48 hours or so from day break.
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48 hours or so from day break.
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Votes on Beskar:
Landlubber pops into thread and says Beskar is his only scum read.
Then Csargo makes a well-thought out vote post...
And Hankerchief self preservations.
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This post stands out to me, I dunno.
@landlubber Why do you think Csargo was the NK?
Here are Al's posts.
To me, it seems like he's moving his vote around a little too much compared to the number of posts he's making and what he's saying. First he makes a sort of jokey vote, than he OMGUS's, then votes Cass because she hasn't voted enough. I just don't really see much mental transition between these and it kinda feels like he doesn't care much if any of them die.
Vote:Al Sipsclar
*Mindmelds*
I agree 100% (and some extra) with Cuth's 182 and 183.
I read the El Borto vote as a joke post:
I'll grant that it could be opportunistic, however gut says it's less likely to be scummy since once the game really got going he moved it off onto Al Sips.
I agree with the vote and his reasoning seems sound enough to me, even if it was worded really roundabout (I read that as deliberate).
The other two posts from edse were explaining the vote on El Barto and answering Scarlett's questionnaire.
I can't read the tone of these enough to tell if they're significant or null. I generally have problems with these types of questionnaires because they're so easy to sidestep as scum and often get used to paint townfolk as scummy.
@Winston
I get what you're saying about activity being low and at a push can understand contrived BUT my overall take on it is that there are other players who have posted much less than edse, and others still who have made votes on more towny looking candidates with weaker reasons. Right now I'd put Edse as effectively null, maybe Town and I probably wouldn't vote here just yet.
Could you elaborate on your thoughts more for me please? As they are, the points are very broad and there's very little to go on to help decide if your motivation is more likely Town or Scum.
1. What makes the vote on El Barto more opportunistic than jokey?
2. Why do you say the vote on Al Sips 'isn't bad' / How are you reading Al Sips?
3. How are you currently reading Edse and why did you pick him out to ISO?
vote: Edse. Lets create some pressure here
I agree self-preservation's not super pingy in itself. But it ended with a dead Towny and there were several other players GH could have moved his vote to, so at this point I'm not necessarily buying that the only motive was 'self-preservation'. I'd like to hear more from both Landlubber and GH today to see where they're coming from and help decide if the lynch was directly influenced by scum or not.
What are your current leans on each of them?
But it didn't seem like a super panicked vote. It was earlier on in the day, before he had as many votes. Of course it's not necessarily the only motive, but it seems fairly reasonable given the situation.
Landlubber pings me a bit scummy, not sure about GH. Lemme take a look.
He pops into thread and votes khaan, with whom I'm guessing there is some meta, and this should not be considered serious. @GeneralHandkerchief is that correct?
And then Beskar basically makes just as pointless of a vote at him. Not sure why he left his vote here all day.
khaan jokeOMGUSes.
And then the third vote is strange. "Putting him into contention"? But why, exactly? Is this really a good tactic? Let's put random people into contention rather than at least trying to hunt scum. @Raith Kemmler
El Barto then votes GH, forlittle reason again. Possibly deflecting pressure from himself.self-preservationating
And then khaan retracts the OMGUS and votes El barto.
this is interesting though. I'm worried about Raith's vote there.
Last edited by Cuthillius; 12-12-2015 at 19:13. Reason: fixing reason for el barto vote
Here are his other posts.
On how he'd approach closed game as scum/town. This is completely null.
This is silly, also null.
And here, a fair ways before deadline, he switches for self-pres, and then...
Which isn't also very alignmented.
Right now he's a null lean that needs a bit of paying attention to.
I agree with the summation. Al isn't inspiring much yet. But I'm hesitating to wagon here...
Yeah. Hopefully the questions helped Scarlett, but I'm just gonna ignore them for now. Too wooly.
Such as? Whose breathing air in the thread from your view?...and others still who have made votes on more towny looking candidates with weaker reasons.
I like some of the posting here, but this looks rather scummy personally. 'At least trying to hunt scum' is low hanging sophistry. Let's turn this around. Cuthillious, how do you bag mafia day 1? Is there some formula to it? My two best shots for that didn't look good, so I tried to build a wagon. That's not the greatest thing for getting someone, but it's a nice bit for analysis later once we've got some perspective. If the mafia has to then react-I'm sure we all know this, it's a common tactic.
There were 5 hours left, where was this all alleged hunting going to go? There wasn't a lot of activity to make me confident a new wagon would happen, and I didn't have good case for it anyway. We had a wide open field with a bunch of people with 2 votes. Apparently someone decided we should shoot the adorable dog. I had Beskar as a very weak town, so he wasn't getting my vote. Bart's floating, so I'm willing to watch and wait on that score. I'm not going to vote for myself, so that left you and GH as non content posters to latch onto, so I rolled the dice. Maybe I rolled wrong, I'm not sure. Depends on your response here. But it definitely wasn't arbitrary.
I can get not liking my push, though I'd argue someone has to do it. I can get not liking a post I made. I can get just thinking I feel scummy. But don't post that I somehow abdicated finding the mafia for the RNG when the town is 0/1 currently in a thread I've been moderately active in.
