Speaking of Israel...

**Seamus Fermanagh** · 02-26-2015, 15:15

Originally Posted by Kralizec

...In any case, it's hard to see why Palestinians should pay for the policies of their Arab neighbours.

Well, remember that my comment was geared towards reminding Frags that, whatever the justification, Israel could not really be thought of as unwilling to "grab" land.

However, to point out one connection, many Palestinian Arabs vacated properties at the urging of their neighboring Arab states to get out of the line of fire while Israel was swept into the sea. The "right of return" concept, stemming from that time, has been and continues to be one of the issues entwined in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Whether or not this is a justifiable "why Palestinians should pay" often depends on the perspective of the assessor.

**Hooahguy** · 03-03-2015, 21:40

So King Bibi, as some Israelis call him, paid a visit to Washington today. Currently in a rather long argument on Facebook after I had the audacity to say that Bibi does not speak for me (as a Jew).
Anyone eager to jump in and have their say just send a PM! Havent seen a rabid Israel debate like this for a long long time.

**Don Corleone** · 03-03-2015, 23:40

It's too bad more right-wing Israelis can't see how much this is hurting them. I have some friends in Israel who are on the right (some on the left too), and they were thrilled... Bibi's going to tell it like it is...

Everybody knows Iran wants the bomb... the question is... how the

do you stop them from getting it... when India, Pakistan and hell... North Korea (after a fashion) already have it. Hell, the Russians would LOVE to give it to them.

There's no effective way of guaranteeing Iran doesn't achieve nuclear capability without continually destroying their infrastructure and blockading all traffic in and out. Not feasible.

Better to try to control the conditions under which they enter the playing field and make them responsible parties at the table right up front. Make sure they know that these things have signatures and if Hamas lets a dirty bomb off in a Tel Aviv bus depot, there's an ICBM coming straight for Tehran.

What's more... does Israel really want to reduce its chances to Republicans having an upper hand in Congress? Getting Israel's defense sucked into our quaqumire was a big mistake by Bibi, IMHO.

**Greyblades** · 03-04-2015, 00:30

There are country specific nuclear signatures?

**Papewaio** · 03-04-2015, 00:46

Originally Posted by Hooahguy

So King Bibi, as some Israelis call him, paid a visit to Washington today. Currently in a rather long argument on Facebook after I had the audacity to say that Bibi does not speak for me (as a Jew).
Anyone eager to jump in and have their say just send a PM! Havent seen a rabid Israel debate like this for a long long time.

Even if you are a card carrying member of their party and voted for them, the sign of a good democracy is when you say your PM or President doesn't speak for you.

**Hooahguy** · 03-04-2015, 01:32

Originally Posted by Greyblades

There are country specific nuclear signatures?

Not that I know of, but even the best always leave a trail. There will always be crumbs to follow.

**Don Corleone** · 03-04-2015, 02:42

Originally Posted by Greyblades

There are country specific nuclear signatures?

Not country specific, but I think they can trace the isotopes and therefore the refining sourcce.

**Seamus Fermanagh** · 03-06-2015, 15:14

Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Not country specific, but I think they can trace the isotopes and therefore the refining sourcce.

Correct. So spot on correct he had to post it twice.

They can literally trace it by reactor and time batch based on slight variances in the trace isotopes.

**Papewaio** · 03-11-2015, 03:07

Isotope signatures are so good that we could tell the lead sources in fuel found in ice core samples. Leaded fuel in petrol would be burnt and then would release into the atmosphere where it got carried around the globe. The lead would then be deposited everywhere and captured in layers of snow, year on year much like tree rings. The method is so comprehensive, you can even tell which mine the Romans were using in the ice core samples from 2000 years ago.

For nuclear facilities there are the raw product (mine dependent) and then it is processed the ratios of the produced product change but generally in a way that can be traced.

On top of this when a nuclear weapon is set off they cause the earth to ring like a bell. Each one has a different ring tone if you will and you can tell how deep it is, the yield and if it was a chemical or nuclear explosive. That's how they verify North Korea's paltry efforts.

**Hooahguy** · 03-18-2015, 04:34

Well, looks like Netanyahu won re-election. Again.

Though I am looking forward to seeing how badly he can muck up US-Israeli relations in the coming couple of years.

After all, he did publicly announce that he no longer supports the creation of a Palestinian state, so I can only imagine how well that will go over.