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deguerra
11-28-2007, 01:59
Hello All,

basically I have quite the obsession with heraldry (although not all that much knowledge of it) and enjoy crafting and designing coats of arms (especially round abouts the times of uni exams).

Hopefully, however, this is good news for KotR as I would like to extend an offer to any and all of you to craft your avatars their very own coats of arms, to be used however you may desire.

examples are zim and my signatures:
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/4223/ludwigki6.gif (https://imageshack.us)
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8307/jan2pf7.gif (https://imageshack.us)

I have come up with/easily found base coats for each of the four houses and the empire, but other than that I am open for suggestions and have quite a lot of mainly german and french coats of arms sittinng about both on my computer and on wikipedia. furthermore, adding in elements from other images isnt too difficult. so basically anything you can give me an image of, i can incorporate.

Furthermore, I have a nice set of corwns for both Counts and Dukes (Princes also, actually) but am still looking for an Imperial one. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Wappen_Kaiser_Franz_Joseph_I.png is what im looking for, but that doesnt fit with the style of the coats of arms, if i just copy and paste it

I only have two requests:
1. Have patience, as this can take some time, and I am a bit of a perfectionist at times. That being said, sometimes the sizes are slightly off, and some crowns come out bigger than others. Don't read too much into that.
2. That being said, obviously politics can come into coats of arms (the Swabian Principality being an example) and I am happy to include all your desires/claims. Just don't shoot the messenger, is all I ask

Deguerra

edit: Current coats of arms for easy reference:


The Emperor
https://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2880/20071116070544holyromanru3.png (https://imageshack.us)

Elberhard

The Duchy of Swabia
https://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4349/swabiawt7.png (https://imageshack.us)

Athalwolf von Salza

Ehrhart Ruppel

The Principality of Swabia
https://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3971/swabiaflanderslc9.png (https://imageshack.us)

Wolfgang Hummel

Jan von der Pfalz, Count of Antwerpen
https://img229.imageshack.us/img229/93/jan4jq8.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8753/jan4au2.gif (https://imageshack.us)

Ludwig von Bohmen, Count of Bruges
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/4223/ludwigki6.gif (https://imageshack.us)

Jens Merode

The Duchy of Franconia
https://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5957/franconiaba9.png (https://imageshack.us)

Peter von Kastilien

Dieter von Kassel

Fritz von Kastilien

Dieter Bresch, Count of Magdeburg
https://img259.imageshack.us/img259/766/eliteferrettm3.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3010/eliteferretoi9.gif (https://imageshack.us)
Algarda/Andreas von Hamburg

Tancred von Tyrolia

The Duchy of Austria
https://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4774/austriajh6.png (https://imageshack.us)

Arnold, Duke of Austria
https://img266.imageshack.us/img266/7545/arnoldfy6.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img266.imageshack.us/img266/1371/arnoldug8.gif (https://imageshack.us)

Karl Zirn, Count of Zagreb
https://img518.imageshack.us/img518/9056/nnqo5.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1938/nndl9.gif (https://imageshack.us)

Johann Zirn

Edmund Becker, Count of Bohemia
https://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7509/cecilwl0.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img529.imageshack.us/img529/3206/cecileg6.gif (https://imageshack.us)

Lorenz Zirn, Count of Budapest
https://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4002/roadkill2ll5.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3080/roadkill2ce0.gif (https://imageshack.us)

The Duchy of Bavaria
https://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1007/bavariaer2.png (https://imageshack.us)

Lothar Steffen, Duke of Bavaria
https://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9046/dukeln0.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img229.imageshack.us/img229/903/duke3mn0.gif (https://imageshack.us)

Fredericus Erlach, Count of Ajaccio
https://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6615/stupermanph2.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img259.imageshack.us/img259/9199/stupermanfi0.gif (https://imageshack.us)

Matthias Steffen, King of Outremer
https://img256.imageshack.us/img256/3448/imperialoutremerkd5.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8374/imperialoutremerus6.gif (https://imageshack.us)

Friedrich Karolinger, Count of Innsbruck
https://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6076/warmasterhh5.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img86.imageshack.us/img86/4276/warmastermf5.gif (https://imageshack.us)

Hermann Steffen
https://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9926/hermannkq4.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img229.imageshack.us/img229/1220/hermannft2.gif (https://imageshack.us)

One for Bohemia is no problem either of course :D

OverKnight
11-28-2007, 11:34
Very Nice. I've always had a fascination myself with heraldry. Back in my younger days I played Chaosium's King Arthur Pendragon RPG, and one of the cools apsects of character creation was making a coat of arms for your character.

Now that Matt is King of Outremer, I'm wondering what his coat of arms should be. An obvious candidate would be the arms of the Kingdom of Jerusalem:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Arms_Jerusalem.svg#file

But considering his home duchy and that he is an imperial appointee, I'm wondering if the Crusader Cross should be quartered with the Bavarian blue and white lozenges and the Imperial Eagle. Of course that might be a bit too loud.

Or considering this is an alternative Outremer, we could have a black Crusader Cross on a yellow field, which would be more in line with Imperial colors.

deguerra
11-28-2007, 11:44
(YAY: somebody acutally replied)

way ahead of you my friend :D

(deleted)

was my basic idea, some of which is quite similar to yours. glad to see that.

now for matts personal arms it would be nice to add something bavarian in...perhaps have the subshield half imperial half bavarian?

will play aroud with that

edit: a) would you like a crown and
b) if yes, what would be applicable? is the crown of thorns the crown of outremer?

edit2: like this, say:

https://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4564/mattmc9.png (https://imageshack.us)

(YAY somebody replied :D)

thanks

deguerra

OverKnight
11-28-2007, 12:06
The Crown of Thorns is a relic in the posession of the Kings of Outremer since Otto von Kassel, but I don't think it is worn as a crown. That might be a tad sacrilegious.

But since Matt is a King (of a whole two counties mind you) I guess he should have a crown.

I'm not sure how blue and white mixes with yellow and gold however. :laugh4:

deguerra
11-28-2007, 12:31
Hmm, Ive used the bavarian and imperial arms together multiple times and never really thought about it, but it is a bit of a sharp contrast. with that in mind, i changed the outremer arms to be more like that of jerusalem, and made the bavarian blue more like it really is (and matched the outremer blue to that), which makes the overall effect less jarring. let me know what you think.

ah, yes and added a crown :D

https://img516.imageshack.us/img516/5286/matt2gq4.png (https://imageshack.us)

Ferret
11-28-2007, 20:02
nice stuff deguerra! I've sent you some ideas for Dieter in reply to your PM.

Zim
11-28-2007, 20:05
Hmm, Ive used the bavarian and imperial arms together multiple times and never really thought about it, but it is a bit of a sharp contrast. with that in mind, i changed the outremer arms to be more like that of jerusalem, and made the bavarian blue more like it really is (and matched the outremer blue to that), which makes the overall effect less jarring. let me know what you think.

ah, yes and added a crown :D

Pure awesomeness

Hey now, no making the other players' heraldry look cooler than that of your compatriots!

:clown:

deguerra
11-28-2007, 23:58
Out of curiosity, why Saxony? The only thing I have against saxony is that the green sash is quite hard to get into place right :D. Anyway let me know what you think:


deleted, sorry :D


Zim, in all seriousness, if you'd like yours a bit more personalized, let me know, id be more than happy to :2thumbsup:

deguerra

Zim
11-29-2007, 00:09
I was just kidding. :clown: I think the one that you made for me is fantastic.
Hmmm...is there a subshield for Antwerp? As his adopted city, maybe he should use that one instead of the one for the Palatinate.

deguerra
11-29-2007, 00:20
yeh i was thinking that. its a bit sketchy to find though

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Antwerp_City.jpg is the best ive gotten so far. still looking

Stuperman
11-29-2007, 00:23
Any chance that I could get a one made with a Bavarian background, and a small empire symbol in the center?

deguerra
11-29-2007, 00:40
Zim, hows this one:

(deleted)

Stuperman: thats what I'm here for, but are you sure you wouldnt like some more personalization. Corsican coat of arms, say? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Flag_of_Corsica.svg

deguerra

Zim
11-29-2007, 00:49
Zim, hows this one:

https://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8997/jan3ny2.gif (https://imageshack.us)

Stuperman: thats what I'm here for, but are you sure you wouldnt like some more personalization. Corsican coat of arms, say? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Flag_of_Corsica.svg

deguerra

I like it! :2thumbsup:

Stuperman
11-29-2007, 00:51
That'd be sweet if you could integrate something like that.

Zim
11-29-2007, 00:56
Bwahaha! Someday my Avatar's coat of arms will consist of a thousand half-shields!!!! :clown:

deguerra
11-29-2007, 01:01
hmm, well this is what i have currently, but without a division in the main shield, i find the subshiled looks a little out of place. let me know what you think:

gone again it seems...I wonder where all these went

edit: zim, i think yours is too big for your siggy again. will work on that

Zim
11-29-2007, 01:06
edit: zim, i think yours is too big for your siggy again. will work on that

I figured it was a practice run. :clown: Come to think of it, maybe dividing the subshield would make the pictures too small after it was shrunk down to sig size?

deguerra
11-29-2007, 01:11
well it can do this size:

https://img144.imageshack.us/img144/5287/jan3di4.gif (https://imageshack.us)https://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8753/jan4au2.gif (https://imageshack.us)

which is pretty much what we have now. perhaps just dont go conquering too much, so i dont have to keep adding things :P

Zim
11-29-2007, 01:13
What's your opinion? Does the subshield look ok split in two at that size? ~:)

Stuperman
11-29-2007, 01:18
well, I'm not sure I like the Crown, and I know what you mean, it could use something to break it up a bit. If there is any appropriate crosses that could be placed behind the smaller shield that's work for me.

deguerra
11-29-2007, 01:21
i reckon the division looks ok. didnt like the red though, so i changed that. see last post. if you'd like just the antwerp shield, let me know

Zim
11-29-2007, 01:24
This is kind of embarassing, but I'm not sure which is the fixed version in the post. :embarassed:

I notice that in the top one the symbol in red is a bit easier to make out, and that in the second, it fills it's half of the shield more.

deguerra
11-29-2007, 01:26
:oops: somehow managed to resize the castle. the second one is the red i like better. it looks less...glaring. that being said the castle should be more like the first... :D what do you think?

edit: updated

Zim
11-29-2007, 01:42
:oops: somehow managed to resize the castle. the second one is the red i like better. it looks less...glaring. that being said the castle should be more like the first... :D what do you think?

edit: updated

Looks good! :2thumbsup: It took me a second to notice the shade of red is different. I like the new, darker one.

