Optimas/Popularis Quick Question

**Drewski** · 03-02-2010, 04:38

OK, I understand the logic behind both traits, all I need to know is:

Is it possible to lose either of these traits, or are both for life, once attained?

....main reason I ask, being that I've been "working" on a couple of S/C/V youngish generals, to get them some stars (both now have 3 each), but one just aquired Optimas. The other has neither trait yet.

Btw, I know about the Ceres temple line giving a higher chance of Popularis..

Thanks.

**Arthur, king of the Britons** · 03-03-2010, 02:22

They are for life as far as I know ( I've never lost any of those traits).

**AntonineWall** · 03-03-2010, 10:22

You should know by now that a trait is for life and not just for Christmas.

My family members seem to cling on to their "useless throbber" trait.

**Arthur, king of the Britons** · 03-03-2010, 12:28

Originally Posted by AntonineWall

You should know by now that a trait is for life and not just for Christmas.

My family members seem to cling on to their "useless throbber" trait.

Not all traits are for life though.

**Mulceber** · 03-04-2010, 15:09

Originally Posted by Arthur, king of the Britons

Not all traits are for life though.

For example, the season traits which affect how far units can move. -M

**anubis88** · 03-04-2010, 15:54

Originally Posted by Mulceber

For example, the season traits which affect how far units can move. -M

Or the battle traits, psicological trait etc... Is their really a need to name them? the point was made

**Arthur, king of the Britons** · 03-04-2010, 16:45

BTW can someone confirm that the Optimates and Popularis traits are permanent? Because it was a while since I played as SPQR and I didn't play as them for long.

**Mulceber** · 03-04-2010, 18:42

Pretty sure they are - which actually is a shame, since there were several people like Pompey, Crassus and Catiline who vacillated between the two. -M

**Arthur, king of the Britons** · 03-04-2010, 18:48

Originally Posted by Mulceber

Pretty sure they are - which actually is a shame, since there were several people like Pompey, Crassus and Catiline who vacillated between the two. -M

Ok. I agree it's a damn shame.

**anubis88** · 03-04-2010, 19:37

A side question. What are the condicions for someone to get this two traits? I have all other conditions for the Marian reforms, but i'm waiting for my populares consul. I have about 5 guys that are S/C/V and Consuls-ex consuls, but they are all Optimates... Makes me hate them...

**Drewski** · 03-05-2010, 09:03

Originally Posted by anubis88

A side question. What are the condicions for someone to get this two traits? I have all other conditions for the Marian reforms, but i'm waiting for my populares consul. I have about 5 guys that are S/C/V and Consuls-ex consuls, but they are all Optimates... Makes me hate them...

I just got the reforms in 165BC. I had god knows how many theoretical candidates, all of which were Patricians. I worked them well, got their command stars up, had them build The Ceres Temple line and govern said cities, BUT......they all became Optimas, excpet two who became neither, and are still neither (one went to his grave as neither, but I suspect sometimes traits just aren't shown in a FM's card, if he has too many. I noticed this for the first time, while intently studying every message)..

No-one lost either of Optimas or Popularis once gained in my game, but the ONLY ones to get Popularis were Plebians, how ever hard I tried...I had Consuls falling like rain at one point. 10 in around 8 years! Doesn't help though, when they're all Optimas...

Anyways, I eventually got a 17 yr old S/C/V plebian guy, who was also unselfish/optimistic and loyal. Milked a few choice ancilliaries off others for him, sent him off to fight in Gaul. He came back with 4 command stars, celebrated a triumphus, got popularis. Carefully watched and manouvered him every turn after that ( a lot of turns), he kept getting better and better right up to 10 Man/10 Inf 4 star, and on his 42nd birthday (at minimum age for the post), he was made consul......:) 2 turns later the reforms kicked in....

Tomorrow, the two super powers, Rome and Ptol, will start a war for the known world. They hold virtually all of Africa, plus almost all of the old Selucid territories, plus South Anataloya. I own most of Europe to the Bosphorus, minus the Sweboz and Getai lands.

It should be epic.

But Now I'm going to bed for quite a while ;)