View Full Version : The Brotherhood - Part II - Large Mafia Game [Concluded]
Omanes Alexandrapolites
11-14-2007, 13:47
This game is sort of continuing from Part I.
The Brotherhood of St. Thomas recently lost all of their sacred relics to a gang of murderous thieves. To compensate for this dreadful loss, the Brothers decided to go join a holy crusade to Jerusalem.
Unfortunately, the crusade failed, and, chased over the rocky desert landscape by the murderous Hashashin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashashin), the few remaining monks, along with several other soldiers and holy men, ended up on a beach awaiting rescue from some oncoming ships who would return them to Sussex in England. Sadly for the monks though, the Hashashin managed to sneak in at night, and infiltrate the group.
Roles:
Normal Crusader (Townie)
Various other pro-crusader roles (e.g. detective, doctor e.c.t)
Hashashin Spy (Mafioso)
Hashashin Assassin (Mafioso)
The Normal Crusader is always part of group. They can vote and can also perform select actions along with their fellow group members. Please see below for details.
The Hashashin Spies are also always part of a group. They can vote and can also perform select actions along with their fellow group members. Please see below for details.
The only difference between a Spy and a Normal Crusader is his alignment and knowledge of the identity of other Hashashins. Spies are loyal to the Hashashin cause, while Normal Crusaders are loyal to the Crusader cause.
The Hashashin Assassins are never part of a group and act independently. Each individual assasin may kill one person on assigned nights. They are aligned to the Hashashin cause, and know who all the other Hashashin Spies and Assassins are.
Groups:
Groups consist of typically Normal Crusaders and Hashashin Spies, although the former always has the majority over a group at the start of the game. Each group contains three or more members, and everybody in a group knows the identity of their fellow comrades.
The groups can kill or protect together on night phases assigned to them in their role PMs. To select targets, the decision must be unanimous and all group members must inform me of their selection. If the number of living players in a group drops to one individual, then the group cannot act.
The Hashashin Spies in the group are there to manipulate the actions of the other involved players to their advantage.
Just before I finish this section, I feel the need to give you a warning. This information will not be run as if it were law, so a few deliberate variations will exist to confuse players.
Just so you know, night phases will end after 24-hrs, while day phases will last until either eight votes (sixteen or more living players) or a majority vote (fewer than or equal to sixteen players) is reached. To comply with Andres' new hosting rules, the phase will end with no lynch after 72-hrs if the required number of votes has not been reached.
Role PM quoting is disallowed, as are the usual banned items such as screenshots.
Sign-ups are now closed.
Signed Up (19):
Andres
Beefy187
Brave_Sir_Robin
Caterus
Charge
Cheetah
Dutch_guy
FactionHeir
Garciliaso de la Vega el Inca
Ichigo
kamikhaan
Killfr3nzy
pevergreen
RoadKill
sapi
Sarathos
shlin28
Twilightblade
Warmaster Horus
seireikhaan
11-14-2007, 13:54
In.
FactionHeir
11-14-2007, 13:58
Confusing, but I'll Try.
In
Cool setting. Not sure I understand all of the rules, but I guess it'll become more clear once the game has started.
In.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
11-14-2007, 20:24
If you have any issues/queries with the set up might I request that you post them in the thread. Its just a way of easily working out points that cause confusion, and generating a better explaination. Thanks.
Am I correct when I say that every player will be part of a group of three masons?
Will the Hashashin who infiltrated a group of Masons have the "normal" mason/townie pm?
Omanes Alexandrapolites
11-14-2007, 21:08
Am I correct when I say that every player will be part of a group of three masons?Not quite. There will be two types of Hashashin - grouped and independent. The grouped have the same abilities as normal innocents, the only difference being their team and knowledge of other Hashashin. The independents can kill a set number of individuals, at current a total of two, each night between them. They, unlike the grouped type, are not members of the "mason" groups.
In addition there will be a few pro-townies who are excluded from the grouping system. They will have "special" pro-town roles (e.g. detective, role-blocker e.c.t).
Will the Hashashin who infiltrated a group of Masons have the "normal" mason/townie pm?No, although it won't actually be required. Role PM quoting is disallowed.
In :cool2:
and yes, it is confusing yet..
Omanes, in this game there are only two sides? all townies against all hashishins?
Sarathos
11-14-2007, 23:32
Throw me in
pevergreen
11-14-2007, 23:37
in.
Twilightblade
11-14-2007, 23:38
Ill join as well
Sarathos
11-14-2007, 23:41
Ill join as well
Why dont you join in school....???
RoadKill
11-15-2007, 01:32
Inage.
Tratorix
11-15-2007, 04:53
In.
Beefy187
11-15-2007, 06:50
count me in
Killfr3nzy
11-15-2007, 11:07
'In' is one word.
To sign up, simply post the words "In" below.
Hope that came off as helpful rather than ***hole-like.
Also;
In.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
11-15-2007, 13:37
Welcome to mafia Charge!
Omanes, in this game there are only two sides? all townies against all hashishins?Yes. This game should only contain two teams.
BTW, I've re-written the rules to try an increase their ease of understanding. If you have any further problems, feel free to ask.
Craterus
11-17-2007, 14:41
Hmmm, I'll play (please).
Warmaster Horus
11-17-2007, 15:10
In.
Twilightblade
11-20-2007, 10:50
wow this is taking a while to fill up
Omanes Alexandrapolites
11-20-2007, 13:15
I've sent PMs out to the mafia players from the days when I first joined. We'll see if that increases the rates of participation.
We have 18, is not that enough?
Dutch_guy
11-20-2007, 16:51
I've been looking for a big game to come back to the gameroom, I'll play :2thumbsup:
:balloon2:
Hey, it's not even started!
(...or you joking)
Omanes Alexandrapolites
11-21-2007, 18:17
Sign-ups are now closed and PMs are undergoing distribution - its a shame, but it seems that I'm not going to gain many more players. Thank you for your patience.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
11-21-2007, 20:11
Day I:
Day I begins.
Voting may now start. With nineteen players alive, it takes eight votes to be placed upon one player for a lynch to occur.
Alive (19):
Andres
Beefy187
Brave_Sir_Robin
Craterus
Charge
Cheetah
Dutch_guy
FactionHeir
Garciliaso de la Vega el Inca
Ichigo
kamikhaan
Killfr3nzy
pevergreen
RoadKill
sapi
Sarathos
shlin28
Twilightblade
Warmaster Horus
Might as well start it off
Vote:Andres
Craterus
11-21-2007, 22:33
I'll vote: Andres also. Just a temporary vote (it may change if someone incriminates themselves) but he's a cunning guy and his antics in the previous few games have been ...frustrating.
Also, Omanes, you missed an 'R' in Craterus. Just thought I'd let you know ~:)
Vote:Cheetah
Random vote you know, but we need to get discussion.
Random vote you know, but we need to get discussion.
Off course it's a random vote and off course we need discussion. Why are you stating the obvious?
Now, I'm happy to see Dutch_guy back in the Gameroom, so...
Vote : Dutch_guy
Welcome back :bow:
Why are you stating the obvious?
Its not obvious for some people.
I bet if we lynch in alphabetical order we'll win!!!
Beefy187
11-22-2007, 01:01
Vote: Ichigo
That means im second to die...:sweatdrop:
Start from BSR then ill be happy :laugh4:
pevergreen
11-22-2007, 01:06
Vote: Ichigo
Why didnt you play in my game? HMM?
Nice to see you back though :2thumbsup:
seireikhaan
11-22-2007, 01:15
Okay, Ichigo's acting silly again. What else is new?:coffeenews:
Vote: Andres.
Yay for Alphabetical order!
FactionHeir
11-22-2007, 01:18
vote: Andres
For being green.
Vote: Ichigo
Why didnt you play in my game? HMM?
Nice to see you back though :2thumbsup:
When? Where? How? Should of PMed me I would have considered it. I figured I would play Omane's game because I figured it would be good.
Tratorix
11-22-2007, 02:19
Vote: Charge
Lynch the new guy! :charge:
Killfr3nzy
11-22-2007, 07:52
Vote:BSR
So Beefy lives longer this game.
Beefy187
11-22-2007, 07:57
Vote: FH
For being blue :laugh4: .... wait a second..
Sarathos
11-22-2007, 11:10
Vote: BSR
be a brave sir and sit this one out.
It seems like I am the lynch for today, because... Eh, hm, ... ~:confused:
vote: Andres
For being green.
*** issues warning for racism ***
~;p
Vote: Sarathos
Hello ex-mafioso (maybe not ex-..) ~:wave:
Dutch_guy
11-22-2007, 14:20
Off course it's a random vote and off course we need discussion. Why are you stating the obvious?
Now, I'm happy to see Dutch_guy back in the Gameroom, so...
Vote : Dutch_guy
Welcome back :bow:
Well hello there, ex partner in crime :beam:
Don't quite see the point of lynching anyone without someone being killed, but I guess now everyone gets the chance to vote ~;)
As for my own:
Vote: Garci, because he has the longest name of the group - and if that isn't a sign of evil, then I don't know what is.
:balloon2:
Don't quite see the point of lynching anyone without someone being killed,
I agree.