AussieGiant
11-29-2007, 02:10
Excellent stuff deguerra.

I was also into Coat of Arms when I was at uni.

We have a family tree in which all the coat of arms throughout the family’s history was represented.

What do you think you could do for the Dread Duke of Austria? :2thumbsup:

deguerra
11-29-2007, 02:37
updated the first post to make it more easy to find stuff. if you want your arms as part of your signature, let me know as it may need to be below 10kbytes and i can get rid of the black border.

thanks AussieGiant. I'm afraid my own family was naught but Silesian and Westfalian peasants, so coats of arms are unfortuntely non-present :D would be cool though.

now as for arnold:

i assume some element of austria goes without saying. I could halve it with the venetian coat of arms if you'd like, or the empire, or just leave it as the entire thing.

as for a personalized subshied, some sort of fear inspiring thing would be nice. I found a good (i thought) wolf for Elite Ferret, so it would be nice to have something esle...

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Bivalyfej_%28heraldika%29.PNG say
or http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Bivaly_%28heraldika%29_fr_--_buffle.PNG

or http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Heraldic_figure_-_Boar.svg ( I appear to be stuck on barnyard animals...well he is austrian :P)


or http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:H%C3%A9raldique_meuble_Dragon_%28wyvern%29.svg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:H%C3%A9raldique_meuble_Griffon_2.svg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:H%C3%A9raldique_meuble_Griffon.svg

or
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Wappen_Oberstenfeld.png

thats the more "dreaded" stuff i could come up with but feel free to browse http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:SVG_coat_of_arms_elements
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Heraldic_figures

and google of course

AussieGiant
11-29-2007, 02:45
Hi deguerra,

My family had a little more "bling" throughout history.

On one of the family trees there was the 4th or 5th wife of one of those fornicating English Kings.

The Family Motto is:

A Stag pressed becomes a Lion.

The family crest is a Red faced Stag on a Silver shield.

As for Arnold then I think you're going in the right direction.

Some part of the Austrian shield with a blood red griffon on a black background or the other way round...

...I can't find anything to date though.

deguerra
11-29-2007, 03:03
red griffin on a red background or the other way around? :dizzy2: :smash:

reminds me of the frisian war flag: white eagle on a white background :laugh4:

i assume white in there somewhere?

edit: how about this
https://img266.imageshack.us/img266/7545/arnoldfy6.png (https://imageshack.us)

RoadKill
11-29-2007, 03:43
red griffin on a red background or the other way around? :dizzy2: :smash:

reminds me of the frisian war flag: white eagle on a white background :laugh4:

i assume white in there somewhere?

edit: how about this
https://img266.imageshack.us/img266/7545/arnoldfy6.png (https://imageshack.us)


That is awesome, I think all the Austrian electors should have that in their sig.

deguerra
11-29-2007, 03:45
glad you like it :D

I am more than happy to make personalized ones for the other electors as well, though. perhaps something reflecting budapest or hungary for you? any thoughts on personal arms?

deguerra

AussieGiant
11-29-2007, 03:48
red griffin on a red background or the other way around? :dizzy2: :smash:

reminds me of the frisian war flag: white eagle on a white background :laugh4:

i assume white in there somewhere?

edit: how about this
https://img266.imageshack.us/img266/7545/arnoldfy6.png (https://imageshack.us)


That's pretty damn cool deguerra!!

I believe you have hit on a wonderful idea at personalising and adding extra meaning to peoples characters.

How do I get that photo so I can use it in my sig?

deguerra
11-29-2007, 03:59
thanks :D

https://img266.imageshack.us/img266/1371/arnoldug8.gif (https://imageshack.us)

there you are

AussieGiant
11-29-2007, 04:09
I clearly have no idea how to put this in my signature.

Can someone explain :help:

Cecil XIX
11-29-2007, 04:12
I believe it's just like posting a screenshot. Go to your sig and ad the url with tags.

AussieGiant
11-29-2007, 04:16
I believe it's just like posting a screenshot. Go to your sig and ad the url with tags.

Bloody marvellous Cecil. Excellent.

deguerra,

Can I suggest some work for you? :-)

If you could theme these up, based on the various houses and have each player with their own version that would be excellent.

A lot a of work I know, but you have some talent there my friend.

deguerra
11-29-2007, 04:48
well that is the general plan and ive started in the first post. that being said, i want to leave people whatever freedom they want so the house may not be immediately recongisable

AussieGiant
11-29-2007, 04:55
fair enough.

Northnovas
11-29-2007, 05:05
That is very nice! Should Karl be getting something similar being part the family or to do I grab something totally different in the Austrian House?
They add a nice touch deguerra. Really nice work.

AussieGiant
11-29-2007, 05:07
That is very nice! Should Karl be getting something similar being part the family or to do I grab something totally different in the Austrian House?
They add a nice touch deguerra. Really nice work.

Up to you NN.

You married Arnold sister...I'd say that gives you free reign to do what you would like.

Northnovas
11-29-2007, 05:20
I like the colours for the House. I guess I could add something from the Outremer for being a Crusader. Maybe a cross with a mean looking kick- a## kind of animal/creature. I will have to give it some thought.

deguerra
11-29-2007, 05:47
ok do that. I'll put something together when you let me know exactly what you want on it.

edit: stuperman, sorry, didnt see your post from a while back. will get to work on that tonight, but ive got friends coming soon

deguerra
11-29-2007, 08:39
sorry for the double post, but its gotten to the stage where ive made enough new stuff:

stuperman what do you think of this:


https://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6615/stupermanph2.png (https://imageshack.us)


northnovas, what do you think of this: its got austria, outremer, croatia and an animal...that being said it might be a bit too busy...let me know what you think:



(yet another one that vanished...)


edit: Cecil, what are we doing with Edmund Becker. I understand youve reconciled, but something Bohemia flavoured none the less?

edit2: a less busy version for northnovas:


https://img518.imageshack.us/img518/9056/nnqo5.png (https://imageshack.us)

Stuperman
11-29-2007, 14:59
That looks awesome! not trying to be picky but could I get it resized? to a more sig friendly size?

Northnovas
11-29-2007, 17:34
Edit 2 looks less busy I like that. Can that be resized for the sig as Stuperman mentioned?

Ferret
11-29-2007, 19:57
Out of curiosity, why Saxony? The only thing I have against saxony is that the green sash is quite hard to get into place right :D. Anyway let me know what you think:


https://img124.imageshack.us/img124/2056/eliteferret2vx1.gif (https://imageshack.us)


Zim, in all seriousness, if you'd like yours a bit more personalized, let me know, id be more than happy to :2thumbsup:

deguerra

that's damn near perfect! (only not quite perfect because of me :beam: ) As for why Saxony well...only 3 people know anything about that :juggle2: (maybe 6 OOC though) but it will most probably come to nothing now, just an old dream of Dieter's.

deguerra
11-29-2007, 23:18
@all of you: yes, will post signature sizes in a second. I only post the biggers sizes first so you can actually see them better to see if you like them. and now im intirgued by Dieter's dream :D

edit: here they are:

elite ferret (without that black border)

https://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3010/eliteferretoi9.gif (https://imageshack.us)


stuperman:

https://img259.imageshack.us/img259/9199/stupermanfi0.gif (https://imageshack.us)


and northnovas:

https://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1938/nndl9.gif (https://imageshack.us)


edit: the kingdom of outremer (good size and signature size)

https://img256.imageshack.us/img256/3448/imperialoutremerkd5.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8374/imperialoutremerus6.gif (https://imageshack.us)

Cecil XIX
11-30-2007, 02:15
Cecil, what are we doing with Edmund Becker. I understand youve reconciled, but something Bohemia flavoured none the less?

Indeed. I did some research on this a while back, and I came up with a coat of arms for Bohemia.

https://img527.imageshack.us/img527/1888/bohemia1cu4.png

I'd like something like this, with the all red background replaced with Austria's and scaled down for a Count.

deguerra
11-30-2007, 02:24
righto. how much of the gold leafy stuff are we wanting to keep. it doesnt really fit with the style of the coats of arms i can make with inkscape, but if you want it, youve got it :D (i will just copy+paste it from that basically)

edit: so this is the base, let me know if you want the gold leaf and whatnot:


https://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7509/cecilwl0.png (https://imageshack.us)

Cecil XIX
11-30-2007, 02:46
Actually, that's exactly what I was looking for. Huzzah!

AussieGiant
11-30-2007, 02:52
That looks great guy's.

deguerra,

I just want to say again that you've added something to this game that is entirely part of the period and an excellent addition to the avatar ownership theme.

The history of everyone's coat of arms throughout the game will be fascinating to look back on when it's all finished.

deguerra
11-30-2007, 07:10
glad to hear you're all happy :D

heres a more sig friendly version for you cecil:


https://img529.imageshack.us/img529/3206/cecileg6.gif (https://imageshack.us)

Stuperman
11-30-2007, 07:12
Thank you deguerra, I think this looks Awesome!

