Empire Map

[Polemists]

So now that we know where we start and what we own.

I was wondering anyone has managed to collage a map since those old days when we did it based on old pictures and world maps.

I know there are lots of side screenshots out there, but I would really like to see a full map. This may be impossible and the game is only a week away. But as lots of magazines are releasing photos if anyone is gifted in graphics I'd like to see a full ETW map :) (Fog of war is fine just like to see the provninces and how they layout.)

[Relic]

I too would love this!

[miniwally]

You got any of these as i was looking on google and it's just the same 6 appearing over again (4 Europe,1 North America nd 1 south America I think) for at least first 36 pages. Left side of england and ireland, Right side of england and scotland, Right side of spain, Greece.

[Schiltrom]

if anyone is gifted in graphics I'd like to see a full ETW map

It's more a question of who has the pictures at their disposal to do this than who has the ability. It's not like someone will just have every gaming magazine around.

[miniwally]

sorry to go off topic but i like your pirate ship :D

[Sir Beane]

This http://uk.pc.ign.com/dor/objects/958390/empire-total-war/images/empire-total-war-20090224035300088.html?page=mediaFull screenshot probably has the latest most-up to date picture of the mini-map we have seen so far.

http://uk.media.pc.ign.com/media/958/958390/imgs_1.html - thats the rest of them.

Here's a close up of the mini-map.





A larger version.

[Fisherking]

But the other two were included on that one screen shot!

Did they lack detail?

[Sir Beane]

But the other two were included on that one screen shot!

Did they lack detail?

Other two what?

What I want to know is, if recent info is correct and Switzerland is not a faction, why is there a province in exactly the right place for the Swiss Confederation. A province that clearly doesn't belong to the surrounding powers?

[Fisherking]

Other two what?

What I want to know is, if recent info is correct and Switzerland is not a faction, why is there a province in exactly the right place for the Swiss Confederation. A province that clearly doesn't belong to the surrounding powers?

To the right of the factions.




http://uk.pc.ign.com/dor/objects/958...page=mediaFull

[Sir Beane]

To the right of the factions.




http://uk.pc.ign.com/dor/objects/958...page=mediaFull

Oh, the other two mini maps. I didn't bother posting them because they haven't changed at all from the versions we had previously. You'll be pleased to note that it looks like there are around 6 Native American factions though.

[Hollerbach]

Haven't been keeping up with the trickle of info, but some of the territory sizes look odd, like only a single territory for france but several for north africa. Most of India seems to be one big territory that is surrounded by a few tiny ones, instead of being a few medium sized territories. I guess the new system of buildings on the map etc must make territories a different kind of entity than in previous games?

[Sir Beane]

Haven't been keeping up with the trickle of info, but some of the territory sizes look odd, like only a single territory for france but several for north africa. Most of India seems to be one big territory that is surrounded by a few tiny ones, instead of being a few medium sized territories. I guess the new system of buildings on the map etc must make territories a different kind of entity than in previous games?

They are. Territores are done on a country basis in Empire. Spain is one, France is one, England is one etc. Provinces have mulitple cities, but still fall if you take the capital. More cities appear as your population increases. Each city id the hme of a specific chain of upgrades. For example Portsmouth in England would be a naval city.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I have some questions:

http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/958390...page=mediaFull

Agent called ... a Scholar????
And female rulers??

http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/958390...page=mediaFull

Sir Baene - from this picture you can see that there is no Switzerland. There is just mountainous region with dense forest.

http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/958390...page=mediaFull

So we have priests in this game too.

This makes me wonder why did CA told us that there are fewer agents?
We have gentlemen, rakes, scholars and priests. Not that much fewer if I may say!

Sry for going off-topic like that.

[Marten]

Other two what?

What I want to know is, if recent info is correct and Switzerland is not a faction, why is there a province in exactly the right place for the Swiss Confederation. A province that clearly doesn't belong to the surrounding powers?

This province, dear Sir Beane, is the country (or better state) i am currently living. The Capital is Stuttgart, known also as Capital of the best sports cars ever made (have to say this - they are paying my E:TW copy). And below that beautiful town you will find the famous Black Forest.

But, south of the Rhine is indeed the place where Switzerland belongs - now it is a black hole on the map. Seems to me, you won't be able to cross the forest.

See:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[Sir Beane]

I have some questions:

http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/958390...page=mediaFull

Agent called ... a Scholar????
And female rulers??

http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/958390...page=mediaFull

Sir Baene - from this picture you can see that there is no Switzerland. There is just mountainous region with dense forest.

http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/958390...page=mediaFull

So we have priests in this game too.

This makes me wonder why did CA told us that there are fewer agents?
We have gentlemen, rakes, scholars and priests. Not that much fewer if I may say!

Sry for going off-topic like that.

Scholars are just another name for Gentelmen, probably a faction variation.

Yes you can have female rulers this time around.

While there may be no Switzerland there is clearly a province not owned by another faction which is exactly the size and shape of Switzerland. You can see it on the mini-map.

Preists are known as missionaries and seem to be a recent addition.

And there are fewer agents. ETW has three.: Gentelaman, Rake, Missionary. M2TW had 6: Spy, Assassin, Diplomat, Merchant, Preist, Princess. It also had heretics, witches and Inquisitors which I doubt ETW will have.

[Jack Lusted]

Scholars are Indian gentlemen. And as agents now spawn instead of being recruited(some buildings increase the spawn rate/max amount of agents) you have less of them around.

[Haxorsist]

It looks like the Scholar is just the Maratha version of the Gentleman, because according to CA there didn't exist any gentlemen in India.

