We have traveled to the coldest places in the Tibetan Range. Assaulted nomadic caravans. Rushed through Argyraspidai formations. Stole Nabatu gold. Desecrated Buddhist temples. Collapsed nomadic altars. And ran towards Parthian Cataphracts.
Yet. We have found it. We have found the only thing that we need in this world! We have found the fountain of life my friends!
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However we decided to use it all on this mod. Now there's no more life-water for you. Sorry.
We present to you...
Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Timeframe:
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247 BCE - 100 BCE
Factions:
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*Arche Seleukeia
Seleukeia
(Seleucid Empire)
*Ptolemaioi
Ptolemaioi
(Ptolemaic dynasty)
*Basileion tou Pontou
Pontos
(Kingdom of Pontos)
*Basileion tis Baktria
Baktria
(Kingdom of Baktria)
*Hayastan
Hayastan
(Armenia)
*Basileion tis Atropatene
Atropatene
(Kingdom of Atropatene)
You can visit and register on our development forum; where you are welcomed to have a good time and chat with either us, or many other fans of this mod. However the development area will be kept secret to many so that we may surprise you; nonetheless you can still post any ideas or suggestions for the mod in the respective section.
The original team spent 3 or 4 years on it, and they have the moral right to AtB franchise. Dead or not, it is their child.
But the idea to wake the project is great!
Second AtB Leader:
Originally Posted by svramj
Yeah, Myself and many others left it unattended. I just completed whatever the Indian factions needed. All those can be found in the Dev forum of ATB, you need anything more I can surely help you with information. I'm busy with final year college project so cant mod anymore :(
You may retain the name.. And you may also retain the Indian faction units with credits. Appreciating your work.(...) And you may take admin of the forum too. I myself will visit and go through your work and provide support and Info for Indian regions.
Telling me that the "true" AtB is the other one is offensive. We are not trying to bury it and putting our own. We're trying to revive it and give it some renewals.
Modders do it for free, despite having to invest lots of times and effort.
Whether they are "true" or not doesn't matter. I think they should be respected for their work.
I'll keep waiting for this
Originally Posted by Beskar
Beefy, you are a silly moo moo at times, aren't you?
One problem I see emerging with this if it is finished is that there is a gigantic hole in Tibet and Indochina. This would be a similar problem to the whole empty eastern europe problem in EB.
One problem I see emerging with this if it is finished is that there is a gigantic hole in Tibet and Indochina. This would be a similar problem to the whole empty eastern europe problem in EB.
The wusun migrated trough there... They should be close to that position. Besides, either the xiongnu, yuezhi or wusun could go through there. It's not that empty with 3 nomadic factions trying to get the hell away from the xiongnu
There should at least be a Tibetan culture, though. Really, they were a highly unique and very influential culture. It is necessary for historical accuracy for these reasons to include a Tibetan culture.
There should at least be a Tibetan culture, though. Really, they were a highly unique and very influential culture. It is necessary for historical accuracy for these reasons to include a Tibetan culture.
Tibetan culture... Ok... But what about the tribes themselves? we cannot give them whole control of all the tribes since they were not united. Eremos could be the solution, but we will have tibetan units and towns for that matter.
now, asia without china is not asia! I demand Asia!
with Chinese
HINT : Look at Tanit's post in ol AtB thread
Culture slot full; AtB Malaysia, Tibet and North China = EB eastern europe, faction slot full, possible landmass crash ratio, Asia meant from Anatolia to India (the known world), they didn't know what china was, uninfluential on the west, religion slot full, China and the subswquent regions that would come with it asks too many units, unnecesary regions would be put in place, etc.
Really, I'd rather have a EB: Han and not the Han in EB: AtB. Their diversity and military cannot be compiled into a few units and a lot of regions.
I hope I did not offend anyone, we want to have the whole world in the map if we could.
~Jirisys (Sadly... The real world is non-compatible with the landmass ratio of RTW )
they didn't know what china was, uninfluential on the west,
Uhuh. Yep, it's not like they invented paper or anything. Uninfluential on the west, and you want to lead this project? Good luck.
EDIT: I mean "didn't know what china was". Roman and Chinese ambassadors actually met in Parthia in 146 BC between 123 and 88 BC:
“The long reign of Mithadates II (123-87 B.C.) is significant [also] as in that during it Parthia first came into contact with both China and Rome.” - The Legacy of Persia, “Persia and the Ancient World” p.25
Uhuh. Yep, it's not like they invented paper or anything. Uninfluential on the west, and you want to lead this project? Good luck.