I think you've added something to the game, I think that these coats of arms will help people have the 'ownership' feeling that TC was talking so much about. I love it!

deguerra
11-30-2007, 13:32
glad to be of use :D that being said, I really don't deserve this much praise. Most of my bases are either directly copied from somebody else (usually on wikipedia) or just altered slightly. Then pasting new designs and symbols on top is no great feat, just a bit of time consumption. That being said I enjoy doing it, and of course I enjoy doing it more when I get such high appraisal:2thumbsup:

Now, for more people. Where's that lazy Emperor for example. Or the chancellor for that matter. :whip:

Zim
11-30-2007, 13:36
No Chancelor during the Cataclysm, and the Emperor is at sea. ~;p

deguerra
11-30-2007, 13:46
TinCow and econ21 then. I figure this is OOC so being at sea doesnt matter. Smartarse

:clown:

Privateerkev
11-30-2007, 18:22
Now, for more people. Where's that lazy Emperor for example. Or the chancellor for that matter. :whip:

My avatar situation is slightly "in flux" at the moment or I would take you up on your offer. Rest assured that I would have had you create a complex and over-the-top coat of arms for a very over-the-top Crusader if Jan were alive or if I knew for sure my avatar was staying in his family. :2thumbsup:

Either way, thanks for doing this for us. I think it adds a lot and helps get people more into the game. :bow:

TinCow
11-30-2007, 18:51
Sure, you can do one for me. It should be a pure Bavarian shield with some symbol referencing Gerhard Steffen in the middle. Perhaps an indication of where his rise to power came from: the destruction of Pope Gregory. If you could work an all-seeing eye into it, without the eye being blatantly obvious, that would be nice too.

RoadKill
11-30-2007, 21:02
Can I have the same one Duke Arnold has, but can i replace the white with black, and the black with white, and could i include a sword somewhere on it. And maybe an eagle instead of the griffon.

deguerra
12-01-2007, 01:35
TinCow, yours will need some more thought. I'll get back to you.

RoadKill, what do you think of this: I added a Hungarian bit with a sword for your Duchy, and the eagle as per your request:


https://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9703/roadkilluu1.png (https://imageshack.us)


edit: made the white on the subshield slightly larger. Looks better i think:


https://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9058/roadkillla4.png (https://imageshack.us)

deguerra
12-01-2007, 03:05
Sorry, for the doublepost

TinCow, I've put something together for you. It's by far one with the most personal liberties taken on my behalf so far, so don't hesitate to tell me you want something else. At the end of the day, I want you to like it, not me. Let me know what you think:


https://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9046/dukeln0.png (https://imageshack.us)


edit: made some small changes:

https://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3079/dukewg9.png (https://imageshack.us)

Shahed
12-01-2007, 14:28
This man is an artist ! Damm... amazing dude!

Are you willing to take requests outside the PBM ?

deguerra
12-01-2007, 14:38
thanks. yeh sure, just let me know what you want. i'm starting some holiday work monday so it may take me longer to do stuff, but it'll get done eventually

Ferret
12-01-2007, 15:15
Deguerra, you are amazing, despite only just joining you have already added a great new feature to this PBM, hopefully one that will stay with us always.
:bow:

RoadKill
12-01-2007, 15:27
Yah, that is really awsome deguerra, but if you didn't mind could you give it a little more black.

deguerra
12-01-2007, 15:29
well we could make the shield behind the eagle completely black. do you want more black than that? if so, any suggestions as to where? :D

RoadKill
12-01-2007, 15:40
Maybe the white stripes behind the sword, would that look good?

TinCow
12-01-2007, 16:54
That's incredible. I actually like the first one the best. Does anyone know how I can get the text above the coat of arms to all move to the right of it?

FactionHeir
12-01-2007, 17:04
Not sure, but you may want to have a look at Shaka_Khan's profile. He managed to do it.

TinCow
12-01-2007, 17:49
He's just done one line to the right, which is easy. I'm trying to get all 6 over there. I think it has something to do with those FLEFT and FRIGHT commands, but I cant seem to get them to work.

TinCow
12-01-2007, 18:28
Nevermind. I just made it into an image.

GeneralHankerchief
12-01-2007, 18:32
Love the description TinCow. :laugh4:

I'm a bit wary of getting a coat of arms since my avatars have an alarmingly high mortality rate, but why not? For Herrmann, mind doing the same thing as TC's but with something symbolizing Rome in there too (and minus the all-seeing eye)? More for OOC sentimentality.

Thanks. :yes:

Warmaster Horus
12-01-2007, 20:32
Hi, could you do one for me? I was thinking of having:
-the Bavarian coat of arms on the left
-the Austrian coat of arms on the right
-the Innsbruck Coat of arms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:InnsbruckWappen.png)in the middle (overlapping on both, like Fredericus Erlach's one)
-and the Imperial Eagle in the white strip of the Innsbruck Coat of arms.

Would it be possible? Thanks a lot!

deguerra
12-01-2007, 22:21
no problem. are we talking a larger, but very flat eagle or a very small but symmetrical one. if its the latter, it won't be much more than a blob once the whole things is signature size

edit: Roadkill how about so:


https://img86.imageshack.us/img86/8110/roadkillej9.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9383/roadkillya1.gif (https://imageshack.us)


Warmaster Horus, let me know what you think of this:


https://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6076/warmasterhh5.png (https://imageshack.us)

Warmaster Horus
12-01-2007, 23:19
Just perfect. Thanks! What does it give signature size?

deguerra
12-01-2007, 23:22
I do that :D

here's your signature size:


https://img86.imageshack.us/img86/4276/warmastermf5.gif (https://imageshack.us)


and heres a first attempt at general_hankerchiefs: are you sure this is all you want? edit: nevermind, as lothar's son, I fully encourage carrying on the "family" arms :D


https://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9926/hermannkq4.png (https://imageshack.us)

Warmaster Horus
12-01-2007, 23:27
Neat! Thanks a lot!

AussieGiant
12-02-2007, 01:55
I'll say it again.

Bloody amazing stuff here.

I wonder if we can incorporate this in a few of the lists we have.

Such as the Chancellor and governor reports, the Imperial Mausoleum and the Library.

Just a thought...

and I can't believe the amount of detail you can do deguerra. It's really incredible.

deguerra
12-02-2007, 02:17
well if you check the first post ive put up big and small versions of most of the coats of arms ive made so far, so those can be easily incorporated into any list. will continue updating them

edit: and the award for getting all their coats of arms done first goes to: bavaria. (that is if GeneralHankerchief is happy with his). As for the actual award, I have no idea what I'd give you. I suppose Stuperman managed to get a special crown. that will have to do :P

deguerra
12-02-2007, 04:47
edit2: sorry RoadKill, I'm an incredible tool that can't read :D

I can make the stripes behind the sword black, although technically it isn't the coat of arms of Hungary then anymore. That being said, youre the Count so you can change the arms :D Will get on it

edit3: hmm, making the stripes black doesnt look good while also keeping the background of the eagle black, so I've swithched colours around a bit. Let me know what you think::


https://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4002/roadkill2ll5.png (https://imageshack.us)

RoadKill
12-02-2007, 05:13
edit2: sorry RoadKill, I'm an incredible tool that can't read :D

I can make the stripes behind the sword black, although technically it isn't the coat of arms of Hungary then anymore. That being said, youre the Count so you can change the arms :D Will get on it

edit3: hmm, making the stripes black doesnt look good while also keeping the background of the eagle black, so I've swithched colours around a bit. Let me know what you think::


https://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4002/roadkill2ll5.png (https://imageshack.us)



THATS PERFECT!!!

But how do i make it small enough to fit the sig size.

Shahed
12-02-2007, 05:13
deguerra I was thinking of an Eastern shield or flag (Turk, Abbasid, Ayyubid, Golden Horde etc). Not sure yet on which one, do you have any ideas ? I'm going to think over it a little so as to give you something solid and artistic!

GeneralHankerchief
12-02-2007, 05:39
Looks awesome deguerra, thanks a ton. Mind whittling it down to sig size?

deguerra
12-02-2007, 05:45
its in sig size on the first page...just a sec...here:


https://img229.imageshack.us/img229/1220/hermannft2.gif (https://imageshack.us)

GeneralHankerchief
12-02-2007, 05:46
Yeah, just saw it. Oops.

deguerra
12-02-2007, 05:48
no worries. I could have mentioned it :D

edit: sorry RoadKill I keep missing you. I have to resize it, here you go:


https://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3080/roadkill2ce0.gif (https://imageshack.us)

Ferret
12-02-2007, 12:31
I'll say it again.

Bloody amazing stuff here.

I wonder if we can incorporate this in a few of the lists we have.

Such as the Chancellor and governor reports, the Imperial Mausoleum and the Library.

Just a thought...

and I can't believe the amount of detail you can do deguerra. It's really incredible.

I was thinking exactly the same thing, it would be brilliant to see all the different general's coats of arms next to their portraits in the Mausoleum :yes: . Thing is it will be a lot more work for Deguerra to make one for everyone, we're lucky to have him.

deguerra
12-03-2007, 08:05
well once again, I'm working as of today, but they don't really take long to make, so Im happy to take commissions for any character, dead or alive.
That being said I fully encourage establishing family arms, so dead members of the same family as an alive character may have the same arms. but Im also more than happy to make slight adjustemnts to them, or even completely new ones.

sinan, well the crescent seems to feature heavily in all eastern ones, but beyond that Im somewhat clueless. Although "going with the flow" of crescent arms is a bit boring anyway :D

econ21: doesnt that damn emperor want a coat yet? :P

Warluster
12-03-2007, 08:55
Could von Salza have one?

