Rome 2 Patches, Hotfixes, Betas and Such (patch 17 live!)

[Ituralde]

Playing on patch day seems to be bad luck for me. Just like with patch 2 I've had numerous freezes tonight, whereas I had none when I played a couple of hours last week. Maybe it's a problem with Steam where some hotfixes don't come through. Really frustrating to have the patch make it unplayable. Anyone else have similar experiences or is it smooth sailing for you guys?

[Barkhorn1x]

Playing on patch day seems to be bad luck for me. Just like with patch 2 I've had numerous freezes tonight, whereas I had none when I played a couple of hours last week. Maybe it's a problem with Steam where some hotfixes don't come through. Really frustrating to have the patch make it unplayable. Anyone else have similar experiences or is it smooth sailing for you guys?

For those having issues I strongly suggest the following:

- Right click on the Rome TW II icon in the Steam menu
- Select Properties
- Select Local Files
- Select Verify Game Cache

...as I suspect some files were corrupted or failed to d/l. The above will fix those problems.

[Ituralde]

For those having issues I strongly suggest the following:

- Right click on the Rome TW II icon in the Steam menu
- Select Properties
- Select Local Files
- Select Verify Game Cache

...as I suspect some files were corrupted or failed to d/l. The above will fix those problems.

Will try this, once I am home. Does Steam do this automatically from time to time?
I ask, because I didn't do this after the last patch, and while it froze a couple of times on patch day, it worked like a charm several days afterwards. I'm not sure if there were Hotfixes in between though. I'll keep this in mind though and it will be the first thing I try, if those problems crop up again.

Thanks!

[Sp4]

As far as I know, Steam does not do it automatically.

[Shaitan]

Regarding the issue with the blockaded port and not be able to attack a city. I had the issue that my client state was besieging a land only capital city and I could not join the siege or initiate the attack.

Is this a common bug or maybe even intended?

[Bramborough]

Regarding the issue with the blockaded port and not be able to attack a city. I had the issue that my client state was besieging a land only capital city and I could not join the siege or initiate the attack.

Is this a common bug or maybe even intended?

The difference is that a land siege cannot go on indefinitely. First, a besieging army takes higher attrition losses than a blockading navy. Second, the city will eventually surrender if there's no sally-out or assault. Third, the AI appears to be much more likely to assault (as attacker) or sally-out (as defender) for a land siege than to execute these actions for a naval blockade. So...the situation resolves itself within a few turns.

With the naval blockade, there is no surrender turn-limit, the AI appears content to just sit out the blockade as either attacker or defender, and the low attrition rate allows them to do so for a very long time.

[Sp4]

The difference is that a land siege cannot go on indefinitely. First, a besieging army takes higher attrition losses than a blockading navy. Second, the city will eventually surrender if there's no sally-out or assault. Third, the AI appears to be much more likely to assault (as attacker) or sally-out (as defender) for a land siege than to execute these actions for a naval blockade. So...the situation resolves itself within a few turns.

With the naval blockade, there is no surrender turn-limit, the AI appears content to just sit out the blockade as either attacker or defender, and the low attrition rate allows them to do so for a very long time.

A port settlement that is under siege from a land army but not blockaded wont suffer any attrition and as far as I know, it will be able to last forever as well or until someone blockades the port.

[Bramborough]

A port settlement that is under siege from a land army but not blockaded wont suffer any attrition and as far as I know, it will be able to last forever as well or until someone blockades the port.

I meant attrition for the blockader, not the blockaded. Currently, attrition suffered by a blockading navy is far less than for a besieging army. Coupled with the fact that there's no surrender deadline like there is with a siege, means blockades can go on forever.

[jbillybrack]

Will try this, once I am home. Does Steam do this automatically from time to time?
I ask, because I didn't do this after the last patch, and while it froze a couple of times on patch day, it worked like a charm several days afterwards. I'm not sure if there were Hotfixes in between though. I'll keep this in mind though and it will be the first thing I try, if those problems crop up again.

Thanks!

They did in fact do a hotfix for patch beta 3 to allow alt-tabbing out. Don't know if it's common practice.