Don't insult me. Yes, they were somewhat influential on the east... But how are you going to put it in an RTW mod and make that influence important at all? Besides some text description and everything, that's your case for Han China? Also, they didn't have a war with any western kingdom (except those who migrated there... i.e. the wusun?) and the records of westerners actually having known them is very late.
Originally Posted by The Mad Arab
EDIT: I mean "didn't know what china was". Roman and Chinese ambassadors actually met in Parthia in 146 BC between 123 and 88 BC
And what's our start date sweetie? 247 BCE Right? Besides it's parthia only... Meaning at this point (almost in the end of the time period) we would have actually 2 factions that knew about china! Oh my jolly! Really, even if you eliminate those two points, I have many more to not include Han china in it.
I have a vague historical account for both east of sogdiane, the arabian peninsula and the axum and below. Also my country's educational system doesn't really care for those cultures at all, so there's my bias.
EDIT:
Originally Posted by LazyO
So yea, Id like to hear how many culture slots the Indian Factions use :D :D :D :D :D
One. Sadly the roman culture must be kept as they will be emergent.
Armenian and Atrapatene have their own culture as well, no more arabian stereotype sounding spies... That was awful.
Meaning at this point (almost in the end of the time period) we would have actually 2 factions that knew about china! Oh my jolly!
You can't honestly be saying this, can ya? There was extensive contact between the Parthian and Chinese (Han China, make no mistake), including several trade agreements. In 101 BC the Han dynasty conquered Ferghana, in essence borderingthe Indo-Greek kingdom. The fact that even the Romans knew about China says something, don't you agree? I don't think that the presence of Chinese traders in Marakanda (Samarkand) would be a strange sight.
Don't insult me. Yes, they were somewhat influential on the east... But how are you going to put it in an RTW mod and make that influence important at all? Besides some text description and everything, that's your case for Han China?
Right, you know, I used to be the researcher on the Persianite factions for AtB, you do know that? I'm not interested in seeing Han China in any mod, but you're just not making sense here. There just isn't enough room, but don't go going on about how they had little influence/nobody knew them. Thank you.
I kinda person non grata in this thread, but want to share some ideas. Adding Han Empire would be wonderful. Satavahana might be replaced with strong scripted rebels for this sake.
Come on, it would be fun to bring China troops under Piramids and face there Roman Army.
Cultures Magnificent 7: Hellenistic, Arab, Nomad, Indian, Roman, China, Eastern. 7 slots would be enough if Armeni and Antropatena would share Eastern Culture as Parthia does. As a last resort, if you would despair need slot for some Ethiopian culture, you can merge Roman and Hellenistic, as AI Roman interface doesn't make much sence.
Also my country's educational system doesn't really care for those cultures at all, so there's my bias.
it is not a reason not to include faction.
possible map outline. Almost no Europe, no mainland Greece. That is why Roman invasion time shifted to later period. Asia till Pacific Ocean.
You can't honestly be saying this, can ya? There was extensive contact between the Parthian and Chinese (Han China, make no mistake), including several trade agreements. In 101 BC the Han dynasty conquered Ferghana, in essence borderingthe Indo-Greek kingdom. The fact that even the Romans knew about China says something, don't you agree? I don't think that the presence of Chinese traders in Marakanda (Samarkand) would be a strange sight.
I don't think the silly wording of the phrase convinced you of my facetiousness. In 101 BC, that's one year before the end of the mod. I'd rather have chine with gamegeek's idea, but still. There's still vast room to make some changes in the factions. Wouldn't you say. I'm not currently going to stick out into the same 20 factions you got there. Sunga was removed and replaced by pandya and Satavahana was made emergent. You know, there's still room for change.
Originally Posted by The Mad Arab
Right, you know, I used to be the researcher on the Persianite factions for AtB, you do know that? I'm not interested in seeing Han China in any mod, but you're just not making sense here. There just isn't enough room, but don't go going on about how they had little influence/nobody knew them. Thank you.
Ok... They had a tad of influence and ALMOST nobody knew them
I kinda person non grata in this thread, but want to share some ideas. Adding Han Empire would be wonderful. Satavahana might be replaced with strong scripted rebels for this sake.
Come on, it would be fun to bring China troops under Piramids and face there Roman Army.
Cultures Magnificent 7: Hellenistic, Arab, Nomad, Indian, Roman, China, Eastern. 7 slots would be enough if Armeni and Antropatena would share Eastern Culture as Parthia does. As a last resort, if you would despair need slot for some Ethiopian culture, you can merge Roman and Hellenistic, as AI Roman interface doesn't make much sence.
