Restless crowns: forging empires [Late era -Skip a few]

[Jiub]

Ppl calm your monkeys down.

Yuonyuon, when Invicta attacked you, you went ahead and said that Invicta's reasons for attacking you were unfounded and that he shouldn't be allowed to attack you. Well U invoked an admin power on a false basis. He DID have good reason to attack you and you proved that when you attacked the Moors the very next turn.

You can't expect to tell the admin that Invicta abused being a sub and declared war without basis and force him not to attack then go right on to prove that the reason invoked was a lie. Does anyone get that ? Cos it's pretty straight forward.

You don't have to be a genius to spot what is wrong in what happened.

Now everyone stop this drama and play, Myth and Nightbringer will deliberate and decide on the matter. I'm really not in the mood for this drama - won't answer/respond on the matter any further, I don't have the time or motivation to do it.

[Lord Luka]

I agree with Jiub.

Teutons up!

[yuonyuon]

Ppl calm your monkeys down.

Yuonyuon, when Invicta attacked you, you went ahead and said that Invicta's reasons for attacking you were unfounded and that he shouldn't be allowed to attack you. Well U invoked an admin power on a false basis. He DID have good reason to attack you and you proved that when you attacked the Moors the very next turn.

You can't expect to tell the admin that Invicta abused being a sub and declared war without basis and force him not to attack then go right on to prove that the reason invoked was a lie. Does anyone get that ? Cos it's pretty straight forward.

You don't have to be a genius to spot what is wrong in what happened.

Now everyone stop this drama and play, Myth and Nightbringer will deliberate and decide on the matter. I'm really not in the mood for this drama - won't answer/respond on the matter any further, I don't have the time or motivation to do it.

please delete this message , you are embarrassing yourself . like invicta once said , people don t tend to be very smart on these forums they get caught easily in the twist of words.

[Vipman]

Yuon stop it already, I'm tired sick of your attitude and everything you say and do.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/cj...C_Venice_5.rar

[Core-i7-inside]

It would be great if the coward fake emperor could stop hiding all his force behind the stupid forts, start fighting, and stop assassinating my spies ffs.
Norway next
https://www.mediafire.com/?gr5qwd6uasv3jh5

[Nightbringer]

Myth and Nightbringer will deliberate and decide on the matter.

Just to be clear, this is the decision on the matter.

I want to remind everyone that admin action is preferably called for in a PM. This is the best way to avoid drama. And I don't want drama on these forums.

Invicta, you can't threaten with admin actions because I and Nightbringer will decide if any actions at all are necessary. In this situation I see no apparent rule breaking. yuonyuon played a dirty diplomatic game and came on top. It's up to you and the rest of the players to make of it what you will and take actions in game.

He also seems to know you and he played the honour/integrity card, knowing you would accept the nap. It seems to me that this NAP was in Castille's best interests. IMO you or whomever else subbed the Moors should have made every effort to crush the Spanish as they are the aggressor. This attack was pretty obvious as they couldn't afford to sit around with all their armies as they didn't have enough income to sustain them.

I suggest that everyone cools it and continues playing. Backstabs happen, and this is a classic backstab. Also, I think that if a faction has to be subbed for more than 5 consecutive turns it's best to just hand it over to a new player or turn it AI. There is no point in such lengthily periods of subbing.

If everyone agrees to change a rule (let's say a fine of 1000 x the offending faction's number of settlements if a NAP is broken) then we can change the rule. I am a bit reluctant to issue out retroactive punishment, because this sets a precedent. If a rule is broken 40 turns into a game, then someone will remember another guy breaking it on turn 5. What are we to do then? IMO a rule is set and has to be followed from then on. If yuonyuon knew he would be fined thousands of gold maybe he wouldn't have attacked. This is a game of calculating risk vs reward.

If there is any confusion please post and we will clarify. If you have an objection, please send either myth or myself (or both) a PM, but do not post it here.