[edyzmedieval]

Patch 4 notes. (so far in BETA)

Technical and Performance Issues

• Further optimisation to Campaign pathfinding.
• Improved the performance of selecting units.
• Incremental performance improvements, reduced CPU bottleneck in a number of scenarios - further improvements pending in future patch.
• Fixed crashes occurring when entering battles, declaring war, and ending turn after changing the unit size in the advanced graphics options menu in Campaign modes.
• Fixed crash when placing deployables with a single click in invalid locations on the battlefield.
• Fixed rare crash in battles when unit banners were moving slowly due to low frame rates.
• Fixed an indefinite hang, when attacking Egyptian rebel army across the Nile in Campaign mode.
• Fixed crash in the ambush controller caused by incorrectly assuming that an are in an ambush battle was being loaded, when loading into a multiplayer land battle.
• Fixed crash occurs during AI turn cycle, after changing the unit size options while in Campaign mode.
• Fix for major performance issue caused by reinforcing naval units in certain circumstances.
• The Campaign game will no longer crash when selecting the "Province Details" panel after selecting "Raise Forces".
• Fix for crash due to transport ships erroneously being able to select shot types.
• Fix for crash when the game deleted the cached user interface panels, which would cause other panels to open and attempt to delete the cached panel again, when ending turn in single Player Campaign mode.
• Fixed Campaign lock up when a rank 2 or higher General dies, after selecting a replacement with the "Duty Calls" event, then selecting any other open event, and then attempting to open Diplomacy.
• Fixed a crash when rapidly clicking the fire button on the Polybolos unit in Frist Person mode.
• Fixed rare crash when selecting an active mission in the Objectives panel in Campaign modes.
• Fixed a rare crashing bug in the campaign when selecting units.
• Improved performance of drag-outs and holding space to show unit proxies, by no longer render ghosts for men and mounts, as they were too expensive to render. Artillery, ships and vehicles still have ghosts rendered.

Gameplay Improvements

• Improved AI construction logic. It now constructs more military buildings.
• Improved AI army compositions & unit quality. The AI uses better units and slightly less ranged units.
• AI research is more military focused at the start of the campaign.
• Slightly reduced the settlement defensive bonuses for the auto-resolver.
• Increased the willingness of the AI signing trade agreements and defensive alliance.
• The AI are now much more careful with constructing buildings that consume food or increase squalor. This has improved the AI's ability to fight food shortage problems.
• Added more restrictions on the AI running too often making them exhausted by the time they reach their opponents.
• Improvements to the AI defensive ambush behaviour.
• AI now have improved ability to place its forces appropriately to deal with simultaneous front and side attacks. This involves angling and bifurcation of its *line with appropriate units to deal with the players use of flanking or harassing forces.
• Fixed a bug where sometimes AI factions wouldn't generate a stance towards the player at the start of a Campaign, meaning they started the Campaign neutral to the players faction, and sometimes ask for peace immediately.
• When generating armies, the AI is now more likely to choose elite units when they have the funds to do so.
• Improved AI use of Pikemen in battles.
• Fixing bug where the AI will not know what do if river edge hint lines are present in a map without crossing hint lines. Also improving AI use of phalanx formation in river defence.
• Increased chance of AI making alliances in diplomacy.
• Slightly increased the effects of diplomatic events on relations with third party factions, and the AI remembers diplomatic events for a longer period of time.
• Difficulty can no longer be changed from the in-campaign game settings whist in a Campaign on Legendary difficulty.
• Deployed agents on the campaign map, no longer reset back to being un-deployed when they level up.
• Fix for missile troops sometimes firing in a "perfect" formation, rather than appearing natural and offset.
• Diplomacy improvements - Factions attitudes towards each other are now mapped with colours on the map on the diplomacy screen. When your faction is selected, it shows other factions attitudes to you, and when other faction selected, shows their attitudes to other factions. Also, the factors tooltip now works between two non-player factions by selecting a non-player faction and moussing over another faction.
• In Multiplayer battles, if the last remaining player in an alliance has a network timeout disconnection, the game will now be a draw.
• Fix for units pursuing enemies when reacting to melee (not for direct orders). *Units will no longer pursue enemies when reacting to melee.
• Fix for bug where units pursuing a routing unit could stop pursuing when the unit rallied even though they were still not in contact with the target.
• Made individual cavalry units breaking out of combat more easily, to reduce units getting stuck in brawls.
• Allied armies in siege battles now use separate default deployment lines so they don't deploy crammed into the same area.
• Reduced qualifying trait list for various "Mad" traits (such as "Not quite right" or "Unhinged") for generals in campaign modes.
• When a port is garrisoned in a port settlement, it is now possible to recruit units to the fleet.
• Units are now automatically assigned to siege equipment in deployment.
• If an AI faction offers an alliance to the player, it is no longer possible to offer satrapy status and have both active offers at the same time.
• Fixed the firing arch for African elephant units.
• The Loose formation button has been added for certain units in battle.
• Teutoburg Forest historic battle is now more tolerant to the general or other Roman forces wandering off the beaten track.
• The cap on Mounted Artillery pieces is now set at 6 per team / alliance instead of 6 per army.
• When a host decides to make changes to the game setup (e.g. add new player slots) in a multiplayer lobby, these changes are now more accurately displayed to the clients in the lobby.
• In Multiplayer Campaign mode, the "Show AI player moves" option is now reflected correctly for the client.
• Multiplayer Ambush battles can no longer be started with 2v2 (or greater) numbers of players. This battle type is now limited to 1v1 as intended.
• Whilst in a Campaign as Egypt, the "Defender of Alexandria" mission now requires the correct target to be completed.
• Various fixes for men being unable to disembark from ships in battles.

