Swords,swords,swords....and,you guessed it! more swords!!

[Cyricist]

May I note that SOME swords WERE actually used AGAINST heavier armors.. The claymore for instance was developed just for that purpose, as was the 'German Longsword' or sword-and-a-half (bastard sword). These weapons were used up into the Rennaissance Period, when Heavy Armor reached it's (Gothic) highest point. The introduction of crossbows and firearms slightly diminished the need for these weapons, but they were still quite popular even in late medieval times.
The plate armor (especially breastplates and full Gothic plate) were worn well into the 17th century and became 'ceremonial wear' in certain countries like Germany and Britain, where certain special guard units (lancers on horseback mostly) still wear them today.
Even Napoleon's armies still had active lancers in them with breastplates: the Cuirrassiers a cheval.

[Hakonarson]

Napoleonic Cuirassiers did not carrly lances, and yes, 2-handed swords were used but I think the discussion here is about single handed swords mainly - the 2-handers are essentially another attempt to produce better armour piercing performance than single handed swords.

there were single-handed swords optimised for armour piercing in the later period - I for get teh name of them - I think they weer German or Polish, but they never seemed to catch on all that much anywhere else - possibly because as swords they were not much use against lesser armoured opponents - they were rather heavy with chisel blade type points but no edge.

[muffinman14]

well the last battle i fought my pikemen got killed agianst some rebel highlanders.

[pressure]

"Perhaps swords should get a +1 to attack against spears. Not more as that would make spears too weak. That should make up for a lot of weaknesses of the swords"

Isn,t this allowed for already by the higher melee value of sword units, which presumably applies when/if the spear wall is broken?

[Satyr]

I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS THREAD ISN'T CLOSED.

This has been beat to death so many times, why continue this useless blather?

[Kraxis]

No pressure, the swordunits have better melee stats overall, but they are weaker in numbers. The Spears getting broken up does not incur any penalty to them.

But the patch will do something to balance this. We will just have to see if it is enough, or if it too much. Time will tell.

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[AgentBif]

Quote Originally posted by Mary, Queen of Scots:
I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS THREAD ISN'T CLOSED.
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Why are you reading it if you don't want to read it?

There are lots of interesting details about blade vs armor dynamics coming out here. If you're not interested, read something else. Please don't go calling for someone else's discussion to be shut down.

bif


[This message has been edited by AgentBif (edited 10-23-2002).]

[AgentBif]

Quote Originally posted by Hakonarson:
there were single-handed swords optimised for armour piercing in the later period - I for get teh name of them - I think they weer German or Polish, but they never seemed to catch on all that much anywhere else - possibly because as swords they were not much use against lesser armoured opponents - they were rather heavy with chisel blade type points but no edge.[/QUOTE]

Yes, a very curious experiement, it's no wonder they aren't that well known. Why in the world would they make up such a weapon? If they wanted their men-at-arms to have better capabilities against plate, why not just issue an axe with a back-spike?

bif

[Michael the Great]

Hey,but why does the rank bonus apply when spearmen r broken...this ain't right...

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Io,Mihai-Voda,din mila lui Dumnezeu,domn al Tarii Romanesti,Tarii Ardealului si a toata tara Moldovei.

[Kraxis]

Quote Originally posted by Michael the Great:
Hey,but why does the rank bonus apply when spearmen r broken...this ain't right...

[/QUOTE]

Well it applies even if there is only one file of soldiers four ranks deep... You can create this if you mod a little.

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BTW, Danish Crusades are true to history.

You may not care about war, but war cares about you!

[Michael the Great]

Ya know...I think the greatest improvement they can(oh God and I hope they will..)do is to simulate the mechanics of long spears polearms,so that they can engage BEFORE the swordsmen,for example,can engage,that way they'll have to close in on the spearmen/pikemen and take extra losses before they do.
What do u think,can this be programmed in the add-on or in the next TW?
I've never seen a game using the system,altough this is how it is in real life.
Right?

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Io,Mihai-Voda,din mila lui Dumnezeu,domn al Tarii Romanesti,Tarii Ardealului si a toata tara Moldovei.

[Michael the Great]

Yeah,well at least huge two-handed swords certainlt were armor-pierceing.
Btw,what's your opinion on the best sword unit in teh game?
P.S.Byz Inf migh look like roman legions,but they're not.Roman Legions had a much smaller sword.

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Io,Mihai-Voda,din mila lui Dumnezeu,domn al Tarii Romanesti,Tarii Ardealului si a toata tara Moldovei.

[Michael the Great]

But it seems that the numbers of swordsmen(in a unit) is a great disadvantage 2 them..