A quick positive note about this community and post-release

[ReluctantSamurai]

Where your analysis falls down is the assumption we agree that Empire turned into a very good game

Probably a bit presumptuous on my part seeing as how I never played it. I have no interest in that era of military history, and was just going by what others have said and that it's been said that Empires has sold more copies than any other TW title

Until there is a really good challenger, I dont think we will ever see the "best" product CA could produce

Amen to this....

[BroskiDerpman]

That's for copies sold/ activated on Steam.

Though I think Rome 1 beats it if you could actually count all sales since the release of that game.

I like the era (Prefer 1400s to 1700 better) but it's just poorly represented and implemented.

[Suraknar]

First, thanks for the nice thread Hooahguy

Second, I pretty much liked ETW as well, it had its issues in the begining, but overall I enjoyed it for many more hours than NTW (which I varelly played). I did not like the guided approach and limits of NTW... enjoyed much the Open familiar play of a ETW campaign.

A more exciting game would be a game like ETW but set in the Napoleonic era, with Open gameplay and the setup of ETW, (Americas and Asian Continents etc).

Yet the periods are close nevertheless, and with the mods of ETW one could have a great variety of troops even, which made it all more interesting.

On the oher hand the Strategic mechanics of NTW were somewhat of an improvement over ETW.

Can you now immagine ETW but with Rome2 mechanics/strategy map? That would be something!

[easytarget]

Hey, no hard feelings as far as I'm concerned towards the CA boys and girls, I consider it a major success finding one game out of everything a development house makes that I consider a great game. It doesn't come along often so I most assuredly appreciate it when it does.

For me that game was Shogun 2.

So if they fail to ever make another game that's worth a flip it won't matter a whit to me, they'll still be aces in my book.

[Jarmam]

On the other hand, it shouldn't be the job of the community and the modder to fix the game.
I find it good that there is some feeling of "that's not acceptable". The publishers wouldn't do it if they knew they couldn't get away with it, so in a sense trying to be too "reasonable" is actually a bad thing.

There is a difference between a "feeling of thats not acceptable" and "hyperbolic mayhem". I have that feeling quite a bit, and have expressed it often. I am just still stoked for the game because of its potential in the hands of competent modders. But I still complain, of course. There are many puzzling decisions made that I am... puzzled by.

If criticism is fair then there isn't (or shouldn't be) a need to make up more or go ballistic in spamthreads. I believe that's what this thread is about.

[nafod]

This community is a more tempered version of other places. I've always enjoyed it.

I started playing TW with Rome, and found the Org while playing Medieval II, although I didn't join until around Empire. I will say Empire seemed to cause a schism in the Org, if not general falling out in CA support in general. Posting activity for Napoleon, Shogun 2 and now Rome 2 is considerably less than Empire or Medieval 2.

While I was disappointed in a lot of decisions for Empire I'd say I generally enjoyed it, especially with mods. However after reading post after post about how awesome it was to play England, and later figuring out that the AI couldn't do naval invasions.......I just couldn't overcome the complete failure that game was. The Org pretty much ran the spectrum of fans at the time. There were: those who could only spit vitriol about CA, those who were generally depressed, those who were hopeful mods could fix it, and those who loved the game regardless. I'd say the extremes on either end were the fewest but generally the most vocal, and at odds with each other.

I sat out Napoleon (picked it up on sale but haven't even played through Italy). Played the heck out of Shogun 2 but really haven't been active in the Org since.

I do miss all the activity....Like Ask the Pizza Guy's total conquest speed challenges and all the guides people used to go to the trouble to make.

[Myth]

This community is a more tempered version of other places. I've always enjoyed it.

I started playing TW with Rome, and found the Org while playing Medieval II, although I didn't join until around Empire. I will say Empire seemed to cause a schism in the Org, if not general falling out in CA support in general. Posting activity for Napoleon, Shogun 2 and now Rome 2 is considerably less than Empire or Medieval 2.