Balancing Changes

• Re-balancing for Transport ships.
• Enemies routing now have double the morale impact.
• The Form Square unit ability now gives a small increase to morale and a bracing bonus in battles.
• Re-balancing for the damage rate of fire on burning buildings and gates.
• The Charge timeout tolerance has been reduced so heavy units aren’t so good at chasing down skirmishers.
• Further reductions to Casualty morale penalties at lower levels.
• Flanking and rear charge morale penalties have been increased.
• Increase morale penalty for general death/fleeing.
• Increased effect of rear attack in melee.
• Reduced melee defence stats for most units, and increased shield melee defence values to even out the differences between units.
• Melee attack reduced slightly for most units.
• Increased melee defence for all shock cavalry units.
• Tweaked balancing of Hoplite units.
• Fix for Silver Shield Pikemen using wrong shield type.

Usability Improvements

• Players can now customise the emblem on their Generals and Admirals banners. 32 new emblems have been added. When you select a General or Admiral on the Campaign map, and click the "Details" button, players can select a new emblem via a new user interface.
• Switching graphics quality will no longer reset changes made to the "run in window" checkbox.
• Fixed issue in Multiplayer Campaign diplomacy, where both players had control over the accept/cancel buttons at same time, so they could (for example) spam the send offer button to result in multiple trade agreements with same player.
• Fixed user interface exploit which allowed the players in battles in Legendary difficulty, to pause battles and still issue orders to their units.
• The Maintain blockade button no longer appears on the pre-battle screen after attacking an enemy army and clicking fight battle.
• In Campaign modes, if an army is embarked on a navy and in a port (e.g. by capturing a port settlement with an army/navy) it is now easier to get that army out of the water and into the garrison.
• Fixed issue where if the player declared war several times successively in diplomacy in Campaign modes, some of the text on the declare war panel would go missing.
• Improved "Culture Details" interface when the mouse is placed over the "Culture" icon on a "Province Details" panel in Campaign modes.
• Slowed down scrolling with the mouse wheel on the Province tab in Campaign modes, as it was too fast.
• Prologue chapters are now unlocked as soon as the player plays them.
• Improved the progress bar above ships in battles when they are boarding each other.
• Fixed strength bar not being setup in negotiation screen of Diplomacy.
• The Banner emblems have been removed from the top of barbarian unit banners to make it easier to distinguish Generals and Admirals.
• The Cruel agent trait now has a positive icon instead of a negative one, as it has a positive effect.
• Improved responsiveness of the Technology panel user interface in Campaign modes.
• In Chat, remembered chat rooms are no longer re-created when they are not found. This is to fix the issue of lots of chat rooms being created, that only contain 1 person.
• There is now a faction flag for each alliance involved in battle on the loading screen when loading into a battle.
• Saving keyboard setups with characters such as "&, <, >," or ' " in the name is now supported.
• The list of save games in the Save / Load menu now loads faster, and prevent the player from over-writing files with the same name by prompting them when this is about to occur.
• Fixed issue when giving a double click move/attack order to a unit while dragging units into formation at the same time, which caused the drag-outs to get stuck to the cursor.
• Fix for a bug in the "Cloud" tab of the save menu. When closing the menu and re-opening it, the "Cloud" tab was selected, but the cloud saves weren't listed.
• Fix for a bug that allowed the player to use the "ping" function (which draws yellow arrows on the campaign map, when the player presses the [F5] key) in *Single Player Campaign, so it now only works in Multiplayer Campaign as intended.
• When there is a civil war during a Carthage campaign game, the emerging Adirim Loyalists' faction icon is now sown next to the settlement names of settlements owned by Adirim Loyalists, instead of the original Carthage faction icon.
• Fixed various missing texture issues on unit banners in battles for reinforcements, disembarking ships, and when had flags were off then turned on.
• The group morale frames on Unit Banners are coloured same as ungrouped units in battles.
• The "Attacker Direction" dropdown list has been hidden instead of greyed out in the Battle Setup screens for Custom and Multiplayer battles, when not applicable, to avoid confusion.
• Trample abilities effects on fatigue are now clearer in battles.
