Doctor Willenloss and his splendid invention, or... [Concluded]

No - I got it as well. Don't post first, and all.

So you caught this?

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

You know, I love 24-year-old ladies. They are the perfect mix of youth and experience, I feel. It's so nice that they never come first; with younger girls, I always have the problem of satisfying them too soon. I just wish there were a way for Orgahs to connect with ~~S E X Y 24 - Y E A R - O L D W O M E N . C O M ~~.

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Now is the time for mass reveals. With midday comes the ruckus. If we can't network in the shadows, then we shall do it in the open air as free men should.

U-S-A! U-S-A!

I have the power to stop a murder, and I need to be vague on how for reasons I will explain after the night ends. You'll get either my death or an explanation, unless you absolutely insist on knowing how today.

Fair?

Vote: Brickfaced

I hope those bricks are laced with thermally-insulated mercury. :wiseguy:

...this is a terrible idea.

You are all targets now.

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Originally Posted by Chaotix

...this is a terrible idea.

You are all targets now.

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Boo-hoo. How many rounds do we have left? How much longer will secrecy even matter? The Doctor called for a mass reveal. He said he wanted protection. Now the scum have other targets.

Man up. I can't, seeing as I have a vagina. So I need you to.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Boo-hoo. How many rounds do we have left? How much longer will secrecy even matter? The Doctor called for a mass reveal. He said he wanted protection. Now the scum have other targets.

Man up. I can't, seeing as I have a vagina. So I need you to.

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Yeah, how is protection going to work if there are now multiple valid targets for the mafia to hit?

The doctor's reveal was fine, a good idea, but I can't say the same about your reveal (especially that you have some sort of ability) and anyone else who decides to join you.

Didn't I just go through this nonsense?

Fine. I'll go through it again.

http://www.giraffeboards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=32

Townie called for a mass reveal after the game is essentially over and nothing but townies had died. Nobody backed him up except me. We insisted on the reveal, and said we would vote for ourselves and therefore hold the game hostage unless there was a mass reveal.

The folks who insisted it was a horrible idea for the town WERE THE MAFIA. The townies complied.

We lynched 5 of the scumbags in a row and won.

Claim now, Chaotix.

I see half the living players claim, then I'll do it myself.

Not before. The mafia can pick and choose who they want to kill and any protection is rendered useless.

If all reveal, we all become targets - as before.

If all reveal, we can wink the scum out through cross-checks, double checks, enhanced social monitoring, redundancy, and event logging.


Muster your courage and arise, townies. Only the lynched scum have seen the end of networking.

And yes, all 5 lynches were lynch or lose for the town. Especially fun was hearing them scream "there's no case on me!" before they died.

The people scared to claim were scum. Simple simple. Do you know how many rounds remain? If two mafia, we're not sunk yet, but doubtful this is the case in a game with power roles.

Three mafia? What about 3 mafia and a sk? Other variations, like in Capo where the communists had a cell that didn't know each other at the start? We don't know the setup and we're getting a beatdown- at this point I am assuming we are at lynch or lose, or next round is lynch or lose (with a standard 3 mafiosi setup) assuming worst case no scums dead.

That's why not claiming actually hurts town and helps the mafia. We need a correct lynch today, not tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by Chaotix

I see half the living players claim, then I'll do it myself.

Not before. The mafia can pick and choose who they want to kill and any protection is rendered useless.

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unvote, vote: Chaotix

No, you claim next. You want to see other claims so you don't claim something that can be counter-claimed.

Monty, back me.

It only works if everyone does it. If I join you two and the rest of the town sits on its thumbs, which incidentally is rather likely since we have a bunch of lurkers, then me revealing is a detriment to the town.

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Originally Posted by Chaotix

It only works if everyone does it. If I join you two and the rest of the town sits on its thumbs, which incidentally is rather likely since we have a bunch of lurkers, then me revealing is a detriment to the town.

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:wiseguy: The order of the reveals was pretty telling in that game, too. He who reveals last, reveals least.

This one just bumped up to numero uno.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

:wiseguy: The order of the reveals was pretty telling in that game, too. He who reveals last, reveals least.

This one just bumped up to numero uno.

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You're making good points, and I see why you are suspicious of me.

Which is why it is sad that you are so wrong.

To be fair, it is probably my fault. I should have said nothing and waited to see what would happen.

What I am interested in is how you plan to protect the professor.

I am interested in it.

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2. Montmorency
3. Arjos
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5. Chaotix
6. Brickfaced
7. Ishmael
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9. DaveShack
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11. Askthepizzaguy
12. Diana Abnoba
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14. Robbiecon
15. Ironside

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All are active enough.

I will not be casting a vote for a few hours. The reason shall become transparent.

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Originally Posted by Chaotix

What I am interested in is how you plan to protect the professor.

