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Re: A Literal Attack on British Democracy
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Originally Posted by
Seamus Fermanagh
My google trans effort has failed yet again
Long time ago, I wrote a book about my adventures in Bosnia, in French. I wanted to share it with English friends, and started to use google trans. The result was a disaster... So, the book being more than 100 pages, I just stopped,:laugh4:
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Re: A Literal Attack on British Democracy
It is amazing to see how a thread on terrorism in Britain has devolved into discussing the shortcomings of Cyrillic alphabet and Google translator.
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Re: A Literal Attack on British Democracy
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Originally Posted by
Brenus
Long time ago, I wrote a book about my adventures in Bosnia, in French. I wanted to share it with English friends, and started to use google trans. The result was a disaster... So, the book being more than 100 pages, I just stopped,:laugh4:
You didn't translate it yourself?
I wanted to read it :(
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Re: A Literal Attack on British Democracy
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Originally Posted by
Brenus
Long time ago, I wrote a book about my adventures in Bosnia, in French. I wanted to share it with English friends, and started to use google trans. The result was a disaster... So, the book being more than 100 pages, I just stopped,:laugh4:
Send it to Martin Windrow? :P
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Re: A Literal Attack on British Democracy
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Originally Posted by
Gilrandir
It is amazing to see how a thread on terrorism in Britain has devolved into discussing the shortcomings of Cyrillic alphabet and Google translator.
There are no shortcomings of Cyrillic alphabet. It is the Rolls Royce of alphabets. If there was an Olympics for alphabets, Cyrillic would dominate.
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Re: A Literal Attack on British Democracy
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Originally Posted by
Gilrandir
It is amazing to see how a thread on terrorism in Britain has devolved into discussing the shortcomings of Cyrillic alphabet and Google translator.
Cyrilic is great: that's the only thing I did not forget from five years learning russian (well, 30 years ago)
Just too many threads on terrorism... Throwing a "ж" or a "ч" starts the alphabetic war? My bet on the Thai one. I wonder why we keep starting threads for every terrorist act in western europe: motivations are the same, reactions are the same, blood is blood, and orphans, orphans.
SFTS has started a spree of alphabetic brutality: that's most refreshing and I'd love it to keep us happy until the next (true) slaughter. No motivations, no blood, no orphans. Just plain conflict on an abstract matter*.
Thinking about it another way would kick it out of the backroom anyway.
*damn, just like wars of religion, but without tears normally.
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Re: A Literal Attack on British Democracy
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Originally Posted by
Sarmatian
There are no shortcomings of Cyrillic alphabet. It is the Rolls Royce of alphabets. If there was an Olympics for alphabets, Cyrillic would dominate.
Alphabets are passe. Character sets are where it's at.
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Re: A Literal Attack on British Democracy
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Originally Posted by
Sarmatian
There are no shortcomings of Cyrillic alphabet. It is the Rolls Royce of alphabets. If there was an Olympics for alphabets, Cyrillic would dominate.
It's neither Latin, nor Greek, nor Hebrew, nor Han Chinese.
:rtwno:
:knuddel:
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Re: A Literal Attack on British Democracy
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Originally Posted by
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
It's neither Latin, nor Greek, nor Hebrew, nor Han Chinese.
:rtwno:
:knuddel:
All inferior cultures. Proof? If they weren't inferior, they would have developed Cyrillic alphabet.
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Re: A Literal Attack on British Democracy
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If they weren't inferior, they would have developed Cyrillic alphabet.
Waiiit a second...
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Re: A Literal Attack on British Democracy
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Originally Posted by
Sarmatian
All inferior cultures. Proof? If they weren't inferior, they would have developed Cyrillic alphabet.
Actually, the Greeks DID develop it.
To teach the Slavs about God.
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They developed Glagolitic alphabet, on which Cyrillic is based.
Greeks are slightly better than the rest of you barbarians.
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Re: A Literal Attack on British Democracy
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Originally Posted by
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
It's neither Latin, nor Greek, nor Hebrew, nor Han Chinese.
Chinese doesn't use alphabet. The latter is a haphazard number of symbols representing sounds (or combinations of sounds). Chinese characters represent words.
Generally, seeing the ardour of the discussion in this thread I would assume that Cyrillic alphabet is a literal attack on British democracy.
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Re: A Literal Attack on British Democracy
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Originally Posted by
Sarmatian
Greeks are slightly better than the rest of you barbarians.
You think so because they don't owe your country anything.
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Re: A Literal Attack on British Democracy
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Originally Posted by
Gilrandir
Chinese doesn't use alphabet. The latter is a haphazard number of symbols representing sounds (or combinations of sounds). Chinese characters represent words.
