OOC Thread and Chatroom 2

[flyd]

So Mark did not slip and fall down a wet flight of stairs?

No stairs were harmed in the making of this death.

FD, why did you sally...was it nearly time?

Not at all, the city was besieged only last turn, had 9 turns left. Why? That will be explained thoroughly and with 100% accuracy in the upcoming report. You just sit and wait.

[AussieGiant]

You want to hire a boat, beat the Crusaders to Cairo, and make your way into the Caliph's inner circle as a baptised Orthodox while there's a genocide going on, be my guest.

But dude, there seems to be some inconsistencies. The Patriarch was there, then he wasn't, WAS it a baptism, was it something else, who knows?

Maybe I'm some deep, deep, deep undercover agent working against the dastardly Orthodox satanic figure who lurks in the background...

[TinCow]

WTF!

My point was, Kalameteros won't meet the 'time in rank' requirement until 1117. As TC explained to me about Mak, it's 5 turns from the turn you first got the current rank.

Incorrect, because Kalameteros' timer started in 1108, not 1110 like the other two. Of the three people on timers in Asteri, 2 met the requirements in 1117 (one now dead and the other no longer Asteri) and 1 met the requirements in 1116 (Kalameteros).

[Privateerkev]

Incorrect, because Kalameteros' timer started in 1108, not 1110 like the other two. Of the three people on timers in Asteri, 2 met the requirements in 1117 (one now dead and the other no longer Asteri) and 1 met the requirements in 1116 (Kalameteros).

Please note that the "WTF" was because of the board eating my post, not anything you said.

I thought Kalameteros became a Patriokos because of Ampelas swearing to him in the beginning of 1110. If so, then the timer would run out in 1117. If it wasn't Ampelas that pushed Kalameteros to Patriokos in 1110, then what did it in 1108? As far as I could see, Asteri only had 4 land-owning nobles in the chain in 1108. Kalmeteros(Athens), Anastatios(Belgrade), Hypatios(Rhodes), What-ever-Rossah's-character's-name-is(Smyrna). In 1110, Ampelas moved into the chain bringing ThessawhateverthenameisofAmpelas'sprovince and Scopia. He then gave Scopia to Kosmas.

*confused*

Sorry if this all seems like a nitpick but if we're going to make these time-in-ranks means something, we need to be clear and consistent.

*edit*

Unless we're not counting 1110 as starting until the Senate session starts. That makes more sense. In that case, the big Asteri feudal chain change did happen in 1108. But that leaves me confused as to why the 3 Asteri people would have 2 different time-in-rank fulfillment dates. Since the same feudal chain switch bumped all 3 characters up the ladder at the same time. So, basically all 3 would have met their requirements in 1116. But Mark died and Hypatios was thrown out. So, that leaves Kalameteros.

Thank you for your patience during this giant brain dump. :D

*no longer as confused*

[flyd]

The battle of Caesarea "report" has been posted.

[BananaBob]

Just a reminder: yes I am still alive.

My internet is taking a heck of a lot longer then i had originally thought, but I am pretty sure I will be connected mid week.

Sorry about my tardiness

[TinCow]

Sorry if this all seems like a nitpick but if we're going to make these time-in-ranks means something, we need to be clear and consistent.

I cant remember exactly what it was that caused the 1108 rank jump, but it definitely happened. In 1110, Ampelas joined Asteri, which resulted in a bit of a reorganization. Whatever it was before then allowed Kalameteros to be a Patrikios, but didnt have anyone at Antypatos. The 2 people at Antypatos rank happened during the reorganization that resulted from Ampelas joining. At least that's how I remember it and that's what my Library entries said before I recently edited them, so that's what I'm sticking with.

[deguerra]

I honestly have absolutely no idea.

I hope to be assigning Iconium and Thessalonici (which reverts to me, correct?) soon though, so that should hopefully make things easier.

edit: though currently, is it correct to say I have no vassals until rossah reswears loyalty to me? Or does that get transferred on death?

