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econ21
07-28-2007, 10:58
The text of the proposed Charter Amendments is as follows:

*Charter Amendment 11.1: Whenever a large dispute arises over the legitamacy of one's succesion to a position of high power (Kaiser, King of Outremer, or Dukedom), a council shall be set forth to discuss the events and vote on who shal succede. Should the position of Kaiser be questioned, the four Dukes and the King of Outremer shall decide who is to become Kaiser. Should a Dukedom or the King of Outremer be under dispute, those not directly involved in the dispute shall be part of the council. In order for the council to be formed, at least one quarter of the voting power in the Reich is needed to for the council to be formed. Regarding the dukes, half of the voting period within the house is needed as the same with the King of Outremer which requires half of the crusader's votes.
Proposed: Friedrich Scherer
Seconded: Duke Arnold, Gerhard Steffen

*Charter Amendment 11.2:Point 5.5 of the Charter is to be amended by the following: The Prince is appointed by the Emperor upon his ascension to the throne. Should a Prince die a new heir has to be appointed immediately.
Proposed: Kaiser Siegfried
Seconded: Hans, Matthias

*Charter Amendment 11.3: The King of Outremer is allowed to propose three Edicts (or Charter Amendments) per Diet Session. Prior to being tabled in the Diet, these must be seconded by two Crusader Counts in the Council of Crusaders.
Proposed: Elberhard
Seconded: Jan von Hamburg, Ansehelm von Kastilien

*Charter Amendment 11.4:

Clause 3.10 is amended to read as follows (changes in bold):

3.10 Influential players get bonus votes (max +6 bonus)

Appointed Influence (Max 4 points):
Duke: +3
Count: +1
Chancellor, ex-Chancellor, or Prince: +1

Stat Influence (Max 2 points):
15 or more total stat points: +1 (I thought about a lower number, but all avatars are given a base 3 piety and base 5 loyalty, which means those points are freebies. So, 15 is only 7 from actual traits, plus the 8 piety and loyalty freebies)
6 or more ranks in one stat: +1 (In the unlikely scenario where a character gets 6 or more in 2 stats without having 15 total, they get this +1 twice)

The player who is Emperor gets bonus votes differently, being equal to his authority.

Charter Amendment 9.1 is amended to read as follows (changes in bold):

4. The Kingdom will be overseen by a King of Outremer, who will be appointed by the Emperor at each full Diet session. The King will temporarily renounce all loyalties to his House for the duration of his appointment (e.g. if Duke, must appoint a Steward). The King of Outremer may propose up to 3 personal Edicts during each Diet session, but 2 must specifically deal with Outremer affairs.

8. All four Houses of the Reich have a stake in the Kingdom. Damascus is assigned to Austria; Adana is assigned to Bavaria; Acre is assigned to Swabia; and Aleppo is assigned to Franconia. Antioch will be the capital of Outremer and an Imperial province governed by the King of Outremer. Edessa will also be an Imperial province, governed by a Count chosen by the King of Outremer. The Crusading Count for a settlement must come from the appropriate House. They will gain +1 influence, but only if they are not already a Count in their Duchy, and only for the Diet session that marks their appointment. The cap of 6 influence for all but the Emperor remains.
Proposed: Lothar Steffen
Seconded: Ansehelm, Hans

*Charter Amendment 11.5: All cities must have their maximum amount of free upkeep militia within their walls all times, except when the militia is used to fight armies observed to be within the boundaries of their province.
Proposed: Sigismund von Mahren
Seconded: Arnold, Gerhard Steffen

*Charter Amendment 11.6: The position of King of Outremer is appointed by the emperor. This appointment lasts for the duration of the emperors reign or the Kings lifetime, whichever is shorter. The King of Outremer is permitted to resign, if the emperor is willing to accept the resignation, upon which a new King is appointed by the emperor.
If the King of Outremer is deemed incapable of the assignment, he may be impeached by the emperor and 2 Dukes.
Proposed: Hans
Seconded: Ansehelm, Conrad Salier

*Charter Amendment 11.7: The section of the Charter which currently reads "5.4 The Emperor adjudicates on rules disputes" will be changed to the following: 5.4 The Emperor adjudicates on rules disputes. However, if a rules dispute directly involves the Emperor, the four Dukes of the Realm (or their appointed deputies) will gather to assist the Emperor in clarifying the dispute. A simple vote among the Dukes would decide the dispute, with the Emperor having the tie-breaking vote.
Proposed: Matthias Steffen
Seconded: Arnold, Jan von Hamburg