Vote: none.
Vote: Cheetah
There can be no vote:none!!! :yes:
Omanes Alexandrapolites
11-22-2007, 21:52
Current Tally:
Andres - 4 (kamikhaan, FactionHeir, Craterus, Ichigo)
Cheetah - 2 (shlin28, Garciliaso de la Vega el Inca)
Brave_Sir_Robin - 2 (Killfr3nzy, Sarathos)
Garciliaso de la Vega el Inca - 1 (Dutch_guy)
Sarathos - 1 (Charge)
Charge - 1 (Brave_Sir_Robin)
FactionHeir - 1 (Beefy187)
Ichigo - 1 (pevergreen)
Dutch_guy - 1 (Andres)
No Lynch - 1 (Cheetah)
Could you guys keep the tally. It allows me to retain my extreme laziness when the end of the round is reached :zzz:
Much appreciated!
Tratorix
11-22-2007, 23:02
Unvote, Vote:Shlin28
What happened to your early round abstain policy? :inquisitive:
Beefy187
11-23-2007, 00:11
Unvote: Vote:Cheetah
If Shlin votes this early on in the game he must be real confident :laugh4:
Sarathos
11-23-2007, 01:09
Vote: Sarathos
Hello ex-mafioso (maybe not ex-..) ~:wave:
:huh:
vote: Andres
For being green.
Vote: FH
The gang will get you for that :grin2:
:huh:
You was very guilty mafioso in scourge of temil (first mafia game I watched);
besides that, just random vote...
FactionHeir
11-23-2007, 13:02
Vote: FH
The gang will get you for that :grin2:
:gah: theres more greenies?
FoS: sapi for being green too :grin2:
They are going to lynch me because I'm green :bigcry:
Meh, might as well create a tie between me and Cheetah.
Unvote ; Vote : Cheetah
Self preservation.
Andres, they are going to lynch you because you messed up the previous game. Bad Karma. Kind of silly but I can understand them.
Also, I am not going to risk my nice fur. I would have been the most happy not to lynch anyone. Sorry.
Unvote, Vote: Andres.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
11-23-2007, 19:53
Current Tally:
Andres - 5 (kamikhaan, FactionHeir, Craterus, Ichigo, Cheetah)
Cheetah - 4 (shlin28, Garciliaso de la Vega el Inca, Beefy187, Andres)
Brave_Sir_Robin - 2 (Killfr3nzy, Sarathos)
Garciliaso de la Vega el Inca - 1 (Dutch_guy)
FactionHeir - 1 (sapi)
Ichigo - 1 (pevergreen)
Sarathos - 1 (Charge)
shlin28 - 1 (Brave_Sir_Robin)
Current Tally:
Andres - 5 (kamikhaan, FactionHeir, Craterus, Ichigo, Cheetah)
Cheetah - 4 (shlin28, Garciliaso de la Vega el Inca, Beefy187, Andres)
Brave_Sir_Robin - 2 (Killfr3nzy, Sarathos)
Garciliaso de la Vega el Inca - 1 (Dutch_guy)
FactionHeir - 1 (sapi)
Ichigo - 1 (pevergreen)
Sarathos - 1 (Charge)
shlin28 - 1 (Brave_Sir_Robin)
that is a bit more accurate
Tratorix
11-23-2007, 20:54
Well, from what I understand, this first round is going to drag on until someone gets a majority vote so Unvote, Vote:Andres.
Alphabetical order FTW.
Well, from what I understand, this first round is going to drag on until someone gets a majority vote so Unvote, Vote:Andres.
Alphabetical order FTW.
I don't understand why are you so eager to lynch.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
11-23-2007, 21:48
Well, from what I understand, this first round is going to drag on until someone gets a majority vote...Not quite Brave_Sir_Robin - until there are fewer than sixteen players, eight votes is enough to kill. I felt that at the earlier stages a majority vote would probably be too hard to get.
Current Tally:
Andres - 6 (kamikhaan, FactionHeir, Craterus, Ichigo, Cheetah, Brave_Sir_Robin)
Cheetah - 4 (shlin28, Garciliaso de la Vega el Inca, Beefy187, Andres)
Brave_Sir_Robin - 2 (Killfr3nzy, Sarathos)
Garciliaso de la Vega el Inca - 1 (Dutch_guy)
FactionHeir - 1 (sapi)
Ichigo - 1 (pevergreen)
Sarathos - 1 (Charge)
Thanks for the correction Charge - maths never was my strongest skill.
PRESERVE THE UNION!! VIVA LA VOTE ANDRES
Where is Twilightblade? I say we lynch da lurker :yes:
Unvote, Vote Twilightblade
Tratorix
11-23-2007, 22:52
I don't understand why are you so eager to lynch.
Because there is no real discussion going on. If we don't lynch someone I think this game might start to stagnate and die. Besides, it's going to be a random lynch in the first round anyway.
Beefy187
11-24-2007, 01:08
Voting for TB and stuff isnt gonna do much good Shlin.
if we want to lynch then only option is pretty much the top 3 favourites.
(And i thought your motto was abstain on round 1 :inquisitive: )
pevergreen
11-24-2007, 07:25
no, when a player reachs 8 votes, they are lynched.
Vote: Andres
Gotta lynch someone :shrug:
Omanes Alexandrapolites
11-24-2007, 10:01
Current Tally:
Andres - 7 (kamikhaan, FactionHeir, Craterus, Ichigo, Cheetah, Brave_Sir_Robin, pevergreen)
Cheetah - 3 (Garciliaso de la Vega el Inca, Beefy187, Andres)
Brave_Sir_Robin - 2 (Killfr3nzy, Sarathos)
Garciliaso de la Vega el Inca - 1 (Dutch_guy)
FactionHeir - 1 (sapi)
Sarathos - 1 (Charge)
Twilightblade - 1 (shlin28)
Just so you know, one more vote on Andres will result in his lynching.
Beefy187
11-24-2007, 11:02
Gah dont vote for Greens.. They care way too much about environment and nothing alse... :wall:
:clown:
We are wasting time here...
Unvote,Vote Andres,
Might as well as get it over with :embarassed:
We are wasting time here...
Unvote,Vote Andres,
Might as well as get it over with :embarassed:
Didn't you read your pm? Thnx, "team mate"... :no:
Beefy187
11-25-2007, 00:15
One of the team mate is a mole right?
One of the team mate is a mole right?
Yeah, and first he voted our other team mate, TwilightBlade. Bah.
Beefy187
11-25-2007, 00:58
Great you just revealed our whole team :laugh4:
Bah im next up on Alphabetical thing anyways... :wall:
Voting for TB and stuff isnt gonna do much good Shlin.
Then why did not you vote for Andres?
Great you just revealed our whole team :laugh4:
If we believe the story of a dead man ...
Sarathos
11-25-2007, 04:05
Beefy is dead...?
Beefy187
11-25-2007, 04:56
Coz like Andres said his on my team... :sweatdrop:
And now that we revealed it we are kinda screwed (Oh no Hasashins.. Im just pulling a spartan :laugh4: )
Coz like Andres said his on my team... :sweatdrop:
And now that we revealed it we are kinda screwed (Oh no Hasashins.. Im just pulling a spartan :laugh4: )
*rolls eyes.
Like the mafia wouldn't know who we are anyway.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
11-25-2007, 08:34
Day I Conclusion
After Andres' name was called out for execution, and the crusaders had had a little argument over how to kill him, he was beheaded by the camps elected executioner. Sadly for Andres, the axe used was awfully blunt. To make matters worse the executioner wasn't very accurate when bringing the axe down. In the end it took sixteen blows to fully decapitate his head. Six of these strikes smashed into the back of his skull, resulting in the desert sands turning a deeper red and the air turning a rather deeper blue than predicted.
Current Tally:
Andres - 8 (kamikhaan, FactionHeir, Craterus, Ichigo, Cheetah, Brave_Sir_Robin, pevergreen, shlin28)
Cheetah - 3 (Garciliaso de la Vega el Inca, Beefy187, Andres)
Brave_Sir_Robin - 2 (Killfr3nzy, Sarathos)
Garciliaso de la Vega el Inca - 1 (Dutch_guy)
FactionHeir - 1 (sapi)
Sarathos - 1 (Charge)
Twilightblade - 1 (shlin28)
Alive (18)
Beefy187
Brave_Sir_Robin
Caterus
Charge
Cheetah
Dutch_guy
FactionHeir
Garciliaso de la Vega el Inca
Ichigo
kamikhaan
Killfr3nzy
pevergreen
RoadKill
sapi
Sarathos
shlin28
Twilightblade
Warmaster Horus
Lynched (1)
Andres (N1)
Night I begins. Orders must be in by around 12:30 (GMT) on Monday the 26th of November.
Yeah, and first he voted our other team mate, TwilightBlade. Bah.
Which is not correct because he voted me first. Would he (shlin) be a mole he could have voted you first without calling attention to himself.
Coz like Andres said his on my team... :sweatdrop:
It would be nice to hear shlin and twilightblade to confirm your version (i.e. that Anders, Beefy, shlin, and TB are in the same group).
Beefy187
11-26-2007, 07:49
And risk them getting killed too?