Sense*. Why would we have an Ethiopian Culture? Those could be merged into a "semitic" culture (as most of them were of semitic origin... I guess? ) Romans as hellenistic culture; IIRC, wouldn't have their own barrack building for legions.
No, the point of the Armenian and Atrapatene culture would be to make them special and have a different feeling that they didn't have in EB. It's like making the latin-conquered gauls the same culture as the greek ones. If needed they would be merged.
Then what is Chersonesos and Pergamon's culture? They weren't so "Makedonians" as the Diadochoi, they were more of a classical greek-type culture.
it is not a reason not to include faction.
No, I addressed my lack of knowledge in the subject, not my wilingness to add a faction.
possible map outline. Almost no Europe, no mainland Greece. That is why Roman invasion time shifted to later period. Asia till Pacific Ocean.
You just expanded the current map further east. And you want to add Japan? That would make another culture fight...
I am not here to insult you, just try to clarify my point.
You just expanded the current map further east. And you want to add Japan? That would make another culture fight...
Look again. It clearly ends at Korea.
They had a tad of influence and ALMOST nobody knew them
Did you even read? The Romans had personal contact. I wouldn't be surprised if basically all the factions in the game (save perhaps Nabataea, Saba and Aksum) knew of them.
Instead of “Ethiopian” you can include “Classical Greek culture”. Romans can hire legions not in barracks but in Governments 1,2,3,4, or in Blacksmiths or Libraries, wherever you want, if you use some descr_buildings magic.
Visually culture is Portraits and Architecture. In game mechanics culture causes unrest. But you don’t want to stop AI Roman faction from dominating, isn’t it? They must be ramm faction from west. Romans would be AI only, so, why do they need own culture?
Armenia and Antropatena with Parthia share Achemenidian legacy and Idea of Great Persia. That is why they can be merged. Also, they would have same architecture and portraits as Parthia, so, no need in special culture. Oh wait, it's not NOM, this starts earlier. In this case Parthia can be Nomad (as in EB), and Antropatena with Armenia Eastern.
No, Japan needs no culture slot (Even if some parts of it would be included.). It would be Eremos, as some other lands (for which no cities would be found).
Last edited by Finn MacCumhail; 03-01-2011 at 21:53.
Did you even read? The Romans had personal contact. I wouldn't be surprised if basically all the factions in the game (save perhaps Nabataea, Saba and Aksum) knew of them.
Oh! I missed that.
I was joking.
Originally Posted by Finn MacCumhail
Instead of “Ethiopian” you can include “Classical Greek culture”. Romans can hire legions not in barracks but in Governments 1,2,3,4, or in Blacksmiths or Libraries, wherever you want, if you use some descr_buildings magic.
Visually culture is Portraits and Architecture. In game mechanics culture causes unrest. But you don’t want to stop AI Roman faction from dominating, isn’t it? They must be ramm faction from west. Romans would be AI only, so, why do they need own culture?
Armenia and Antropatena with Parthia share Achemenidian legacy and Idea of Great Persia. That is why they can be merged. Also, they would have same architecture and portraits as Parthia, so, no need in special culture. Oh wait, it's not NOM, this starts earlier. In this case Parthia can be Nomad (as in EB), and Antropatena with Armenia Eastern.
No, Japan needs no culture slot (Even if some parts of it would be included.). It would be Eremos, as some other lands (for which no cities would be found).
If you are so inclined to make proposals, go join the dev forum and I will grant you Guest Team Member access. Otherwise I have not much of a desire to go for it without team member support. Also, this is still in the early stages of development. We have still lots of road to cover and many paths will takes us down to other roads. If you want to contribute; there's a boule in the dev forum. I'd rather keep development concepts there and not here.
Did you even read? The Romans had personal contact. I wouldn't be surprised if basically all the factions in the game (save perhaps Nabataea, Saba and Aksum) knew of them.
I thought you called yourself the Mad Arab?
The Nabateans were merchant-kings, who were also good sailors, and doubtless participated heavily in the Indian trade in the 1st century CE; where doubtless they would encounter Chinese. Axum GREW off the trade to India. Saba, maybe not; but by the 1st century CE Saba was almost wiped out.
BTW my map is recommended for 30 CE. I chose this date because it's about the start-up date for the Kushan Empire, and some of the Western Kshatrapas
There is a very good reason the Chinese people today are called the Han Chinese. It's because Han China is, fairly easily in my opinion, the greatest of the Chinese dynasties. It was under them and the Qin that they Chinese people really first became united under the efficient bureaucracies of a well-run Confucian state.
Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Originally Posted by skullheadhq
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) Romans as hellenistic culture; IIRC, wouldn't have their own barrack building for legions.
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