Faster Than Light

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Choxorn

Because spaceman is obviously lack claire after that murder.

Also, spaceman is totally on board with lynching choxorn, right spaceman?

[Zack]

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

Editing a post with a vote in it?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Honest mistake.

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   Because spaceman is obviously lack claire after that murder.
   
   
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   Also, spaceman is totally on board with lynching choxorn, right spaceman?
   

[El Barto]

Dang them timers!

but, but...

This will end with me being appointed captain and then lynched.

I didn't even get that far.

[spaceman98]

Vote: Choxorn

Because spaceman is obviously lack claire after that murder.

Also, spaceman is totally on board with lynching choxorn, right spaceman?

Why? You criticized the edse wagon for lack of reasoning, now your pushing your own for equally lacking reasoning.

For now, I'll stay on Darth Feather, a bad case is better than no case.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You want to lynch Darth Feather because he put his signature line back after removing it.

You're never going to pretend to be a villager this game, so I don't think I need to wait for you to either give more information or somehow exonerate yourself.

Unvote, vote: Spaceman98

[Zack]

For now, I'll stay on Darth Feather, a bad case is better than no case.

Why? You criticized the edse wagon for lack of reasoning, now your pushing your own for equally lacking reasoning.

Are you talking to ATPG or yourself?

[Choxorn]

obviously lack claire

I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that phase, can you explain it?

And use small words, so I'm sure to understand. I'm a bit of a warthog-faced buffoon.

[Askthepizzaguy]

2. Choxorn
3. Riedquat
4. Zack
5. Sprig
6. Montmorency
7. Spaceman98
8. Kagemusha
9. Darth Feather
10. Askthepizzaguy
12. Jarema

*mumble mumble mumble*

Okay, I think I can assemble a group of actual townies out of:

Kagemusha
Riedquat
Jarema

I choose you. Back me up.

[spaceman98]

You want to lynch Darth Feather because he put his signature line back after removing it.

You're never going to pretend to be a villager this game, so I don't think I need to wait for you to either give more information or somehow exonerate yourself.

Unvote, vote: Spaceman98

and if I just followed your lead and voted choxorn I would be villager? Ok then. Also, we're crew on a spaceship, not villagers!

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that phase, can you explain it?

And use small words, so I'm sure to understand. I'm a bit of a warthog-faced buffoon.

Means lock clear, it's a 2+2 term I'll be enjoying in a month or so.

Either you killed the deceased or are being framed. I'm willing to look elsewhere besides you, but I don't have a lot of confidence in your villageriness as of yet.

[Zack]

and if I just followed your lead and voted choxorn I would be villager? Ok then. Also, we're crew on a spaceship, not villagers!

And I'm the captain! Back ME up!

[Zack]

How is Chalk Zorn being framed?

[Askthepizzaguy]

How is Chalk Zorn being framed?

I think I inverted choxorn and spaceman's identities in my brain when writing that post.

Yesterday I found both scummy, given the vote tally, and who got lynched, and who got murdered, it looks (level one) like spaceman is guilty and his mates lynched one of his accusers, then they murdered one of his accusers.

Level two is that they did that, but he's innocent, to make it appear like he's guilty.

And since I found both scummy, I applied the spaceman logic to choxorn, probably because I still think they're teammates. But otherwise, brain fart.

The murder may not be significant at all, but two of the spaceman wagon are gone and I'm not mafia, leading me to believe it was.

[Askthepizzaguy]

and if I just followed your lead and voted choxorn I would be villager? Ok then.

No, but it would have at least indicated a willingness to throw choxorn under the bus. As it stands, I now believe there is some reason you'll never vote there. Which is not villagery to me.

Either he's guilty and thus, you'd rather not lynch him, or he's innocent and it makes you look good to resist his lynch.

I don't see a town motivation for your desire to lynch DF, or a town reason to be so hesitant to vote choxorn.

[Askthepizzaguy]

PS I peeked at my role PM. I had to know whether or not to celebrate edse's passing.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Also PS- If they're not teammates, I'm having trouble seeing why you switched to edse yesterday, Zack.

So, if you don't agree there's scum fingerprints all over the edse wagon yesterday, I'm going to switch to you instead, o Captain my Captain.

LOL I forgot you didn't even switch, that was your original vote.

I'm doing good. Got all my logic trains in a row today.