[sonnet]

@Vipman @Jiub @Makrell @Emproment @Gaius Octavius Caesar @ebs @yuonyuon @Core-i7-inside @Lord Luka @LooseCannon1

Since Dur3x left the HS (moreover yuonyuon doesn't want to sub the faction any more)
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053603356

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

i get a message from durex he didn t want to continue . the situation is awful . he didn t know who is facing with and this betrayal was too much . also i don t want to sub Egypt anymore , so i think he is already defeated without spies and not a even a stack(2 stacks was marching to help HRE near Rhodes) the main land . not even siege weapons . the war is lost . we can say that invicta wins this HS . congratulations !!!!

i m not a lair , everything i wrote there is true.

and since fatimids have lot of chances to survive (by either fighting or accepting peace),
I was looking for a replacement for the faction.
Tonno accepted to take over the faction, as Tonno wrote HRE has no chances to survive.
Same offer to switch faction was made previously to Emproment who was not interested.
I'll be subbing HRE until the end or a replacement is found (pls help me finding a replacement).
AFAIK Egypt had no official agreement (so no deal to be confirmed officially).
For unofficial deals contact him directly.
Pls everyone (including Tonno) should consider him as a new ruler (so forget what happened when he was
HRE ruler).

[Tonno]

It's not that it has "no chances" but they are pretty slim. Depends on moves of several people, and the final battle.

EDIT
And state your mind on me taking over new faction, if there are problems say it so we can deal with them.

[yuonyuon]

@Vipman @Jiub @Makrell @Emproment @Gaius Octavius Caesar @ebs @yuonyuon @Core-i7-inside @Lord Luka @LooseCannon1

Since Dur3x left the HS (moreover yuonyuon doesn't want to sub the faction any more)
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053603356

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

and since fatimids have lot of chances to survive (by either fighting or accepting peace),
I was looking for a replacement for the faction.
Tonno accepted to take over the faction, as Tonno wrote HRE has no chances to survive.
Same offer to switch faction was made previously to Emproment who was not interested.
I'll be subbing HRE until the end or a replacement is found (pls help me finding a replacement).
AFAIK Egypt had no official agreement (so no deal to be confirmed officially).
For unofficial deals contact him directly.
Pls everyone (including Tonno) should consider him as a new ruler (so forget what happened when he was
HRE ruler).

Im still in this HS ,i don t know how many turns from now on. lets wait to see if Durex post any message or i might sub , since i know what a crappy recovery i tried there .. even i m totally dessapointed about some things . @Vipman @Jiub don t bother answering or read my post , there is a situation between my and invicta and the admin was clear about this

[sonnet]

Im still in this HS ,i don t know how many turns from now on. lets wait to see if Durex post any message or i might sub , since i know what a crappy recovery i tried there .. even i m totally dessapointed about some things . @Vipman @Jiub don t bother answering or read my post , there is a situation between my and invicta and the admin was clear about this

Read well: I didn't say you're not in the HS. I simply reported what you wrote: that you don't want to sub Egypt anymore.
And you wrote that Dur3x is out. This is your post:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053603356
And dur3x could have played his turn but he refused, as he didn't give any explanation.
I'm on holiday, and I have lost considerable time looking for alternative subbers or replacement. I'm tired of going behind your continuous change of mind. This is not Dc Phil show , and I'm not a mind reader.
If you say something say because you mean it. You said you don't want sub Egypt and I have been looking for replacement (something you should've done). If you changed once more your mind, that's your problem, I won't keep wasting time like that.

And pls @yuonyuon pass Tonno Egypt's pswd

[yuonyuon]

Read well: I didn't say you're not in the HS. I simply reported what you wrote: that you don't want to sub Egypt anymore.
And you wrote that Dur3x is out. This is your post:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053603356
And dur3x could have played his turn but he refused, as he didn't give any explanation.
I'm on holiday, and I have lost considerable time looking for alternative subbers or replacement. I'm tired of going behind your continuous change of mind. This is not Dc Phil show , and I'm not a mind reader.
If you say something say because you mean it. You said you don't want sub Egypt and I have been looking for replacement (something you should've done). If you changed once more your mind, that's your problem, I won't keep wasting time like that.

