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Re: Israel's Plan for its Arab citizens
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Originally Posted by
Rhyfelwyr
In what sense was he a leftist?
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions"
Adolf Hitler
Russia was just an enemy strategically (and not the master-race). A racist extreme-leftist.
What Montmorency says could be true, don't remember it but I could have said it, as some historians say it was just a heist. Jews had a lot of money, and Hitler needed it. If I said such a thing it was a reference.
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Originally Posted by
Fragony
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions"
Adolf Hitler
Russia was just an enemy strategically (and not the master-race). A racist extreme-leftist.
Such a socialist:
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Originally Posted by Hitler
The Jewish doctrine of Marxism rejects the aristocratic principle of Nature and replaces the eternal privilege of power and strength by the mass of numbers and their dead weight. Thus it denies the value of personality in man, contests the significance of nationality and race, and thereby withdraws from humanity the premise of its existence and its culture. As a foundation of the universe, this doctrine would bring about the end of any order intellectually conceivable to man. And as, in this greatest of all recognizable organisms, the result of an application of such a law could only be chaos, on earth it could only be destruction for the inhabitants of this planet.
...And this is directly from Mein Kampf, Frags. Your quote is not directly from a work of Hitler.
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Hence national-socialism. It's a shame AdrianII isn't posting here anymore as I am pretty sure he must have read the works of Haffner. I tried looking for it but there don't seem to be any English translations of his books, if there are I recommend them.
It is Marx who wrote La question Juive. i haven't read Mein Kampf but it supposedly has references to it (I am not sure of that) but my quote is absolutily from Hitler.
Edit, fair play, http://europeanhistory.about.com/od/...rical-Myth.htm
^ other take
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So why are the leftist parties so fond of immigration nowadays? Since they're supposed to be racist and all.
I'll be bored to point out that opposing capitalism or wanting to support the workers from exploitation isn't inheirently on the left. Now, talking a lot about eqaulity, rather than being part of a greater whole and you start to approach left only territory.
Edit: Ugh. I skimmed the link and its off at several places, but it also disagrees with the notion you claim.
Basically, the left is all about being equal. No matter race, gender, class etc. While class is the starting point, the rest is important enough, that those movement can attach themselves and progress even with a dictator on the top.
That type of right is all about being cared about if you're proper. It's the small town that goes and donates to their local church and take care of their own poor. Everyone greets eachother. They also find that guy who moved in 20 years ago still suspect, so and since he's poor, he clearly suspect and since he's not one of our own, he won't get any money. The girl who got pregnant at 15 and doesn't tell about the father is totally shunned and should preferbly be shunned by her own parents. But if she does a proper repentance, she might belong to the group again and be forgiven.
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Originally Posted by
Fragony
It is Marx who wrote La question Juive.
Yes? What of it?
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Leftists are fond of immigration because immigrants tend to vote left because that is where the clientism is. As simple as that. They are importing voters.
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Originally Posted by
Fragony
Leftists are fond of immigration because immigrants tend to vote left because that is where the clientism is. As simple as that. They are importing voters.
Actually Id put it round the other way - Immigrants are fond of the Left because the Right is inherently Anti-immigration.
Would you vote for someone who campaigns on the premise that you are a benefit seeking fraud who never should have been allowed in the country in the first place?
That line goes over well with Natives - but instantly alienates any potential Immigrant vote
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Originally Posted by
Sir Moody
Actually Id put it round the other way - Immigrants are fond of the Left because the Right is inherently Anti-immigration.
Would you vote for someone who campaigns on the premise that you are a benefit seeking fraud who never should have been allowed in the country in the first place?
That line goes over well with Natives - but instantly alienates any potential Immigrant vote
I don't vote at all, both flavours are only interested in getting the nicest positions. If democracy would be real it couldn't exist. Who rules who is beyond our control, all that matters to me is that nobody close to me gets hurt.
Yes, I am cynical. I just don't believe in anything.
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In other news, the Israeli parliament will be voting on a new bill which would formally declare Israel as a Jewish state.
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Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman, chairman of Yisrael Beytenu, said at a meeting of his party’s faction that while Israel is Jewish and democratic, “Jewish values come before democratic values if and when there is a clash between them.”
See, this is just :daisy:. No modern Western state can call itself a true democratic state and at the same time declare itself for a religion. If this bill is passed, Israel will forfeit any claim it has that it is a democratic country.
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Originally Posted by
Hooahguy
Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman, chairman of Yisrael Beytenu, said at a meeting of his party’s faction that while Israel is Jewish and democratic, “Jewish values come before democratic values if and when there is a clash between them.”
Those damn Russians cause trouble wherever they go. As soon as they reach a certain critical mass within the society, they try to turn their new host country into new mini-Russia.
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Uh-oh, nasty attack on a synagogue In Jerusalem, what are we looking at, this could seriously escalate.
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Since Frags is being Frags, here's a link.
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Originally Posted by
HoreTore
Since Frags is being Frags, here's a
link.
Could only find a Dutch link sorry. Considering the recent language this be really bad news for the Arab Israeli's, I hope everyone keeps it's cools.