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You've probably picked up on the subtext. I didn't necessarily claim doctor, now did I.

Nevertheless, what I can do provides protection to the Doctor. Why are you trying to find out what that is? It makes me feel like you're trying to circumvent.

Yeah, I think I've got it.

There's no way you can be a doctor. Because you are a woman, and this is the 1950's.

Anyway I am muddling around a decision. No PM rule is killing me here, because I would reveal to Monty in a heartbeat.

Maybe I'm a woman from say, 2012 who is a doctor and the other doctor used a time machine and fell in love with me and brought me back to the 1950s.

Yes, a stretch. But let me put it this way: your line of inquiry caused more damage to the town than simply claiming your role in the first place. Now we can assume that I am not a doctor and that you are some other kind of powerful town role.

Had you simply bluffed, we might have been able to keep us all alive. Come on Chaotix, it's not Chess, it's Poker.

Nah.
If you can read this
Unless your way of protecting the doctor is dying in his place, then things are better this way.
without highlighting it
And since you said you would explain tomorrow, I'm assuming that's not the case.
then it wouldn't work
Besides, the mafia are going to think I'm lynchbait and leave me alive.
and I made a good call
I was really contemplating telling you to read between the lines and then filling it with a white-text roleclaim, but I realized not everybody uses the Morbid skin.

I'm hammering you because it's more difficult to craft an endgame strategy and a claim under immediate circumstances not knowing what the other claims will be.

Your continual delays on claiming cause me to believe your eventual claim less and less.

You've got nothing to lose now, C.

You've essentially admitted to being an essential role, because you refuse to claim and are trying to craft ways of claiming that are indirect.

So the mafia know you're a target if you survive. What precisely are you benefiting the town by not full-claiming at this point?

I'm almost at the point where I want to let it go, but the damage is done. I want to know the role now. Might help me redirect my vote.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

You've got nothing to lose now, C.

You've essentially admitted to being an essential role, because you refuse to claim and are trying to craft ways of claiming that are indirect.

So the mafia know you're a target if you survive. What precisely are you benefiting the town by not full-claiming at this point?

I'm almost at the point where I want to let it go, but the damage is done. I want to know the role now. Might help me redirect my vote.

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Nope. There it is. That's what I needed.

You believe I am town, but you are still voting for me unless I reveal.

I think you are a double-bluffing scum right now. There is too much SRSbznss in your posts and not enough ATPG.

You claim you can protect the doctor, which is wrong.

You are a lying, traitorous, two-timing communist and no one will believe me but there it is.

Vote: ATPG

I am sorry. Got a hunch and won't let go of it. I hate that I always do this. I am probably wrong, but you are scum.

Wow, you're right I had been slightly leaning town on you and was about to unvote, but there's nothing at this point that you have left to hide. You just cannot come up with a good lie.

You are scum. That was the breaking point. You couldn't come up with a claim and now you're caught and sunk.

Hammer them in real time, folks. That's how you get them. :bounce:

Lies are difficult to make up on the spot. You have to be confident they'll work even after other people claim. Chaotix just chickened out.

Cluck cluck.

Please, I can come up with plenty of good lies if I need to. You have seen me in action. In fact I have practically revealed just through the posts I have made. Read between the lines.

This is not ATPG in scum-hunting mode, this is ATPG in scum-picking mode.

Granted, I am like the ripest scum apple on the scum tree here, but you're still picking and not hunting.

This is why you are mafia.

If you're spectating and still alive, you need to get involved. The same holds true for you: If you don't claim willingly, after the core of the town just told you to claim, then you're scum.

Chaotix, the only reason you "find me scummy" is I asked you to claim after Monty asked everyone to claim. You also know how to scum-hunt and this isn't that.

No, I just have this really stupid idiot gut feeling and you are actually not denying what I just said which means you are scum.

Incidentally, what will you do when I flip town?

After you kill Monty, I mean.

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Originally Posted by Chaotix

No, I just have this really stupid idiot gut feeling and you are actually not denying what I just said which means you are scum.

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I honestly don't follow. Do you mean I'm not denying being scum or something? I already claimed townie with a kill-stopping power.

Start making sense and CLAIM YOUR ROLE!

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I honestly don't follow. Do you mean I'm not denying being scum or something? I already claimed townie with a kill-stopping power.

Start making sense and CLAIM YOUR ROLE!

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1. You didn't deny that you're not scum-hunting.

2. If you are so set on me being mafia, why do you still care what my role is? Answer: because you know I am town because you are mafia and you want to know what sort of deadly secrets I have that might make me a better kill than Monty tonight, assuming the lynch-wagon does not consume me.

I'm still here. It is possible that one silent person is being prevented from posting. If this is the case, I'm not responsible but I know how it was done. Others know this too, assuming the roles are consistent -- I'd have to read back through the reveals to find out how many.