Dont think they would want too...
Omanes Alexandrapolites
11-26-2007, 13:36
Night I Conclusion
The expected never came - nothing happened! The following morning everybody woke up fine, uninjured and unharmed. A few had had some "encounters" with some strange characters, but, beyond that, non of the predicted attacks had occurred.
Day II begins! With eighteen alive, it takes eight votes upon one player to result in a lynch. Likewise it take eight votes for the "No Lynch" option for no lynch to occur.
Alive (18)
Beefy187
Brave_Sir_Robin
Caius*
Caterus
Charge
Cheetah
Dutch_guy
FactionHeir
Ichigo
kamikhaan
Killfr3nzy
pevergreen
RoadKill
sapi
Sarathos
shlin28
Twilightblade
Warmaster Horus
Lynched (1)
Andres (D1)
*formerly known as Garcilaso de la Vega el Inca
And risk them getting killed too?
Dont think they would want too...
Why would that be an extra risk? If we can believe to Andres your group is already revealed. Also, what is so special in your group?
So it is still would be nice to see Shlin and Twilightblade to confirm your story.
FoS : Roadkill
for inactivity
and something else...
FoS : Roadkill
for inactivity
and something else...
Care to elaborate?
Craterus
11-26-2007, 21:01
I'm going to vote: BSR. I thought he was scummier than Andres in the last round, far too defensive.
I can confirm that me, Andres, Beefy and Twilightblade were in a townie group. Although there may or may not be an mafia infiltrator.
I voted for Andres, because I see no way that his situation could be refused :embarassed:
Vote Roadkill, for lurking, and FOS all the other lurkers too.
No kill stupid move mafia.
I don't see how confirming your group, so far I haven't seen any reason why anyone's group would matter.
Well some people wanted me to confirm it! :sweatdrop:
@Omanes: will the description of the night events mention failed attacks?
What did the respective groups do last night? You don't have to reveal all, but maybe each group can chose a representative who tells us at the beginning of each day what they did the previous night?
The expected never came - nothing happened!
My group did nothing...
Hmmm...
Omanes Alexandrapolites
11-26-2007, 23:09
@Omanes: will the description of the night events mention failed attacks?Yes and no. If the victim was protected then yes it will be mentioned. If the attack failed for an alternative reason, then it probably will not be publically reported.
I see.
A few had had some "encounters" with some strange characters, but, beyond that, non of the predicted attacks had occurred.
So, it seems like there was something going on last night...
Nobody has anything to say about last night? Surely, there most be something to discuss...
FactionHeir
11-26-2007, 23:23
How about the mafia in each group countered the actions?
Sarathos
11-26-2007, 23:40
FoS : Roadkill
for inactivity
Now thats a little unfair, 50% of that alive list is inactive. I admit I have been a little, but RL cant really be helped. If you are going to vote for inactivity there are at least 10 options.
For that reason, I am going to Vote:TwilightBlade because he is inactive in Sapi's small mafia as well, still being his lurjer self....
How about the mafia in each group countered the actions?
That's a possibility. But in that case, there would have been a few killings, don't you think?
Beefy187
11-27-2007, 00:25
Its dangerous to confirm because we are townie group. Not mafia group. Therefore much easier to get wiped out. :sweatdrop:
I think the Hasashins werent allowed to move in N1.
FactionHeir
11-27-2007, 00:26
I think the Hasashins werent allowed to move in N1.
So how exactly do you know that
[edit]
According to information I gathered, it seems sapi is mafia.
I have asked Shlin to confirm. So far so good for Beefy ... in the lack of a better candidate:
vote: Roadkill
FactionHeir
11-27-2007, 00:32
vote:sapi
For above reasons. As for elaboration, one of the team bailed when trying to have at him. Only a fellow mafia would block a kill aimed at a mafia but wouldn't care if a non mafia were targeted. Also means one of my team is mafia.
Its dangerous to confirm because we are townie group. Not mafia group. Therefore much easier to get wiped out. :sweatdrop:
But the maffia already knows that you are not a maffia, do not you think so?
EDIT: nvm, FH already explained.
Beefy187
11-27-2007, 00:48
I suppose..K ill stop being paranoid.
Im guessing mafia also have 4 members in their group. So its not likely that all of them will forget to send night orders. Either they cant do it or they didnt do it.
Im suspecting Cheetah slightly
Im not convinced by FH that Sapi is the mafia. I think we should at least give Sapi chance to defend him self.
RoadKill
11-27-2007, 00:52
Noobs, shall we remember wat happens every single time when we lych RoadKill for lurking. I always lurk, if you guys still havn't figured that out. It's my style of playing. And I suppose if I post more frequently people are going to say that I am posting more then usual sayng that i am suspicious and lynch me too.
Vote: Chetah for joining a lousy bandwagon that had no proof against me. Die mafia scum.
I am not maffia. I am glad you explained yourself.
unvote Roadkill
Killfr3nzy
11-27-2007, 03:37
My group has only three people......:juggle2:
Also, the reason you hide who's in your group is because;
If the number of living players in a group drops to one individual, then the group cannot act.
For now, I'ma Vote:Sarathos.
Stop trying to eliminate fellow school players. :laugh4:
Beefy187
11-27-2007, 08:00
Vote: RK
Whether its your playing style or not.. Lurking is not the way...
However you are more active then usual so ill unvote you later
vote:sapi
For above reasons. As for elaboration, one of the team bailed when trying to have at him. Only a fellow mafia would block a kill aimed at a mafia but wouldn't care if a non mafia were targeted. Also means one of my team is mafia.
Your word against mine; and besides, how are we supposed to know that it wasn't you who bailed?
If you have some sort of arguable accusation, feel free to go right ahead, and I'll defend myself ~:)
Your word against mine; and besides, how are we supposed to know that it wasn't you who bailed?
If you have some sort of arguable accusation, feel free to go right ahead, and I'll defend myself ~:)
But in the meanwhile, now that you are here, maybe you can give us your version of what happened?
Vote: RK
Whether its your playing style or not.. Lurking is not the way...
However you are more active then usual so ill unvote you later
And when exactly are you going to unvote him? If he makes another post? Or are you going to unvote him no matter what because you said so now?
I don't really understand ~:confused:
And why RK? There are an awful lot of other players who have posted less then him... In fact, you can hardly call RK a "lurker" in this game.
But in the meanwhile, now that you are here, maybe you can give us your version of what happened?I'm not in his group; until and unless someone from that group confirms what may, or may not, have happened, I've got nothing to explain...
I'm not in his group; until and unless someone from that group confirms what may, or may not, have happened, I've got nothing to explain...
Why would you wait for your other team mates? Since someone bailed out, you can't trust them anymore, can you?
Might as well give some additional information to go on. Besides, a little bit more discussion won't harm the town.
Why would you wait for your other team mates? Since someone bailed out, you can't trust them anymore, can you?
Might as well give some additional information to go on. Besides, a little bit more discussion won't harm the town.
I'm waiting for his team mates, considering that (unless I've read something wrong) he tried a nightkill on me (seems an odd thing to do considering the odds, but that's beside the point).
I knew nothing about it until then.
For above reasons. As for elaboration, one of the team bailed when trying to have at him. Only a fellow mafia would block a kill aimed at a mafia but wouldn't care if a non mafia were targeted. Also means one of my team is mafia.
Why did you guys want to kill sapi on night 1 in the first place? Can you quote a suspicious post he made in round 1? Did he send a suspicious pm to somebody? Surely, you must have had a reason to perform a vigilante kill on him?
Also, 1 of your team mates is to be distrusted. You are in your team as well, aren't you? How can you guarantee us that it isn't you who infiltrated your group?
Beefy187
11-27-2007, 10:08
Sapi might have a powerful townie role. Or he was randomly chosen but randomly protected.
Eitherway I trust Sapi over FH and I will vote for FH unless he comes up with a convincing arguement.
Vote: FH
FactionHeir
11-27-2007, 10:35
Why we wanted sapi dead? No reason, just a vigilante kill, kind of like Day 1.
While I'm not sure which of my team bailed from the kill, (because we all communiacted via PM and were told one of us bailed) what is so difficult in seeing that only a mafioso would bail from a kill, if it was aimed at a fellow mafioso. Do you really think a mafioso would bail from a kill aimed at a townie and make himself suspicious?
Now, other than that one of my team protected sapi by not doing as they said they had, there is of course not much more I can say that confirms his mafianess.
And as I said, that means one of my team is mafia as well, but it would be more difficult to find which one it is at the moment, and probably easier after this turn.
Do you really think a mafioso would bail from a kill aimed at a townie and make himself suspicious?
You mean, make the target of the kill suspicious ~;)
Why we wanted sapi dead? No reason, just a vigilante kill, kind of like Day 1.
Only the mafia is supposed to kill without any good reason... This doesn't make sense. As far as I'm concerned, vigilante taking lucky shots are as dangerous as the mafia themselves. You guys did realise that by killing a random target, you might as well kill an important pro-town role?
:inquisitive:
I don't like your explanation.
While I'm not sure which of my team bailed from the kill, (because we all communiacted via PM and were told one of us bailed) what is so difficult in seeing that only a mafioso would bail from a kill, if it was aimed at a fellow mafioso. Do you really think a mafioso would bail from a kill aimed at a townie and make himself suspicious?
