:34

Wooohooo ! Firing it up as we speak !

Just a quick question though : why did you include the /sounds directory this time ? Did you change anything in it ?

EDIT : Aaaah, and you fixed the strat map models too ! Thanks a lot for that. I mean it.

Do you think you could do the unit cards too ? As in this example ?

http://www.kobal2.free.fr/cards.jpg

Don't take it the wrong way, I really LOVE your mod, and I realize how minute a detail this is and how much of pain in the ass I'm being right now. Thankfully, you can't punch me in the nose through the internet yet :sweatdrop:

JoeDreck

06-16-2007, 20:25

it is a bug. grandviz has mixed them with ai mod.

edit:
the thing is clarified. there is no mix.

Kobal2fr

06-16-2007, 20:32

Gah. So are the files in his AI mod then ? Meaning I could dl it and get the missing files from his mod ?

JoeDreck

06-16-2007, 20:49

Gah. So are the files in his AI mod then ? Meaning I could dl it and get the missing files from his mod ?

forget the the mod link. i have to make them new.

edit:

the thing is clarified. the link is online again.

NagatsukaShumi

06-23-2007, 14:15

This is fantastic JD, absolutely amazing work and very accurate!

JoeDreck

06-23-2007, 15:08

This is fantastic JD, absolutely amazing work and very accurate!

thank you very much.

sometimes i forget why i release my mods, but people like you remember me again.:idea2:

NagatsukaShumi

06-23-2007, 15:55

Thank you JD, I am sure many of us are appreciative of your mod, it doesn't change much but it certainly improves the mood of the game to have accurate banners flying over our armies!

I have moved the thread to the Mods in Devolopment forum as it seems the more appropriate forum :2thumbsup:.

JoeDreck

06-24-2007, 10:58

Thank you JD, I am sure many of us are appreciative of your mod, it doesn't change much but it certainly improves the mood of the game to have accurate banners flying over our armies!

i don't want to change the gameplay. many people like many different changes and there are so many fantastic mods. so i wanted to make a mod, which changes something, that everyone like. and it is not hard to make him compatibel with other mods. :juggle2:

Tambarskjelve

06-24-2007, 12:18

Sorry for being so slow.
the England problem was playing as the Poles. I was reported as English in diplomacy, as well. Nwm, I did a clean install, and everything is fine.
A quick question, I see you listed in Deus Lo vult, is your mod incorporated in it?

Still, thanks for a great mod, Looking forward to seeing the grandeur of 2.0 :)

JoeDreck

06-24-2007, 15:27

A quick question, I see you listed in Deus Lo vult, is your mod incorporated in it?

Still, thanks for a great mod, Looking forward to seeing the grandeur of 2.0

i'm one of the people, who hate it to wait for a mod 6 months, so i release a early beta version of kings banner, but without so much banners to make the time shorter for waiting people. only 4 banners for some factions and repman use them for DLV, but it is not King's Banner.

thanks. and i'm working on king's banner: king's crown :laugh4:

JoeDreck

06-29-2007, 14:43

a 1st patch is out. see on the first side.

JoeDreck

07-13-2007, 10:11

there is the 2nd patch on the first side, which fix some white banner problems.

Marcus Furius Camillus

01-01-2008, 12:54

Sorry I'm interrupting again, but I heard there would come a King's Banner 3.0

I don't want to overwhelm your ( or your team ) with work, but wouldn't it be great to integrate the coat-of-arms of almost every duchy, county etc. in this MOD and attach them to every unit recruited in the analogue settlement or castle.
F.I.: Units recruited in the area of Toulouse should were the right coat of arms.
I don't know if this will be possible, but I'm ready to help with research or photoshop related subjects.