• In the Custom Battle setup screen, the Mare Ibericum battle map no longer remains selected when the player selects another map.
• The portrait of the selected character on the Character Details screen in Campaign modes no longer overlaps frame around the portrait.
• Fixed for land unit style category icons and tooltips sometimes being shown on ship unit banners during battles.
• Fixed subtitles on some tutorial videos in the Encyclopaedia.
• Fixed a bug where destroying one slave army would kill / make all the other slave armies disappear.
• Unit cards now scale horizontally to a certain limit, to reduce the likelihood of requiring double row of cards, which takes up quite a lot of space on the screen.
• The "Active Missions" button in the objectives panel now highlights correctly when selected.
• The description text for the second objective ("White India") of the fifth historical chapter ("Excelsior") of the Parthia faction now fits correctly in the text box in the Objectives panel.
• If the player uses the encyclopaedia shortcut while scrolling a menu, the scroll bar button will no longer appear on top (overlap) the encyclopaedia page.
• Experience levelling up effects on banners are no longer displayed when banners themselves are hidden, e.g. in Cinematic Camera view in Battles.
• The "Roma Captured" video now plays when Rome is captured on the Campaign map, when the player choses to loot or raze Roma.
• Fixed bug when making an Offer / Demand in diplomacy that would stop the diplomats mouth from moving as they spoke.
• Players can no longer select the Greek faction in Multiplayer Campaign mode with the arrow keys, when they don't own the Greek States Culture Pack DLC, which led to both players being returned to the main menu when loading the campaign.
• Having the "Add Offer/ Demand" window open in diplomacy, while breaking a treaty will no longer cause the "Add Offer/ Demand" window to remain visible.
• Players can now load a fleet or army on coastal and port assault battles, instead of only fleets.
• Fix for Socii units missing variations in battles.
• Added greaves to Carthaginian Hoplites units in battles.
• Fix for Chosen Spear and Sword band missing helmet variation in battles.
• Event messages that open automatically will now correctly open in order, one by one.
• Pressing the "Cancel" button when changing the Push To Talk key in the Voice Chat Settings menu now works as expected.
• The icon for glassware is now visible on the Hieron Ton Megalon Theon's building card.
• Better consistency between the attributes that are displayed on the recruitment user interface for Generals and the attributes of the General once recruited.
• Fixed tool tip on notification icon that appears on the "Details" button when units are available to upgrade.
• When entering the diplomacy screen for the first time in Campaign modes, the accompanying speech now matches the text displayed.
• Promotion level is now displayed on the Faction Summary and Faction Details *Panel in Campaign modes when a character is selected.
• Placeholder text no longer displays on the pre-battle user interface for one player, when a rebel army attacks the other player in Multiplayer Campaign mode.
• Pressing the Escape key while pacing the mouse over a construction options in the Settlement Details panel no longer leaves the construction options open while closing the Settlement Detail panel.
• Increased Cataphract armour, and strong version added for Royal Cataphracts units.
• Changed armour for Eastern Noble Horse Archers to Cataphracts.
• Fix for incorrect colouring of battle list entries.
• Clicking on the "zoom to location" button on event messages will now always take you to the correct location.
• Added in missing standard bearers to Spartan and Carthaginian infantry units.
• When an agent is with an army that is accompanying a fleet, separating the agent from the army now updates the user interface correctly, so that the agent no longer appears like it's with the army.
• Fixed missing text on the "Accept" button when offering diplomacy to another faction in Campaign modes.
• Fixed the arrows buttons functionality on various scrollbars in the Campaign user interface.
• When viewing the total number of army units listed in a merged fleet, in the top left corner of the unit panel in campaign modes, it now correctly shows the number of units instead of incorrectly displaying the fleet total.
• When a unit gains a rank during or after a battle in Campaign modes, there is now a "level-up" animation to highlight this.
• The red left and right arrows on either side of the settlement name in the left hand side of the screen when a settlement is selected on the campaign map, now toggle between settlements more effectively.
• When the Rhodes region is captured on the Campaign map, and under player control, viewing the Tactical Map will now colour the region correctly.
• The arrow to sort by Food Production in the Province panel in Campaign modes now sorts correctly.