I would love a picture of a city on it, and maybe some fire as well. Maybe also some small pictures of the French fleru-de leus (Those things Joan of d'Arc had) and something German.

deguerra
12-03-2007, 10:02
enough of this humble asking :laugh4: i will gladly do anyones. will work on it now, check back here later warluster

deguerra
12-03-2007, 10:35
I'm not double-posting merely showing warluster that theres something new. duh.

anyway, warluster, its a bit of an artistic interpretation of what you wanted but I found that burning wall image and thought it looked cool and kind of went from there. let me know what you think:

https://img90.imageshack.us/img90/1226/warlustersj6.png (https://imageshack.us)

edit: I also think the subshiled needs to be a smidgeon further down. will def. fix that

edit2: like so:


https://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4027/warlustervn4.png (https://imageshack.us)

econ21
12-03-2007, 13:04
Deguerra, this is great work. :bow:

For Elberhard, his coat of arms should be based on the Imperial shield.

There are three elements that you could use to mix it up a little:
(a) England - he has a royal marriage to an English princess
(b) Swabia - his lineage
(c) Elephants - he has a thing about them!

deguerra
12-03-2007, 13:10
excellent. will get on it tomorrow after work :2thumbsup:

FactionHeir
12-03-2007, 13:47
I wouldn't mind a CoA but the problem is that my sig is already stuffed to the max. So the only time I'd actually be using them would be in the house thread and in the mausoleum/library.

If that's fine with you, I'd like the following:

For Hans:
Split the shield in three parts rather than two. left upper, right upper, lower. Not a rectangular split but a triangular one (i.e. the bottom third would form a triangle with its apex at the dead center of the shield.

Left upper: Swabia
Right Upper: Imperial (with a crown on the imperial eagle as Hans is a direct descendent of heinrich)
Lower: Christianity (i.e. Crusades)

Actually, feel free to change the order to whichever looks more suitable.
The center will be a single shield that is divided in two halves. One half being a horse and the other being a scale with a sword lying next to it diagonally.

Please make sure the center shield does nto overlap any icon of the main shields. :grin:

Oh, and I suppose you can put a Ducal crown atop the shield. Btw, I think except for Dukes and the Emperor, no-one used to have a crown on their shields in medieval times, right? They at best had a helmet on there.

Ehrhart:

Shield with 2 halves:
- Swabia
- Imperial

Imperial eagle not wearing the crown but have a crown there somewhere. To show that he isn't directly related but adopted.

Center shield can be lance and sword. Again, try not to overlap please.

No crown on top of the shield but a knight helm instead.

Thanks

Privateerkev
12-03-2007, 18:39
Hi Deguerra!

If you have time, and don't mind, I would like a coat of arms for Jan von Hamburg. Now, he is dead so please feel free to de-prioritize this request. This would just be to put in the Mausoleum with TC's permission.

I would like an Outremer shield as base with four sub-parts in the middle.

Top-left: a Crusader cross. Red cross on white background. Maybe a small number 2 and number 3 in this area signifying that Jan participated in the second and third Crusades.

Top-right: Imperial. Jan considered himself an Imperial administrator. In the corner of this part, please put a tiny all seeing eye that has a slash through it. This would signify his 32 year quest to stamp out the "Order" from Imperial politics.

Bottom-left: Edessa. This city was his first county and also holds sentimental value to Jan. In one corner should be a small Mongol shield with a slash through it. Next to it would be the number 3. This would signify Jan's participation in defeating the 3rd Mongol wave outside Edessa.

Bottom-right: Hamburg. Jan was a von Hamburg and his family came from this area. If you can find a von Hamburg CoA, use that for this section instead, otherwise, the Hamburg CoA will do.

I would like no hint of Franconia in this CoA at all. None. Zero. Zip. :beam:

I would like it topped off with a Crown that is smaller than the Duke/King crowns but bigger than the Count crowns. This is to show that Jan was King of Outremer for over 40 years but did not die as King since he resigned.

I do not mind if the CoA is "busy" and full of stuff. It fits Jan's personality anyways to have such a crowded CoA.

Thanks and please let me know if you have any questions. :2thumbsup:

Dutch_guy
12-03-2007, 20:01
How did I manage to miss this thread for so long ?

Excellent work you've been doing deguerra, hope you can find the time to do one for me - Tancred would owe you one, and he's a generous guy :beam:

Need to think something up though :2thumbsup:

:balloon2:

deguerra
12-04-2007, 09:18
hey guys, had a long day at work so im not going to do anything tonight.

FactionHeir, you are somewhat correct. The coats of arms I am making are quite ahistorical. crowns and other design elements would only have been included in the greater arms, but that would have been much more elaborate than what im making. the lesser arms would almost always consist solely of the shield. i just thought the crowns gave a good indication of rank and so forth.

im not sure I have any helmets that fit with the sort of style of the crowns, but if I find one I will included it. but as I said, not tonight.

cheers
deguerra

Warluster
12-04-2007, 09:22
Thanks for the Coat of Arms deguerra! Its awesome!

Maybe I could have it in sig size... please?:grin3:

deguerra
12-04-2007, 09:57
well since you asked so nicely :D

yeh sure, I just wanted to confirm you were happy with it:

https://img523.imageshack.us/img523/1327/warlusterek5.gif (https://imageshack.us)

edit: econ21, hows this:


https://img530.imageshack.us/img530/8292/econ21om3.png (https://imageshack.us)


my only issue is the elephant, which is slightly out of place, and the lack of a crown

econ21
12-04-2007, 13:41
That looks good, Deguerra. I am not sure what the blue part represents - it looks rather French and we don't like the French over much. Sorry if I am missing something obvious. You are right the elephant may be out of place. It may be too silly an idea, although Elberhard is a bit of an idiot at times.

On possibility would be to stick a big crown on top of the shield - rather like Warluster's - but drop the blue part and the elephant. The smaller shield would then be half Swabian lions and half English lions.

deguerra
12-04-2007, 13:44
heyhey,

the english coat of arms in the 1400s consisted half of the arms of normandy (the lions on red) and half of the french fleur de lys on blue. it represented englands claim to the french throne. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:England_Arms_1405.svg granted, this may not really be relevant to our game, but i like the contrast. that being said the elephant could potentially go in that quarter.

another alternative is to put the elephant below the subshield below the eagle on the main shield. will play around with that.

the problem is that ie warluster's is a marquis' crown (which ive appropriated to mean counts crown) but in any case too low for the holy roman emperor :D

econ21
12-04-2007, 13:56
Hi, thanks for that! Now that I understand it, I am perfectly happy with the Coat of Arms.

If you could stick a big thumping crown on top of it, it will be better than perfect. Elberhard is not exactly subtle.

The wikipedia entry for Spanish heraldry has a nice King's crown:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_heraldry

gibsonsg91921
12-04-2007, 14:18
May I please have one, kind sir?

Half HRE, Half Franconia, with a lion's head in the middle.

deguerra
12-04-2007, 21:08
hmm, only if you let me add something for castile on there somewhere :P

Ramses II CP
12-04-2007, 21:46
Fritz absolutely needs one of these. I'll bow to your wisdom on the topic, but as guidance I think i'd like a wingless griffin rampant on the right and maybe this Kastilien reference on the left:

http://www.flaggenlexikon.de/fspanksm.htm

No crown. I'm guessing it's possible to incorporate a brief motto? Is that period appropriate?

:egypt:

gibsonsg91921
12-04-2007, 22:53
oo yeah put some castile on it. take as many creative liberties as you want, i dont care - i just kinda whipped something up

deguerra
12-05-2007, 10:38
hmm long day again, im afraid, so no crafting today. FH is next in line, so ive got one question:

theoretically the double headed IMPERIAL eagle was only used by the emperor. the heir (and descendants) would be more likely to symbolise the empire the the single headed GERMAN eagle, that ive used at least on one coat of arms already.

once again, Im not really fussed with these things, but perhaps the single headed eagle (crowned if you want) would be better?

FactionHeir
12-05-2007, 13:22
Yeah, I was thinking of the single eagle. Double eagle is Germany/Austria afaik.

deguerra
12-06-2007, 09:48
ok here is my first attempt, and last for today:

the only thing I could not oblige was the subshield not obstructing any other elements. that means moving them too far to the size and resizing them, and it makes the whole thing look out of place and stupid. if you really want it, i'll do it, but trust me it looks much better this way:

https://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9965/hansns9.png (https://imageshack.us)

still looking for a good crown econ21, the one you sent me is good, but too small (image wise) so im trying to find a better version. tomorrow perhaps.

edit: FH regarding the eagles: youre kind of correct. the double headed eagle is KIND of for germany AND austria because it stood for the empire, which incorporated both. the double-headedness, AFAIK is to represent the emperors secular and religious power. because the austrians became hereditary emperors, the double headed eagle was then symbol of the habsburg monarchy until that died after ww1. the single headed eagle has always been a symbol of germany.

FactionHeir
12-06-2007, 11:43
Yeah, I remember as much from my history lessons many many years ago. Really confusing too. Might actually read something about this during my lunchbreak today.

Regarding the shield, it looks great so far. I think if you increased the shield's size overall somewhat (its smaller than other shields currently I think) and decreased the crown size, the center shield should obstruct less of the other elements hopefully.
As for the elements themselves, I very much like the way it looks. I would suggest mirroring the horse to face the right and maybe make th sword less glossy. I'm not sure whether its appropriate or not, but the crown on the eagle looks a bit too tall and thin, figure you could broaden it a bit and shorten it? Crusader cross looks fine although the color change is a bit drastic maybe. Maybe you can even make the scale's background and the crusader cross' background the same color?

Really apprecaite your effort so far!

[edit]
Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Germany

deguerra
12-06-2007, 14:13
hows this:

https://img463.imageshack.us/img463/7337/hansol8.png (https://imageshack.us)

edit: good find! got to love wikipedia :D

FactionHeir
12-06-2007, 14:24
Much better. I like how it looks now.
Only resizing the shield to be larger and the crown on top smaller should allow for less overlap by the central shield.

deguerra
12-06-2007, 14:28
it IS currently the same as everyone else's. TBH I'm not sure if resizing the whole shield:crown ratio will work with my standard template, but I'll give it a try tomorrow.

good night all

edit: I swear to god its an addiction. econ21, what crown do you prefer:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Corona_real_cerrada.svg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Spanish_Royal_Crown.svg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Crown_of_Italy.svg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Couronne_royale.svg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Charles_V_Crown.svg

econ21
12-06-2007, 14:49
econ21, what crown do you prefer?