I'm gonna OMGUS, till I've looked around for a better lead or I'm convinced this is a bad vote.
Vote:Cuthilious
You could have looked at posts, or said "oh this person is posting scummy i'm going to vote for them". But instead you just voted one of the top wagons to "put it into contention".
But really? There were five hours left. That's quite a bit of time, and more than enough for votes to accumulate. You could have gone through the thread, isolated the person with the scummiest posts to you, typed out a reasonable argument for them, voted them, and at least made your opinion known. Would have been more useful.
Aaand that's not an OMGUS.
What stands out to you about that post?
Your guess is as good as mine about the Csargo kill. I just scanned over his posts, and he wasn't doing anything that would really catch my attention if he was scum. Maybe he was killed to focus attention on GH and me. It's also very possible that the scum decided to kill a gameroom veteran to give all the new players more time here.
I don't regret keeping my vote on Beskar. If I wanted to misdirect the town as mafia, I would behave pretty much how Beskar was behaving-- being dodgy without seeming dodgy. I still think that Beskar was a better lynch than most players would have been. My vote had nothing to do with saving GH.
Khaan and GH would save each other every time, they've got a strong OOC relationship. That's null. I'm not generally a fan of self-preservation, but it doesn't mean GH is scum. I'll take some time to think before I place a vote, but I don't think it's GH.
Pretty much all of the D1 voting on this forum is meta, unless something really out of the ordinary pops up. This injection of new blood has meant for a much faster paced D1 than I - and probably others - are used to, as evidenced by them mostly being the ones to lead discussion. Out of those that voted for me on D1, I didn't and don't consider any of their rationales for doing so suspicious.
As for khaan, I'm probably putting words in his mouth, but he's likely to save me on D1 when there's nothing to go off of, but he'd be more than willing to cut my throat midgame if he thinks I'm scum. Or if he flat-out doesn't have a read on me. Or if there's no good lynch candidate and he simply wants to troll. But by that time he's usually picked up a grudge against at least one other player in the game and will have tunnel vision on them, so who knows.
"I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
"Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
"I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
Mafia: Promoting peace and love since June 2006
Caught up and going to respond to quotes.
Also, @Cuthillius, I don't have an issue with Raith putting an additional vote on me to "put someone into contention", it was a good way to amp the pressure up and break the stalemate we'd had. No scum wants to be in the lead for voting on D1 and there would have been a decent enough chance of somebody slipping if we got lucky.
"I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
"Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
"I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
Mafia: Promoting peace and love since June 2006
Actually, here are my impressions of "baseline" behavior for the people that have played on the .Org before, for the benefit of our new players:
In order of inclusion in the game.
Jarema: Been a while, actually don't remember much. Know him more for hosting than playing. Great start with my baseline impressions, eh?
GeneralHankerchief: Should never ever ever be lynched under any circumstances.
Golden1Knight: Fairly new to all mafia IIRC. Established baseline from Pirate Ship III and The Inquisition is a low level of activity in thread, often without explanations for votes, but always willing to chip in for a night action. Has been town both games.
seireikhaan: Discussed above. Sometimes he puts on a persona schtick, sometimes not. Depends on his mood, really. Looks like he's playing this one straight-up. As mentioned, can sometimes get too focused on small-term objectives.
Zain: First game back in years. Forgive my memory.
landlubber: Putting The Inquisition to the side where he was inactive for RL reasons, usually has a helpful townie personality. Nothing about his behavior has twigged me so far.
edse: Was actually scum in The Inquisition (the most recent game before this one). Has had a tally ready to go in the past, moderate-to-low levels of activity in the thread.
Csargo: Dead.
Beskar: Dead.
El Barto: Likes to do his own thing. Took on a personality in Pirate Ship III focused on acquisition of gold above all else. Was town in Inquisition but refused to cooperate with any organizational efforts. He's been fine in my book. Through one day anyway.
Winston Hughes: Decent levels of activity but his posts are usually short and to the point. Will elaborate if pressed though.
Nightbringer: Got whacked with RL issues in The Inquisition so wasn't that active. Baseline in that game was a bit like Winston, though he's more prone to dropping in, casting his vote, and being done with the round.
autolycus: Usually blends in pretty well. Made it to the end of Pirate Ship III as mafia, only dying because he triggered a serial killer. Am actually interested to see how he responds if pressed.
johnhughthom: All but impossible to read. I'd call him the King of Apathy, but he doesn't care enough to battle for the crown. Terrifying for both sides if he makes it to the endgame.
"I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
"Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
"I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
Mafia: Promoting peace and love since June 2006
@Cuthillius you are Cuthalion right?
I always find Sips hard to read. He seems to be a favorite mislynch target, but I haven't played enough with him to be certain of my reads.
Yep. Who are you?
I suppose. I'd just prefer something more based on actual posting.
First game back in years, a mystery man of sorts
That being said, inactivity is both scummy and intriguing, therefore for the time being...
Vote: Nightbringer
Vote: Al Sipsclar
Raith seems a bit suspicious too.
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