View Full Version : "2 Weapons per unit limitation" should be removed !
Hi EB team and EB fans;
I brought "Kingdoms" expansion for M2TW a few days ago. I especially did that ,Because I was curious about the possible enhancements over the first game and to discover its ptentials for mods like EB. One thing I especially hope for was the removal of "Max. 2 weapons for each units" limitation. But unfortunarely I haven't found any unit carries more than 2 weapons :oops:
It's just sad because from the very first ROME total war to latest Medieval2 ,This was one the modding community demands and CA still disregard it :no:
You know well the importance of removing this restriction (2 weapons limit per unit) ,For example in EB there are considerable amount of Roman ,Greek and nomad units which carry/use more than 2 weapons. Things gerring more important when you're going to import for instance "Pahlava Armored horse archers" ! Because at least those who have played M2TW enough know well that when Cavalry charges with lance ,After the initial charge has finished ,the unit automatically switch to second weapon (Mace or sword) and continue on his melee combat. Now what a unit of armored horse archers should do after the initial charge ,Switch to bow???
I think now that many mods (If not all) are at the beginnig of their project ,Perhaps it is better with coordination of other teams ask CA to make a kind of patch in order to remove this restriction.Imo CA owe you(Modding teams) so much And if you ask it together ,I'm sure they will do this for you:yes: I think this shall be done with the leadership of EB ,Because EB is the best mod ever made for any of Total war games. And I heared that even CA staffs play EB and enjoy it so much:wink:
This is just a suggestion ,And I hope you will see it doable
With Regard
No I doubt, it would require a huge amount of changes to do.
Foot
Good god man, modding to make it more than 2 weapons? That's like asking me to eat 20 hotdogs in under 1 minute! I would explode.
Good god man, modding to make it more than 2 weapons? That's like asking me to eat 20 hotdogs in under 1 minute! I would explode.I didn't said it should be modded. I said the nobles of the community :smily: should together ask CA to make a patch for M2TW to make it more than 2 weapons. Surely it is not possible to mod it ,Because it is hardcoded !
No I doubt, it would require a huge amount of changes to do.I don't think so mate. CA easily makes patches for each versions of its games. Making a patch to just cahnge such a little thing should not be that difficult and time consuming for them !
Boyar Son
09-20-2007, 03:29
do troops from then actuely carried more than 2 weapons? other than the dagger roman had...
Yes, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, much so.
I don't think so mate. CA easily makes patches for each versions of its games. Making a patch to just cahnge such a little thing should not be that difficult and time consuming for them !
I'm not saying they don't make patches, I'm saying that it would require a very big change in the coded architecture of the game. From what little I know of coding, I imagine that its quite deeply imbedded, not to mention the fact that so many things would need to change. I mean, how would the AI deal with this?
No, I have no doubt that such a thing would not be changed for this engine.
Foot
OK Foot ,Thanks for response :)
I didn't think about the AI side of the matter. Yes it would be time consuming ! But I'm wondering why CA didn't implemented this feature for M2TW? Maybe they less care about the quality of the game and just looking for quick-more profit these days ... Perhaps !
Again I really worry about Armored horse achers Like Partho/Armenian ones in EB2? Have you found any solution for them?
Thanks again
OK Foot ,Thanks for response :)
I didn't think about the AI side of the matter. Yes it would be time consuming ! But I'm wondering why CA didn't implemented this feature for M2TW? Maybe they less care about the quality of the game and just looking for quick-more profit these days ... Perhaps !
I imagine they didn't have any reason to give units three weapons, and there is no reason to put a lot of work in to coding it just for a small group of modders.
Again I really worry about Armored horse achers Like Partho/Armenian ones in EB2? Have you found any solution for them?
Thanks again
Except what we already have, nope. But then you shouldn't really be using any cav unit in melee for long periods of time so its not too bad.
Foot
Power2the1
10-08-2007, 04:24
Seeing how carrying three weapons (spear, sword/axe, dagger) is somewhat historical, CA won't do it hehe
Bootsiuv
10-08-2007, 19:18
They aren't even working on the M2:TW engine anymore. Like Foot said, it would probaby require a lot of work to change something like this.
You could always go start a thread in the Empires sub-forum. CA devs go in there on occasion.
It's early enough that they might listen. :bow:
Honestly from a programming perspective using OO programming it would not in reality be all that difficult. Maybe a little bit annoying but nothing more.
How would the AI cope with it? And how would it affect the interface? It's not simply to add another slot in the array of weapons, I'm sure. Not to mention, how many customers would be willing to pay for the game with that feature, that wouldn't do so without?
Pharnakes
10-16-2007, 11:52
Every fan of every remotely historical mod?
Guys--
I am positive that I saw posted somewhere a way to give uinits in MTW2 three weapons. There is even a unit editor that has a field for stats for the 3rd weapon...
Only works with artillery, and can only be a special ammo type(it's sued for the cow carcasses the trebuchets throw).
I could have sworn that I saw a tutorial that showed how to add a 3rd weapon to an infantry unit...
Every fan of every remotely historical mod?
So you mean every fan of every remotely historical mod will boycott the next TW if they don't implement having more than two weapons? I think you are mistaken.
Pharnakes
10-20-2007, 12:54
Not to mention, how many customers would be willing to pay for the game with that feature, that wouldn't do so without?
I think I only read the first half of that sentence.:shame:
How would the AI cope with it?As 3 or more than 2 weapons just affect the Battles ,I think you mean that AI doesn't know how to work with more than two weapons ,right? Well a solution can be avoiding or restricting AI to only first two weapons and let only human player to use extra available weapons. Although it does need some coding stuffs to make sure AI would only use primary and secondary weapons ,but still far more easier to do and no need to hundreds of lines writing/modifying lines of codes :smiley:
And how would it affect the interface?Well ,I have no idea for this one. But in TW series we hold Alt key in order to use secondary weapons. CA can assign another key for activating the 3rd weapon :yes:
blacksnail
10-26-2007, 14:19
Every fan of every remotely historical mod?
All 30 of us? ~:)
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