WIFOM. + there are alot of alternative explanations: a) maybe you guys are the mafia group, afraid to perform a kill because you don't want to get caught? b) a team mate simply forgot to send in his orders c) real life interfered and a team mate didn't have acces to a pc and couldn't send in his orders in time d) what sapi said ...
And as I said, that means one of my team is mafia as well, but it would be more difficult to find which one it is at the moment, and probably easier after this turn.
Why is that?
FactionHeir
11-27-2007, 11:36
Of course it doesn't necessarily help, but its a mafia game and we are here to have fun.
a) you wouldn't know tbh other than me saying that we aren't a mafia-only group.
b) All of them told me they sent their orders
c) see b
d) Then why would one of the team be lying?
What do you mean with why is that? Btw, would a mafia really go as obvious to get someone voted out, rather than a concerned townie group?
I do not think that we can make an informed decision in the FH vs Sapi debate. It is still the word of FH vs the word of Sapi.
Moreover, it was admittedly a random choice. So just because some bailed out of a random kill it does not mean that Sapi is an assassin.
IMO it would be more interesting to hear what story has Charge against Roadkill.
Also, I think that it is silly that we have to lynch someone regardless of the lack of proof we have. Why cannot we just move on if we do not have sufficient votes within 24 hrs? As it stands we will lynch the whole brotherhood without the assasins moving a finger ... I bet they are laughing hard watching the confused townies lynching each other.
FactionHeir
11-27-2007, 12:20
You speak true Cheetah, but why would someone bail out of a random kill and claim that they had sent their orders in as suggested? That smells scummy to me.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
11-27-2007, 13:58
Players can vote no lynch if they wish to. It will just take eight players to vote for the option for no death to actually take place at the conclusion of the day phase. I probably didn't publicise that very well - sorry ~:(
Thx. I feel much better. ~:)
As it stands (i.e. unless someone comes up with a solid proof):
vote: no lynch
We won't win the game without lynching mafiosi...
And waiting for proof won't help the town either. We have to discuss, force people to take a stand and then we lynch, based on analysis of posts. Off course, we will be lynching a couple of townies. But that's no big deal. The advantage of the town lays in its' numbers. We can afford a few mistakes.
The discussion generated by the lynching will give us additional clues and additional information to analyse.
As it stands (i.e. unless someone comes up with a solid proof):
vote: no lynch
That statement is in fact an argument against discussion.
Suspicious...
We won't win the game without lynching mafiosi...
but we won't win the game by lynching random people either ....
And waiting for proof won't help the town either. We have to discuss, force people to take a stand and then we lynch, based on analysis of posts. Off course, we will be lynching a couple of townies. But that's no big deal. The advantage of the town lays in its' numbers. We can afford a few mistakes.
I do not think so. By lynching random townies you give away this very advantage.
The discussion generated by the lynching will give us additional clues and additional information to analyse.
I won't bet on it. Did your lyncing give us any useful clues?
That statement is in fact an argument against discussion.
My statement is an argument against lyncing random people. I never said anything against discussing the situation.
Suspicious...
A mafioso would be the most happy to lynch random townies, do not you think?
Dutch_guy
11-27-2007, 17:00
That's a possibility. But in that case, there would have been a few killings, don't you think?
Not only that, but I would say at least some sort of explanation of said dubious event(s) would have been given by Omanes. The simple story is that nothing happened, at all except some behind the scenes activity.
As it stands (i.e. unless someone comes up with a solid proof):
I understand where you're coming from, but keep in mind that lynching no one won't get us anywhere, and gives us one less opportunity to kill a potential mafioso.
:balloon2:
Craterus
11-27-2007, 20:48
Vote tally:
Brave Sir Robin - 1 (Craterus)
RoadKill - 2 (shlin28, Beefy?)
TwilightBladeB - 1 (Sarathos)
sapi - 1 (FactionHeir)
Cheetah - 1 (RoadKill)
FactionHeir - 1 (Beefy?)
No Lynch - 1 (Cheetah)
Beefy forgot to unvote so just thought I'd check that one.
but we won't win the game by lynching random people either ....
I do not think so. By lynching random townies you give away this very advantage.
I won't bet on it. Did your lyncing give us any useful clues?
My statement is an argument against lyncing random people. I never said anything against discussing the situation.
A mafioso would be the most happy to lynch random townies, do not you think?
What is the last statement's purpose? Is it accusing Andres (and consequently me, Beefy and TwilightBlade) of being mafia? Random voting sometimes do work you know :inquisitive:
Beefy187
11-28-2007, 00:23
Sorry I unvoted RK.. Although something in me tells me that RK is one of the scums..
Unvote: RK Vote: FH
And I didnt like the tone of Cheetahs statement.. It sounded like a nice bloke with mafia suit and sunglasses telling one of the kids in the park "Stay away from our don" in a nice way.
FOS: Cheetah
Sarathos
11-28-2007, 00:25
Is it accusing Andres (and consequently me, Beefy and TwilightBlade) of being mafia? :
And how is that? Maybe Cheetah is right and you are all mafia, getting a bit touchy are we....
Unvote:TB,Random vote:Shlin28 lets see if it does work.
Beefy187
11-28-2007, 00:44
lol
If we are a mafia you wouldnt be alive Sarathos.
Twilightblade
11-28-2007, 01:56
Hmmm I dont know about that beefy killing off ppl who you know in RL is dangerous but i spose that I'd go with it anyway
Somehow, the mafia is/are lurkers.
Vote:WH
What is the last statement's purpose? Is it accusing Andres (and consequently me, Beefy and TwilightBlade) of being mafia? Random voting sometimes do work you know :inquisitive:
Someone is a bit touchy here I agree. I said that last sentence in my defense.
And I didnt like the tone of Cheetahs statement.. It sounded like a nice bloke with mafia suit and sunglasses telling one of the kids in the park "Stay away from our don" in a nice way.
FOS: Cheetah
I have never defended anyone in particular. I am just against random voting ... geez never thought that random lyncing is soooooo popular. :wall:
ps. what does FOS mean?
Somehow, the mafia is/are lurkers.
Vote:WH
Good point, as it would explain why the maffia made no moves on the first night.
And the only person who have not posted here as yet is Warmaster Horus.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
11-28-2007, 08:22
ps. what does FOS mean?FoS stands for "Finger of Suspition". Its usually used as a way of showing one's suspicions without voting for somebody. ~:)
Cheetah is acting suspicious...
Sarathos
11-28-2007, 11:57
If we are a mafia you wouldnt be alive Sarathos.
So if I get killed next phase I know why...
Why are you guys not lynching Cheetah?
Brave Sir Robin, why are you not voting Cheetah? Is there a better option in your opinion? And what's your opinion on Craterus, pevergreen, Dutch_guy, Killfr3nzy, Twilightblade, RoadKill, kamikhaan and Warmaster Horus?
Is their lurking bothering you?
Lurking is out of charachter, especially for pevergreen, Warmaster Horus and Craterus...
:inquisitive:
Why should they lynch me? Unbelievable ...
What can you bring up against me other than not wanting to lynch random townsfolk?
Tell me a good reason to lynch someone and I will support it.
Somehow, the mafia is/are lurkers.
Vote:WH
Actually this is a good reason.
vote: WH
Warmaster Horus
11-28-2007, 13:34
Meep! I've been busy. No other reason for my "lurking". I haven't been able to keep up, but later this afternoon (after a bit more work), I'm going to read the thread through.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
11-28-2007, 13:37
Tally:
Warmaster Horus - 2 (Cheetah, Caius)
Brave Sir Robin - 1 (Craterus)
Cheetah - 1 (RoadKill)
FactionHeir - 1 (Beefy187)
RoadKill - 1 (shlin28)
sapi - 1 (FactionHeir)
shlin28 - 1 (Sarathos)
Tratorix
11-28-2007, 20:52
We should be putting pressure votes on some of the lurkers. Eight votes are needed to lynch someone, and only eight people have voted so far this round. Without more participation, we're down to random lynchs.
Vote: pevergreen
This is gonna take a while... why don't we just pick one name out of all the lurkers and just lynch him? Waiting around arent gonna do us any better...
FactionHeir
11-28-2007, 23:12
According to Andres' new rules, there is a max time limit even if we don't get 8 votes.
Sarathos
11-28-2007, 23:51
This is gonna take a while...
Thats true, because lots of people are lurking/inactive and all the active players have spread out their votes it was take quite a long while just to lynch one person.
I have no real case against anyone, but since BSR pointed him out
Vote:pevergreen rather unusual for you to be lurking.
pevergreen
11-29-2007, 00:57
Too long, did not read.
:creep: Im not lurking. Ive just not been posting as much.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
11-29-2007, 08:46
Tally:
Warmaster Horus - 2 (Cheetah, Caius)
pevergreen - 2 (Brave_Sir_Robin, Sarathos)
Brave Sir Robin - 1 (Craterus)
Cheetah - 1 (RoadKill)
FactionHeir - 1 (Beefy187)
RoadKill - 1 (shlin28)
sapi - 1 (FactionHeir)
shlin28 - 1 (Sarathos)
It seems I missed a certain part of Andres' new hosting rules. Henceforth, to comply, this day phase will end at 12:30 GMT on the 29th of November (today). If one character doesn't have eight votes, then no lynch will occur.