I like the Crown of Italy:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Crown_of_Italy.svg

It may even be fitting, given the whole "King of the Romans" business. :bow:

deguerra
12-06-2007, 15:13
excellent and good point:

Eberhardt I, dei gratia Romanorum imperator selectus semper augustus

https://img135.imageshack.us/img135/7639/econ21mx8.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img524.imageshack.us/img524/396/econ21kp9.gif (https://imageshack.us)


edit: I was thinking the French part could also represent that Eberhardt has a claim to the French throne. I suppose that makes the english one kind of dangerous, although seeing as he married an english princess, i guess he does have a claim to that throne as well, just not as the first in line

Shahed
12-06-2007, 18:46
You are getting better and better at this ! Each one is better than the last. Good job !

Don't forget me, I'll pop you a request after you're done with this PBM, don't want to break your flow. Cheers ! ;)

deguerra
12-08-2007, 00:40
FH: the resizing thing will take time, so Im going to have to move on for now. If you really want it, I will do it, but I still think it will end up looking very silly.

Here is one for Erhardt, sorry, subshield is overlapping again, it simply doesnt really work otherwise.

https://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1194/erhardtos0.png (https://imageshack.us)

Will now move on to Privateerkevs Jan (might do an Alfgarda as well, I liked her :D)

Privateerkev
12-08-2007, 00:47
Will now move on to Privateerkevs Jan (might do an Alfgarda as well, I liked her :D)

Aww, thanks! :bow:

I'm glad you liked her. She was fun to play. It can be refreshing to play a firespitter who can't really suffer politically. As for a CoA, I assumed she wouldn't get one because she was female, but if you insist, then it would be much like Jan's.

Same base and same four parts of the sub-shield but without the extra stuff Jan had. Something with motherhood instead. Plus a feminine crown since she was Queen of Outremer.

:2thumbsup:

FactionHeir
12-08-2007, 00:49
I like that shield. Quite perfect although could you make the lance a bit thicker? At first sight it looked like another sword ~:)

Helm on top is suitable, although a wreath (or decoration for it) would be very much appreciated!

deguerra
12-08-2007, 00:55
yeh I was having trouble with the lance. It needs to be just perfect, will try to make it so. Wreath will be added as soon as I find a good one. Would some sort of little corwn do as well? I have a nice barons one, which might look good on top of that helmet? Its just a circulet, rather than a real crown?

FactionHeir
12-08-2007, 01:22
Yeah, sure. I am way too perfectionist anyway ~:)

deguerra
12-08-2007, 01:46
hmm, not sure the lance isn't too thick now:

https://img512.imageshack.us/img512/3946/erhardthp3.png (https://imageshack.us)

Privateerkev, what do you think of this:

https://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4879/janse9.png (https://imageshack.us)

Privateerkev
12-08-2007, 01:48
Is that for Jan or Alfgarda?

I like it by the way. :D

deguerra
12-08-2007, 01:51
that one is for Jan. Women often had a diamond shaped coat of arms, and it would probably include less of the crusader stuff? Would you like me to do that?

edit: OOPS I forgot all of your numbers. my bad. will fix that now :D

edit: and the mongol shield. and the all seeing eye...i really need to laern to read :D

Privateerkev
12-08-2007, 01:54
I dig, the CoA for Jan. I see that size would limit putting in all the little stuff I brought up so this is fine.

As for Alfgarda, I thought it was cool of you to offer but I don't know where I'd put it. Probably just in your front page to this thread. She wasn't an avatar so she wouldn't have a spot in the library. And I retired her so it wouldn't be in my sig.

So, doing one for her is up to you. I would just have it in your front page to this thread. But if you did one, what you suggested sounds cool. :2thumbsup:

Thanks again for doing this stuff. :bow:

deguerra
12-08-2007, 01:57
well the numbers are def. going in. they look neat. will see how the rest goes

Privateerkev
12-08-2007, 01:58
well the numbers are def. going in. they look neat. will see how the rest goes

awesome! :2thumbsup:

deguerra
12-08-2007, 02:05
yeh is this all right? The rest of the stuff would be quite small, and it will take me a while to do it all. If you really want it in, I have no problem with that, but it may have to wait a while:

https://img463.imageshack.us/img463/6015/janol5.png (https://imageshack.us)

Privateerkev
12-08-2007, 02:07
I like it!

If you don't mind doing the other stuff, I don't mind waiting. Jan is dead so put this at the bottom of your pile. I think the active avatars should get taken care of first. :yes:

Thanks again! :beam:

Zim
12-08-2007, 02:14
Hello, deguerra. I pmed you but I thought it would be good to put this here as well, where it's easier to get to.

For Andreas von Salzgitter, I was thinking this main shield, but in yellow and black to match Swabia's colors.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Blason_Coyviller_54.svg

However, for the subshield I was thinking this one from His hometown, Salzgitter.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Coat_of_arms_of_Salzgitter.svg

Thank you, all of the work you've done looks great! :yes:

deguerra
12-08-2007, 02:37
Zim, wait your turn you impatient bugger

:clown: nah thanks for posting the stuff here again

gibsonsg91921 what do you think of this for peter:

https://img463.imageshack.us/img463/3721/peterzm9.png (https://imageshack.us)

if peter would rather not have a crown (he doesnt seem to like symbols of authority) I can change that

edit: ok i have tancred of tyrolia and then Zims new character still to do? amybody else?

Sinan, I have not forgotten you, sorry if I don't always reply, but feel free to post what youd like here or PM me anytime :thumbsup:

edit2: Fritz, I forgot Fritz!

deguerra
12-08-2007, 02:55
now I don't know if Tancred is a count, Duch_guy, and if so I don't know of what place. For know ive given him a counts crown, but his subshield is simply tirolian:

https://img463.imageshack.us/img463/9493/dutchguyvh8.png (https://imageshack.us)

AussieGiant
12-08-2007, 03:03
Hi deguerra,

A question...do you think you could make Arnold's a little more "dready"?

Low priority as the current one is great...he's just got 10 dread so seeing his banner on the field has people recollect Hades and other such imagery...at least for the bad guy's :2thumbsup:

FactionHeir
12-08-2007, 03:06
Thanks deguerra, looks fine now. Yep, lance might be a bit too thick as you said. Maybe an average between the two?

Thanks

deguerra
12-08-2007, 03:06
most definetely, on one condition: tell me how :laugh4: I must admit im somewhat stumped on the issue, but if you can think of something, I can most likely incorporate it :D

hows this for Fritz, Ramses II CP?

https://img89.imageshack.us/img89/130/fritzbs3.png (https://imageshack.us)

the griffin isn't rampant, I know, but that is actually the coat of arms of stettin, which I figured was too good a coincidence to miss.if you tell me a motto, I can probably make a banner underneath. No FABRICATI DIEM PVNC now...:P

edit: Zim hows this: the only thing I changed is added more lions to make the swabia thing more obvious. let me know if youd like them gone:


https://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3306/zimnj8.png (https://imageshack.us)


i must admit i think it looks pretty damn cool. nice find!

Zim
12-08-2007, 03:41
:jawdrop: That is surely one of the coolest things I've ever seen. Only thing is, at the moment at least, I'm not a count. :shame: If things improve for the better in Outremer, I may well become one, but for now no crown for me. ~:(

The only thing left is to see if it survives resizing and manages to keep its level of coolness. :2thumbsup:

Could you resize it to something siggable? I'm off to the pub with a friend right now, but I should be back in an hour or so. I'll put it right in my sig then. :yes:



edit: Zim hows this: the only thing I changed is added more lions to make the swabia thing more obvious. let me know if youd like them gone:


https://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3306/zimnj8.png (https://imageshack.us)


i must admit i think it looks pretty damn cool. nice find!

deguerra
12-08-2007, 03:44
count shmount...just plain like that the one of that silly king of yours then :D. fine with me. will do that and resize, check this spot soonish.

I believe, other than Sinan, that is everyone for the moment. I am still working on Jans, and possibly one for Alfgarda, and I havent heard from quite a few people, but I think that is it for now, yes?

edit: done and done:


https://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5452/zimcountlessvs7.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7647/zimcountlessje1.gif (https://imageshack.us)

Zim
12-08-2007, 03:47
Can't wait to see it. Feel free to make any adjustments needed to make it look ok Sig size. If it's hard to pick out the black lions from the black cross once it's shrunk down, maybe make the cross thinner, or change its color?

AussieGiant
12-08-2007, 03:50
Hi deguerra,

Did you see my request for a little more "dread aspect" for Arnold?

Cheers
AG

gibsonsg91921
12-08-2007, 04:06
oo i dig i dig.

idk how possible this is, but could you ditch the crown and put crossed swords in the back of the shield?

Ramses II CP
12-08-2007, 04:40
I like it, but seeing as Stettin had to be abandoned I think Fritz might feel a bit odd about it. Then again this isn't the sort of thing he'd have redrawn because Stettin fell, is it? If so, perhaps a red lance angling from the center outward on the subshield instead of Stettin's crest, a sort of promise.