While I was disappointed in a lot of decisions for Empire I'd say I generally enjoyed it, especially with mods. However after reading post after post about how awesome it was to play England, and later figuring out that the AI couldn't do naval invasions.......I just couldn't overcome the complete failure that game was. The Org pretty much ran the spectrum of fans at the time. There were: those who could only spit vitriol about CA, those who were generally depressed, those who were hopeful mods could fix it, and those who loved the game regardless. I'd say the extremes on either end were the fewest but generally the most vocal, and at odds with each other.

I sat out Napoleon (picked it up on sale but haven't even played through Italy). Played the heck out of Shogun 2 but really haven't been active in the Org since.

I do miss all the activity....Like Ask the Pizza Guy's total conquest speed challenges and all the guides people used to go to the trouble to make.

You will be pleasantly surprised then

[The Stranger]

lets turn this thread into a flamewar, just to prove the op wrong?!?

[Ignoramus]

The official forums have been a write off for about 8 years. Most official forums are. It seems like level headed, realistic people simply don't bother getting all worked up about stuff. That just leaves the ADD type nut jobs frothing at the mouth providing feed back. Even reading that can get you all worked up even when you are pretty relaxed about how things are progressing.

That's why I'm here and have been for ages.

This game is immense, the coding is enormous and they do a great job getting a stable build out at release. Give it 2 to 5 weeks and you will have a top notch game with all the issues ironed out.

That's a good return on investment in my view. Managing your own expectations is the key. :)

Slightly, OT, but great to see you're still around, AG!

[Lord of the Isles]

lets turn this thread into a flamewar, just to prove the op wrong?!?

Stop trying to fan the flames like ... a fanboy.

[Dodge_272]

I used to like TWC but now it appears it is populated by nationalists and children.

[edyzmedieval]

lets turn this thread into a flamewar, just to prove the op wrong?!?

Stirring up trouble, tsk tsk tsk

[The Stranger]

Stirring up trouble, tsk tsk tsk

you know me :P trouble preceedes me, its not a causal relation, just bad luck :S

[b257]

I actually joined this forum because the users here seem more grounded and respectful to each other. TWC was becoming a bit to divisive to my liking and the release of Rome2 and its results only made things worse, plus it didn't help that the influx of users slowed it down to a crawl so logging in is near impossible. You guys seem like a more reasonable and down to earth group especially after seeing how well you guys have maintain a sense of civility since the fallout of the Rome 2 release :).

[rvg]

Yeah, on the bugs level they may be equal, but as far as misguided design, surely Empire was not half as badly as Rome II. Most of the systems it implemented were pulled off much better and were just better ideas to begin with. The only system RII implemented that sounds like a great concept is the LOS system, and like with many of Empire's new additions, it was implemented horribly.

I sunk close to 1000 hours into ETW. After the final patch the game was reasonably good. FotS imho is the pinnacle of the TW series so far, I absolutely love it. As for Rome 2, haven't bought it, and now have zero plans to buy it until it's patched up and sitting firmly in the bargain bin. They had the gall to charge $59.99 for what is essentially a beta. Shameless.

Anyway, I hope they don't screw up the Warhammer license.

[antisocialmunky]

I think Shogun II brought a lot of people into TW that weren't aware about the problem in previous TW releases. I mean, M2TW had shield values that were negative and animation bugs that made peasants stun lock all their enemies to death. It wasn't until Kingdoms that most everything was fixed. Likewise ETW wasn't completely playable until that game's expansions came out. I think that CA realized they couldn't screw up Shogun II and that a lot of people were very passionate about doing a sequel of Shogun right so we had basically a perfect launch with nothing majorly broken.

I think this community is more Chill because the center and the official forums honeypot most of the rabid people there.

[BroskiDerpman]

I wonder if you're active for EB online? I'm installing and patching up during the weekend for some online action. Shogun 2 is empty, Napoleon is full of droppers (Can't save replays then) and Rome 2 is screwed up.