• Switching between different forces on the Campaign map, while in the Details panel is open, will now update the stance button, so the changing the stance with this button will now set the stance for the currently selected force.
• When looking for an online multiplayer battle, the list of games available are in the Battle List window can now be scrolled with the mouse wheel.
• When exiting negotiations with faction in the Diplomacy panel, that faction now stays selected in faction list so the player doesn't have to scroll down the whole list each time.
• When placing the mouse over buildings that can be converted in a settlement in Campaign modes, the mouse now highlights the upgrades correctly.
• Fixed the sort by diplomatic status button in the "Known Factions" list in the diplomacy panel in Campaign Modes.
• In Multiplayer Campaign, when one player declares war on a faction and confirms this, the "Call your Allies to help!" checkbox is now hidden, as changing it after this point didn't do anything.
• While choosing an agent action in Campaign modes, the player can now see the current treasury status of the agent in the agent action panel.
• During all Quick Battle multiplayer games, when any player enters the deployment screen they are no longer shown as Rome for a couple of seconds while the game is set up.
• The expanded tooltip for client state in diplomacy now no longer always displays 0.
• Arrow keys can no longer be used to move artillery weapons in First Person mode, as this was not an intended feature.
• Fixed incomes from client states and satrapies not being shown correctly in diplomacy.
• Improved menu response to use of double-click when using the "Controls" menu under "Settings" in the main menu.
• In the Controls menu, if changes are made to controls and the Accept button is pressed, the save dialog appears automatically. If this dialog is cancelled, and the Accept button is pressed again, all control changes will no longer be discarded without warning.
• Fixed some layout issues with faction list in multiplayer campaign.
• Added hull upgrade icon to Unit Cards, and fixed upgrade icons not appearing in battle.
• Fixed the "Zoom to Province" button in campaign modes sometimes zooming to the last region within the province group, instead of the capital (main settlement).
• Removed the confirmation dialog when quitting a battle when the player had already won and was chasing down routers, to avoid confusion about what will happen (as the player has already won, quitting just ends the battle with victory).
• Text made more clear in the confirmation dialog when quitting a battle.
• The wider your resize the chat window the more rooms you can now see.
• The Escape key now works correctly with the "Lock Visibility" option in chat.
• Fixed issue where the cursor wouldn't update, if it had mouse over a text input box when transitioned between different areas of game, and stay as a text cursor within battles (for example).
• In the Defence of Campania chapter of the Prologue campaign, the "infinity symbol" is no longer displayed on unit cards when the units can be recruited.
• Fixed flickering graphics when the "downgrade warning" message appears on loading screens.
• Fixed issue where the shroud would disappear from the Campaign Tactical Map and Mini-Map when entering Tactical Map or moving a character.
• Fixed for rain being shown as an option for snowy regions in the Custom Battle setup screen, as it would just appear as snow in the battle anyway.
• Added tooltips to the left and right arrows in "Your Forces" panel in pre-battle campaign phase.
• Added some missing text for reinforcements on the pre-battle loading screen.
• Altered tooltip for Siege Turn Time and Fix for Order of Battle reinforcements tooltip not displaying.
• The text for "Shoa AI player movements" in Italian ("Mostra mosse dei giocatori") now fits correctly in the Multiplayer Campaign setup menu.
• Phase timers are now displayed as a ring around Ability buttons in battles.
• Added some text that was missing from the Faction Summary screen in Campaign modes.
• Added current ancillary card to the "Ancillary Gained" event message.
• The Province details button no longer remains selected after deselecting a settlement.
• Removed the sound effect when placing the mouse over blank / empty character options in the Family Politics panel.
• Update to the hyperlinks for '"Amies" in the Prologue Defence of Campania.
• The text for "Game Mode" in Italian ("Modalità di gioco") now fits correctly in the button in the Multiplayer Campaign setup menu.
• Some hyperlinks in the user interface in Campaign modes have been removed, as it opened a blank page in the Encyclopaedia.
• Fix for grammar errors in the subject dilemma text.
• Various localisation text and audio fixes in French, Italian, German, Spanish, Czech, Russian, Polish and Turkish.

