Serious question about a hated subject - Lorica Segmentata

[Cbvani]

With EB II having variable skins for units, will LS be a possible skin for Marian and Imperial Roman legions, even if it isn't common?

[Foot]

No. We have answered this question several times already. Do a search.

Foot

[General Appo]

I think it even says so in the FAQ.

But seriously Foot, are you sure it isn´t possible to set up a huge flashing banner saying "No LS in EB!" that shows everytime you enter the forum?

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

There are only 4 (or was it 5?) body models per unit. For EB's time frame 1/4 (or 1/5 even) of a unit having LS would still be too much.

[Cyrus]

I keep seeing posts over posts about this but no one ever (and I mean ever) said what lorica segmentata is. Would anyone mind answering?

[satalexton]

hollywood armour that only historically appeared for roughly a century, sometime around 2AD IIRC

[Ibn-Khaldun]

This is Lorica Segmentata:

[Cyrus]

more or less what sentury was that? i've only seen that armour in movies you're right!!!

[Cbvani]

In my defense, it wasn't in the FAQ. I checked there. The only reason I raised it is because in-game reforms can happen earlier than they actually did, so EB doesn't precisely follow history. Therefore, LS might appear on the battlefield for Imperial legions, because it was invented earlier in-game.

[Foot]

In my defense, it wasn't in the FAQ. I checked there.

Really? Mayhap you are mistaken:

Q: Will there be Lorica Segmentata in EB2?
A: Lorica Segmentata was not widely used within the games time frame. Even though it could be argued that it was used to a minimal extent at the very end of the time frame the team has decided not to include any Lorica Segmentata in the official EB2 releases.

Foot

[General Appo]

Trampled.

[Gleemonex]

In my defense, it wasn't in the FAQ. I checked there. The only reason I raised it is because in-game reforms can happen earlier than they actually did, so EB doesn't precisely follow history. Therefore, LS might appear on the battlefield for Imperial legions, because it was invented earlier in-game.

The 'problem' we have with the lorica segmentata isn't only that it's mostly ahistorical in our timeframe -- it's that it can often be the source of endless pleadings and complaints by Hollywood-Rome fanboys. Your inquiry was honest and polite, but it's also the hojillionth time a variation on this question has been asked.

-Glee

[ludwag]

Can you have Imperial Gallic helmet in EB2?

[General Appo]

Don´t know what that is, but if comes from the Imperial period, as it´s name suggest, than that would pretty much be outside EB´s timeframe wouldn´t it?

[Ludens]

more or less what sentury was that? i've only seen that armour in movies you're right!!!

First and second century AD. The oldest known example of LS was found at Kalkriese and is presumed to be a relic from the battle of Teutoburger forest, which would place it at 9 AD. That's just inside EB's time-frame. However, we have no idea how common it was. A single suit suggests that it was pretty rare. It wouldn't become common until around 50 AD, and even at the height of it's popularity, many if not most legionaries would use chainmail rather than LS.

[ludwag]

Don´t know what that is, but if comes from the Imperial period, as it´s name suggest, than that would pretty much be outside EB´s timeframe wouldn´t it?

http://www.redrampant.com/roma/helmets.html

yes. but what i ment was the coolus-pattern helmets, they look a bit of the same. I think the Montefortino helmet is so ugly. Especialy with a tassel on it :(

[General Appo]

From that link: "Coolus C Late Augustan to Tiberian period."

Sounds like it´s mostly outside EB´s timeframe. You personally thinking a helmet us ugly is really no basis of not including it.

[Majd il-Romani]

From that link: "Coolus C Late Augustan to Tiberian period."

Sounds like it´s mostly outside EB´s timeframe. You personally thinking a helmet us ugly is really no basis of not including it.

Although I agree that the imperial Gallic helms look WAY better than montefortino, I still think it should be in but not for that reason. In EB both Antesignani and Praetorians wear them! So aeeing that EB2 has variable skins some soldiers can have nomteforino and others can have imperial gallic, etc.

[Aemilius Paulus]

LS could technically appear as an armour upgrade in EB II (no unit slots taken up), but that's too much work already, especially for something that was generally outside of the EB II/I time period. No matter how "cool" it is, I would not want it in EB.

[General Appo]

LS could technically appear as an armour upgrade in EB II....

Yet again, we aren´t quite sure the LS actually was that much of an upgrade.

And just for the record, I think LH is way cooler than LS.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

And just for the record, I think LH is way cooler than LS.

I disagree.. If LH would've been cooler then Hollywood would have used it instead of LS

[Zarax]

Holliwood uses it because it's cheaper to make, not really cooler...

[Gleemonex]

I disagree.. If LH would've been cooler then Hollywood would have used it instead of LS

I think Hollywood use(d) it mainly because it was distinctive, not necessarily because it was cool.

-Glee

[Foot]

I think Hollywood uses it because they use re-enactors who use Lorica Segmentata more than the other types. Why LS is more common in re-enactment groups I don't know, but it probably stems from attempts to recreate it as its construction is largely unknown. Experimentation lead to large numbers being made as it became more and more popular, and Hollywood used it in its films. Hollywood is a leach, not an innovator.

Foot

[Gleemonex]

Hrm. In that case, I would posit that Hollywood started using LS according to the Gleemonex model (it's not like there is/was a lack of chain mail in Tinsel Town), but continued due to the Foot-Zarax postulate. We need 10 ccs of film buff, stat!

-Glee

[Iraklis]

You know... last time i "tryed" to watch a movie with historical subject i saw a "roman legion" wearing leather lorica segmentata and using testudo against infantry in open field battle
I never made "that" mistake again...

[lobf]

Hollywood is a leach, not an innovator.

Foot

Because they're ignorant of the popularity of an obscure form of armor? I would imagine people here use that armor because it's easy to make look cool and it's widely associated with Romans. Hollywood still does some fantastic stuff.

[Ibrahim]

http://www.redrampant.com/roma/helmets.html

yes. but what i ment was the coolus-pattern helmets, they look a bit of the same. I think the Montefortino helmet is so ugly. Especialy with a tassel on it :(

the gallic types are mostly late 1st cenutry AD onwards. the early EB period would mostly be Montifortinos. check this place out:

http://www.larp.com/legioxx/helmets.html

[abou]

Actually, there is a fair amount of evidence through monuments that helmets other than Montifortinos would be used.

[Ibrahim]

Actually, there is a fair amount of evidence through monuments that helmets other than Montifortinos would be used.

hence the use of "mostly"