And pls @yuonyuon pass Tonno Egypt's pswd

i don t want to ruin this HS ether , so you always have to blame me . so if i want to sub Egypt again to help you(me) that is a bad thing ?
i still wait word from Durex , or i will sub . when i said something and i didn t ? again jiub and vipman don t answer my posts

[LooseCannon1]

My last PM from Dur3x (sent to me 28 hours ago) leads me to believe that he is NOT planning on quitting right now. Is his message to yuonyuon newer than that? We really need Dur3x to post here in public if he is quitting. Then we can talk about a replacement player. I also believe that no one should be subbing any more turns from now on, except for the official subber. Forcing a rushed turn just to keep to a schedule has led to too much BS being posted around. This was supposed to be fun but all the bickering is taking the fun out. Monday is basicall an "off" day. We can use that time to pick up the pace or return to the schedule.

[sonnet]

My last PM from Dur3x (sent to me 28 hours ago) leads me to believe that he is NOT planning on quitting right now.

@LooseCannon1
Dur3x should tell that to me, since I'm responsible for finding new players.
He missed his turn, despite being online during his hours, and didn't say anything.
Even without considering the personal insults, both in the thread and via pm, the lack of respect in not sending any warning about not playing his turn or justifying why he didn't play is not acceptable.
This is not a Hotel in which people get in or leave without leaving any explanation.

I'm the butler of no one, and I expect the same respect I give to the others. This lack of respect ends here and now.
And dur3x has no more than 12 hrs to show up, confirm that he's playing and apologizing publicly for the insults he addressed me.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053603182
Otherwise I have no interest in playing with non-mature and uncivil players.
Personal insult as by the rules (and there would be not need for a rule like that as respect is fundamental) are not tolerated and calling one "jerk"(via pm) or "shit with 2 eyes" in his post, is not tolerable.
My patience has a limit too.

[Gaius Octavius Caesar]

Aarhus and Roskilde were captured this season.


Kiev up!
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwjO...NBQzZnc2c/edit

[yuonyuon]

@LooseCannon1
Dur3x should tell that to me, since I'm responsible for finding new players.
He missed his turn, despite being online during his hours, and didn't say anything.
Even without considering the personal insults, both in the thread and via pm, the lack of respect in not sending any warning about not playing his turn or justifying why he didn't play is not acceptable.
This is not a Hotel in which people get in or leave without leaving any explanation.

I'm the butler of no one, and I expect the same respect I give to the others. This lack of respect ends here and now.
And dur3x has no more than 12 hrs to show up, confirm that he's playing and apologizing publicly for the insults he addressed me.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053603182
Otherwise I have no interest in playing with non-mature and uncivil players.
Personal insult as by the rules (and there would be not need for a rule like that as respect is fundamental) are not tolerated and calling one "jerk"(via pm) or "shit with 2 eyes" in his post, is not tolerable.
My patience has a limit too.

Are you going to stop already .Durex was subbed by his subber that was ME . what is your problem ? the turns was played on schedule , everything was perfect even if i had to talk with Legourou for an extra time and he accepted .

and about insult i m totally agree with you , but don t make false affirmations that he was online and he didn t want to play(maybe he was on mobile ) . the rules was respected on time .

PM the admin about the insult like you have to do . and he will get his fine

after i finish my Castile turn i talked with him on skype and he said he didn t want to continue after your actions .yesterday again i told him to stay in this HS and he said he want s to see his turn , but better will be to post in here .

i still have to remember you that you are a player not an admin

[sonnet]

Are you going to stop already .Durex was subbed by his subber that was ME . what is your problem ? the turns was played on schedule , everything was perfect even if i had to talk with Legourou for an extra time and he accepted .

Being subbed on time it's not an excuse. He was online, if he can't play the least he can do is to warn me or his subber (and you confirmed he didn't warn you) or justify himself when he's back about why he didn't play and when he'll be back. Every other players does that.

and about insult i m totally agree with you , but don t make false affirmations that he was online and he didn t want to play(maybe he was on mobile ) . the rules was respected on time .

PM the admin about the insult like you have to do . and he will get his fine

I don't even know if you're serious or not.
It's not like "ok I insulted you, report me to the admin and I'll get a fine of 5k or whatever". And then maybe you or someone else does the same (to whoever) thinking ok
I'll get my fine. There's no fine for insulting. Deep and serious apologies is the only way to amend.