As a motto, something obvious. I know zilch for German, but a freebie translator gave me this:

Sie sollen nicht gehen (They shall not pass)

Or, slightly shorter:

Niemand soll gehen (None shall pass)

Or, shorter, cheesy-ish, and more cryptic:

Aus vielen, ein (Out of many, one; aka E Pluribus Unum)

:egypt:

Zim
12-08-2007, 06:16
The resized shield looks great, deguerra! Thanks! :2thumbsup:

deguerra
12-08-2007, 06:16
Aussie_giant this was my reply:



most definetely, on one condition: tell me how I must admit im somewhat stumped on the issue, but if you can think of something, I can most likely incorporate it :D


Ramses, the german is atrocious, but I can help with that. although frankly a latin motto would be more likely, so whats it to be? will work on the shield

edit: gibsons91921 (i always miss someone, somehow) the swords on the subshield, yeh?

gibsonsg91921
12-08-2007, 06:26
umm, put big swords behind the whole thing. scrap the crown too - i dont want to be the political presumptive titles guy ever since jan challenged me not too.

it will be like a shield plus the swords behind, optimally. i understand that wouldn't fit on a shield in battle, but the crown wouldn't either. if thats trickier than it sounds, what i have now is fine.

deguerra
12-08-2007, 06:42
ah I get it. No, shouldnt be a problem

AussieGiant
12-08-2007, 07:00
deguerra,

sorry I missed your reply.

Maybe something more aggressive using more black and red with just a dash of white.

He wears Night Black Obsidian Armour with a Blood Red Eagle inscribed into it on the chest plate...(well at least that's the visual I have, that could also be this Griffon thing you have put in the shield).

Something "vampire like" might just do the trick also...he uses that method to keep the Hungarian's in line...

that and lining their heads on pikes for a few hundred miles seems to have worked up until the Crisis.

Ignoramus
12-08-2007, 07:20
One standard Hapsburg coat of arms, please.

deguerra
12-08-2007, 07:47
ok Aussie_Giant, I kinda went nuts ...let me know what you think. christian characters may kill you on sight...I dunno if the dread factor is increased that much:

https://img265.imageshack.us/img265/9946/arnoldtc6.png (https://imageshack.us)

ignoramus, just the habsburgs, nothing else, no house, no crown, nothing?

AussieGiant
12-08-2007, 07:56
ok Aussie_Giant, I kinda went nuts ...let me know what you think. christian characters may kill you on sight...I dunno if the dread factor is increased that much:


Mate you've got some outrageous skills...

The bat doesn't look right so that can be removed, but the fully black shield with those inscriptions behind are looking nice. What are they?

He's not the anti-Christ, so it can't be devil worship...although it seems some of you think I’m some Dark Lord of the Underworld that eats babies and slaughters innocents....it's all propaganda

I'm going to check out some stuff on Wiki and get back to you.

deguerra
12-08-2007, 07:59
the bat is intentionally crooked, or at least came like that off gogole search. i can recrify it if youd like that or remove it.

one symbols is the pentagram...that is what the pious knights will most likely kill you for. it can be a symbol of devil worship, but has so many other meanigns you could probably stand a chance in that heresy trial :P

the last is the "tripple goddess" symbol made up of three crescents, which i just stumbled upon on wikipedia and decided looked nicely evil.

so non-crooked bat or no bat?

AussieGiant
12-08-2007, 08:08
Gosh it's like working with one of my creative managers...

thanks deguerra!!

Ok so lets lose the bat.

Change the griffon to a menacing dragon...the pentagram should really go. The reason I say dragon is that I've been reading about the "Order of the Dragon" which not surprisingly involved the HRE, Austria, Ottoman's and other Baltic areas.

If signs are on the shield they need to really "hint" at something rather than slap everyone in the face. :beam:

Ignoramus
12-08-2007, 08:22
An elector's crown, but no house. After all, the Hapsburgs coat of arms basically became the Austrian ones.

econ21
12-08-2007, 13:51
Just to say, thanks deguerra! I have got the crown up and running as my sig. Thanks a bundle. :2thumbsup:

deguerra
12-08-2007, 14:02
:D good work, that crown really does look ridiculously big :laugh4: and I love it.

Sorry I didnt resize it for you, I wasn't sure you were 100% happy with it yet. Just in case I forget for other people, all I do is shrink it to 10% of its original size, and save it as a .GIF. Then upload to imageshack in thumbnail size, and tell it to remove the borders (you can do so when uploading). But Im more than happy to do it for anyone, just let me know.

Ramses II CP
12-08-2007, 14:42
Latin would be fine as well, but I'm thinking this is the kind of thing Fritz can bellow out before a battle. He's not going to be shouting it in Latin, that's for sure. :laugh4:

:egypt:

_Tristan_
12-10-2007, 21:22
Deguerra, as soon as I get my RG, I would like you to make som arms for him..

deguerra
12-12-2007, 12:30
hey all, sorry Ive been so absent, but Im working over my uni holidays so Im basically not home much during the week. I'd hoped to get most people their CoA by the Diet, I am not sure if that will work out. I have nothing on this weekend, and plenty of time as far as I can see, so I should be able to get a lot done then.

It would be a greaet help if anyone who is unhappy with theirs, or who wants a new one, or who hasn't got one yet and wants one, makes another quick post detailing what exactly they still want different/what they want it to look like if its new. I know its not always easy to tell what looks good, and Im happy to still make amendments for as long as you like, and Im also happy to make up completely new ones if people have no ideas, but just in terms of getting things done quickly this would be a big help.

I just think'd it'd be neat if I had them up and running ASAP.

Thanks,

Dennis (oh yes, hi, I'm Dennis btw. yes a german called Dennis, long story really but aren't you glad it's easy to pronounce, oh wait you don't really need to pronounce it, but if you did it would be easier than some of the names we Germans come up with)

FactionHeir
12-12-2007, 12:35
*start gripe*

Need a resize (make smaller) of Hans' ducal crown and make his shield slightly larger overall. Or actually, do the thing with the crown first. That might change a lot.

For Ruppel's coa, an intermediate width between the 2 lances you posted would be fine. Helmet can be somewhat smaller (and less tall) and get some decoration, in terms of leaves (Kränze, Lorbeeren) and maybe no crown on top.

Thanks

Northnovas
12-12-2007, 14:57
Dennis (oh yes, hi, I'm Dennis btw. yes a german called Dennis, long story really but aren't you glad it's easy to pronounce, oh wait you don't really need to pronounce it, but if you did it would be easier than some of the names we Germans come up with)

Dennis, much easier to greet then Ludwig von Böhmen.:eyebrows:

I have to say again great work!:2thumbsup:

OverKnight
12-12-2007, 15:20
Hey deguerra, again great work. :2thumbsup:

The url link I use for my sig picture appears to be broken, I'm getting a dreaded red x.

Would you mind reposting the black and gold Crusader Shield? The large format is fine because I'm going to save a copy and resize for my sig and use a large one for the Outremer Thread.

Thanks!

deguerra
12-16-2007, 01:43
hey guys im finally alive again.

FH, ive made the crown much smaller on this one for Hans, but left it at roughly the same width as that shouldnt matter to making the shield larger. what do you think?

https://img147.imageshack.us/img147/3820/hans2vw2.png (https://imageshack.us)

I assume youve worked your problem out OK? I certainly didnt remove any files from imageshack

FactionHeir
12-16-2007, 01:46
Very nice, thanks :grin:
Will have it arranged for the Mausoleum

vpmd
12-16-2007, 02:01
Hey, deguerra, I'd like to request a coat of arms for my character, Hans von Bavaria. Just Bavarian colors, of course, and an eagle, I think, but besides that please do whatever you feel is best.

Thanks in advance.

deguerra
12-16-2007, 02:13
so you're joining bavaria vpmd, or is the bavaria reference just for your character? in that case do you want something for your house as well?

vpmd
12-16-2007, 02:17
No, I'm in Bavaria, that's why I picked the avatar. So just the Bavarian colors. Azure and... whatever white is. Oh well, at least I knew one, though I have no idea how.

deguerra
12-16-2007, 02:33
ok. so what i wanted from my post this week was:

-make arnolds more dready

-stuff (swords i believe) for peter

-deal with FHs general pickiness (:clown: ) should be mostly done

-lance instead of my awesome griffin for fritz, as well as a motto in bad german (:clown: )

-new guys (tristan and vpmd so far)

-flydude:

ANYBODY ELSE? if you're not on here, i HAVE forgotten you and I wont be working on it unless you tell me again

deguerra
12-16-2007, 02:37
now FH, im sorry, but the leaves and laurels aren't working. ive made the helmet smaller, is it ok like this:

https://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6906/erhardtlt4.png (https://imageshack.us)

Privateerkev
12-16-2007, 02:37
One for my current avatar but I would like to hold off until I see if he gets permission to go to Outremer. So this is "on hold".

One for my previous avatar Jan. You made one but said you could add small details in time. Consider this to be of a low priority since this will just go on your front page and the mausoleum.

One for Alfgarda if you really want to. This would just go on your front page and should be a very low priority.

So, please take care of the current avatars before you get to my old ones. I'll let you know when I know what I want for Dieter von Essen.

deguerra
12-16-2007, 02:42
i think i finished Jans but didnt get a chance to upload it...just a sec:

https://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1139/jan2ws0.png (https://imageshack.us)

as always, im open for criticism and suggestions (edit: unofrunately the details are hard to spot)

Privateerkev
12-16-2007, 02:46
Awesome!

Thanks a lot!

:2thumbsup:

flyd
12-16-2007, 03:01
These are pretty cool, I guess I'll request one for Lukas.

I'd like a Franconian background. The small shield (which should be one of the bigger ones, since there is no detail in the background), should be divided into four parts. In the top left should be the English coat of arms, but without the French part, just the red/yellow three lions. In the top right should be the Hamburg coat of arms, and on the bottom right the Krakow coat of arms (gotta make that claim!). The bottom left should be without symbol, painted entirely black. No crown as my character is not a Count yet.