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Such a tragedy. With this new attack claiming at least four Israeli and two Palestinian lives, things are only going to escalate. Hamas is celebrating the attack, Israel is promising a heavy handed response. Things are only going to get worse.
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At some point, you know, people on both sides (macros sides, the sub-parties are myriad) of this dispute WILL recognize that killing one another is not accomplishing the objective. Just saying.
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Originally Posted by
Seamus Fermanagh
At some point, you know, people on both sides (macros sides, the sub-parties are myriad) of this dispute WILL recognize that killing one another is not accomplishing the objective. Just saying.
I wish I shared your optimism.
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I am reminded of this timeless Polandball comic:
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Originally Posted by
Hooahguy
I am reminded of this timeless Polandball comic:
Love polandball, +1 for the 40K!
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There is almost always a relevant polandball. Not all the polandball comics are winners, but when they get it right, they really get it right. This is one of those cases.
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Originally Posted by
Hooahguy
In other news, the Israeli parliament will be voting on a new bill which would
formally declare Israel as a Jewish state.
See, this is just :daisy:. No modern Western state can call itself a true democratic state and at the same time declare itself for a religion. If this bill is passed, Israel will forfeit any claim it has that it is a democratic country.
At least it's a formal recognition that Israel is a racist apartheid state.
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Jews aren't a race, so they're not being racist. Israel is competing for being one of the nastiest, most intolerant regimes on the planet.
Oh, but of course they are only defending themselves and if only the Palestinians would just accept being second rate citizens / subhumans (depending on where they live) everything would be fine and dandy. For the Israelis - but no one else counts, do they?
4 Israelis get killed and outrage - inhuman murderers! c. 2,600 Palestinians killed since the start of the year? Well, that was fine as they were killed by the IDF and so legal (in Israel) so what's the problem?
~:smoking:
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Originally Posted by
Ironside
Ugh, not that one again.
Let's compare women's rights. It increased during Mao. It increased during Stalin. That about the same the time when the US choosed to delay their first person in space because it would've been a woman. Equal oppression if you like, since they were very much oppressors.
It decreased during Hitler. And Mossulini, and Franco. Nonequal oppressors.
Well of course things were different under Hitler's far left regime. Mao and Stalin were on the far right, after all. ~;p
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Originally Posted by
ajaxfetish
Well of course things were different under Hitler's far left regime. Mao and Stalin were on the far right, after all. ~;p
Obviously, it was called "State Capitalism" after all.
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Hitler promulgated "Strength through Joy", so he must have been a homosexual, right?
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Nobody gets hurt because I don't like the Islam, people get beheaded for it every day though. Is there any relativationnreally required if we just kill these idiots, why are there jets, needs Apaches
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Originally Posted by
rory_20_uk
Jews aren't a race, so they're not being racist. Israel is competing for being one of the nastiest, most intolerant regimes on the planet.
Oh, but of course they are only defending themselves and if only the Palestinians would just accept being second rate citizens / subhumans (depending on where they live) everything would be fine and dandy. For the Israelis - but no one else counts, do they?
4 Israelis get killed and outrage - inhuman murderers! c. 2,600 Palestinians killed since the start of the year? Well, that was fine as they were killed by the IDF and so legal (in Israel) so what's the problem?
~:smoking:
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Originally Posted by
Fragony
Nobody gets hurt because I don't like the Islam, people get beheaded for it every day though. Is there any relativationnreally required if we just kill these idiots, why are there jets, needs Apaches
They sure do their best to be one...
Talking about people who have done their damndest to keep their bloodline pure, Jews most def comes to mind.
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Originally Posted by
Kadagar_AV
They sure do their best to be one...
Talking about people who have done their damndest to keep their bloodline pure, Jews most def comes to mind.
Genealogy is important to them but its not race as you would think of it. As can be seen from the fact that people from white to brown to black are accepted in Israeli as Jews who inherit the 'promised land'.
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Originally Posted by
rory_20_uk
Jews aren't a race, so they're not being racist. Israel is competing for being one of the nastiest, most intolerant regimes on the planet.
Oh, but of course they are only defending themselves and if only the Palestinians would just accept being second rate citizens / subhumans (depending on where they live) everything would be fine and dandy. For the Israelis - but no one else counts, do they?
4 Israelis get killed and outrage - inhuman murderers! c. 2,600 Palestinians killed since the start of the year? Well, that was fine as they were killed by the IDF and so legal (in Israel) so what's the problem?
~:smoking:
Sorry for the newsflash, but race is a human intellectual construction. It doesn't have any scientific classification to back it up. There is more variation between individual humans than there is between specific "racial" groups. It's just culture and constructed identity. Heritage of our monkey past.
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Originally Posted by
Kadagar_AV
They sure do their best to be one...
Talking about people who have done their damndest to keep their bloodline pure, Jews most def comes to mind.
10% drift per generation is fairly normal, even for groups with a strong cultural restriction on intermarriage. Give that a millennia - and we are effectively all cousins.
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Originally Posted by
Idaho
10% drift per generation is fairly normal, even for groups with a strong cultural restriction on intermarriage. Give that a millennia - and we are effectively all cousins.
Try marrying a Druze or a Yezidi woman.