[TinCow]

I honestly have absolutely no idea.

I hope to be assigning Iconium and Thessalonici (which reverts to me, correct?) soon though, so that should hopefully make things easier.

edit: though currently, is it correct to say I have no vassals until rossah reswears loyalty to me? Or does that get transferred on death?

Yes, Thessalonica is now yours. Ampelas did not have a will that I am aware of, so it goes to his Lord, which is you. I have I already marked this in the Library.

Your second question is addressed in this post.

[deguerra]

Ahem. Damn OOC threads going to the next page without me noticing. By bad. Thanks TC

[Privateerkev]

I cant remember exactly what it was that caused the 1108 rank jump, but it definitely happened. In 1110, Ampelas joined Asteri, which resulted in a bit of a reorganization. Whatever it was before then allowed Kalameteros to be a Patrikios, but didnt have anyone at Antypatos. The 2 people at Antypatos rank happened during the reorganization that resulted from Ampelas joining. At least that's how I remember it and that's what my Library entries said before I recently edited them, so that's what I'm sticking with.

Well regardless, I think you are right, though for a different reason than you state.

Ampelas joined Asteri in 1108 because the Senate session hadn't started yet. It was a weird space of time between when Ampelas posted his last report and when the session opened.

From now on, it might be good to make this clear. The year that a Senate session starts in, doesn't start until the session itself starts.

That is what was confusing me. I thought the dead space in between the last Megas report, and the new Senate session, was actually 1110.

Unless you want to claim that years begin when the last Megas report ends.

I think it would work fine either way as long as we were consistent.

Why this is important is because feudal chain changes seem to happen right before a Senate session. And the time-in-rank thing is important to keep track of since it has to do with an avatar's political power.

[Kagemusha]

Great song for a battle report flyd.

[flyd]

Thanks Kag, it's nice to see that someone appreciates my fine work.

[Andres]

I liked it as well

[deguerra]

Yes, me too flyd.

YLAC, I am not sure I agree with Veronica just walking out of the Senate. She was my guest, sure, but now one I am willing to just let go.

[_Tristan_]

Nice song, FD !

Sorry about your loss though I can't say Methodios is chagrined...

[AussieGiant]

Nice stuff FD.

Just a general comment to everyone.

It would be best if people didn't take the distances from the Magnaura too seriously. The issue came up before in KotR and it far more preferable to actually attend the Magnaura personally rather than send representatives.

Please note this is not aimed at anyone, but simply a general comment. Given the large time scales involved it is not inconceivable that people can get around and attend in person. It's probably a little bit of a stretch but not too much.

Unless of course you actually want to send someone as a replacement.

The feeling of interaction is greatly increased when our characters are actually "face to face" in the game.

I'm far more likely to deal with someone if they are there rather than talk through a proxy.

[_Tristan_]

It would be best if people didn't take the distances from the Magnaura too seriously. The issue came up before in KotR and it far more preferable to actually attend the Magnaura personally rather than send representatives.

Given the large time scales involved it is not inconceivable that people can get around and attend in person. It's probably a little bit of a stretch but not too much.

Except when you're away in the middle of the ocean and almost ship-wrecked...

I'm thinking of having Methodios renamed as Odysseus...

[_Tristan_]

in the Megas thread
Refused the adoption.

I almost wish you hadn't...

It would have given us another outburst by Makedonios...

You spoiled our fun, Kag...

[ULC]

Yes, me too flyd.

YLAC, I am not sure I agree with Veronica just walking out of the Senate. She was my guest, sure, but now one I am willing to just let go.

I thought I sent you a pm regarding this matter, didn't you get it? ?

I also liked the battle report as well, but I am not one for poetry much.