[spaceman98]

One more thing to say for me, regarding my early game philosophy (and my apparent talent for getting lynched day 1-2):

When the game begins, no one except the mafia have any information, and its not in the mafia's interests to show that they have any information. This means that the most rational strategy for the first voter, regardless of alignment, is to vote randomly. A truly random vote carries 0 information. Thus, the most rational strategy for the second voter, regardless of alignment is to vote randomly. So on. Statistically, the first day lynch is most likely to be villager. This carries no information, as (assuming perfectly rational players) mafia and townies voted randomly. Thus, on day 2, the most rational vote for the first person regardless of alignment is to vote randomly. The only time its rational for mafia to vote non-randomly is when another mafia is on the ropes. This is unlikely to occur. Ergo, barring lucky night power roles, mafia probably wins assuming everyone plays rationally.

Obviously, for town, this is an unsatisfactory result. Thus, as townie, someone has to proverbially "throw the first stone", and make an accusation that is a very weak case. This will force discussion, force non-random voting patterns, and possibly cause the mafia to align themselves in some way that is non-random. This is also more interesting than the purely rational game of RNG votes until a mafia is hit. However, this "throwing of the first stone" is by definition an irrational action, that claims a pattern in random noise where none exists. Nonetheless, it is a pro-town action, by virtue of the non-random voting patterns it elicits.

Enough about me though.

Pizza's assertion yesterday that the edse wagon was bad was frankly an exercise in stating the obvious. Of course it was bad. Of course my case on Darth Feather is bad. It is just as inane for me to claim that the wagon on me was bad, and there was no reason to suspect Choxorn. There were no good cases at the time that post was made, so pointing out that existing cases were bad was hardly an insight. And surprise surprise, you turned out to be right! Edse was town! Bravo statistics!

Of course, now we have non-random voting patterns. You've voted choxorn twice, today and yesterday. Both times you've switched onto me. I've voted Darth Feather twice, today and yesterday, etc. We have something to work with. We have it in part because I made a bad case on Darth Feather and people responded. We have it in part because people made a bad edse wagon, and others responded, etc.

So, how was choxorn framed, and how did you know this before night 1 even started?

Also, I don't think I've ever seen mafia following a strategy of "kill those who vote for them day 1". After all, since most of those votes were random, why would I expect any of them to return to me day 2?

Also, why choxorn specifically? Monty, Zack and DF were also on the edse lynch.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ooo text. Let me read. I was this close to closing up shop and going to bed, given how clearly exhausted my brain is.

[spaceman98]

Sprig was also on the edse lynch, why not him? etc.

[Zack]

Choxorn was last on the wagon and clinched edse's lynch over yours, assumedly that's why pizza thinks you're teammates.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Words

Read, but not needed to address.

So, how was choxorn framed, and how did you know this before night 1 even started?

Addressed already.

Also, I don't think I've ever seen mafia following a strategy of "kill those who vote for them day 1". After all, since most of those votes were random, why would I expect any of them to return to me day 2?

That wasn't a random collection of votes. You don't usually get five people in agreement on day one in such a small game for no reason.

And the 'reasons' on edse were not there. It wasn't random.

Also, why choxorn specifically? Monty, Zack and DF were also on the edse lynch.

Zack I'm addressing separately.

You want DF lynched, so I intend to oppose that action for now. DF was also joke voting for edse early. The later votes on edse are the ones which concern me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sprig was also on the edse lynch, why not him? etc.

I already pointed at Sprig's entrance to the game as being not villagery.

Priorities. I don't have four lynch votes.

[Zack]

Just like mafia game in the east all over again!

Edit: ninja'd

[Askthepizzaguy]

Just like mafia game in the east all over again!

Edit: ninja'd

I missed that entire game, what's happening now that's comparable?

[Zack]

I imagine the actual reason was that edse was scum in the last game, pizza. Easily more uniting than anything else on day 1.

[Zack]

I missed that entire game, what's happening now that's comparable?

Choxorn saved someone (kennigit) from being lynched day one. Next day I vehemently defended choxorn and pressed for a Kenny lynch, and chox ended up being town after all even though ken did turn out to be scum.

The main difference this time is that I see no reason to defend choxorn.

[spaceman98]

Read, but not needed to address.



Addressed already.



That wasn't a random collection of votes. You don't usually get five people in agreement on day one in such a small game for no reason.

And the 'reasons' on edse were not there. It wasn't random.



Zack I'm addressing separately.

You want DF lynched, so I intend to oppose that action for now. DF was also joke voting for edse early. The later votes on edse are the ones which concern me.

If edse was lynched for no reason, edse was lynched randomly. Ergo, by your logic, 5 people voting edse is baseless, while 4 people voting for me is entirely reasonable.

[spaceman98]

Also, would choxorn like to say anything about all this? You've been rather silent in our QT scumbuddy, if you don't show up I might have to bus you!

[Askthepizzaguy]

I imagine the actual reason was that edse was scum in the last game, pizza. Easily more uniting than anything else on day 1.

And your feelings on these players- monty, Sprig, DF, choxorn

Who is villagery or scummy in this group?