Edit: nevermind. =)

[Hollerbach]

Hmm, the 'scholar' looks very much like the scientist 'great person' from CivIV. Actually a lot of ETW is reminiscant of CivIV (the diplomacy sound very CivIV like for instance, and the tech tree sounds very Civ), and the battle interface looks to have picked up the best parts of Sid Meiers 'Civil War' games (button for advance and withdraw, left wheel right wheel etc). Not that this is a bad thing, these are all great improvements!

Thanks for the info Beane, will be interesting to see how this plays out. btw looking at the first pic in the previous post it looks like in fact India is made of many small territories? Maybe the lines of the mini map don't mean what they did in the past?

Edit: Okay, so a bazillion posts came in while I was typing, I was referring to post #13 when I said 'in the last post'. However, if gentlemen spawn at a rate influence by buildings and upgrades then they sound even more like the 'great people' from CivIV. As I say though, I don't consider this heinous plagarism, games should adapt and evolve picking the best bits out of other successful games.

[Sir Beane]

Scholars are Indian gentlemen. And as agents now spawn instead of being recruited(some buildings increase the spawn rate/max amount of agents) you have less of them around.

Thanks Jack . Can you comment on why there is what appears to be an empty province instead of the Swiss Confederation?

[Sir Beane]

Hmm, the 'scholar' looks very much like the scientist 'great person' from CivIV. Actually a lot of ETW is reminiscant of CivIV (the diplomacy sound very CivIV like for instance, and the tech tree sounds very Civ), and the battle interface looks to have picked up the best parts of Sid Meiers 'Civil War' games (button for advance and withdraw, left wheel right wheel etc). Not that this is a bad thing, these are all great improvements!

Thanks for the info Beane, will be interesting to see how this plays out. btw looking at the first pic in the previous post it looks like in fact India is made of many small territories? Maybe the lines of the mini map don't mean what they did in the past?

India is made up of many small territories, I guess they decided to divide it up more than certain areas of Europe. I think the lines still mean the same thing.

[Jack Lusted]

Thanks Jack . Can you comment on why there is what appears to be an empty province instead of the Swiss Confederation?

We've tried to avoid having too many provinces in the game, and this has resulted in Switzerland not being a province.

[Sir Beane]

We've tried to avoid having too many provinces in the game, and this has resulted in Switzerland not being a province.

Thanks Jack .

[Marten]

Just to please the PO (i don't know how to minimize the pic in the post):

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Taken from totalwar-zone, thanks to 6b12ga!

[Polemists]

So it's there...it's just not a province.....am I the only one who is lost?

[Hollerbach]

Yeah, seems odd considering how many provinces there are on say the easy coast of the (now) USA. Surely adding in an entire country by making that little blob a province would not have been too bad, even if it wasn't made a major faction or anything?

[Sir Beane]

Just to please the PO (i don't know how to minimize the pic in the post):

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Taken from totalwar-zone, thanks to 6b12ga!

Wow! Those are incredible (and also huge). Thanks Marten!

@ Polemists

It looks like its an inaccesible area of map, or a province with no capital city. There is clearly an empty area of map in the shape of Switzerland.

Perhaps Switzerland didn't want to be included in a war game? They do love their neutrality.

[Polemists]

Yes no war games, they are only willing to take your money and give away your personal information...but not war...that would be wrong :P

I don't know...it just seems odd....i mean it's like a whole chunk of the map of now nothing...wierd

[Marten]

Imho, CA missed a great chance for a real hardcore trade scenario: Make switzerland a "trade only" province.
Without possibility to unlock or conquer them - just for further processing the chocolate from overseas.

And to loan some money ... in delicate affairs.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Lol.. now we know what is the first nation that modders add to the game! ~:D

[Fisherking]

Well so much for neutrality…


The 18th century was a period of relative peace and prosperity, until its last decade when French revolutionary troops invaded and destroyed the old political system.
During the 18th century, great advances were made in scientific agriculture. New industries got off the ground, including clockmaking and textiles.
Learned and patriotic societies sprang up all over the country. Swiss intellectuals discussed new scientific and philosophical ideas with their counterparts abroad. At the same time, they promoted Swiss national awareness, going beyond narrow cantonal boundaries.
The new industrial and intellectual elite challenged the entrenched ruling circles.
The century ended in Europe-wide turmoil after the French revolution and France's subsequent wars against European monarchies.
French troops invaded Switzerland in 1798, broke the power of the ruling élites there and temporarily destroyed the cantonal system by creating the centralised Helvetic Republic.
For the first and only time in their history the Swiss were forced to abandon their neutrality and provide troops for France.



During the French Revolutionary Wars, the revolutionary armies boiled eastward, enveloping Switzerland in their battles against Austria. In 1798 Switzerland was completely overrun by the French and became the Helvetic Republic. The Helvetic Republic encountered severe economic and political problems. In 1798 the country became a battlefield of the Revolutionary Wars, culminating in the Battles of Zürich in 1799.
In 1803 Napoleon's Act of Mediation reestablished a Swiss Confederation that partially restored the sovereignty of the cantons, and the former tributary and allied territories of Aargau, Thurgau, Graubünden, St. Gallen, Vaud and Ticino became cantons with equal rights.
The Congress of Vienna of 1815 fully re-established Swiss independence and the European powers agreed to permanently recognise Swiss neutrality. At this time, the territory of Switzerland was increased for the last time, by the new cantons of Valais, Neuchâtel and Geneva.



You know what else!

I don’t know where they got their history or Placement of American Indian factions from, but if I were giving them a grade on it…I would flat fail them!

It would seem they have taken out a few provinces for what ever reason. But they just took the lands of two large tribes and a few smaller ones and gave it to a medium sized one because of name recognition no doubt.

I have to say I am hugely disappointed.