Generally, seeing the ardour of the discussion in this thread I would assume that Cyrillic alphabet is a literal attack on British democracy.
It depends on how the alphabet is arranged. There is a (probably apocryphal) story about British bombers dropping leaflets on Germany during the early stages of WWII. An absent-minded bombardier forget to undo the strings of one package before shoving it out of the door, and another crew member admonished him, "Careful, you might hurt somebody like that."
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Re: A Literal Attack on British Democracy
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Originally Posted by
Pannonian
It depends on how the alphabet is arranged.
Traditionally, alphabet has no systematic arrangement. There is no reason why A is followed by B and the latter by C and so on. An attempt to turn it into reasonable system was made by Tolkien when he created Tengwar.
http://www.omniglot.com/conscripts/tengwar.htm
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Re: A Literal Attack on British Democracy
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Originally Posted by
Gilrandir
Chinese doesn't use alphabet. The latter is a haphazard number of symbols representing sounds (or combinations of sounds). Chinese characters represent words.
Generally, seeing the ardour of the discussion in this thread I would assume that Cyrillic alphabet is a literal attack on British democracy.
Chinese characters are broken down into both phonetic and semantic components. The forms are not un-analyzable. As for whether the system is "more" phonetic than semantic, or vice-versa, is debated.
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Re: A Literal Attack on British Democracy
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Originally Posted by
Gilrandir
Traditionally, alphabet has no systematic arrangement. There is no reason why A is followed by B and the latter by C and so on. An attempt to turn it into reasonable system was made by Tolkien when he created Tengwar.
http://www.omniglot.com/conscripts/tengwar.htm
Like in the example I gave. If you bundle 5 lbs of leaflets written in the Cyrillic alphabet, tie it all up with a bit of string, and chuck the bundle out of an airplane at 10,000 ft, to land on the Houses of Commons, it can be construed as a direct attack on British democracy.
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There is the Shavian Alphabet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shavian_alphabet
Effectively it is to give each sound its own letter within the English language. Though someone decided on those shapes to represent the letters, on the basis that it could be done with a single written stroke.
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Re: A Literal Attack on British Democracy
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Originally Posted by
Sarmatian
They developed Glagolitic alphabet, on which Cyrillic is based.
Greeks are slightly better than the rest of you barbarians.
I love the irony of this, since we have that word thanks to the ancient Greeks....
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Re: A Literal Attack on British Democracy
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Originally Posted by
Pannonian
Like in the example I gave. If you bundle 5 lbs of leaflets written in the Cyrillic alphabet, tie it all up with a bit of string, and chuck the bundle out of an airplane at 10,000 ft, to land on the Houses of Commons, it can be construed as a direct attack on British democracy.
Does Keeping up with the Kardashians also constitute such an attack or does it represent a more broadly targeted terrorist effort?
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Re: A Literal Attack on British Democracy
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Originally Posted by
Seamus Fermanagh
Does Keeping up with the Kardashians also constitute such an attack or does it represent a more broadly targeted terrorist effort?
If the bindings hold, then it constitutes a targeted terrorist strike. If the bindings come undone, so the pages fly out all over London, then it's the equivalent of a dirty bomb, with a wide area of contamination.
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Re: A Literal Attack on British Democracy
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Originally Posted by
Sarmatian
They developed Glagolitic alphabet, on which Cyrillic is based.
Greeks are slightly better than the rest of you barbarians.
Damn it, if I only had three legions I'd show you what for!
#MakeRomeGreatAgain
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Re: A Literal Attack on British Democracy
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Originally Posted by
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
Damn it, if I only had three legions I'd show you what for!
#MakeRomeGreatAgain
Are you trying to make yourself a king? Consuls make do with two legions.
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Re: A Literal Attack on British Democracy
Maybe he was channeling his inner Varus.
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Re: A Literal Attack on British Democracy
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Originally Posted by
Pannonian
Are you trying to make yourself a king? Consuls make do with two legions.
They used 8 at Cannae....albeit not well enough.
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Re: A Literal Attack on British Democracy
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Originally Posted by
Montmorency
Chinese characters are broken down into both phonetic and semantic components. The forms are not un-analyzable. As for whether the system is "more" phonetic than semantic, or vice-versa, is debated.
Not all characters are complex, there are simple ones, unanalyzable. But even in the two-component hieroglyphs the phonetic element doesn't represent a sound or a combination of sounds, but rather shows the way the whole symbol is pronounced. Moreover, the number of characters (several dozens thousands) is definitely greater than alphabetical systems include (several dozens). So in no way Chinese script can be counted among alphabetic ones.