"Heretics" The Religion(s) Devoured

[LeftEyeNine]

Are you implying ethics is exclusive to religion?

Nope, how did you figure that out ?

Is not as much as corruption in terms of moral behaviour, but rather as reactionary thinking opposing athenian democracy...
I find it hard to call him an heretic as his prosecution had nothing to do with religious matters...

Religion was involved and in the eyes of the common men, one allegedly having "heretical beliefs" has substantial negative effect towards the suspect compared to other accusations.

[Kralizec]

Is not as much as corruption in terms of moral behaviour, but rather as reactionary thinking opposing athenian democracy...
I find it hard to call him an heretic as his prosecution had nothing to do with religious matters...

A quick look at wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Socrates

Socrates was tried on the basis of two notoriously ambiguous charges: corrupting the youth and impiety (in Greek, asebeia). More specifically, Socrates’ accusers cited two "impious" acts: "failing to acknowledge the gods that the city acknowledges" and "introducing new deities.

The second element of the trial was a formal accusation, which the accuser Meletus swore before the Archon, a state office-holder with primarily religious duties. Having decided that there was a case to answer, the Archon summoned Socrates to appear before a jury of Athenian citizens, to answer charges of corrupting the youth of Athens and impiety.

[Arjos]

Those are the excuses put up by the athenian new gov in order to start a somewhat legal trial, also btw accusation doesn't mean guilt...
Are you telling me for example that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or that they were involved in terrorist attacks? :)

Is the same old story, people in charge need motives so that they won't lose face and support by the masses...

[LeftEyeNine]

Those are the excuses put up by the athenian new gov in order to start a somewhat legal trial, also btw accusation doesn't mean guilt..

That's what I am talking about.

Some cardinal/priest/shaman does not like your views about the earth not being the center of the universe which has nothing to do with the dominant religion and uses his zealous power to hunt you down or oppress to the extent of humiliation. Religion devours the "heretic".

My point any clearer now, good sire ?

[Arjos]

Each religion has its own cosmology, so it has a lot to do with it...
Technically speaking heretics were guilty under dogmatic laws...
Socrates' trial was under a citizens' jury, also there really can't be heresy in greek polytheism as there wasn't any "law" in it, no written book of "truth", etc...

[LeftEyeNine]

I clearly fail to get my point across despite attempting it numerous times and won't be pursuing it for any longer. Okay.

Interesting reads about Arius and Nestorius by the way. In what correspondence do you relate them to Muhammed's mentality, Skullhead ?

[Skullheadhq]

Arius denied the divinity of Christ, so did Muhammed, only Muhammed went even further than Arius in minimizing Christ in his theological views. Aetian Arianism, which taught Christ was not like the Father, like the semi-arians taught, but unlike the Father, is even closer to Mohammedanism. I'm pretty sure this was Muhammed's inspiration. Nestorius, Pelagius and the likes were the slippery slope towards Islam and certainly inspiration for Muhammed the heresiarch. Hope I didn't bore you with theological disputes from Antiquity.

[LeftEyeNine]

No, not at all. Actually that's inspiration for a new discussion.

Thank you.