.yesterday again i told him to stay in this HS and he said he want s to see his turn , but better will be to post in here

.
I think you don't get it at all:
he won't see any turn, if he doesn't confirm he'll be playing.
You (means not you but everybody) either play it until the end no matter what or you can leave it now.
Bad loser , who leaves when things get though or difficult, are not accepted. I don't need and I'm tired of players that enjoy the HS only when winning and leaves when things don't go their way.
If he wants to play, then he'll have to say that now.

i still have to remember you that you are a player not an admin

About the insults: no , in case like this , is something I decide on my own initiative.
Personal insults is something on which I decide and no one else and I absolutely do not tolerate.
External admins are about the rules.
In the previous HS, despite not being the main admin (under the sky, in which the admin was Jiub), Desley was kicked out by me when insulting Tonno about his religion (as he refused to apologize).
And other cases like that. Because like I said, there's a line to draw, when it comes to be respectful.
He has to apologize if he wants to continue. Otherwise, either majority approve kicking him out or I'm out.
Actually I don't even care if I'm the admin, the manager of the HS or a simple player: I won't play in a HS in which players can freely offend.
Criticizing a player is a thing, insulting is another .

[yuonyuon]

Being subbed on time it's not an excuse. He was online, if he can't play the least he can do is to warn me or his subber (and you confirmed he didn't warn you) or justify himself when he's back about why he didn't play and when he'll be back. Every other players does that.



I don't even know if you're serious or not.
It's not like "ok I insulted you, report me to the admin and I'll get a fine of 5k or whatever". And then maybe you or someone else does the same (to whoever) thinking ok
I'll get my fine. There's no fine for insulting. Deep and serious apologies is the only way to amend.

.
I think you don't get it at all:
he won't see any turn, if he doesn't confirm he'll be playing.
You (means not you but everybody) either play it until the end no matter what or you can leave it now.
Bad loser , who leaves when things get though or difficult, are not accepted. I don't need and I'm tired of players that enjoy the HS only when winning and leaves when things don't go their way.
If he wants to play, then he'll have to say that now.


About the insults: no , in case like this , is something I decide on my own initiative.
Personal insults is something on which I decide and no one else and I absolutely do not tolerate.
External admins are about the rules.
In the previous HS, despite not being the main admin (under the sky, in which the admin was Jiub), Desley was kicked out by me when insulting Tonno about his religion (as he refused to apologize).
And other cases like that. Because like I said, there's a line to draw, when it comes to be respectful.
He has to apologize if he wants to continue. Otherwise, either majority approve kicking him out or I'm out.
Actually I don't even care if I'm the admin, the manager of the HS or a simple player: I won't play in a HS in which players can freely offend.
Criticizing a player is a thing, insulting is another .

Ok i m not mad anymore , seems that i have to agree with the most of your opinion here because is not affecting my gameplay. no seriously i really can t make my point of view here . and i was a misunderstanding here between us . also i don t understand why you are so mad on your enemies from the game. why you get everything so personally(not talking about insults here). you know me i play to the end .
also i have to apologize .looks like i upset too many these days , also i was very disappointed.

lets continue.

[sonnet]

you know me i play to the end .
.

I wasn't clear: when I wrote 'you' I meant in general. And I was referring to the fact that Dur3x needs to see his turn before playing.
If he wants to play, he doesn't need to see his turn before deciding that, because he'll have to play his faction until the end (so no matter what condition is).

[Makrell]

Moors are up

[Myth]

Just to clarify: personal insults, especially those containing George Carlin's 7 words you can't say on tv, will be dealt with on a case by case basis by .org moderator staff. I am in favour of warning via PM first. But strike 2 is an infraction. This has nothing to do with a hotseat and everything to do with the .org rules as a community. Don't expect to be able to talk smack in the forums and get away with it because you will be fined gold in-game. The two things are not related. Likewise, in-game punishment will not be issued because of forum drama.

[ebs]

Peace with Castilia.

Next @LooseCannon1 : http://www.mediafire.com/download/z2...Persians_5.sav

[LooseCannon1]

Misdirections. Distortions. Half-truths. Lies

Everything spoken by the Seljuk Sultan can be classified as one of these. The veil of deceit has finally been pierced and will never be used against us again. His acts of war against peaceful neighbors has forced us to act.

[sonnet]

@LooseCannon1 : I imagined already you wouldn't have supported me really last turn , but I was in doubt about where you hid your army. But this attack convinced me, that I made the right decision, as sooner or later I would have been ganged by the 2 of you.

