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    Does anyone know where this might be from? Is there a Carthaginian preview I am unaware of? The little symbol next to the dude on the far right looks like something from EB...

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    This is RS isn't it?
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    I'd guess Rome total realism, they've got those glossy faction icons
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    Yep its RTR


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    Roma surrectum and RTR have really beautiful units - sometimes I asked myself if they were MTW2 mods.

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    Will EB have awesome Facial Hairs like that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zradha Pahlavan View Post
    Does anyone know where this might be from? Is there a Carthaginian preview I am unaware of? The little symbol next to the dude on the far right looks like something from EB...

    RTR Iberian conflict. refer to twcenter.net for more information
    From the markets of Lilibeo to the Sacred Band in the halls of Astarte, from those halls to the Senate of Safot Softin BiKarthadast as Lilibeo representative

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    Quote Originally Posted by antisocialmunky View Post
    Will EB have awesome Facial Hairs like that?
    Actually, because many of us have trouble growing facial hair, we don't want our units to have the glorious beards we lack. We're jealous enough of the guys as it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paullus View Post
    Actually, because many of us have trouble growing facial hair, we don't want our units to have the glorious beards we lack. We're jealous enough of the guys as it is.
    well, if you have low self esteem, just do this. you will feel a bit better. (first 13 senconds)

    speaking of sacred band: why are the shields the way they just plain white?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibrahim View Post
    well, if you have low self esteem, just do this. you will feel a bit better. (first 13 senconds)

    speaking of sacred band: why are the shields the way they just plain white?
    I guees they look more badass like that...
    It has probably to do sth with white being the colour of death for the Carthaginians, so they would wan't to intimidate the enemy in such way...



    A bit of the topic... Wil the Sacred Band remain in EBII? Since i think there are no historical records of them being used
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    Yep this sacred band appears in RTR: the Iberian conflict.

    Alhtough there "ready" stance has changed alot - on this pick they use the Vanilla phalanx formation while in game they use overhand spear with shield wall ability. There the best infantry unit in the whole mod.

    I also have heard that white was the Carthaginian colour of death and was ment to intimidate the enemy - I wonder if it really worked...
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    Quote Originally Posted by anubis88 View Post
    A bit of the topic... Wil the Sacred Band remain in EBII? Since i think there are no historical records of them being used
    The SB description in EB1 mentions them being destroyed in the battles for Sicily before EB's time-frame. However, later records mention an elite-unit that took the Sacred-Band's traditional position in the battleline. The name and identity of this unit are not known, so EB went with the older Sacred Band.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HunGeneral View Post
    I also have heard that white was the Carthaginian colour of death and was ment to intimidate the enemy - I wonder if it really worked...
    Given the color white and an elephant, I would be more terrified of the elephant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paullus View Post
    Actually, because many of us have trouble growing facial hair, we don't want our units to have the glorious beards we lack. We're jealous enough of the guys as it is.
    I have trouble keeping it in check. I gues you should give the Germanics some fine looking beards.

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    IMHO all the "barbarians" should have nice manly beards, to frighten the "civilized" hellenes and other little boys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucefalo View Post
    IMHO all the "barbarians" should have nice manly beards, to frighten the "civilized" hellenes and other little boys
    I think we should also let the nomads grow nice mustacheses to make them look more terrfying
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucefalo View Post
    IMHO all the "barbarians" should have nice manly beards, to frighten the "civilized" hellenes and other little boys
    amen to that.

    now we sould see if any barbarian can mach this guy's beard:


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    Quote Originally Posted by paullus View Post
    Actually, because many of us have trouble growing facial hair, we don't want our units to have the glorious beards we lack. We're jealous enough of the guys as it is.
    I've got a full beard. Actually I look pretty germanic I guess considering I've got long hair too.

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    Anyone



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludens View Post
    The SB description in EB1 mentions them being destroyed in the battles for Sicily before EB's time-frame. However, later records mention an elite-unit that took the Sacred-Band's traditional position in the battleline. The name and identity of this unit are not known, so EB went with the older Sacred Band.
    Correct. What the Sacred Band really was was the elite right wing of the hoplite phalanx. The Greeks merely referred to it as 'sort of sacred band'. Similarly, the more elite and better equipped of the Carthaginian nobles in the cavalry were viewed as a sacred band.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Moros View Post
    I've got a full beard. Actually I look pretty germanic I guess considering I've got long hair too.
    Well you were Belgian right? Then there's a good chance you do have Germanic ancestors and Belgian (Celtic/Germanic), you should send a photo of you to the EB team for reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanit View Post
    Correct. What the Sacred Band really was was the elite right wing of the hoplite phalanx. The Greeks merely referred to it as 'sort of sacred band'. Similarly, the more elite and better equipped of the Carthaginian nobles in the cavalry were viewed as a sacred band.
    That makes sense, so they should probably form part of my battle line next time i play with carthage. I never really used them, since i thought they were never used. I didn't even think the name was given to them by the greeks
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    Does anyone else think this guy looks like he's holding a chainsaw?
    I never knew the 'barbarians' were so advanced.
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    Leatherhead wasn't that advanced

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zradha Pahlavan View Post
    Does anyone else think this guy looks like he's holding a chainsaw?
    I never knew the 'barbarians' were so advanced.


    that's a sword. I think you already know that though

    and he's an Arab-specifically abd al-malik ibn marwan, who was an umayyad Caliph in the late 7th century. this particular coin was before he began to issue a style of dinar independant of the roman pattern, which presented the faces of people on it. He decided we need a new unique style, to flip the finger at the Byzantines, who at the time partially controlled the mint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zradha Pahlavan View Post
    Does anyone else think this guy looks like he's holding a chainsaw?
    I never knew the 'barbarians' were so advanced.
    Yes, Ancient Space Marines - if we could only be that lucky....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zradha Pahlavan View Post
    Does anyone else think this guy looks like he's holding a chainsaw?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanit View Post
    Correct. What the Sacred Band really was was the elite right wing of the hoplite phalanx. The Greeks merely referred to it as 'sort of sacred band'. Similarly, the more elite and better equipped of the Carthaginian nobles in the cavalry were viewed as a sacred band.
    Do you mean that there isn't solid evidence that these were sacred units? I am surprised. I thought we knew a bit more about them.
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    just fyi, this unit is also in RTR-FoE which we will be releasing in a few days...
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