As of this day phase all day phases will last for up to 72 hours. If one person/option gains the required number of votes before the 72 hour mark is reached then the phase will end at that point. If they don't then the phase will end with no lynch 72 hours after the round began.
Too long, did not read.
:creep: Im not lurking. Ive just not been posting as much.
Only a mafioso would not take the effort to read all the posts in order to find out who is guilty...
Tally:
Warmaster Horus - 2 (Cheetah, Caius)
pevergreen - 2 (Brave_Sir_Robin, Sarathos)
Brave Sir Robin - 1 (Craterus)
Cheetah - 1 (RoadKill)
FactionHeir - 1 (Beefy187)
RoadKill - 1 (shlin28)
sapi - 1 (FactionHeir)
shlin28 - 1 (Sarathos)
Sarathos has two votes. Truly important person. ~;) ~;p
FactionHeir
11-29-2007, 11:01
I'm not sure whether its a good idea to drag out the game by making turns 72 hours AND no lynch if noone has the required number of votes. If it would result in no lynch, i would vote for turns ending 48 hours max. Else, if 72 hours, I would suggest lynching the one with the highest number of votes.
I'm not sure whether its a good idea to drag out the game by making turns 72 hours AND no lynch if noone has the required number of votes. If it would result in no lynch, i would vote for turns ending 48 hours max. Else, if 72 hours, I would suggest lynching the one with the highest number of votes.
That's up to the host.
FactionHeir
11-29-2007, 12:37
Obviously true, but that's my opinion on it anyway. Nothing wrong with trying to reason with the host.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
11-29-2007, 17:21
Day II Conclusion
As the sun set at the end of the day, no conclusion had been reached by the voting crusaders. Several were relieved at this, including yesterdays executioner, who was suffering from trauma from causing such pain to Andres. On the other hand though, several were not exactly impressed at the indecisiveness of the other crusaders.
Tally:
Warmaster Horus - 2 (Cheetah, Caius)
pevergreen - 2 (Brave_Sir_Robin, Sarathos)
Brave Sir Robin - 1 (Craterus)
Cheetah - 1 (RoadKill)
FactionHeir - 1 (Beefy187)
RoadKill - 1 (shlin28)
sapi - 1 (FactionHeir)
Sarathos - 1 (Killfr3nzy)
shlin28 - 1 (Sarathos)
Alive (18)
Beefy187
Brave_Sir_Robin
Caius*
Caterus
Charge
Cheetah
Dutch_guy
FactionHeir
Ichigo
kamikhaan
Killfr3nzy
pevergreen
RoadKill
sapi
Sarathos
shlin28
Twilightblade
Warmaster Horus
Lynched (1)*
Andres (D1)
Night II begins! All players who can and wish to act must send in their PMs by about 16:30 (GMT) on the 30th of November.
*no lynch occurred on Day II
Craterus
11-29-2007, 19:34
Just to answer for my inactivity: I was out last night watching a certain comedian so didn't really have a chance to check in here.
As for some input on the game so far... hmmm. I haven't really got any ideas so far. BSR is a suspect for me because I thought he seemed a bit too defensive in the first round but that's all really.
Very peaceful game so far. ~:)
Omanes Alexandrapolites
11-30-2007, 17:56
Night II Conclusion
shlin28 was sitting in his tent with a relatively strong desert wind blowing on the outside. He was sleepy, and kept gradually drifting in and out of his slumber, trying to keep watch to ensure that he was safe.
This tactic, unfortunately for him, failed to work. All of a sudden, straight after awaking for yet another time, he heard his name called. It was a harsh whisper, which seemed to travel and surround him like the wind.
Before he knew what had happened to him, a sword was plunged through the side of his tent, leaving a gaping tear in its side. It missed shlin by inches, who ducked just in time. The armed assailant repetitively continued his attack, while shlin continued moving urgently out of the way of each individual stab, each one ripping the tent to shreds.
Suddenly, all went silent. He heard the sound of fading bear feet on the sand, and thought he saw a cloaked figure walking away. shlin, although still concerned for his safety, placed his head outside of his tent to look around to ensure the attacker really had left. This was an unwise move - as the noise of the wind calmed, the whistling of an arrow filled the air. shlin only saw it when it lodged itself in his left eye, spilling blood across the sand as he cried in pain.
The assailant walked up to shlin's face and looked at it deeply. He was dressed like a stereotypical Eastern Assassin - a covered face with a simple head dress. Just before shlin breathed his final breath, he took a large bow, and walked away.
*****
Day III begins! With seventeen alive, it takes eight votes upon one player to result in a lynch. Likewise it take eight votes for the "No Lynch" option for no lynch to occur. If no conclusion has been met after 72 hours, no lynch will occur.
Alive (17)
Beefy187
Brave_Sir_Robin
Caius
Caterus
Charge
Cheetah
Dutch_guy
FactionHeir
Ichigo
kamikhaan
Killfr3nzy
pevergreen
RoadKill
sapi
Sarathos
Twilightblade
Warmaster Horus
Lynched (1)*
Andres (D1)
Killed (1)**
shlin28 (N2)
*No lynch occurred on Day II
** No deaths occurred on Night I
Two of the following individuals will be WoGed, as in removed from play, at random should they fail to make any posts this phase. This is regardless of role or team:
Dutch_guy
kamikhaan
pevergreen
Twilightblade
Warmaster Horus
This list was generated from players who failed to vote last round, and have under five posts in the thread.
Warmaster Horus
11-30-2007, 20:02
Yep, well... Replace me if you can. ie if someone usually active isn't playing right now. If you cant', then... WoG me with one of the others. I'm going to be too busy to follow mafia for some time I fear.
Curse economics and history for that, guys.
:wall:
People believe our story bout our group now?
Beefy187
12-01-2007, 01:09
Well its rather too late isnt it?
Cant do anything by my self.. :laugh4:
Might as well lynch me like the original alphabetical plan...:sweatdrop:
Craterus
12-01-2007, 02:27
Might as well lynch me like the original alphabetical plan...:sweatdrop:
Ok :2thumbsup: vote: Beefy
This may change though.
pevergreen
12-01-2007, 11:01
Vote: pevergreen
Forgot to send in orders. Suicide ok Omanes?
Dutch_guy
12-01-2007, 13:41
Ok :2thumbsup: vote: Beefy
This may change though.
That pretty much guarantees you won't make it to the endgame, but I'm just going to assume you know as much :beam:
As for a vote, I'd like to hear Ichigo's thoughts on the game thus far. Why did the mafia miss their kills two days ago, and what does this one kill last night mean ? Did we get just lucky with Andres (I very much doubt that) or not.
Vote: Ichigo.
:balloon2:
Craterus
12-01-2007, 15:52
Hmm, I don't think so. Mafia could play the reverse-psychology "why-don't-you-all-just-vote-me?" card.
And, if he's the last of his group, he can't act from now on anyway. As I understand it.
EDIT: Although, that's quite the reason not to vote for him... I'll think about it.
Dutch_guy
12-01-2007, 18:07
Hmm, I don't think so. Mafia could play the reverse-psychology "why-don't-you-all-just-vote-me?" card.
Perhaps, but it's a dangerous card to play if there are no alternatives. Say in rounds like these.
:balloon2:
seireikhaan
12-01-2007, 18:34
Vote: Cheetah
I'm not quite sure why he wasn't lynched last round.
Vote: Cheetah
I'm not quite sure why he wasn't lynched last round.
and I am not quite sure why they should have lynched me ... Could you enlighten me?
Beefy187
12-02-2007, 02:15
No im not the last one..
Me and TB except TB is lurking so I cant do much...:wall:
I'd like to know more reasons for that vote, ghaan.
seireikhaan
12-02-2007, 07:46
A) Using WIFOM for arguments.
B) Doing a no vote, until someone's confirmed guilty(which is rather rare)
C) Andres has said so, his judgment's pretty sound usually. :shrug:
That pretty much guarantees you won't make it to the endgame, but I'm just going to assume you know as much :beam:
As for a vote, I'd like to hear Ichigo's thoughts on the game thus far. Why did the mafia miss their kills two days ago, and what does this one kill last night mean ? Did we get just lucky with Andres (I very much doubt that) or not.
Vote: Ichigo.
:balloon2:
Vote:Cheetah
Seems kinda early for you to be voting don't you think DG?
Cheetah is displaying classic mafia behavior imho. Neutral posts, votes using other's reasoning, etc.
As to the FH vs. Sapi. I think it's possible that one of the people in his group forgot and with FH's witch hunt, I think that his teammate would obviously be scared to admit his blunder for fear of being lynched. Of course this is only a theory and if FH questioned his partners before posting then he's probably right that one of them is guilty.
If he did, then one of the people in FH's team is guilty as well as Sapi. He should reveal his teammate's and we can review their post's to figure out which one is guilty. If he refuses then we'll have to lynch him since there's a 33% chance that he's the guilty one of the group, but I doubt he'll refuse.
