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    Default Fixed-Date for AI Marians

    Please take note: This is not intended as a criticism of the EB team or the terrific mod that they have produced. It truly sets the bar for excellence in the modding community—and sets it high. However, I would like to propose that a fixed date be introduced for the Marian and Imperial Reforms, at least when the AI has control of the faction. I think the human player should be forced to work hard for the reforms, but the computer has little chance of fulfilling the prerequisites. And it’s frankly strange, when one plays to the late Second Century and early First Century B.C., to still go up against Polybian Triarii and Principes in Rome’s ranks. It would be a lot more fun to actually have to fight the Marian legions in all their glory. I would suggest that a fixed-date reform be incorporated into 1.1 for this sole purpose. The date, I would leave up to the team. My knowledge of the time period is not sufficient for me to make a judgement. Once again, let me state that this is just a suggestion, and I will stand by the decision of the EB team. Good luck, guys!
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    Default Re: Fixed-Date for AI Marians

    I thought the AI already had a fixed-date for them.
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    I think instead of the "automatic at 90 settlements" trigger, it should have a date trigger. Automatic at 90BC or something, same as the Polybian reform has a late trigger if you don't meet the conditions.
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    The Marian Reforms totally changed the Roman Army with the whole land ownership thingi if I remember things correctly. Its different from the Polybian. I do support giving the AI a set date marian reform or even an imperial one just for fun and giggles.
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    Default Re: Fixed-Date for AI Marians

    Quote Originally Posted by antisocialmunky
    The Marian Reforms totally changed the Roman Army with the whole land ownership thingi if I remember things correctly. Its different from the Polybian. I do support giving the AI a set date marian reform or even an imperial one just for fun and giggles.
    My point isn't to do with the significance at all.

    Just that at 90 settlements it's pointless anyway, you've already won. Even 45 is a lot of settlements, and it comes with a string of conditions as well. At the historical extent of Rome's overseas holdings in 110BC, you don't have 45 provinces. Especially not if you hold only Carthage itself, and not the whole northern/northwestern coast of Africa which was a series of independent kingdoms rather than Roman holdings.

    90BC is a long way into the game for an automatic trigger, and a long way from the 176BC opening window for the reform as well.
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    Perhaps the number of settlements held could be looked at but I don't think a fixed date would ever make it into a mod because it doesn't make any sense. The Reform was a response to logistical and demographic changes, if those don't happen you aren't going to need the reform.
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