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There has been too much foul language here of late.
I have to say, I'm very disappointed that certain distinguished members have sunk of outright profanity over the last few weeks, now new members are picking up the habit.
It's lazy and it lowers both the tone and the content of our debates - I think it should stop, or the mods should put a stop to it. We don't need to swear here to have grown up discussion, quite the opposite.
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Re: There has been too much foul language here of late.
I'm European, we have different attitudes toward language.
Also thank you for calling me distinguished. As more people get the senior member tag I need more ways to stick out from the crowd
Your protests have been noted and filed
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I've heard this argument before, and I don't get it. I don't consider any language to be ugly. It's not what is said, it is what is meant. If swearing is used with malicious intent, then there is reason to be offended (although this is subject to debate). In the end, language is just expression. Some people enjoy using certain words. I, for one, do.
What is offensive to one may not be offensive to others. People should just deal with it.
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I've noticed this as well, I find it unpleasant. I don't have any airs or graces but I only swear once in a blue moon, and when I do I feel bad.
I've heard people try to defend swearing and its value, but I disagree. Below is Stephen Fry's take (warning, lots of swearing):
I think the sole purpose of swearing is to let off steam. Beyond that I don't think it will help express anything effectively. The crude and harsh-sounding nature of the words make them inappropriate for intellectual or even normal discussion, while they are too widely used to have the shock value comedians often try to use them for.
Honestly, if I have to see another awful BBC comedy where the comedy value is supposed to come from posh English people swearing, I don't even...
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I'm just an angry kid, but that is no excuse. I promise to reserve all swearing for Vuk threads.
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Re: There has been too much foul language here of late.
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Originally Posted by
spankythehippo
I've heard this argument before, and I don't get it. I don't consider any language to be ugly. It's not what is said, it is what is meant. If swearing is used with malicious intent, then there is reason to be offended (although this is subject to debate). In the end, language is just expression. Some people enjoy using certain words. I, for one, do.
What is offensive to one may not be offensive to others. People should just deal with it.
I'm willing to bet I can outswear anyone here, including MRD when he's completely drunk.
The point is - swearing is intellectually lazy - in a debate you swear for emotive effect or to convey a sense of a point of view, an exclamation, or as a way of dismissing your opponent.
None of that actually contributes to the debate - and some of it is actually against Backroom Etiquette.
It has nothing to do withbeing offended by the words.
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There aren't any women here, right? So who cares.
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rvg
There aren't any women here, right? So who cares.
Already pulling out the ole sausage fest card are we? Might as well make a thread about how we all deal with morning wood.
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Re: There has been too much foul language here of late.
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Originally Posted by
Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
I'm willing to bet I can outswear anyone here, including MRD when he's completely drunk.
The point is - swearing is intellectually lazy - in a debate you swear for emotive effect or to convey a sense of a point of view, an exclamation, or as a way of dismissing your opponent.
None of that actually contributes to the debate - and some of it is actually against Backroom Etiquette.
It has nothing to do withbeing offended by the words.
If a person chooses to be intellectually lazy with their words, why should it matter to others? Just filter out the gist of the argument and move on. No need to dwell on individual words.
Swearing, as Rhyfhylwyr says, is a means of letting of steam. Or to further a point, often with the backing of opinion. You won't see a scientific article saying, "Natural killer cells are similar in many respects to motherfuckin' cytotoxic T cells." It just doesn't work.
Use swear words. Just don't abuse them. Then they become bland and cliche.
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Re: There has been too much foul language here of late.
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Originally Posted by
spankythehippo
If a person chooses to be intellectually lazy with their words, why should it matter to others? Just filter out the gist of the argument and move on. No need to dwell on individual words.
Swearing, as Rhyfhylwyr says, is a means of letting of steam. Or to further a point, often with the backing of opinion. You won't see a scientific article saying, "Natural killer cells are similar in many respects to motherfuckin' cytotoxic T cells." It just doesn't work.
Use swear words. Just don't abuse them. Then they become bland and cliche.
They have no value in a debate forum online. Need to let off steam? Go kick a door, then post.
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Re: There has been too much foul language here of late.
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Originally Posted by
spankythehippo
If a person chooses to be intellectually lazy with their words, why should it matter to others? Just filter out the gist of the argument and move on. No need to dwell on individual words.
Swearing, as Rhyfhylwyr says, is a means of letting of steam. Or to further a point, often with the backing of opinion. You won't see a scientific article saying, "Natural killer cells are similar in many respects to motherfuckin' cytotoxic T cells." It just doesn't work.
Use swear words. Just don't abuse them. Then they become bland and cliche.
This thread is not about me as I have not been posting. Also, I do not swear.
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Re: There has been too much foul language here of late.
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Originally Posted by
Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
They have no value in a debate forum online. Need to let off steam? Go kick a door, then post.
I'm not saying that swear words are necessary. But as Stephen Fry said, it's not necessary but it's fun.
I grew up in Australia. I also went to a boys high school. It wasn't until I went to university, that I had to tone down my language. I also never knew that the "C" word (I hate calling it that) is considered the most offensive word of them all, until a lot later in life.
When posting online, I don't swear as much as I do in normal conversation. I am not a fussy person. And I don't riled up about my differences in opinion with others, unlike some people. I quite enjoy when people get riled up, and I'm the only sane person in the room (which is saying something because I'm never the sane one). Nevertheless, people should remember that swear words are just that. They are words. Nothing more, nothing less. If someone gets offended by what someone said, they need to get their priorities straight in life.