Dutch_guy
12-02-2007, 12:35
Vote:Cheetah
Seems kinda early for you to be voting don't you think DG?
As to the FH vs. Sapi. I think it's possible that one of the people in his group forgot and with FH's witch hunt, I think that his teammate would obviously be scared to admit his blunder for fear of being lynched. Of course this is only a theory and if FH questioned his partners before posting then he's probably right that one of them is guilty.
If he did, then one of the people in FH's team is guilty as well as Sapi. He should reveal his teammate's and we can review their post's to figure out which one is guilty. If he refuses then we'll have to lynch him since there's a 33% chance that he's the guilty one of the group, but I doubt he'll refuse.
Well I suppose it is, but perhaps it's time to change my style just a little. Besides, it's never too early to start pressure-voting :2thumbsup:
That said, interesting theory. I'd like to hear FH on it.
:balloon2:
Craterus
12-02-2007, 15:20
I may have asked this once before, but I've forgotten. WIFOM?
EDIT2: It's in the FAQ. And, for the record, I think it's stupid.
Vote Tally (maybe people could copy and paste so its not too difficult?)
Cheetah - 2 (kamikhaan, Ichigo)
Beefy187 - 1 (Craterus)
pevergreen - 1 (pevergreen)
Ichigo - 1 (DG)
EDIT: And we have 2 and a half hours to lynch. Officially. Probably a bit over though, I'd imagine.
A) Using WIFOM for arguments.
What is WIFOM?
B) Doing a no vote, until someone's confirmed guilty(which is rather rare)
So you want to kill me because I am rare? :wall: Have not you heard anything about diversity and the protection of rare species? ~;p ~;)
About the no vote: I have already explained it several times, lynching random people helps the maffia, that is why I do not want to do it.
C) Andres has said so, his judgment's pretty sound usually. :shrug:
Usually .. but not this time ~;p also his argument entirely rests on your 2. point, i.e. on the no vote, which I have already explained several times.
FactionHeir and sapi, why the sudden silence?
And I still think Cheetah is guilty.
But I'm afraid the town will lose this game because of lack of participation.
*sigh*
Omanes Alexandrapolites
12-02-2007, 19:27
Current Tally:
Cheetah - 2 (kamikhaan, Ichigo)
Beefy187 - 1 (Craterus)
pevergreen - 1 (pevergreen)
Ichigo - 1 (Dutch_guy)
Current Potential WoG/Replacement Victims:
Twilightblade (guarenteed WoG should he fail to vote or make a post this phase)
pevergreen and Warmaster Horus, who both wish to commit suicide, will be killed either at the end of this round, or the moment I find somebody to replace them. This will be which ever comes first. It will more than likely result in the former, since my mass PMing of semi-randomly selected individuals who I felt may be interested hasn't resulted in much success.
FactionHeir
12-02-2007, 19:43
Because I just got back from an AED training course that happened to last the who day.
Anyway, I haven't hearda t all from my teammates last night, so I might as well lay it open. I'm sure Charge and Roadkill would like to give you their accounts too.
Craterus
12-02-2007, 22:00
So, how long till the end of the round? I'm guessing we may as well lynch someone.
FactionHeir
12-02-2007, 22:04
vote: Cheetah
For above reasons.
And I still think Cheetah is guilty.
You are seriously misguiding yourself. What is worse that you are misguiding others as well ...
Upto date you could not give any serious reason why you think that I am a mafioso.
I just cannot belive that after the debacle of the previous game https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=89630, where you did the same mistake (i.e. you insisted to lynch an innocent townie based on your "feelings", which lead to an ignomious defeat for the town) people are still ready to belive to you ...
Aslo, you are a bit too inluental for a dead man, dont you think? :laugh4:
vote: Cheetah
For above reasons.
What reasons? :inquisitive:
No one could give any sensible reason so far.
Instead of hunting an innocent and rare species you guys should start tracking down the assasins else it will be too late!!!
Killfr3nzy
12-03-2007, 01:49
Vote:Cheeta.
He's too defensive. Also, learn to multi-quote/edit please.
Beefy187
12-03-2007, 02:19
Me too
Vote: Cheetah
You sounds like me in first few games... You look extremely scummy but you might be innocent.:sweatdrop:
Vote:Cheeta.
He's too defensive.
How can be someone "too defensive" when the angry mob is about to lynch him ??? :wall: Do not you think that an innocent townie would be "too defensive" as well?
Also, give me a bloody logical reason why I should be lynched.
Me too
Vote: Cheetah
You sounds like me in first few games... You look extremely scummy but you might be innocent.:sweatdrop:
Tell me, how on earth can you trust Andres when he messed up the previous game exactly the same way?
Omanes Alexandrapolites
12-03-2007, 08:15
Current Tally:
Cheetah - 5 (kamikhaan, Ichigo, Killfr3nzy, Beefy187, FactionHeir)
Beefy187 - 1 (Craterus)
Ichigo - 1 (Dutch_guy)
This round will end at about 16:30 GMT on the 3rd of December (today). If one individual fails to have eight votes, there will be no lynch.
I would rather see a lynch than not; actually doing something exponentially increases our chances of lynching a mafia :grin2:
Vote: Cheetah
Beefy187
12-03-2007, 08:29
Coz Andres is on my team and I know im innocent:sweatdrop:
Craterus
12-03-2007, 09:57
unvote Beefy, vote Ichigo
Just to see what happens to the Cheetah 'bandwagon.'
Current Tally:
Cheetah - 5 (kamikhaan, Ichigo, Killfr3nzy, Beefy187, sapi)
Ichigo - 2 (Dutch_guy, Craterus)
Omanes Alexandrapolites
12-03-2007, 13:23
While in mid discussion, pevergreen suddenly had a violent fit and landed upon the desert sand, twisting and turning in the most peculiar of manners. After a few moments, these actions ceased, and pevergreen simply lay dead and still upon the ground. A crude post mortem revealed that he had died of sunstroke.
Fortunately, a few moments later, another crusader (or possibly disguised Hashashin), edyzmedieval, stumbled into camp claiming to have got lost when the crusaders originally fled from the place of their final defeat.
Alive (17)
Beefy187
Brave_Sir_Robin
Caius
Caterus
Charge
Cheetah
Dutch_guy
edyzmedieval
FactionHeir
Ichigo
kamikhaan
Killfr3nzy
RoadKill
sapi
Sarathos
Twilightblade
Warmaster Horus
Replaced (1)
pevergreen (edyzmedieval - D3)
Lynched (1)
Andres (D1)
Killed (1)
shlin28 (N2)
Current Potential WoG/Replacement Victims:
Twilightblade (guarenteed WoG should he fail to vote or make a post this phase)
edyzmedieval has replaced pevergreen. Day III will now continue as normal.
Day III will now continue as normal.
Errr, is it day III or night III?
Just in case I would die for whatever reason ...:juggle2:
Our group is Ichigo, sapi and me.
IMO sapi is the mole in the group becase of FH's report. If you guys want to do something useful then vote sapi and kill a mole.
vote: sapi
ps. more detailed analysis coming, atm do not have time for more.
FactionHeir
12-03-2007, 14:54
Hmm and sapi is voting you too. Very scummy.
Unvote: Cheeah, vote: sapi
Just in case I would die for whatever reason ...:juggle2:
Our group is Ichigo, sapi and me.
IMO sapi is the mole in the group becase of FH's report. If you guys want to do something useful then vote sapi and kill a mole.
vote: sapi
ps. more detailed analysis coming, atm do not have time for more.
Why did you wait until now to reveal this information?
I don't buy this. It smells too much like a desperate attempt to survive yet another day.
I'd like to hear Ichigo and sapi on this though.
As for now, I still think lynching Cheetah is the best option.
Hmm and sapi is voting you too. Very scummy.
Unvote: Cheeah, vote: sapi
Hmmm... Interesting :inquisitive:
Craterus
12-03-2007, 15:20
unvote Ichigo, vote sapi
No time to talk though. Back later.
We need 8 votes to lynch... 3 or 4 votes for sapi and 3 or 4 for Cheetah won't get us anywhere.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
12-03-2007, 16:54
Current Tally:
Cheetah - 5 (kamikhaan, Ichigo, Killfr3nzy, Beefy187, sapi)
sapi - 3 (FactionHeir, Cheetah, Craterus)
Ichigo - 1 (Dutch_guy)
This phase will end in aproximately 1 hour.
Why did you wait until now to reveal this information?
I don't buy this. It smells too much like a desperate attempt to survive yet another day.
As for now, I still think lynching Cheetah is the best option.
I have waited so far because:
1, I was hoping that I could use the situation to our advantage (i.e. that I had a hint about who could be the mole in our group). I was hoping for a short of situation where we can get to the assasins through sapi (i.e. where we can get more than just a "mole").
2, I was interested to see whether he would return the favour that I defended him against the accusation that he is an assasin (which he is clearly not, cos he is just a mole). A fellow monk would have returned the favour, however, as FH noted sapi voted against me.
3, Since my life was at danger I could not wait any longer as a dead cannot reveal personal info not available to the others; so at this point I had to come up with all I know.