Plus I'd like to try out EB online as it seems fun. 1v1s interest me the most on time matters.

(Sorry for derailing in advance :P)

CA from what I've seen needs serious balance patching and instead of putting capture points in SP it should've been in MP.

[Alcibiade]

Hello everybody :-) OP is right this is a much quieter forum. Compared to others it's like a haven in the midst of the zombie apocalypse. Mundus bellicus is just like here, so rabies hasn't spread everywhere yet. R2 is a weird mix of nice innovations and total regressions. If some of you think it can be fixed, well it bring some hope. And if its not... well EB2 will be there sooner or later. As for Rome 2 's AI, maybe it needs to be fed with tons of datas and situations to behave normally.

[Hooahguy]

Hello everybody :-) OP is right this is a much quieter forum. Compared to others it's like a heaven in the midst of the zombie apocalypse.

Now if we can just get more people to visit here instead of the other forums....

[johnhughthom]

Now if we can just get more people to visit here instead of the other forums....

It will become as bad as the other forums?

[BroskiDerpman]

Exactly, this forums is like bliss to me. Sure people differ opinions than me on Rome 2 but at least nobody goes all out nerd rage... Yet....

[Myth]

Actually we could use more members and contributors. The .org prides itself in its core user base, but the new guys will quickly pick up our attitude I think. Plus, we staff members are here to advise and if necessary, enforce the .org way of conduct.

[Shaitan]

Actually we could use more members and contributors. The .org prides itself in its core user base, but the new guys will quickly pick up our attitude I think. Plus, we staff members are here to advise and if necessary, enforce the .org way of conduct.

It's comparably quiet to the last time I was reading this forum (M2 was the last TW title I played prior R2). When M2TW came out there was more activity here iirc.

But .com and TWC is not bearable. So much flaming and ranting. This forum is is much more mature and I like it. I too think new members will enjoy and adopt the .org way.

[Akka]

I guess I will be taking a very careful look at Europa Universalis IV.

EU is a GREAT serie, but it doesn't really compete with the TW one. They have common background theme, but aside that they are polar opposite (EU focus on management, diplomacy and grand strategy with battle being automated and graphics kept to a minimum, TW focus on battles and graphical immersion).

I'm right now having a blast in EU4, but it doesn't scratch my "huge battle" itch like I wanted RTW2 to.

[edyzmedieval]

Quite true, an influx of new members would definitely suit the Org and make this play even better than it already is.

[Hooahguy]

EU is a GREAT serie, but it doesn't really compete with the TW one. They have common background theme, but aside that they are polar opposite (EU focus on management, diplomacy and grand strategy with battle being automated and graphics kept to a minimum, TW focus on battles and graphical immersion).

I'm right now having a blast in EU4, but it doesn't scratch my "huge battle" itch like I wanted RTW2 to.

Agreed. Its like comparing apples to oranges.

Quite true, an influx of new members would definitely suit the Org and make this play even better than it already is.

Agreed. The Org isnt as strong as it used to be. I remember back in 2007-2008 almost every subforum was a bustling place, it was a great place to be. Now, while its still a great place to be, its not exactly bustling anymore.

[BroskiDerpman]

Now I realize, this place just feels too quiet. Even the IB mod subforum can be more active which surprises me ...

[Zatoichi]

Keep the noise down, some of us are trying to sleep here!

[BroskiDerpman]

It's the Rome 2 party, of course it's going to be loud, what it's loud for? Hmmmmm I really do wonder...

[edyzmedieval]

Agreed. The Org isnt as strong as it used to be. I remember back in 2007-2008 almost every subforum was a bustling place, it was a great place to be. Now, while its still a great place to be, its not exactly bustling anymore.

Back in 2005, when I joined, Rome was barely out and this place was literally bursting with people. Endless posts, replies and what not, it was quite something.

Quite a lot of fun around here back in those days...