[Hooahguy]

Super excited to try this out:

Players can now customise the emblem on their Generals and Admirals banners. 32 new emblems have been added. When you select a General or Admiral on the Campaign map, and click the "Details" button, players can select a new emblem via a new user interface.

The patch notes look fantastic, cant wait to try all this new stuff out!

[Barkhorn1x]

Meaty, beaty big and bouncy!!!

[AntiDamascus]

Increased the willingness of the AI signing trade agreements and defensive alliance.

Yay

[Sp4]

Fixed Campaign lock up when a rank 2 or higher General dies, after selecting a replacement with the "Duty Calls" event, then selecting any other open event, and then attempting to open Diplomacy.

How did the find that? Do people try these things out? I wonder if there is someone out there who tries playing this while doing a handstand.

-E- I did a 'little test' and now everyone trades with me, even people who hate me XD

[Suraknar]

How did the find that? Do people try these things out? I wonder if there is someone out there who tries playing this while doing a handstand.

-E- I did a 'little test' and now everyone trades with me, even people who hate me XD

This is most probably found by QA testers, or Game Testers if you will who are paid for it. They actually have a list of Do this then this then this etc etc.

[Bramborough]

Liking patch4beta. Lots of nice little items which just makes things easier. Now on "Household Expands", one can compare the current retainer with the newly available one, instead of trying to remember who was with that general. The province list mouse-scrolls again.

Trade does seem to come a bit easier now. I'm not sure if that's the patch, or the fact that I'm now playing Pontus which has a nice diplo boost with Hellenic states (as opposed to my prior Junii Romans whom everyone instinctively hates).

Haven't yet had a chance yet to take over enemy towns to see if they're building them any smarter. I did just fight an AI army which seemed well loaded with as high-quality troops as they could reasonably have available at this game stage...although again I don't know if that's the patch or not.

Best of all, seeing none of the glitchiness which seemed to plague many of us with the introduction of patch3beta....smooth sailing.

[sassbarman]

A lot of solid changes here. Unit cards scaling horizontally uncluttering the screen, units and agents levelling up animation staying on campaign map and the improvements to the diplomacy screens are very welcome.

[Slaists]

Liking patch4beta. Lots of nice little items which just makes things easier. Now on "Household Expands", one can compare the current retainer with the newly available one, instead of trying to remember who was with that general. The province list mouse-scrolls again.

Trade does seem to come a bit easier now. I'm not sure if that's the patch, or the fact that I'm now playing Pontus which has a nice diplo boost with Hellenic states (as opposed to my prior Junii Romans whom everyone instinctively hates).