Thanks.

deguerra
12-16-2007, 03:10
no worries, flydude, ill add you to my list.

hows this for peter:

https://img262.imageshack.us/img262/8808/peter2sj1.png (https://imageshack.us)

the swords are actully very hard to get right, but im open for criticism and suggestions

deguerra
12-16-2007, 03:29
and this for fritz. added the lance, made the griffin smaller. sorry, but i liked it too much not to give it another chance. if you really want it gone, let me know:

https://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6041/fritz2lp4.png (https://imageshack.us)

the motto is a variation of "none shall pass" but can also be read as "nobody comes around here much" which i thought fit nicely to fritzs rather solitary character

edit: and a new one for arnold:

https://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5630/arnold3hk8.png (https://imageshack.us)

edit: and vpmd:

https://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4963/vpmduq4.png (https://imageshack.us)

Ramses II CP
12-16-2007, 05:28
Brilliant m'man, thanks! Can I get it sig sized? :)

:egypt:

gibsonsg91921
12-16-2007, 05:31
yeah, same!

deguerra
12-16-2007, 05:45
ok:

FLYdude:
https://img106.imageshack.us/img106/8382/flydudehj3.png (https://imageshack.us)

Fritz:

https://img106.imageshack.us/img106/8626/fritz2ey2.gif (https://imageshack.us)

Peter:

https://img106.imageshack.us/img106/8158/peter2ed8.gif (https://imageshack.us)

Ramses II CP
12-16-2007, 05:56
Testy, testy.

:egypt:

flyd
12-16-2007, 06:06
That is very exactly what I described, though I guess I've changed my mind about the black region now that I see how it looks. I suppose it should have a white cross in it. It should be very simple, just horizontal and vertical white bands that run the entire height/width of the region.

deguerra
12-16-2007, 08:15
sure no worries. also the england red looks somehow different, will look into that. so long as youre happy with the krakow, because that took the longest by far :D

deguerra
12-16-2007, 08:24
like so?

https://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6418/flydudewa4.png (https://imageshack.us)

_Tristan_
12-16-2007, 09:33
deguerra, I'd like you to make Hugo a coat of arms

As a basis I would like a templar shield (red cross/white background), with the upper left corner fleur-de-lis with a black band across (as a French renegade) and lower right Imperial colors (in stripes ??)

For the Subshield, A white deer's head with antlers on a green background... (true arms or the de Cervole family...)

That's about it

deguerra
12-16-2007, 09:36
two questions:

nothing for swabia?

the main shield. is it actually quartered? I assume not, otherwise the templar cross doesnt work, but how do you want the imperial colours? in what shape or form i mean?

_Tristan_
12-16-2007, 14:44
Just to clarify...

I would like the templar cross in the center of the shield dividing it in 4 quarters with the said colors in the quarters...

As for Imperial Colors, either stripes alternating sable and gold or a sable eagle on a gold background

What are the colours of Swabia ? and its elements ?

I forgot to add : no crown but a helm would be cool...

For your crowns, here are the true crowns of Kaiser, Elector and so on...

http://www.heraldique-europeenne.org/Accueil.htm

check the section, geography - Allemagne - Couronnes

gibsonsg91921
12-16-2007, 16:15
Thanks, deguerra. These are too cool.

deguerra
12-16-2007, 23:03
i am proud to say tristan, i failed at reading your post entrirely, and my school french got me there as well :D

in any case, those are fabulous, and I hate you because now I want to redo everything. Might seriously consider it.

In any case though, I think Ive got what you want for your sheet.

thanks!!

edit: i highly recommend everyone checks out those crowns. if you want me to replace yours, let me know!

vpmd
12-16-2007, 23:10
Mine's great, deguerra, can you make it sig sized for me as well?


Thanks again.

Ignoramus
12-16-2007, 23:18
Have you done mine yet, deguerra?

deguerra
12-16-2007, 23:21
hey ignoramus,

sorry kinda forgot about you, but yours is easy i might do it tonight when i get home from work.

check out tristans crowns if you want

edit: are you looking for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Counts_of_Habsburg_Arms.svg

or this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_the_Habsburg_Monarchy.svg

Ignoramus
12-16-2007, 23:25
The top one.

deguerra
12-17-2007, 00:01
gotcha.

tristan, thats a really great website. just one question: some subcategories (crusader states other than jerusalem for example) have categories but no links. i assume that just means those pages dont exist yet?

im very torn wether i should redo all my crowns now! damn you :laugh4:

_Tristan_
12-17-2007, 09:11
Hey, deguerra, seeing you got working hard on those things I thought I could point you to some great material...

How's mine going ?

deguerra
12-17-2007, 09:18
haven't even started. I work all day this week (doing some vacation work in my uni holidays) and Im fairly dead when I get home. Might do some tonight, but I'm also playing netball ( :viking: for those of you who know what netball is) so I promise nothing. Will do it at the weekend at latest.

edit: I'm still really torn about actually redoing all the CoA with your crowns. I really like them

_Tristan_
12-17-2007, 09:31
Thanks, no hurry...

I was torn also when posting, knowing all the work and dedication put into your work and knowing you would probably reconsider doing them with those...

deguerra
12-17-2007, 14:36
yeh sorry didnt happen tonight. but thankyou very much for posting the link, even if I dont end up redoing things, it will still be very cool to have them around

FactionHeir
12-17-2007, 16:51
Can you post a sig size coat for Hans please? Seems the current one is too big for the mausoleum :grin:

AussieGiant
12-20-2007, 18:13
Hi deguerra,

It seems my signature shield is not working and I have no idea why.

Can you please help?

deguerra
12-20-2007, 21:01
the one currently in your signature is working for me, but its your old one. I hand't made a signature sized version of your new one, but here you go:

https://img86.imageshack.us/img86/1885/arnold3ft6.gif (https://imageshack.us)

altneratively, wait til this arvo, when I can add one of tristans crowns

cheers
deguerra

AussieGiant
12-20-2007, 22:42
bloody hell deguerra that's amazing...I'll also wait for version three given how good you are at this.

Should I save this an upload it on my own Photo bucket account to make sure the link doesn't get lost?

deguerra
12-20-2007, 22:46
if you want to keep THAT particular one, as opposed to one I can make with a different crown, then yeh, probably save it by yourself, as I want to reorganise my imageshack account when I make the new crowns. but the finished ones will always remain uploaded at imageshack and should theoretically be available

AussieGiant
12-20-2007, 22:50
if you want to keep THAT particular one, as opposed to one I can make with a different crown, then yeh, probably save it by yourself, as I want to reorganise my imageshack account when I make the new crowns. but the finished ones will always remain uploaded at imageshack and should theoretically be available

Ok I've saved it anyway...so after you've done v3 then I'll save that and then upload it so you can reorganise whenever you want.

Thanks a lot deguerra.

deguerra
12-22-2007, 00:46
ok tristan,

i realized just before I didnt see your question about swabia: its just black lions on a golden background (to stay out of heraldric speak :D). Ive added them into this first version but if youd rather not have them, just let me know:

edit2: having acutally re-read your post on the last page, i will be back...the good news is you never saw this one. bwahahaha

edit: now a signature sized one for Hans, and still need to do Ignoramus'. Sorry for the wait Iggy!

edit3: ahah. now for a second try:


https://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6146/tristanhz8.png (https://imageshack.us)

deguerra
12-22-2007, 03:45
and one for ignoramus. left it pretty much as it is on wikipedia, except making the colours slightly darker, as i thought them too...bright:

https://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9743/hapsburgah8.png (https://imageshack.us)

deguerra
12-22-2007, 04:02
wohoo. tripple post

one siggy size CoA for Hans' mausoleum:

https://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1500/hans2fo6.gif (https://imageshack.us)

_Tristan_
12-22-2007, 17:16
Deguerra, this looks real cool...

Just a few changes if you please :

1 - Make the stag all white (no golden antlers)

2 - Make the upper left and lower right corners all white ( with perhaps the same design as du Guesclin : a two-headed eagle with a red band crossing on it).

3 - Place the Swabian Lion and colours in the lower left corner...


I really like what you did with the fleur de lis... This will remain absolutely untouched...

deguerra
12-23-2007, 04:24
like this:

https://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4159/tristaned9.png (https://imageshack.us)

deguerra
12-23-2007, 05:09
AussieGiant, I didnt quite like your dragon yet, let me know if this is ok for you, and ill make a smaller verison too:

https://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1629/arnold3lg3.png (https://imageshack.us)

AussieGiant
12-23-2007, 09:09
It looks good to me...why don't you like it? You're my creative consultant...can you do better? :beam:

deguerra
12-23-2007, 09:17
that one is slightly different. the claws and various things are now white instead of black, so you can actually see them. are you happy with that as final product?

AussieGiant
12-23-2007, 10:15
that one is slightly different. the claws and various things are now white instead of black, so you can actually see them. are you happy with that as final product?


Camping happily deguerra. If you can shrinky shrinky then I'll post it up on photo bucket and be very dready dready. Thanks again.

deguerra
12-23-2007, 10:38
excellent. here you are then:

https://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3438/arnold3gw0.gif (https://imageshack.us)

AussieGiant
12-23-2007, 10:46
thanks deguerra.

All done now.

_Tristan_
12-23-2007, 13:59
That's fine... Real fine...

Just for the finishing touch... Could you take away the red slash on both eagles ?

If so, it will be right on the mark...

PS : one little item : make the fleur de lis more silver than gold...

vpmd
12-23-2007, 16:15
Hey, deguerra, just wondering if you got my request to make a sig size of Han von Bavaria's CoA, since you seem to be doing more CoAs now.

deguerra
12-24-2007, 01:54
will do tristan.

will get onto it vpmd. please everyone do keep bugging me if i forget you, i just sometimes skim over things too quickly and sometimes just flat-out forget stuff. sorry.

TinCow
12-28-2007, 01:22
I have updated the Library and Mausoleum with all of the signature sized coats of arms I could find. If there are sig sized coats of arms for the following people located anywhere, please let me know:

Jan von Hamburg
Tancred von Tyrolia
Dieter von Kassel
Ehrhart Ruppel
Hugo de Cervole
Lukas Godwinson
Maximillan von Hapsburg
Dieter von Essen
Hans von Bavaria
Johann Zirn

deguerra
12-28-2007, 02:03
there are not. thanks for the list tincow that gives a good overview. ive been kind of lazy waiting on wether i can incorporate the new crowns. ill make signature sizes for all those and post them here.