As Dur3x didn't show up, hen @Tonno can take the faction. @Tonno don't sub me, as by taking Egypt you might be my enemy.

I should be able to post my turn before Egypt's turn comes up (15:00 in London)

[Jiub]

I think that the Turks pass should be changed, Egypt also. Obviously the two need to re-check their subbers either confirming or reassigning them. ;)

[sonnet]

I think that the Turks pass should be changed, Egypt also. Obviously the two need to re-check their subbers either confirming or reassigning them. ;)

I sent now a pm to Myth and Nightbringer to change pswd so that they can post a new Turks save with both pswd changed.
Yes subbers will have to be renamed for us. But we can sort out that in the next few days.

[yuonyuon]

I sent now a pm to Myth and Nightbringer to change pswd so that they can post a new Turks save with both pswd changed.
Yes subbers will have to be renamed for us. But we can sort out that in the next few days.

Egypt have already a subber . i m taking to admin too.

[sonnet]

Egypt have already a subber . i m taking to admin too.

If Tonno has not problem with you as subber, then i have no problem either.
But your eagerness of willing having the Egypt pswd so bad raise some concerns to me, considering that, you up to now used to load Egypt's save with no problem while you shouldn't have. So lets be clear since you seems a bit confused:
Egypt is not your faction, and you don't decide anything about it. You have your faction and that is Castille. And subbing is a favor you do only when requested.

[yuonyuon]

If Tonno has not problem with you as subber, then i have no problem either.
But your eagerness of willing having the Egypt pswd so bad raise some concerns to me, considering that, you up to now used to load Egypt's save with no problem while you shouldn't have. So lets be clear since you seems a bit confused:
Egypt is not your faction, and you don't decide anything about it. You have your faction and that is Castille. And subbing is a favor you do only when requested.

no more fights in here, i already send some PM s to admin.

I M THE SUBBER OF EGYPT AND I M AVAILABLE ONLY ADMIN CAN CHANGE THAT , THIS IS OUT OF CHARACTER, my job is to subb egypt when the real player is missing , and tonno is already playing in this HS so he can t play both HRE and egypt.

And pls @yuonyuon pass Tonno Egypt's pswd

i can t do that since he already play with HRE and he know your password and if i give Egypt password , why do we need passwords after all . you going to know your enemy password .

I'll be subbing HRE until the end or a replacement is found (pls help me finding a replacement).

Don t tell me you going to take HRE to Like you said . because i have the equal right to take Egypt too.

lets just play fair . i m just very desapointed that i m the only one that i understand and post this.

[sonnet]

no more fights in here, i already send some PM s to admin.

I M THE SUBBER OF EGYPT AND I M AVAILABLE ONLY ADMIN CAN CHANGE THAT , THIS IS OUT OF CHARACTER, my job is to subb egypt when the real player is missing , and tonno is already playing in this HS so he can t play both HRE and egypt.

lets just play fair . i m just very desapointed that i m the only one that i understand and post this.

Tonno will switch faction. HRE has less chances of surviving while Fatimid has plenty of them.
Dur3x didn't show up, so there's no real player anymore. If Tono is willing to trust you, after you misused Egypt's password, then it's fine by me and he can name you his subber.
We did the same, with Stouff in BdT (in which he switched from Scotland to HRE and from HRE to Castille while HRE was still alive), in which you played it too (and you showed no concerns then).

And no, subbers and players is something I manage. If you bothered to read what I write for once, you would have known.

Don t tell me you going to take HRE to Like you said . because i have the equal right to take Egypt too.

And here you showed what you intend for subbing and why you want to do that. Subbing is not a right. Is a favor we make to each other.
The one disappointed is me, since you have misused Egypt password for your benefit and you think you have the right to manage Egypt for your gain. I'm not subbing HRE to get any gain.
Just to show the difference between you and me: Ebs asked me to be his official subber before the HS started (while I was already HRE subber)
And I refused, because I was already the subber of HRE and I have no pleasure in subbing others as neither hold someone's else pswd.

Egypt need a player to make decisions , and only the player can do that.

[dur3x]

I will continue. No one will change the password. My password, my faction, my precious !!!