You still have not given any good reason why they should lynch me.
To sum up the situation: we already know 3 groups.
1, Andres, shlin, Beefy, TB
2, FH, Charge, RK
3, Ichigo, sapi and me
The first group is already disfuntional, as IMO either Beefy or TB is a mole (more likely TB). Our group would become disfuctional if I am lynched as sapi is the likely mole.
The logical move for the maffia is to target FH's group, since they have a mole there too, they can easily neutralise the group by killing one townie, FH seems to be the most obvious choice.
In case I am not lynched I can be a possible target too since it is only me arguing against random lynching.
Also, please note that because of the moles the maffia already knows the groups. So the only one that can lose by not revealing the groups is us, the town. Since probably there are 5 or 6 townie group one or two people revealing their groups would be enough to know the group structure. Of course, one of the remaining groups is the assasin group. Simply revealing of the groups wont tell us which one it is, but at least we can easily narrow down the search when we have more evidence.
Please also note that we started out with 19 people (right? or was it 20 ... hm). If we assume 5 or 6 groups that is at least 3 or 4 moles. Plus two or thee assasins it gives at least 7 mafiosos! We have already had two innocent people killed. So most likely than not we have something like 10 townies vs 7 maffiosos. If we lynch an innocent townie this turn and they kill one more at night, it will be 8 vs 7! One more kill and the town wont be able to get a majority vote. So, despite claims to the contrary we clearly cannot afford to lynch innocent townies.
RoadKill
12-03-2007, 18:00
Tis game is getting really confusing.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
12-03-2007, 18:21
Day III Conclusion:
As the sun set on yet another day, the crusaders discussion had yet again yeilded no conclusion. After a few grumblings at how they would never lynch the infiltrators should they continue like this, the majority wandered back to their tents to turn in for the night.
A few individuals remained at the gathering point a little longer though, mainly to watch the beauty of the Middle Eastern sunset. Twilightblade, who was among this group, was too enthralled by this sight to move out of the way of a wandering camel who was moving through the camp, and so was brutally trampled, leaving a terribly scarred corpse upon the desert floor.
Tally:
Cheetah - 5 (kamikhaan, Ichigo, Killfr3nzy, Beefy187, sapi)
sapi - 3 (FactionHeir, Cheetah, Craterus)
Ichigo - 1 (Dutch_guy)
Alive (16)
Beefy187
Brave_Sir_Robin
Caius
Caterus
Charge
Cheetah
Dutch_guy
edyzmedieval
FactionHeir
Ichigo
kamikhaan
Killfr3nzy
RoadKill
sapi
Sarathos
Warmaster Horus
Replaced (1)
pevergreen (edyzmedieval - D3)
Lynched (1)
Andres (D1)
Killed (1)
shlin28 (N2)
WoGed (1)
Twilightblade
Night III begins. Orders must be in by 17:15 GMT on the 4th of December.
Warmaster Horus' position has had interest shown in it. Due to this, in case the interested member does wish to accept the role, he will not be removed from play till the end of this night phase.
We might have a problem here. Namely the townie role characters, which may or may not be part of the townie groups. If they are not, then revealing all the groups might not be a good idea ... though it depends who can kill whom faster ... and how large majority the town has atm in the votes.
FactionHeir
12-03-2007, 20:52
:furious3: :wall:
Care to formulate that in a way everyone else can understand?
I don't see why he revealed our group. Stupid move imho.
I think Charge is the mole in your group.
Beefy187
12-04-2007, 03:27
we couldnt have done anything anyway with Andres lynched D1 and TB innactive..
Wish me luck :laugh4:
I have waited so far because:
1, I was hoping that I could use the situation to our advantage (i.e. that I had a hint about who could be the mole in our group). I was hoping for a short of situation where we can get to the assasins through sapi (i.e. where we can get more than just a "mole").
2, I was interested to see whether he would return the favour that I defended him against the accusation that he is an assasin (which he is clearly not, cos he is just a mole). A fellow monk would have returned the favour, however, as FH noted sapi voted against me.
3, Since my life was at danger I could not wait any longer as a dead cannot reveal personal info not available to the others; so at this point I had to come up with all I know.
You still have not given any good reason why they should lynch me.
I know I'm innocent, and we've come to the conclusion that there is a mole in each townie group.
Therefore, there's a 50% chance that you're guilty. That's a worthwhile bet, imho.
Who has come to that conclusion? That would equal what 8 mafia? There would be almost no chance of winning.
pevergreen
12-04-2007, 16:06
:yes:
:bounce:
Yeah, Im getting back at Ichigo by posting once. And it comprises of this message. And FACES!
:whip:
Omanes Alexandrapolites
12-04-2007, 17:53
Night III Conclusion
edyzmedieval had received a strange note just before he had gone to sleep that evening. It told him to meet "me", whoever "me" was, just outside the camp to discuss the happenings over the days prior to his arrival.
Despite the fact that the note was unsigned, he decided to meet with this character anyhow. He left his tent at midnight, as the note instructed him to and moved towards the arranged point.
As he walked across the sands towards the meeting place, he couldn't help distrust his judgement and think that perhaps he was a little too hasty in making his choices. When he saw a man in chainmail waving to him in the moonlight though, these thoughts were expelled from his mind.
But, just before he reached the man, he felt the ground loosen between his feet. Before he knew what had happened, he was in a deep sandy pit, clearly dug there to trap him.
The chainmailed man ripped off his clearly stolen armour and laughed evily at edyz's mistake. Underneath this outer garment he was wearing green robes with his face shadowed by his headress. edyz, having seen this sort of clothing many times before, knew what he was facing.
As the mysterious man lifted a bow from behind his back, loaded it, and began firing at edyz, he knew that his time was up. Five arrows hit him in his chest, and a further three wedged themselves into his legs and arms. As edyz bled to death in pain, the assailant walked away, amused at his success.
****
That morning, it was revealed that there had been a fight of some form the previous night. Another crusader, or disguised hashasin, Bijo, had arrived in camp, being chased by several armed men. One man, Warmaster Horus, had seen this, and had fought them off, but was mortally wounded in the process.
Day IV begins! With fifteen alive it takes seven votes to be placed upon one player for a lynch to occur. Likewise, it takes seven votes to be placed upon the no lynch option for no lynch to occur. If no selection has been made after 72 hours (approximately 17:00 GMT on the 7th of December), then the round will end with no lynch.
Alive (15)
Beefy187
Bijo
Brave_Sir_Robin
Caius
Caterus
Charge
Cheetah
Dutch_guy
FactionHeir
Ichigo
kamikhaan
Killfr3nzy
RoadKill
sapi
Sarathos
Replaced (2)
pevergreen (edyzmedieval - D3)
Warmaster Horus (Bijo - N4)
Lynched (1)
Andres (D1)
Killed (2)
shlin28 (N2)
edyzmedieval (N3)
WoGed (1)
Twilightblade
Potential WoG/Replacement Victims
Caius
Sarathos
Charge
Brave_Sir_Robin
RoadKill
This list has been generated from players who failed to vote last round, and have under ten posts in the thread (the average). Two of these individuals will be randomly selected for the WoG should they fail to post upon this day phase.
FactionHeir
12-04-2007, 18:53
vote: sapi
Continuing on from last turn.
Craterus
12-04-2007, 19:54
vote sapi. But I'd like to hear his argument.
See above.
Craterus
12-04-2007, 23:13
Vote:Charge
because...
He has been active in other forums, and not here. He posted 4 hours ago his last post. He could be hiding.
RoadKill
12-05-2007, 01:03
Vote: Charge Die mole
Hiding? I'm damn busy with modding right now ...
Besides there are more 'hiding' people.
Vote: sapi
Almost sure he's a mole, and got 3 votes already, good chance to lynch mafioso, isn't?
BTW, FoS: Caius
Unless you'll give reason why me instead of sapi ;
Any chances you'r mafioso too? :inquisitive:
Vote: Charge Die mole
Another mole ? I'm sure you are.
*sigh
Vote: FH - it's your word against mine, and I sure as hell know who's telling the truth here :whip:
Omanes Alexandrapolites
12-05-2007, 09:31
Current Tally:
sapi - 4 (FactionHeir, Craterus, Cheetah, Charge)
Charge - 2 (RoadKill, Caius)
FactionHeir - 1 (sapi)
Potential WoG/Replacement Victims
Sarathos
Brave_Sir_Robin
Both are a guaranteed WoG should they fail to cast a vote this round.
Beefy187
12-05-2007, 12:39
Vote: Charge
Need more arguement before lynching. Might as well tie the vote.
Why would we need more arguments? We have a clear story vs sapi which was not contradicted neither by Charge nor by RK. On the other hand we do not have anything against Charge except a shady accusation by Caius.
What we need though is the town to be more active. There is large number of people not voting. Sure way to lose.
Vote: Charge
Need more arguement before lynching. Might as well tie the vote.
If the townies keep distributing their votes over several candidates, there will be no lynch.
This is getting frustrating. And what exactly is the case against Charge? Or against sapi for that matter?
Why would we need more arguments? We have a clear story vs sapi which was not contradicted neither by Charge nor by RK. On the other hand we do not have anything against Charge except a shady accusation by Caius.
