Regions

[phoenix[illusion]]

What regions should be in game?

[Tsar]

How many do you plan to have on the map?
Because map is smaller, EX YU can have at least 15

[phoenix[illusion]]

Don't know. That's why I asked. What should we do with regions?

[Tsar]

']Don't know. That's why I asked. What should we do with regions?
Well around every City or Fort or Town(somehow important) make region

[Pvt.Leka]

Well without Glubocica mod wont be cool enough :laugh4: No i am not from leskovac:no:

[Milos98]

Well, in Serbia there should be; Krusevac, Sirmium, Prizren, Belgrade (maybe), Ras (stari Ras),...

[Tsar]

Well, in Serbia there should be; Krusevac, Sirmium, Prizren, Belgrade (maybe), Ras (stari Ras),...
Golubac, Nis, Maglic castle(near Kraljevo), Castle of Ram(near Veliko Gradiste)

actually here is the list so check it out:

CASTELS IN SERBIA (http://sr.wikipedia.org/sr-el/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BA_%D1%82%D0%B2%D1%80%D1%92%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B0_%D1%83_%D0%A1%D1%80% D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B8)

[Vla_86]

That's nice.But what about Bosnia and Croatia? My suggestion for Bosnia would be : Doboj,Sarajevo,Trebinje,Jajce and Srebrenica.Major regions in Croatia were also : Knin,Sisak,Trogir and Zagreb.It would be nice to see Kotor in Montenegro,Novo Brdo in Kosovo and Skopje in Macedonia.

[Tsar]

Looking at phoenix[illusion] first map, I would say
Hungary(Croatia, Bosnia):14-16regions
Serbia:6-7
Bulgaria:6-7
Byzantine:12-14
Wallachia:5
Athens:2-3
Venice:3-4
St.John:2-3
Naples:7-8
Ottoman:14-15
Rebels: To fill up the holes:laugh4:

So, 70-80 regions + rebels

P.S.
This is just for # of regions(looking at a map) not for starting regions for each faction

[matko]

i have a lot of maps of croatia and bosnia ill post them here soon. and i will recomend possible provinces.

some thoughts...
dubrovnik should be one of those rebel provinces, this is before it recognized hungarian king as his ruler...
dalmatia was under control of venice so, must go in ven 3-4 provinces.
so, we can split croatia (without dalmatia and dubrovik (of course)) in 2 or 3 provinces, and bosnia in another 2 (or 3?) ?

MAPS:
https://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5619/dsc00701mz1.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
from: T. Raukar: Hrvatsko srednjevjekovlje

now map this is useful (our mod starts in time of Stjepan 2 Kotromanic), because it is very detailed and has names of Bosnia's provinces. and if we are to split Bosnia in 2 provinces, one will certainly be Bosnia (central part, Zemlja Bosna), and other Hum (Humska zemlja), or Završje (maybe even Usora-Soli or even Donji Kraji - but im not for that because this region gained importance after town of Jajce was built and this happened 50 years after this mod starts).

https://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3678/dsc00698qu0.jpg (https://imageshack.us)


mm

[Sarmatian]

Nice maps, but I think we need more than two provinces for Bosnia. And I think we should consider adding Bosnia as a faction...

[King Orko]

Nice maps, but I think we need more than two provinces for Bosnia. And I think we should consider adding Bosnia as a faction...
Yeah that would be nice...

[Milos98]

That's nice.But what about Bosnia and Croatia? My suggestion for Bosnia would be : Doboj,Sarajevo,Trebinje,Jajce and Srebrenica.Major regions in Croatia were also : Knin,Sisak,Trogir and Zagreb.It would be nice to see Kotor in Montenegro,Novo Brdo in Kosovo and Skopje in Macedonia.

Sarajevo and Jajce should not be added in game, couse they are cities wich were built when turks ruled the balkans (Sarajevo= Saraj-turkish for merchant outpost), I think Soko province should be added.