If everyone on the internet kicked a door for every swear words they said, this world will be door-less.
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There is more swearing? I seriously didn't notice. :sweatdrop:
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Husar
There is more swearing? I seriously didn't notice. :sweatdrop:
Too busy hiding in your T-35 in Karelia I expect.
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Re: There has been too much foul language here of late.
Swear words in a discussion are ugly. They can have a point in some kinds of discussion, but for the kinds of discussion in the Backroom, they have no point at all.
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"Theres no such thing as bad language...i dont believe that anymore....its ridiculous, they call it debasing of the language..... no!, we are adults..... these are the words that we use to express frustration, rage, anger, in order that we dont pick up a tire iron and beat the sh!% out of someone."
- Lewis Black
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Re: There has been too much foul language here of late.
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Originally Posted by
Pannonian
Swear words in a discussion are ugly. They can have a point in some kinds of discussion, but for the kinds of discussion in the Backroom, they have no point at all.
There's a balance here. A swearword can underline a hardness of a comment, and that's sometimes important.
On the other hand, swearwords draw a lot of the readers attention, which can make the points being made unclear and forgotten.
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What makes a swearword a swearword in the first place?
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I'll keep it in mind, I am always having a hard time not sharing my rather particular sense of humour that might be seen as offensive. It isn't meant that way but it could be.
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Re: There has been too much foul language here of late.
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Originally Posted by
Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
- swearing is intellectually lazy -
I think that says it all. We have a complex language and a (reportedly) complex brain, it ought to be possible to merge these two wonders and express ourselves clearly and creatively.
That said, I can go for days existing in a space where every second word is pure filth...it's just one of those things :)
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Originally Posted by
HoreTore
There's a balance here. A swearword can underline a hardness of a comment, and that's sometimes important.
On the other hand, swearwords draw a lot of the readers attention, which can make the points being made unclear and forgotten.
It has its place even in written text (I occationally use weaker ones here), but in general using 2 or more in one post is a nono and I don't know, more than once every 1/20 posts is too often.
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Husar
What makes a swearword a swearword in the first place?
It's handled by a specific part of the brain. Strong emotional content. I'm not sure if sexual and religious swear words are universal, but wouldn't be surprised. Negative body functions probably is.
Most of the odd ones has a religious backround, that comes from don't say the devil out lound.
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Re: There has been too much foul language here of late.
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Originally Posted by
Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
I have to say, I'm very disappointed that certain distinguished members have sunk of outright profanity over the last few weeks, now new members are picking up the habit.
It's lazy and it lowers both the tone and the content of our debates - I think it should stop, or the mods should put a stop to it. We don't need to swear here to have grown up discussion, quite the opposite.
Really? We've got a guy spending pages on pages copy pasting content to try to win arguments that are techically impossible and you are complaining about something that is fairly rare and allways edited out by the mods? We cant even say hell without a warning because it's too close to some norse word with worse implications.
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Swearing to underline a point is perfectly valid. Swearing is also considered fine in informal discussion amongst friends, and what we have here could hardly be termed formal discussion.
If you hate swearing, you hate friendship.
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Re: There has been too much foul language here of late.
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Greyblades
Really? We've got a guy spending pages on pages copy pasting content to try to win arguments that are techically impossible and you are complaining about something that is fairly rare and allways edited out by the mods? We cant even say hell without a warning because it's too close to some norse word with worse implications.
"Hell" means "luck" in norse-speak....
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Re: There has been too much foul language here of late.
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HoreTore
"Hell" means "luck" in norse-speak....
It does? Maybe it was Turkish, all I know is that a mod got his knickers in a twist over it when I was still a newbie 2-3 years ago.
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Re: There has been too much foul language here of late.
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Husar
What makes a swearword a swearword in the first place?
Profanity or Blasphemy - it's really quite an interesting topic.
Of the issues I have is that people have been swearing without understanding how to swear, which is just childish.
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Originally Posted by
Greyblades
Really? We've got a guy spending pages on pages copy pasting content to try to win arguments that are techically impossible and you are complaining about something that is fairly rare and allways edited out by the mods? We cant even say hell without a warning because it's too close to some norse word with worse implications.
It hasn't been edited out recently, hence this topic, or it hasn't been edited out anywhewre near quick enough. If Strike used a mid level swear word six-12 hours ago it should be gone by the time I read his post.
TR is someone I can ignore, because he requires neither my time nor respect, and he's boring, so I don't care that he's here mouthing off.
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CountArach
Swearing to underline a point is perfectly valid. Swearing is also considered fine in informal discussion amongst friends, and what we have here could hardly be termed formal discussion.
If you hate swearing, you hate friendship.
You have got to be joking.
I only swear when I'm angry - there's no reason for me to swear infront of friends, or in debate. If I am in a debate and I'm angry enough to want to swear I try not to post.
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When a Filipina mixes her Ps with her Fs
And tells me to "Puck off for what I said on Pacebook about her Pamily"
Does that count as swearing.
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There is no v in Arabic. It's a bile language.
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I, for one, would like to see more archaic profanity.
To wit, you are all a bunch of consarned ninnyhammers. Strewth!
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This thread cannot possibly be complete without Carlin.