Emergent Faction List

[A Very Super Market]

France had a few of the 13 colonies?

[Megas Methuselah]

I heard about that happening. Odd. USA emerged when I destroyed GB, but not France.

[knoddy]

i dont think it matter that much which 1, if u destroy any of the powers in europe it seems like certain factions emerge in america and the US would be the most prominent one.

[rossahh]

It's because France holds some of the 13 colonies's territory. In my game the 13s had traded away Boston and New York to the French. When I defeated the French in Europe the United States appeared in the former French regions, while the 13 colonies were still alive and kicking as a faction in the remaining regions.

[Megas Methuselah]

Lol, thats odd.

The Arawak (sp?) Rebels appear in Dutch Guyana. Requires a revolt in Dutch Guyana or for a foreign, occupying power to be destroyed in its home theatre.

Kand (sp?) Rebels appear in that island on the southern tip of India that is held by the United Provinces.

Punjab (requires a revolt in Punjab)
Afghanistan (requires a revolt in Afghanistan)
Mamelukes (requires a revolt in Egypt)
Brandenburgher Rebels (requires a revolt in Brandenburgh. Possibly becomes the Prussian faction once a settlement is taken)

Wow, this list won't stop. Will report if I see more. Note that all these factions either require a revolt or for a foreign, occupying power to be destroyed in its home theatre.

[Ardri]

So if you are playing as the French is there any chance that the United States will emerge without the destruction of GB? Seems like the US should emerge by default in 1776 and not be tied to European factions.

[knoddy]

i dont know my camp hasnt made it that far im still at 1740 ish, unless ur playing ultra defensive id say that at least 1 european major would have to be dead by then :P

[Megas Methuselah]

Dunno. I destroyed GB in my Hanover campaign. I'm just goin around tryin to get factions to emerge.

[Sir Beane]

Empire seems to have well more than fifty factions. It's a shame that none of them are playable, or ever likely to even be seen on the campaign map.

[lenin96]

But imagine if they weren't there. This could be a sign of unlimited factions!(referring to the hardcodes).

[Megas Methuselah]

Don't forget all the starting factions can emerge after being destroyed, too.

[Subotan]

Will we ever be able to play as these emerging factions?

[Megas Methuselah]

Once we can properly mod the game, I assume we would be able to give the emergent factions a province to start with so we could play with them from the beggining.

[Subotan]

...But wouldn't that be inaccurate?

[Megas Methuselah]

... It's inaccurate for the US to emerge in the 1720's. But it happens.

[Subotan]

Yes, but that arises due to conditions that are different from realirty. If we have, say Hungary, independent in 1700, then that's historically inaccurate.

[Megas Methuselah]

I am inclined to disagree. If you want to talk about accuracy, let's go to the EB2 Forum. Vanilla Total War games aren't where it's at.

As for Hungary being independant, make it start as a protectorate of Austria. Saxony starts as a protectorate of Poland-Lithuania, and playing as Saxony, the only way I found to free myself was through war.

Wanna play some multiplayer battles right now??

[Subotan]

I don't have E:TW running yet...
Besides, if you were to have every single faction on the map playable from the start, it would be unsustainable!

[Megas Methuselah]

Not every single mod. There could be seperate mods for every individual emergent faction's starting position.

EDIT: gonna go play mp.

[Cecil XIX]

Will we ever be able to play as these emerging factions?

For R:TW BI, there was a mod for emergent factions where the game would start playing with the AI controlling all the factions. Once the emergent faction you chose appeared, you started controlling it.

Of course, since there's no guarentee in Empire that any given faction will emerge there's a bit of a risk. Still, I like that approach best.

[Megas Methuselah]

That's nice. But you're correct in that not all factions inevitably emerge. The appearance of most emergent factions in my game were the direct result of my deliberate actions to see them emerge.

[KozaK13]

I think all emergent factions arise from revolts, even teh ones listed as created by a faction being destroyed.

Eg. Afghanistan emerged on its own in one of my games and no faction had to vansih, but it also emerged when i took all of perisa save afghanistan, the revolt destroyed persia as a faction.

Plus maratha rebels appear when a maratha province rebels, not when a foreign power lises in its how.

And did CA not say awhile ago that USA emerges when any faction in the US region of North America suffers a revolt? Except in indian controlled areas ofcourse.

[Upxl]

Even stranger,...

I destroyed France and the US aint showing.
It's almost 1750 and still no US. is this a bug?

[A Very Super Market]

If France doesn't have any of the 13 colonies territories, it doesn't work. You need to kill whatever faction has 13 colonies territory.

[xiv14]

I don't think any factions need to be wiped out for new factions to emerge. It seems like any rebellion can trigger them. I've had the US emerge in 1742, in NY, in a rebellion against the Iroquois. Great Britain, France, and (for that matter) every single "major" nation was still alive and well.

[Marquis of Roland]

The U.S. will emerge as a faction if any of the original thirteen colonies regions revolt (there may be more regions where this can happen, but not sure). It does not matter which faction is holding that territory. For example, in my game Iroqouis took boston from thirteen colonies; boston revolted because of low public order, and United States spawned as rebels (it was only year 1711 or so).

When a major faction is destroyed, its colonial territories will become independent, and this is also another way U.S. can spawn.

[KozaK13]

Some factions like guatemala (Maya rebels in game i think) arn't proper factions, just rebels.

[Megas Methuselah]

Yeah, that sucks. You can't even engage in diplomacy with the poor buggers.

[knoddy]

Some factions like guatemala (Maya rebels in game i think) arn't proper factions, just rebels.

u sure? im pretty certain they emerged as a minor faction in my mates game when he killed Spain. ill check and get back to ya :)

[rossahh]

Mexico and Coloumbia emerge as minor factions, but Guatemala does not.