[TinCow]

Let me restate the general Throne Room rule: If you are using a character created by someone else in one of your stories, you absolutely MUST get permission from that person before you post it. It does not matter whether the character is the other person's actual avatar or just a random NPC that they have created. DO NOT USE SOMEONE ELSE'S CHARACTERS WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION. This is a very serious rule and I will not hesitate to remove people from the game if they violate it.

[Kagemusha]

I almost wish you hadn't...

It would have given us another outburst by Makedonios...

You spoiled our fun, Kag...

That would have been too mean even from Kantakouzinos.

[ULC]

Let me restate the general Throne Room rule: If you are using a character created by someone else in one of your stories, you absolutely MUST get permission from that person before you post it. It does not matter whether the character is the other person's actual avatar or just a random NPC that they have created. DO NOT USE SOMEONE ELSE'S CHARACTERS WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION. This is a very serious rule and I will not hesitate to remove people from the game if they violate it.

But it is my character, and I did create her

[TinCow]

But it is my character, and I did create her

Then you have nothing to worry about and my post doesn't apply to you.

[Smowz]

My deepest apologies for my long absence,

I have been absent on my holidays and I feel somewhat guilty that I have missed such a large portion of events. It took me a couple of days to digest all the recent events and am happy to return to hopefully play my part in this epic once again.

As for my holidays, I had a tremendous time touring around the countries of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Romania. I would recommend the cities of Tallinn and Vilnuis to anybody (that is not to say i did not enjoy the other places i went but those two stood out). The trails in the Carpathians in Romania were superb as well.

Anyway enough of that Nevoulas has some catching up to do.

[_Tristan_]

Welcome back, Smowz !!

Seems like Asteri needs you...

[Privateerkev]

Nice stuff FD.

Just a general comment to everyone.

It would be best if people didn't take the distances from the Magnaura too seriously. The issue came up before in KotR and it far more preferable to actually attend the Magnaura personally rather than send representatives.

Please note this is not aimed at anyone, but simply a general comment. Given the large time scales involved it is not inconceivable that people can get around and attend in person. It's probably a little bit of a stretch but not too much.

Unless of course you actually want to send someone as a replacement.

The feeling of interaction is greatly increased when our characters are actually "face to face" in the game.

I'm far more likely to deal with someone if they are there rather than talk through a proxy.

I totally agree. I'm noticing there is a "scribe's convention" in the Senate lately. Having your proxy argue with the other guy's proxy gets old.

Having a scribe give basic information to the Senate is one thing, but having him arguing is another. Like AG, I think the game is richer if we have our characters debate in person.

I almost wish you hadn't...

It would have given us another outburst by Makedonios...

You spoiled our fun, Kag...

Stop... trying... to... goad... me... OOC...

And Mak wouldn't care about that anyways. He could care less if Ioannis adopted random people. His beef with him IC is that he didn't checkmark a simple form.

[_Tristan_]

Stop... trying... to... goad... me... OOC...

I wasn't goading you, PK... I just love when you get nasty... Is all...

Grandmaster of the Order of St John the Golden-Mouthed or is it the Foul-Mouthed ?

[Privateerkev]

I wasn't goading you, PK... I just love when you get nasty... Is all...

Grandmaster of the Order of St John the Golden-Mouthed or is it the Foul-Mouthed ?

Wait till I get nasty at your character...

And he was golden-mouthed until he got to the Senate. Now, being in that "wretched hive of scum and villiany" has left him cranky.

[Andres]

I totally agree. I'm noticing there is a "scribe's convention" in the Senate lately. Having your proxy argue with the other guy's proxy gets old.

Having a scribe give basic information to the Senate is one thing, but having him arguing is another. Like AG, I think the game is richer if we have our characters debate in person.

Yes but having my character constantly walking in and out of the building, 'tired from a long journey to Constantinople' sounds a bit odd as well.

Poor Savvas will get grumpy if you don't allow him to have his secret decadent bacchanalias in peace and out of sight of his fellow noblemen.