Haven't yet had a chance yet to take over enemy towns to see if they're building them any smarter. I did just fight an AI army which seemed well loaded with as high-quality troops as they could reasonably have available at this game stage...although again I don't know if that's the patch or not.

Best of all, seeing none of the glitchiness which seemed to plague many of us with the introduction of patch3beta....smooth sailing.

Patch IV beta. Patch notes say the AI is now prioritizing military buildup. I am playing as Macedonia (fresh start, VH) and took Apollonia from Epirus. They had two barracks buildings there... Food shortage would have been imminent for them.

[Spoonska]

Deployed agents on the campaign map, no longer reset back to being un-deployed when they level up.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

They just took it to a ..whole...notha........level

[Jarmam]

These patches show great potential for Rome 2. Sure, one can harp about a great many of these issues being unfixed at release (which is perfectly justified), but the direction and scope of each patch gives me genuine hope for a truly awesome campaign once Seleucid is released.

And if this bleeds into multiplayer, which I know nothing of, this could go on to be an epic game.

[Hooahguy]

I played a few turns with the patch 4 beta and I already see more infantry/cavalry heavy armies and fewer slingers. For example, I took this from my current Suebi campaign:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

This Roman army, as you can tell, has an excellent makeup, in my opinion.

Though they do need to get better at managing their food supplies.

[CaptainCrunch]

Patch IV beta. Patch notes say the AI is now prioritizing military buildup. I am playing as Macedonia (fresh start, VH) and took Apollonia from Epirus. They had two barracks buildings there... Food shortage would have been imminent for them.

This is exactly what I was afraid of when I read the notes. I think this type of re-balancing really needs time to be play-tested thoroughly before being implemented, or the campaign AI may end up being constantly broke and require scripted cheats to stay competitive like in RTW.

The rest of the changes are awesome improvements

[Sp4]

A lot of solid changes here. Unit cards scaling horizontally uncluttering the screen, units and agents levelling up animation staying on campaign map and the improvements to the diplomacy screens are very welcome.

I have not really seen any of this unit card scaling.

[sassbarman]

I have not really seen any of this unit card scaling.

Im just going by the patch notes. I haven't had a chance to try it out yet but I hope it's better because it annoyed the hell out me.

[sassbarman]

Deployed agents on the campaign map, no longer reset back to being un-deployed when they level up.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

They just took it to a ..whole...notha........level

Fully agree!!!!!!!

[Alcibiade]

IMO the game is getting better wit each patch ! But I've read so many posts on TWC or the official forum claiming the exact opposite that I'm beginning to ask myself if I'm completely blind or just too stupid to see their point...

Anyway, as I have two mods installed (close combat and no HDR) I'm a bit hesitant to install the patch 4 beta. Has anyone here had those CTD on start up caused by mods + patch 4 ?

[Hooahguy]

Ive had one CTD with the new patch, but Im not sure if the patch actually caused it. I pressed "end turn" while zoomed all the way out while using a "zoom out more" mod and I crashed. Then I reloaded, zoomed back in, and ended my turn and no CTD.

[Veho Nex]

How did the find that? Do people try these things out? I wonder if there is someone out there who tries playing this while doing a handstand.

-E- I did a 'little test' and now everyone trades with me, even people who hate me XD

Actually that little bug is pretty easy to find out. A lot of times the AI, at least in my campaign game, would assassinate whatever general i had closest to the front lines and then DoW me. About 60% of the time I froze.

[sassbarman]

IMO the game is getting better wit each patch ! But I've read so many posts on TWC or the official forum claiming the exact opposite that I'm beginning to ask myself if I'm completely blind or just too stupid to see their point...

Anyway, as I have two mods installed (close combat and no HDR) I'm a bit hesitant to install the patch 4 beta. Has anyone here had those CTD on start up caused by mods + patch 4 ?

The game for me at least is far better after the last couple of patches. The other forums tend to be a little more "animated" than on here so take about 80% of the reaction there with a grain of salt. Game still needs a ton of work especially siege AI but it's getting there.

[Sp4]

I have not really seen any of this unit card scaling.

Now I have seen it and.. woohoo! I am impressed :D