[Vla_86]

Sarajevo and Jajce should not be added in game, couse they are cities wich were built when turks ruled the balkans (Sarajevo= Saraj-turkish for merchant outpost), I think Soko province should be added.


Yes,my bad.Sarajevo was built during the turkish reign,but city of Jajce was built by bosnian duke Hrvoje Vukcic Hrvatinic.And it is mentioned first time in the end of 14the century and his founder calls it as „conte di Jajce“.

[matko]

Nice maps, but I think we need more than two provinces for Bosnia. And I think we should consider adding Bosnia as a faction...
seconded.

of course no Jajce and Sarajevo. if we decide to make Donji Kraji as province then the castle should be Kljuc (i have to check that to be sure). And in central Bosnia the castle should be Bobovac.

[Tsar]

I think you are wrong about Jajce check this out:

http://jajceportal.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=5

[matko]

I think you are wrong about Jajce check this out:

http://jajceportal.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=5

"Jajce se, u pisanom dokumentu, prvi put pominje 1396. godine kada se Hrvoje Vukčić naziva jajačkim ("conte di Jajcze"). Grad je podignut između 1391-1404"
- no we are not wrong - this is quote from the link you posted. mod starts in 1345 !

[Tsar]

"Jajce se, u pisanom dokumentu, prvi put pominje 1396. godine kada se Hrvoje Vukčić naziva jajačkim ("conte di Jajcze"). Grad je podignut između 1391-1404"
- no we are not wrong - this is quote from the link you posted. mod starts in 1345 !
Well it's said that name Jajce is first time "mentioned" 1394 that doesn't mean it didn't exist before, and later they just build up more walls and towers.
Reading this text you can see when ottomans take over Jajce they controlled complete area including Kljuc, because of that I thought that Jajce was very important and should be on the map.

[King Orko]

Few Regions to be in Romania:
Tragovishte(Wallachia)(A city)
Campulung(Wallachia)(A castle)
Constantza(Dobroja)(A castle)
Severin(Lesser Wallachia) (A city)
Buzau(Wallachia) (A city)
Calarasi(Wallachia) (A city)

[matko]

Well it's said that name Jajce is first time "mentioned" 1394 that doesn't mean it didn't exist before, and later they just build up more walls and towers.
Reading this text you can see when ottomans take over Jajce they controlled complete area including Kljuc, because of that I thought that Jajce was very important and should be on the map.

well it is possible to add Jajce as a city but it must be small and without city walls. maybe it is the best idea

[King Orko]

well it is possible to add Jajce as a city but it must be small and without city walls. maybe it is the best idea
It's a silly compromise...

[Tsar]

It's a silly compromise...
what do you mean silly? Every compromise is good because ending fight:smash:

[matko]

now it is only to see if there was any big castle in Donji Kraje region...
if not then Jajce will have to do. but it will be more like a village when game starts - you will have to spend some money on buildings and fortifications.

[King Orko]

what do you mean silly? Every compromise is good because ending fight:smash:
The city was very important and large, but you don't know if it existed back than. so instead you have it as an unimportant city.
Unhistoricall and silly.

[Tsar]

The city was very important and large, but you don't know if it existed back than. so instead you have it as an unimportant city.
Unhistoricall and silly.
Well, if is first time mentioned 1394, thats mean its exsisted mach longer before.
Hrvoje Vukčić (1380-1416), poseban pečat u razvoju Jajca. Značajni građevinski pothvati izvedeni su na tvrđavi, kulama, bedemima, kapijama. Svi ovi i drugi objekti, svojom ljepotom i arhitekturom nadmašuju ostale građevine u tom periodu.


What do you think, that somebody will invest lots of gold(money) to build city on empty land. It was much cheaper to upgrade small town or small castle. Infrastructure were already there-roads, merchants, religious structures, etc

[El_lobo]

What about Bobovac?