Zim
12-28-2007, 02:09
If you want to use one of the new crowns for Andreas now that he's Count of Acre, I doubt he'd complain. :beam:

deguerra
12-28-2007, 02:21
good good. the problem is the crowns are currently quite small and im trying to get larger versions of them. i shall see if it amounts to anything, otherwise stick to those i know

deguerra
12-30-2007, 02:31
ok.

1. Tristan's new crowns are out for the moment, as I cannot seem to be able to get them in a decent size. Shame. On the bright side that means less work for me :D

2. Sorry for the delay. Here are:

Tristan:

https://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5396/tristanmh4.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img120.imageshack.us/img120/3393/tristanln9.gif (https://imageshack.us)

Flydude: (just the small one missing)

https://img120.imageshack.us/img120/4019/flydudebr9.gif (https://imageshack.us)

and Zim, with new crown:

https://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3306/zimnj8.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img120.imageshack.us/img120/9298/zimvq8.gif (https://imageshack.us)

Tincow, I will hopefully get onto that list very soon, I'll let you know in a new post once Ive updated stuff at the beginning of the thread.

edit: It was vmpd, not flydude, oh well hes got his as well now.

vmpd, heres yours:


https://img120.imageshack.us/img120/8449/vpmdwj4.gif (https://imageshack.us)

Zim
12-30-2007, 08:28
Thanks deguerra. It looks great. :beam:

_Tristan_
01-01-2008, 10:15
Thanks, deguerra...

My CoA looks real fine...

One small problem though, I can't seem to be able to get them on my comp to upload them for putting in my sig... "Save the image as..." doesn't work...

Is there anywhere I can DL them from ?

deguerra
01-01-2008, 12:25
just a sec ill dig up the proper imageshack link for you

https://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tristanln9.gif

and

https://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tristanmh4.png

if you click on those, and then perhaps try right-clicking and "save as" again. If that still doesnt work Ill send them to you :thumbsup:

Ferret
01-01-2008, 14:31
Do you think you could update Dieter's CoAs so that he has a Ducal crown now that he is Duke of Franconia?

_Tristan_
01-01-2008, 21:43
Thx deguerra... It worked fine...

Ferret
01-03-2008, 18:01
where's my Ducal crown damnit? :clown:

deguerra
01-03-2008, 23:35
yesyesyes :laugh4:

sorry ive been a bit lazy, but that wont take long at all. ill have it done by today!

econ21
01-04-2008, 12:41
Now that Elberhard is dead, I can't be lugging his enormous crown around on my signature. (Kaiser Peter needs it or something like it.)

deguerra, is it possible to have a coat of arms for my new avatar Welf von Luxemburg? He's a Swabian who has married into Elberhard's family, wedding his eldest daughter. He's not a Count and is "plain".

I see him as an offspring of some rich, but aristocratically low, family from Luxemburg so if there is any heraldry for that region or anywhere near abouts, it would be good. Perhaps mixed with a quarter of the Imperial heraldry and a quarter of the Swabian one?

AussieGiant
01-04-2008, 12:49
Now that Elberhard is dead, I can't be lugging his enormous crown around on my signature. (Kaiser Peter needs it or something like it.)

deguerra, is it possible to have a coat of arms for my new avatar Welf von Luxemburg? He's a Swabian who has married into Elberhard's family, wedding his eldest daughter. He's not a Count and is "plain".

I see him as an offspring of some rich, but aristocratically low, family from Luxemburg so if there is any heraldry for that region or anywhere near abouts, it would be good. Perhaps mixed with a quarter of the Imperial heraldry and a quarter of the Swabian one?

You're a opportunist rogue econ!!! Just watch yourself..that's all I'm saying :beam:

Northnovas
01-04-2008, 13:06
deguerra, I never thought but I guess I should have something for Johann similar to Karl's Austrian coat. Maybe remove the crusader cross or possible move it to the right corner of the shield a small cross??

gibsonsg91921
01-04-2008, 22:40
i still haven't put mine in the sig, i will soon.

i don't need a crown to glorify my achievements...

GeneralHankerchief
01-04-2008, 23:09
Hmm, I think it's time old Kaiser Heinrich had a shield of his own.

Since gibson doesn't want that crown, let's grab that. :yes:

I'd also like the Imperial Eagle (minus econ's subshield) and something representing Rome.

Thanks a lot. :bow:

deguerra
01-05-2008, 02:34
ok heres what i want to do today:

1. get EF his ducal crown: done below

2. econ21 will get his new one

3. northnovas will get his new one

4. i will (finally) get TinCow all the remaining sig sizes ones he (and the players) need

Possibly today, but maybe some other day I will

5. get old Kaiser Heinrich his

and 6. finally update the first post to reflect the new sigs and those in 4.

Anyway, heres youres EF:

https://img112.imageshack.us/img112/473/eliteferret2zt1.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img112.imageshack.us/img112/2373/eliteferret2it3.gif (https://imageshack.us)

deguerra
01-05-2008, 03:11
hows this econ? im not 100% happy about it yet...maybe you have an idea

https://img112.imageshack.us/img112/7/econ21yx4.png (https://imageshack.us)

deguerra
01-05-2008, 03:16
NN: is this what you meant?

https://img112.imageshack.us/img112/7425/nn2nb9.png (https://imageshack.us)

econ21
01-05-2008, 03:18
hows this econ? im not 100% happy about it yet...maybe you have an idea

I think it is good, just what I was thinking of - thanks. :bow:

If you can post a small one, I'll say goodbye to my current sig.

deguerra
01-05-2008, 03:20
i dont quite like the two golden backgrounds above one another...would you mind if I gave the eagle a white background, like in tristans?

edit: nah doesnt work either

deguerra
01-05-2008, 03:25
is this better or worse? just inverted the colours...he is an upstart after all :P
https://img112.imageshack.us/img112/9537/econ211ob4.png (https://imageshack.us)

deguerra
01-05-2008, 04:35
now, finally for TinCows list:

Jan von Hamburg:https://img127.imageshack.us/img127/6016/jan2oi7.gif (https://imageshack.us)


Tancred von Tyrolia:https://img127.imageshack.us/img127/4403/dutchguynl4.gif (https://imageshack.us)


Dieter von Kassel: hasn't got one yet, I don't think


Ehrhart Ruppel: https://img127.imageshack.us/img127/5497/erhardtzg5.gif (https://imageshack.us)


Hugo de Cervole: see above, but possibly wants silver fleur de lys (just noticed)


Lukas Godwinson: https://img127.imageshack.us/img127/4656/flydudemd6.gif (https://imageshack.us)


Maximillan von Hapsburg:https://img127.imageshack.us/img127/684/hapsburgel3.gif (https://imageshack.us)


Dieter von Essen:hasn't got one yet


Hans von Bavaria: https://img120.imageshack.us/img120/8449/vpmdwj4.gif (https://imageshack.us)


Johann Zirn:see above

econ21
01-05-2008, 04:43
is this better or worse? just inverted the colours...he is an upstart after all

Aesthetically, it looks better - I agree. Let's go with that. :2thumbsup:

deguerra
01-05-2008, 04:47
excellent

here you are then:

https://img174.imageshack.us/img174/4935/econ21qe5.gif (https://imageshack.us)

love the story with eue and welf, by the way. I was rather hopeful of getting Eue, but obvioulsy that wasn't possible once you killed Eberhard :P. Maybe I ought to kidnap her one day and take her on an adulterous voyage of the Outremer. THAT would make a good story :D

Ferret
01-05-2008, 12:39
cheers Deguerra, you are truly an artist.

Northnovas
01-05-2008, 17:31
NN: is this what you meant?

Yes, nicely done. Something very simple to show some family history we will see what the avatar will do to add some more colour in the future. :2thumbsup:

Dutch_guy
01-05-2008, 17:39
Mine's going directly into my sig, thanks a lot deguerra

:balloon2:

deguerra
01-16-2008, 10:21
ouch, down to the second last thread :beam:

remember anybody, if you want anything just let me know.

in the meantime, here you are tristan, i had some spare time

https://img81.imageshack.us/img81/4177/tristan2dk3.png (https://imageshack.us)https://img81.imageshack.us/img81/6391/tristan2sd6.gif (https://imageshack.us)

deguerra
03-11-2008, 06:36
My god its been a while. But Zim asked for one for his new cannonfodder

How's this?


https://img356.imageshack.us/img356/7634/zirngg1.gif (https://imageshack.us)


Would you like any sort of decoration? And anything else?

Zim
03-11-2008, 07:00
Looks great. :2thumbsup: I can't really think of anything to add, especially as the new cannonf...character is a bit on the young side.

AussieGiant
03-11-2008, 10:13
Guy's guy's guy's. Canon fodder...please, it's not that bad...it's just very dangerous in Austria...keep your eyes open and your sword handy and you'll be fine.

:egypt:

Zim
03-11-2008, 10:24
Deguerra's joke appears to be quite versatile. I assumed it was a reference to both of my prior characters dying in battle. Considering my bad luck, I wonder if I'm asking for it by picking the most dangerous House. ~;)


Guy's guy's guy's. Canon fodder...please, it's not that bad...it's just very dangerous in Austria...keep your eyes open and your sword handy and you'll be fine.

:egypt:

Zim
03-11-2008, 10:26
Would this be a bad time to say I just realized Jan is Count of Zagreb and not Venice? Ah well, I'll just say his Coat of Arms is meant to show his ambition for greater things. :beam:

AussieGiant
03-11-2008, 10:31
Yes indeed he is the Count of Zagreb...the newly relieved city joining north and south Austria.

deguerra
03-11-2008, 11:39
LOL. Well I will think something up for Zagreb, and add a counts crown :D