*Charter Amendment 11.8:
(a) All prisoners are to be released after every battle.
(b) No settlement can be exterminated without prior authorization from a Diet vote.
Proposed: Jan von Hamburg
Seconded: Conrad Salier, Elberhard

econ21
07-29-2007, 12:17
CA 11.1:
Yes: AussieGiant (+4), Cecil XIX (+3), Dutch_guy (+4), Factionheir (+4), FLYdude (+5), GeneralHankerchief (+4), gibsonsg91921 (+1), Northnovas (+4), OverKnight (+4), Privateerkev (+3), Stuperman (+4), TinCow (+3), Xdeathfire (+4)
No: econ21 (+5), Ituralde (+3), Stig (+3)
PASSED 60 to 14 (2/3 majority)


CA 11.2:
Yes: AussieGiant (+4), Cecil XIX (+3), Dutch_guy (+4), Factionheir (+4), FLYdude (+5), GeneralHankerchief (+4), gibsonsg91921 (+1), Ituralde (+3), Northnovas (+4), OverKnight (+4), Privateerkev (+3), Stig (+3), Stuperman (+4), TinCow (+3), Xdeathfire (+4)
No: econ21 (+5)
PASSED with 2/3 majority


CA 11.3:
Yes: Cecil XIX (+3), Dutch_guy (+4), econ21 (+5), Factionheir (+4), FLYdude (+5), Ituralde (+3), Northnovas (+4), OverKnight (+4), Privateerkev (+3), Stig (+3), Xdeathfire (+4)
No: AussieGiant (+4), GeneralHankerchief (+4), gibsonsg91921 (+1), TinCow (+3)
PASSED 54 to 16 (2/3 majority)


CA 11.4:
Yes: AussieGiant (+4), Cecil XIX (+3), Dutch_guy (+4), Factionheir (+4), GeneralHankerchief (+4), gibsonsg91921 (+1), Northnovas (+4), OverKnight (+4), Stig (+3), Stuperman (+4), TinCow (+3), Xdeathfire (+4)
No :econ21 (+5), FLYdude (+5), Ituralde (+3), Privateerkev (+3)
PASSED 54 to 20 (2/3 majority)


CA 11.5:
Yes : AussieGiant (+4), Cecil XIX (+3), Factionheir (+4), FLYdude (+5), Ituralde (+3), Northnovas (+4), OverKnight (+4), Privateerkev (+3), Stuperman (+4), TinCow (+3), Xdeathfire (+4)
No: Dutch_guy (+4), econ21 (+5), GeneralHankerchief (+4), gibsonsg91921 (+1),
Stig (+3)
PASSED 52 to 19 (2/3 majority)


CA 11.6:
Yes : AussieGiant (+4), Cecil XIX (+3), Dutch_guy (+4), Factionheir (+4), FLYdude (+5), GeneralHankerchief (+4), gibsonsg91921 (+1), Northnovas (+4), OverKnight (+4), Privateerkev (+3), Stig (+3), Stuperman (+4),
TinCow (+3), Xdeathfire (+4)
No :econ21 (+5), Ituralde (+3)
PASSED with 2/3 majority


CA 11.7:
Yes : AussieGiant (+4), Cecil XIX (+3), Dutch_guy (+4), Factionheir (+4), FLYdude (+5), gibsonsg91921 (+1), Northnovas (+4), OverKnight (+4), Privateerkev (+3), Stuperman (+4), TinCow (+3), Xdeathfire (+4)
No : econ21 (+5), GeneralHankerchief (+4), Ituralde (+3), Stig (+3)
PASSED 55 to 19 (2/3 majority)


CA 11.8:
Yes :Cecil XIX (+3), Dutch_guy (+4), econ21 (+5), FLYdude (+5), GeneralHankerchief (+4), gibsonsg91921 (+1), Ituralde (+3), Privateerkev (+3)
No : AussieGiant (+4), Factionheir (+4), Northnovas (+4), OverKnight (+4), Stig (+3), Stuperman (+4), TinCow (+3), Xdeathfire (+4)
FAILS 36 to 35 (no 2/3 majority)