Meh, the "case" against sapi is based on an insinuation made by FactionHeir based on a possible interpretation of events on night 1.
Wasn't it you who advocated that we should only lynch if we are 100 % sure of someone's guilt? Why the sudden change of heart? Or does that rule only apply when it is you who is getting lynched :inquisitive:
What we need though is the town to be more active. There is large number of people not voting. Sure way to lose.
Why did you add that? To appear pro-town?
I think Cheetah would be a much better option to lynch. And how about lynching FactionHeir? If you are going to lynch sapi, you might as well lynch FH too.
Andres, when will you give up? :wall: When will you notice that you are playing to the hands the maffia? Are you a maffioso by any chance?
You defend sapi that we have no charges against him (which is not true) but then you are suggesting to lynch me? What charges you have against me? I still have not heard any.
As for sapi.
1, It is not just the word of FH vs sapi. As I pointed out neither Charge nor RK contradicted FH's story. So we must accepet that there was an attempt to kill sapi and someone bailed out. Do not you think if FH was lying Charge or RK would have contradicted him?
2, It is not just FH's story what we against sapi but his behaviour as well. I have defended him vs the charges that he is an assasin (because I knew that he cannot be an assasin, at worst he is a mole). What did I got in return? Shady accusations and a lynch vote. His accusations was shady enough to suggest that I might be an assasin, which he knew 100% that I cannot be.
Also, unfortunate as it is, this is still our best lead as we have not heard anything from our investigators or herbalists. However, IMO it is a lead solid enough worth following. It is nowhere near a "random lynch".
You defend sapi that we have no charges against him (which is not true) but then you are suggesting to lynch me? What charges you have against me? I still have not heard any.
It's your general posting style that gives you away as a guilty mafioso my friend. Evasive answers, making neutral sounding posts, inconsistency in your reasoning (we need to be 100 % sure before we lynch vs. we are going to lynch sapi because a) we have a non-solid, bad case against him b) his general behavior), etc, etc...
Just in case you were wondering: it's nothing personal :bow: But you are guilty :brood: Might as well confess now :whip:
As for sapi.
1, It is not just the word of FH vs sapi. As I pointed out neither Charge nor RK contradicted FH's story. So we must accepet that there was an attempt to kill sapi and someone bailed out. Do not you think if FH was lying Charge or RK would have contradicted him?
Roadkill didn't contradict the story? Didn't you notice? Roadkill voted Charge instead of sapi.
2, It is not just FH's story what we against sapi but his behaviour as well. I have defended him vs the charges that he is an assasin (because I knew that he cannot be an assasin, at worst he is a mole). What did I got in return? Shady accusations and a lynch vote. His accusations was shady enough to suggest that I might be an assasin, which he knew 100% that I cannot be.
Yeah, but your general behavior is exactly what makes me suspicious of you, yet you label that as "there is no case nor evidence against me"... Hypocrisy? And sapi being suspicious of you is a reason to vote him? Sounds like blatant retaliation to me.
Also, unfortunate as it is, this is still our best lead as we have not heard anything from our investigators or herbalists. However, IMO it is a lead solid enough worth following. It is nowhere near a "random lynch".
Yet another addition to give your post that touch of neutrality, it smells like you are apologising for voting somebody who is a suspect in your opinion. Why else would you do that then to avoid suspicion?
You cannot hide your guilt from me Cheetah. My ghost will haunt you. And after you have been lynched, I will haunt FactionHeir. Him wanting to go vigilante on night 1 just sounds too convenient. It smells like the cover of scummy activities.
Potential WoG/Replacement Victims
Sarathos
Brave_Sir_Robin
Both are a guaranteed WoG should they fail to cast a vote this round.
Why is TwilightBlade not on that list?
Omanes Alexandrapolites
12-05-2007, 17:40
Why is TwilightBlade not on that list?He's already undergone WoG proceedure, so no longer is on the potential list.
~:)
Tratorix
12-05-2007, 20:44
Vote: Caius
Your vote on Charge seems a bit random to me.
Craterus
12-05-2007, 20:52
Current Tally:
sapi - 4 (FactionHeir, Craterus, Cheetah, Charge)
Charge - 3 (RoadKill, Caius, Beefy)
Caius - 1 (BSR)
FactionHeir - 1 (sapi)
Less than 24 hours to get to a lynch.
Vote: Caius
Your vote on Charge seems a bit random to me.
That's it? Nothing to say about FH, Cheetah or sapi?
He's already undergone WoG proceedure, so no longer is on the potential list.
I see...
:creep:
Tratorix
12-06-2007, 00:31
That's it? Nothing to say about FH, Cheetah or sapi?
Well, I only had a couple minutes to post that. I mainly was just making sure I didn't get wogged until I could get back to the computer.
With the FH vs. sapi thing, they're both pointing fingers at each other. We could always just lynch them both, but that takes up two lynchs on something that could just be a mistake. Maybe one of FH's group members didn't get their pm in quite on time.
Cheetah seems a bit suspicious, but he seems far too active to be mafia in my opinion, though I could be wrong.
But, seems like we should lynch someone so Unvote, Vote: sapi.
Not lynching just lets the mafia whittle us down slowly, while we argue the same points every round.
seireikhaan
12-06-2007, 01:22
Vote: Cheetah.
For the same reasons as last time.
FH/Sapi: basically a lot of finger pointing, with little to go on. I think its entirely possible that whoever bailed on killing Sapi(still don't support the idea of vigelante kills w/ no info) did so because its not an especially sound idea, at least, imo.
RoadKill
12-06-2007, 04:41
I can back up Faction heir on what happened on night 1. Charge was the first to pm me about who we would vigilante kill instead of protecting on night 1 since we are the crusaders. He said in his pm that he and factionheir has discussed about choosing who to kill on night 1. I was inactive and havn't even particiapted at all, didn't even bother visiting the thread since I was busy with homework for a while. So I just said replied to him okay and sent in a pm to omanes that I will kill Sapi.
Okay, In our pro-crusader group, there is FH, me, and Charge. Directed in my role pm i am informed that one of us was a Hashim spy.
SO OBVIOUSLY SAPI WAS A HASHIM, BECAUSE THE HASIM SPY IN OUR GROUP KNEW WE WERE GOING TO KILL SAPI THAT NIGHT AND WANTED TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING SO THEREFORE HE MOLES AND BAILED FROM THE KILL. BUT I MAY NOT KNOW IF IT IS CHARGE OR FACTIONHEIR
But right when the write-ups were done and we were informed someone bailed, FH almost immidiatly pmed me asking if I bailed. And I guessed that he was probablly not the hashim spy since he had no idea what happened at all. At that time I completly forgot there was going to be a spy in our group, and so i sent a pm to FH saying that maybe Omanes had a mix-up and thought one of us didn't send in the crusader kill. He replied me and said oh yah maybe that was it. So obviously if he was the spy he would have reminded me of the spy instead of forgetting about it as well.
Believe me now?
So Sapi or charge.
Unvote: Charge
Vote: Sapi
PS: It doesn't matter if Charge or FH is the spy its obvious that Sapi is one of the Hashims.
Might as well take out one of them
Vote:sapi
I won't even bother to point out the utter lack of logic in the assumption that a mafia would pull out of a night kill in order to protect a mole, seeing as that person would be doomed to lynching and that would give the town a 33% chance of lynching the original mafia...
Honestly, I would have instructed my buddies to let me die, were I mafia - better that they live unchallenged than suspicion is thrown on us both...
FactionHeir
12-06-2007, 09:42
That is assuming that all players involved have played mafia games long enough to know that.
Besides, Charge did vote for you in the end.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
12-06-2007, 09:43
Day IV Conclusion
sapi's name was called out, and he was pushed forward. A quick vote decided that his death should involve one of the trebuchets in camp, and him replacing the stones that normally would be inserted into the bucket.
As the system was wired up, and the tension let go of, sapi was hurled off into the sea, landing with a loud splash where he fell.
In other news, Bijo, who had only arrived the previous night, had disappeared. Nobody knew where he had went, but some thought that he had run away from the camp out of fear of becoming a lynch target himself.
****
Night IV begins! This phase will be extended a little to be more convenient. Orders must be in by approximately 17:00 GMT on the 7th December.
Tally:
sapi - 7 (Ichigo, FactionHeir, Cheetah, Craterus, Charge, Brave_Sir_Robin, RoadKill)
Charge - 2 (Caius, Beefy187)
Cheetah - 1 (kamikhaan)
FactionHeir - 1 (sapi)
Alive (13)
Beefy187
Brave_Sir_Robin
Caius
Caterus
Charge
Cheetah
Dutch_guy
FactionHeir
Ichigo
kamikhaan
Killfr3nzy
RoadKill
Sarathos
Replaced (2)
pevergreen (edyzmedieval - D3)
Warmaster Horus (Bijo - N4)
Lynched (2)
Andres (D1)
sapi (D4)
Killed (2)
shlin28 (N2)
edyzmedieval (N3)
WoGed (1)
Twilightblade
Suicide (1)
Bijo
Away till saturday. Have fun. ~:)
Fos:
kamikhaan
Caius
Beefy
Andres
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