Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
But that's exactly what I pointed out myself
Edit: my words; Just to make you feel better, an overwhelming majority of the Dutch muslims (74%) thinks dutch muslims who pack up to fight are heroes. Can be be nuanced I suppose, as the questions asked are more about fighting against Assad rather than fighting for IS. But they can't have missed what IS actually does. Smileys are flying all over the internet about the beheaded journalist.
Last edited by Fragony; 08-21-2014 at 18:34.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
"And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman
“The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do.” - Warren Buffett
You imply otherwise.
You could have made the argument that 74% of dutch muslims oppose Assad, but you drew a rather different conclusion, mixing in ISIS without any justification.
Last edited by HoreTore; 08-21-2014 at 19:07.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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Yeah, I also got them...
Someone should just text him to let him know he is totally let back in.
Won't be me though.
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Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Hah, no. I realised it came across like that after you replied. I was more suggesting that Christianity would have played a big impact in his life, so it isn't a case of blank-slate atheism with no spiritual influence in the slightest. Raised from a strong religious environment myself, I am aware of how this would have affected him and shaped him as a person.
Unfortunately, he picked up the wrong lessons, seeing the churches influence on control and how to replicate it opposed to seeing the wrongs then overcoming them. He is an egomaniac afterall.
In many ways, I think he simply converted his faith into a new framework.
Last edited by Beskar; 08-21-2014 at 21:49.
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Stalin was raised in Tsarist Russia, a religious country like most of Europe at the time. However, like most of Europe, Tsarist Russia had pockets of radicalism. Most of these pockets were not pure, but roughly 50/50 religious/radical. Stalin grew up in one such pocket.
If anything, Stalins childhood was shaped by the tensions created between conservatives and radicals. He ultimately fell down on the radical side. That he went to a seminary isn't very important; educational choices were largely determined by the father of the household, who sent their kids off somewhere.
Lenin didn't really want to become a lawyer either.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Interesting you raise that. He was kicked out of his household for attending against his fathers wishes, because his mother encouraged him too. He could have experienced the divide as you stated it within his own household. His father being an alcoholic could have played in his dominant streak and the initial signing up could have been his wish, seeing the 'faithless' father being as abusive as he was.
Last edited by Beskar; 08-21-2014 at 22:14.
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"We are living in space-age times but there's too many of us thinking with stone-age minds" | How to spot a Humanist
"Men of Quality do not fear Equality." | "Belief doesn't change facts. Facts, if you are reasonable, should change your beliefs."
If the Kurds become "our" (USA or NATO or Europe) boots on the ground in this conflict -- and by that I mean taking the fight to ISIS and pushing them from Iraq etc. -- the Kurds have one well known price. Like many, I have received some PM missives from our Kurdish voice -- have any of you detected a lessening of his desire from an independent Kurdish homeland? I haven't
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You can do what we Brits did and promise them what they want, only to offer the land to an outside people as a romantic gesture just after the war is won. A Clinton declaration could declare that Iraq is to be the Babylonian homeland. Then you should stick around for a few decades while everyone fights everyone else, until you call it quits and leave, with a legacy of absolutely everyone in the region hating your guts.
Last edited by rvg; 08-22-2014 at 18:41.
"And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman
“The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do.” - Warren Buffett
On the Syrian front, I think it is interesting that some voices within the British establishment have come full circle, and suggestions have been made to support Assad against the rebels.
Former head of the Army Lord Dannatt and ex-Foreign Secretary Sir Malcolm Rifkind were the two that called for this, but the government doesn't look like backing it. Not yet anyway.
At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.
"The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -- H. L. Mencken
"And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman
“The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do.” - Warren Buffett
Must be the antics Tiaexz hinted at. Nothing but respect for the moderators for not giving a perma-ban. I don't mind sympatising with the nazi's all that much, I just think it's stupid. Freedom of speech should only be limited to calling for violence imho.
Respect for our moderaters =+1
Last edited by Fragony; 08-24-2014 at 06:37.
That is because they recognise ISIS as a bigger threat to general security than Assad. Perhaps they have also learnt that a secular strongman, however unpleasant, is better than the religious nutters.
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