Dammit! anyways do somone know a mod in about the EB timeframe that how bobbin get the answer
Dammit! anyways do somone know a mod in about the EB timeframe that how bobbin get the answer
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I think I have made a discovery, bobbin and Moros have different occultus symbols. Look at bobbin's and you can make out the possible Silphium plant, look at Moros sig and you can make out the head of a bird of prey. However, you cannot find the same pattern in the two sigs, indeed the colour scheme is slightly different. I think we have two occultus factions here, a Silphium like symbol and one with a raptor in it.
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No they are identical, the both come from the same file. The reason mine looks slightly different is that it was saved as a png image and so didn't suffer and quality loss when it got uploaded, the original jpg (which Moros uses) did and so that is why it looks different.
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e: already been said
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Im worried that if the Occultus faction is Cyrene there might be a bit of an uproar from the Syracuse fans. Could someone highlight for me what exactly Cyrene did during the EBII timeframe to warrant their inclusion as a faction in contrast to say the Galatians, Syracuse or the Scordisci?
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Nothing? I don't think it is Cyrene...
I really hope Kyrene isn't in, they didn't even have internal stability to embark in any expedition...
The whole area throughout history needed a permanent semi-independent military government...
Now this wasn't as much a bad thing, the Ptoleis turned it into a "second Alexandria", a great cultural center, but that was it...
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Swêboz guide for EB 1.2
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from Hannibal Khan the Great, Brennus, Tellos Athenaios, and Winsington III.
Cyrene attempted an invasion of the Nile heartlands of Ptolemaic Egypt under Magas, shortly after their rebellion from the Ptolemies in 276. It was possibly a joint operation with the Seleucids who attacked the Levantine regions at the same time. There were apparently some early successes on the Cyrenaic front but a rebellion of some Libyan subjects caused a setback which doomed any chance to reach Alexandria. There is some indication that Paraitonion possibly fell under Magas's control for some time during this invasion making him rather close to the capital indeed. In any event, they maintained independence until shortly after Magas's death in 250 when a marriage alliance cemented them back into the Ptolemaic Empire. Magas is also mentioned in the Edict of Ashoka as one of the major Hellenistic Kings. This presumably meant that at some point in our time-frame, he wielded respectable power and influence.
As far as gameplay is concerned however, Cyrene would position itself as a much needed threat to the Ptolemies in their western theater. They would play similar to the Ptolies, perhaps with a bit more reliance on lighter Libyan troops, but still a Hellenistic power nontheless. Comparing them with Syracuse is unfair. I don't think Syracuse had attacked any major power for some while in our timespan. In fact, I just noticed that the last major Syracusan attack on Carthage was jointly conducted with Cyrene, which had recently rebelled from Ptolemy I ! There was also a later Cyrenaic rebellion in the 160's(?) which lasted for some time. Clearly they were not loyal subjects.
This all being said, its just a guess on my part. I don't think Cyrene necessarily deserves the spot over a Belgae tribe, the Scordisci, or especially a Celtiberian tribe. However, gameplay somewhat demands a counterweight to the annoying Yellow Fever which ALWAYS happens (in my games at least) so I'd be willing to oversee one of those other factions for this very reason unfortunately. That is of course, unless we can do something with Meroe instead.
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That "invasion" was Magas marching to offer assistance to Antiochos I, who kept Philadelphos occupied in Koile Syria...
And the peace he rapidly made, which already made clear that his kingdom would get "incorporated" once he died, just shows how weak Cyrene was on its own and his life as an independent king was a smokescreen...
Most of all Magas was put in charge of Cyrene by the Ptoleis in the first place :P
With M2TW diplomacy and recruiting pools, everything will be much more different, maybe for the Ptoleis with the EBII authority buildings and such, they will have to spend a lot of time to get greek settlers and keep a religious peace with the locals...
All in all, in my view, Kyrene had a very brief shot at entering the "big stage" of the epigonoi, and even if we overlook that, it would be just a copy and paste of the Ptolemaioi/Seleukidai...
Fair enough, though I wonder if maybe something might be done with shadow factions a la the baron's alliance in the Britannia campaign for kingdoms.
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haha, if there was a Kyrene faction in EB1 it would probably be the hardest faction of all, Imagine Carthies and Ptollies always swarming you with elite pikemen and worse :D
*has sometimes captured kyrene with the KH and was glad he had kretan archers there.
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no, no, and no....
requires additional faction slots
hm have not said this in some time, so here you go, my wishlist for the 4 remaining factions:
1. celtiberians - fills one of the spots on the map that is in most dire need of a faction to fill it, they are unique, they were somewhat historically important
2. any sort of belgae - same reasons as the celtiberians - in addition to that the fact that someone needs to fight for britain besides the pritanoi
3. any western greek faction, as massilia is denied by the team, that leaves syracus - good god i so hope syracus will be in (although i highly doubt it) since they could be used for a migration campaign to massilia, and i need massilia to die a happy man! (besides, syracus is a fantastic start position for human players!)
4. one of the 3 eastern celtic factions: tylis/galatia/scordisci - the scordisci being my favorite since they fill an interesting spot on the map and would be quite unique a faction due to their illyrian subjects... and of course they could be used well to migrate the other two factions :D
in short: bring in factions that can be well used to play migration campaigns
yea i know.. i'm a bit focused on the west.. but there you go!
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The four I'd like to make it in are these:
- Arevaci or Vaccei, or an alliance of both.
- Ardiaei.
- Bellovaci or Ambiani.
- Nabatu or another arabian tribe of the north.
All of them, beside being quite expansionistic, can bring new cultural combinations and "unique" features...
While I'd like a western greek faction too, I hope the new KH in EBII will be enough to represent all the different leagues and states...
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And before that they had the thalassocracy of the Adriatic...
Not to mention that Epeiros, Makedonia and the greek leagues asked for their help many times...
But in line with their privateers' spirit, they decided to raid their cities, take over their islands and coasts :D
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from Hannibal Khan the Great, Brennus, Tellos Athenaios, and Winsington III.
And the userbar has nothing to do with the occultus faction XD
No I'm not. My speculations based on the following.
Jewish factions have been ruled out several times, but Yehud was a pre-Alexander Persian client-kingdom.
Yehud also inclded Samaritans, so Yehud was not Jewish State, but multinational State in this case.
The desertish background color make me think of some Arabian or Jewish faction, but Nabatu was rejected. The white things remind me feathers of the Egyptian falcon from Yehud coin.
And no one expects this kind of let's say Semitic faction
As long as a faction in that area makes it in the game, I'll be more than happy :P
Most of all I think this one is the last, for the first release, right?
cyrene was always part of ptolemaic aygyptus so putting them in would be like installing a shadow faction for the ptolemaioi
axum or meroe notice how bobbin and moros keep talking about that area and how mauryans where impossible ? eastern and western greeks combined and you get the last cuylture slot \o
Now that i think of it. it could be the nubians. wich adopted the ancient egyptian culture
I know the team said for months how a nubian faction can't make it due to poor sources/evidences for a military beyond archery and spears, plus the lack of a cultural slot to implement, among other things, sub-saharan portraits; but having such a faction, would just be the cherry on the pie :D
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Hmm, well the symbol is yellow. There seem to be some strange markings in the lower right corner.
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massalia should be a must ( denied by the team, just read that) sad :_
still imo should be a must, werent they vassals to the romans? from what i remember from the Rome game from paradox is that they were paying tribute to romans or something like that.
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